Rank The Afc North Draft
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Homotron said:
Gipper the Steelers wouldn't have drafted Wallace in the 3rd round unless he graded in the 3rd round OR higher. Obviously not every pick pans out but I DO follow things closely as does my primary message board. The Browns reached on every pick after Richardson.
That is exactly what I feel about our draft. Also the thing that makes it more difficult for us than for them is that:
Steelers - Already have a good team filled with good players. They need to draft to replenish their aging talent. If any of their drafts are a bust, they have next year's draft to try again cos they already have starter quality in their roster and are searching for the future.
Browns - We need talent cos we have minimal. Hitting on our draft picks will help us become better and missing on our draft picks will mean a wasted year. It is more important for us to hit on our picks than the Steelers.
I think the Bengals had the best draft in the AFC North.
That is exactly what I feel about our draft. Also the thing that makes it more difficult for us than for them is that:
Steelers - Already have a good team filled with good players. They need to draft to replenish their aging talent. If any of their drafts are a bust, they have next year's draft to try again cos they already have starter quality in their roster and are searching for the future.
Browns - We need talent cos we have minimal. Hitting on our draft picks will help us become better and missing on our draft picks will mean a wasted year. It is more important for us to hit on our picks than the Steelers.
I think the Bengals had the best draft in the AFC North.
The Bengals also had a lot of picks but yes they did have a tremendous draft. It's the kind of draft the Browns SHOULD have had with 13 selections. I do think the Browns hit on some guys late, specifically Winn and Acho but Weeden, Schwartz and Hughes were head scratchers. I do think Schwartz will be a good pro but you don't pass on Martin AND Glenn if you're hell bent on going o-line but above all else you draft a DAMN receiver.
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In terms of attendance at 3 Rivers during the hieght of the Steelers ineptitude during the 1980's, with a design capacity of 59,492.
1985
vs. Indy 55,279
vs. Hou 58,782
vs. Cin 59,541
vs. StL 56,478
vs. Clev 51,976
vs. Wash 59,293
vs. Den 56,797
vs. Buff 35,953
1986
vs. Den 57,305
vs. Clev 57,327
vs. NE 54,743
vs. Cin 50,815
vs. GB 52,831
vs. Hou 49,724
vs. Det 45,042
vs. KC 47,150
1987
vs. SF 55,735
(players strike affected season, league attendance down afterwards)
vs. Indy 34,627
vs. Cin 53,692
vs. Hou 56,177
vs. NO 47,896
vs. Sea 48,881
vs. Clev 56,394
However, to my knowledge, even though attendance was down the stadium was sold out to capacity except immediately following the strike.
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ok...you've run your opinion into the ground. people tell you things, and you yuck it up. we didn't have a good draft because people that either were not good enough to be employed, or were fired in the NFL, said they had these people graded as such. since we took the players we wanted earlier, it wasn't a good draft. we get it....
it has nothing to do with how those picks addressed needs. its a subjective grade based on one's opinion of where a player went to where one thought he should have went. many times, people are wrong an grade lower to save face and maintain their pride....because they watch tape and think theyre a fucking expert.
"see, the writers at a nation newspaper, that focuses on US and world news, politics, money, life, and sports, think we had the best draft!"
so here ya go....
The sporting news, ya know...a dedicated sports media outlet
hmmm...browns....B+
stool....a B...
here's where you call it a rag, discredit the writer and completely miss the point.
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ok...you've run your opinion into the ground. people tell you things, and you yuck it up. we didn't have a good draft because people that either were not good enough to be employed, or were fired in the NFL, said they had these people graded as such. since we took the players we wanted earlier, it wasn't a good draft. we get it....
it has nothing to do with how those picks addressed needs. its a subjective grade based on one's opinion of where a player went to where one thought he should have went. many times, people are wrong an grade lower to save face and maintain their pride....because they watch tape and think theyre a fucking expert.
"see, the writers at a nation newspaper, that focuses on US and world news, politics, money, life, and sports, think we had the best draft!"
so here ya go....
The sporting news, ya know...a dedicated sports media outlet
hmmm...browns....B+
stool....a B...
here's where you call it a rag, discredit the writer and completely miss the point.
ok...you've run your opinion into the ground. people tell you things, and you yuck it up. we didn't have a good draft because people that either were not good enough to be employed, or were fired in the NFL, said they had these people graded as such. since we took the players we wanted earlier, it wasn't a good draft. we get it....
it has nothing to do with how those picks addressed needs. its a subjective grade based on one's opinion of where a player went to where one thought he should have went. many times, people are wrong an grade lower to save face and maintain their pride....because they watch tape and think theyre a fucking expert.
"see, the writers at a nation newspaper, that focuses on US and world news, politics, money, life, and sports, think we had the best draft!"
so here ya go....
The sporting news, ya know...a dedicated sports media outlet
hmmm...browns....B+
stool....a B...
here's where you call it a rag, discredit the writer and completely miss the point.
Why did you link last years draft? The Browns certainly had a solid draft last season. We're talking THIS years draft. *confused*
EDIT: Although even with last year the Steelers hit big with Gilbert, Heyward played well in his spot starts and the young corners were the first corners in a LONG TIME to get on the field as rookies. Both are expected to be big contributors this season. We also drafted much later. (IF! i had to make an argument lol
) The Browns just should have had a stronger draft with 13 packs. I certainly believe they're improved but they could be MUCH improved. YET the analysts/scouts aren't always right...we won't know until the players hit the field. -
ok...you've run your opinion into the ground. people tell you things, and you yuck it up. we didn't have a good draft because people that either were not good enough to be employed, or were fired in the NFL, said they had these people graded as such. since we took the players we wanted earlier, it wasn't a good draft. we get it....
it has nothing to do with how those picks addressed needs. its a subjective grade based on one's opinion of where a player went to where one thought he should have went. many times, people are wrong an grade lower to save face and maintain their pride....because they watch tape and think theyre a fucking expert.
"see, the writers at a nation newspaper, that focuses on US and world news, politics, money, life, and sports, think we had the best draft!"
so here ya go....
The sporting news, ya know...a dedicated sports media outlet
hmmm...browns....B+
stool....a B...
here's where you call it a rag, discredit the writer and completely miss the point.
Why did you link last years draft? The Browns certainly had a solid draft last season. We're talking THIS years draft. *confused*
EDIT: Although even with last year the Steelers hit big with Gilbert, Heyward played well in his spot starts and the young corners were the first corners in a LONG TIME to get on the field as rookies. Both are expected to be big contributors this season. We also drafted much later. (IF! i had to make an argument lol
) The Browns just should have had a stronger draft with 13 packs. I certainly believe they're improved but they could be MUCH improved. YET the analysts/scouts aren't always right...we won't know until the players hit the field.Homotron said:
Why did you link last years draft? The Browns certainly had a solid draft last season. We're talking THIS years draft. *confused*
EDIT: Although even with last year the Steelers hit big with Gilbert, Heyward played well in his spot starts and the young corners were the first corners in a LONG TIME to get on the field as rookies. Both are expected to be big contributors this season. We also drafted much later. (IF! i had to make an argument lol
) The Browns just should have had a stronger draft with 13 packs. I certainly believe they're improved but they could be MUCH improved. YET the analysts/scouts aren't always right...we won't know until the players hit the field.So? You are finally just now figuring it out?
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Homotron said:
Why did you link last years draft? The Browns certainly had a solid draft last season. We're talking THIS years draft. *confused*
EDIT: Although even with last year the Steelers hit big with Gilbert, Heyward played well in his spot starts and the young corners were the first corners in a LONG TIME to get on the field as rookies. Both are expected to be big contributors this season. We also drafted much later. (IF! i had to make an argument lol
) The Browns just should have had a stronger draft with 13 packs. I certainly believe they're improved but they could be MUCH improved. YET the analysts/scouts aren't always right...we won't know until the players hit the field.So? You are finally just now figuring it out?
So? You are finally just now figuring it out?
Gipp It's my attempt at playing "nice". The scounts/analysts have a pretty good idea, especially the guys that watch endless amounts of tape like Mayock. They certainly don't always get it right but they're damn close on a lot of guys BECAUSE the tape doesn't lie. "The big eye in the sky, don't lie".
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So? You are finally just now figuring it out?
Gipp It's my attempt at playing "nice". The scounts/analysts have a pretty good idea, especially the guys that watch endless amounts of tape like Mayock. They certainly don't always get it right but they're damn close on a lot of guys BECAUSE the tape doesn't lie. "The big eye in the sky, don't lie".
Homotron said:
Gipp It's my attempt at playing "nice". The scounts/analysts have a pretty good idea, especially the guys that watch endless amounts of tape like Mayock. They certainly don't always get it right but they're damn close on a lot of guys BECAUSE the tape doesn't lie. "The big eye in the sky, don't lie".
Tron,
The draft is a big crap shoot. Kiper, McShay and Mayock have been wrong before and will be wrong again. Their analyses are like weather reports, they only tell you when they were right. Most fans feel pretty good about the players their teams drafted and all fans hope their rivals, arch-rivals and/or psuedo-rivals drafted poorly. The Browns undoubtedly hit on a few and missed on others, same with the Steelers. Even if the Steelers had the best draft in the NFL EVER, do you really expect Brownies to sing praises to our draft picks.
Really the only questionable draft pick by the Browns was Weeden at #22, because it doesn't seem plausible that anyone would've taken him before #37. That doesn't mean Weeden won't be a superstar for the Browns, that just means they may have had a better chance at getting another superstar, even though they feel "the Schwartz is strong with them." Can you imagine how scary the Browns run-game would've been if they selected DeCastro at #22? Selecting Weeden at #22 helped the Steelers with their draft, period. Next thing you know they'll be demanding thanks for that! Gaurd was a bigger position of need for us, and DeCastro was a better prospect at his position than Hightower was at inside linebacker.
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Homotron said:
Gipp It's my attempt at playing "nice". The scounts/analysts have a pretty good idea, especially the guys that watch endless amounts of tape like Mayock. They certainly don't always get it right but they're damn close on a lot of guys BECAUSE the tape doesn't lie. "The big eye in the sky, don't lie".
Tron,
The draft is a big crap shoot. Kiper, McShay and Mayock have been wrong before and will be wrong again. Their analyses are like weather reports, they only tell you when they were right. Most fans feel pretty good about the players their teams drafted and all fans hope their rivals, arch-rivals and/or psuedo-rivals drafted poorly. The Browns undoubtedly hit on a few and missed on others, same with the Steelers. Even if the Steelers had the best draft in the NFL EVER, do you really expect Brownies to sing praises to our draft picks.
Really the only questionable draft pick by the Browns was Weeden at #22, because it doesn't seem plausible that anyone would've taken him before #37. That doesn't mean Weeden won't be a superstar for the Browns, that just means they may have had a better chance at getting another superstar, even though they feel "the Schwartz is strong with them." Can you imagine how scary the Browns run-game would've been if they selected DeCastro at #22? Selecting Weeden at #22 helped the Steelers with their draft, period. Next thing you know they'll be demanding thanks for that! Gaurd was a bigger position of need for us, and DeCastro was a better prospect at his position than Hightower was at inside linebacker.
Endymion said:
Tron,
The draft is a big crap shoot. Kiper, McShay and Mayock have been wrong before and will be wrong again. Their analyses are like weather reports, they only tell you when they were right. Most fans feel pretty good about the players their teams drafted and all fans hope their rivals, arch-rivals and/or psuedo-rivals drafted poorly. The Browns undoubtedly hit on a few and missed on others, same with the Steelers. Even if the Steelers had the best draft in the NFL EVER, do you really expect Brownies to sing praises to our draft picks.
I will praise the Steelers for their 1974 draft. Hard to argue with 4 Hall of Famers. (roids
)Really the only questionable draft pick by the Browns was Weeden at #22, because it doesn't seem plausible that anyone would've taken him before #37.
Much is plausible. More was possible. Last year at least 3 QBs went in the first round that many thought should have gone 2d or 3rd round. With the premium set on QBs now, it is no surprise that the player considered to be the third best available (given Tannehill's "unreadiness) would go in the first round.
That doesn't mean Weeden won't be a superstar for the Browns, that just means they may have had a better chance at getting another superstar, even though they feel "the Schwartz is strong with them." Can you imagine how scary the Browns run-game would've been if they selected DeCastro at #22? Selecting Weeden at #22 helped the Steelers with their draft, period. Next thing you know they'll be demanding thanks for that! Gaurd was a bigger position of need for us, and DeCastro was a better prospect at his position than Hightower was at inside linebacker.
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Homotron said:
Gipp It's my attempt at playing "nice". The scounts/analysts have a pretty good idea, especially the guys that watch endless amounts of tape like Mayock. They certainly don't always get it right but they're damn close on a lot of guys BECAUSE the tape doesn't lie. "The big eye in the sky, don't lie".
Tron,
The draft is a big crap shoot. Kiper, McShay and Mayock have been wrong before and will be wrong again. Their analyses are like weather reports, they only tell you when they were right. Most fans feel pretty good about the players their teams drafted and all fans hope their rivals, arch-rivals and/or psuedo-rivals drafted poorly. The Browns undoubtedly hit on a few and missed on others, same with the Steelers. Even if the Steelers had the best draft in the NFL EVER, do you really expect Brownies to sing praises to our draft picks.
Really the only questionable draft pick by the Browns was Weeden at #22, because it doesn't seem plausible that anyone would've taken him before #37. That doesn't mean Weeden won't be a superstar for the Browns, that just means they may have had a better chance at getting another superstar, even though they feel "the Schwartz is strong with them." Can you imagine how scary the Browns run-game would've been if they selected DeCastro at #22? Selecting Weeden at #22 helped the Steelers with their draft, period. Next thing you know they'll be demanding thanks for that! Gaurd was a bigger position of need for us, and DeCastro was a better prospect at his position than Hightower was at inside linebacker.
Endymion said:
Tron,
The draft is a big crap shoot. Kiper, McShay and Mayock have been wrong before and will be wrong again. Their analyses are like weather reports, they only tell you when they were right. Most fans feel pretty good about the players their teams drafted and all fans hope their rivals, arch-rivals and/or psuedo-rivals drafted poorly. The Browns undoubtedly hit on a few and missed on others, same with the Steelers. Even if the Steelers had the best draft in the NFL EVER, do you really expect Brownies to sing praises to our draft picks.
Really the only questionable draft pick by the Browns was Weeden at #22, because it doesn't seem plausible that anyone would've taken him before #37. That doesn't mean Weeden won't be a superstar for the Browns, that just means they may have had a better chance at getting another superstar, even though they feel "the Schwartz is strong with them." Can you imagine how scary the Browns run-game would've been if they selected DeCastro at #22? Selecting Weeden at #22 helped the Steelers with their draft, period. Next thing you know they'll be demanding thanks for that! Gaurd was a bigger position of need for us, and DeCastro was a better prospect at his position than Hightower was at inside linebacker.
Hughes was a huge reach and because they reached for Hughes (Winn is better and was drafted much later) they were forced to draft a guy like Benjamin at WR. Mayock IMO also stands well about Kiper and McShay but you aren't wrong in that they've been wrong before. I still can't believe we landed DeCastro and Adams without moving up. The Steelers DID however try and move up for DeCastro once the free fall really got underway but they couldn't find a trade suitor.
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Endymion said:
Tron,
The draft is a big crap shoot. Kiper, McShay and Mayock have been wrong before and will be wrong again. Their analyses are like weather reports, they only tell you when they were right. Most fans feel pretty good about the players their teams drafted and all fans hope their rivals, arch-rivals and/or psuedo-rivals drafted poorly. The Browns undoubtedly hit on a few and missed on others, same with the Steelers. Even if the Steelers had the best draft in the NFL EVER, do you really expect Brownies to sing praises to our draft picks.
Really the only questionable draft pick by the Browns was Weeden at #22, because it doesn't seem plausible that anyone would've taken him before #37. That doesn't mean Weeden won't be a superstar for the Browns, that just means they may have had a better chance at getting another superstar, even though they feel "the Schwartz is strong with them." Can you imagine how scary the Browns run-game would've been if they selected DeCastro at #22? Selecting Weeden at #22 helped the Steelers with their draft, period. Next thing you know they'll be demanding thanks for that! Gaurd was a bigger position of need for us, and DeCastro was a better prospect at his position than Hightower was at inside linebacker.
Hughes was a huge reach and because they reached for Hughes (Winn is better and was drafted much later) they were forced to draft a guy like Benjamin at WR. Mayock IMO also stands well about Kiper and McShay but you aren't wrong in that they've been wrong before. I still can't believe we landed DeCastro and Adams without moving up. The Steelers DID however try and move up for DeCastro once the free fall really got underway but they couldn't find a trade suitor.
Homotron said:
Hughes was a huge reach and because they reached for Hughes (Winn is better and was drafted much later) they were forced to draft a guy like Benjamin at WR. Mayock IMO also stands well about Kiper and McShay but you aren't wrong in that they've been wrong before. I still can't believe we landed DeCastro and Adams without moving up. The Steelers DID however try and move up for DeCastro once the free fall really got underway but they couldn't find a trade suitor.
If Hughes is rolling over Castro and putting Steeler RBs down like little bitches with no gains or a loss....then it will by no means be a "reach".
And Mel Kiper had Winn as a third round rating, and they got him in what? the 6th/7th round?
So don't worry about the fact that maybe the Browns took what you think was a 6th round rater and got him in the third when they got a third round rater and got him in the 6th round.
It all works out.
(Browns best DT, Aytaba Rubin was a 6th rounder)
And who is to say the Browns were "forced" to take Benjamin?
He was the fastest WR in this draft, more or less, (that is what I hear, I am not privy to every single 40 time). It seems to me that he fit their need exactly.
On the other side of the ball the Browns have a big, powerful, strong, over the middle type WR in Greg Little. What they didn't have was up top speed. That is what they needed first and foremost. That is what they got with Benjamin. The Steelers ain't go no DBs that can keep up with him.
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Endymion said:
Tron,
The draft is a big crap shoot. Kiper, McShay and Mayock have been wrong before and will be wrong again. Their analyses are like weather reports, they only tell you when they were right. Most fans feel pretty good about the players their teams drafted and all fans hope their rivals, arch-rivals and/or psuedo-rivals drafted poorly. The Browns undoubtedly hit on a few and missed on others, same with the Steelers. Even if the Steelers had the best draft in the NFL EVER, do you really expect Brownies to sing praises to our draft picks.
Really the only questionable draft pick by the Browns was Weeden at #22, because it doesn't seem plausible that anyone would've taken him before #37. That doesn't mean Weeden won't be a superstar for the Browns, that just means they may have had a better chance at getting another superstar, even though they feel "the Schwartz is strong with them." Can you imagine how scary the Browns run-game would've been if they selected DeCastro at #22? Selecting Weeden at #22 helped the Steelers with their draft, period. Next thing you know they'll be demanding thanks for that! Gaurd was a bigger position of need for us, and DeCastro was a better prospect at his position than Hightower was at inside linebacker.
Hughes was a huge reach and because they reached for Hughes (Winn is better and was drafted much later) they were forced to draft a guy like Benjamin at WR. Mayock IMO also stands well about Kiper and McShay but you aren't wrong in that they've been wrong before. I still can't believe we landed DeCastro and Adams without moving up. The Steelers DID however try and move up for DeCastro once the free fall really got underway but they couldn't find a trade suitor.
Homotron said:
Hughes was a huge reach and because they reached for Hughes (Winn is better and was drafted much later) they were forced to draft a guy like Benjamin at WR. Mayock IMO also stands well about Kiper and McShay but you aren't wrong in that they've been wrong before. I still can't believe we landed DeCastro and Adams without moving up. The Steelers DID however try and move up for DeCastro once the free fall really got underway but they couldn't find a trade suitor.
Hughes was a huge reach, but the rumor mill is that the Saints who selected 2 picks later were keen on selecting him. There were other teams that were much higher on Hughes that waiting for the 5/6 round.
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Homotron said:
Hughes was a huge reach and because they reached for Hughes (Winn is better and was drafted much later) they were forced to draft a guy like Benjamin at WR. Mayock IMO also stands well about Kiper and McShay but you aren't wrong in that they've been wrong before. I still can't believe we landed DeCastro and Adams without moving up. The Steelers DID however try and move up for DeCastro once the free fall really got underway but they couldn't find a trade suitor.
If Hughes is rolling over Castro and putting Steeler RBs down like little bitches with no gains or a loss....then it will by no means be a "reach".
And Mel Kiper had Winn as a third round rating, and they got him in what? the 6th/7th round?
So don't worry about the fact that maybe the Browns took what you think was a 6th round rater and got him in the third when they got a third round rater and got him in the 6th round.
It all works out.
(Browns best DT, Aytaba Rubin was a 6th rounder)
And who is to say the Browns were "forced" to take Benjamin?
He was the fastest WR in this draft, more or less, (that is what I hear, I am not privy to every single 40 time). It seems to me that he fit their need exactly.
On the other side of the ball the Browns have a big, powerful, strong, over the middle type WR in Greg Little. What they didn't have was up top speed. That is what they needed first and foremost. That is what they got with Benjamin. The Steelers ain't go no DBs that can keep up with him.
If Hughes is rolling over Castro and putting Steeler RBs down like little bitches with no gains or a loss....then it will by no means be a "reach".
And Mel Kiper had Winn as a third round rating, and they got him in what? the 6th/7th round?
So don't worry about the fact that maybe the Browns took what you think was a 6th round rater and got him in the third when they got a third round rater and got him in the 6th round.
It all works out.
(Browns best DT, Aytaba Rubin was a 6th rounder)
And who is to say the Browns were "forced" to take Benjamin?
He was the fastest WR in this draft, more or less, (that is what I hear, I am not privy to every single 40 time). It seems to me that he fit their need exactly.
On the other side of the ball the Browns have a big, powerful, strong, over the middle type WR in Greg Little. What they didn't have was up top speed. That is what they needed first and foremost. That is what they got with Benjamin. The Steelers ain't go no DBs that can keep up with him.
Ike Taylor may be the fastest player on our team. He ran a 4.2 last off season and is one of the fastest players in the NFL. Our defense also isn't built around lock down man coverage BECAUSE the QB has to worry about the front seven and last I checked our front seven is pretty damn good.
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Well, after the draft, the squeelers, bungles, and rotten stupid ratbirds had fine drafts...
but that doesn't make them a lot better.
The Browns had a very fine draft - and they will be HUGELY better.
Some old problems (dline depth, lb depth, RT
...and sure, big armed qb eventually ? starting sooner or later....
Huge, dramatic improvement in a team that needs it.
The other three are still who they are.
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It sounds crazy but Cincy is slowly building a very good young team. They will be pretty tough from here on out. Baltimore id give a b- and Steelers get a b-. As for us we addressed some glaring needs and will be surprisingly better this year, but still a year from being able to take the final step to the top of the division.
So,
Cincy
Bal
Pit
Clv(we have one of the top 5 hardest schedules.) 7-9 losing early and winning late.
How is the Steeler draft ranked 3rd? They certainly had a better draft than Baltimore and for the picks we had I'd argue we had a better draft than the Bengals as well. A guard in the mold of Faneca and a left tackle that should start at left or right tackle as a rookie. Spence is a heat seeking missile and the nose tackle is cut from the Hampton mold. You then add in Rainey in the 5th who A LOT of people compare to LeMichael James and Isiah Pead both who were drafted much higher. The Steelers killed it.
Yeh, on paper PIT nailed it. They got a top first rounder with their late first round pick and they got a bottom first rounder with their late second round pick.Homotron said:
How is the Steeler draft ranked 3rd? They certainly had a better draft than Baltimore and for the picks we had I'd argue we had a better draft than the Bengals as well. A guard in the mold of Faneca and a left tackle that should start at left or right tackle as a rookie. Spence is a heat seeking missile and the nose tackle is cut from the Hampton mold. You then add in Rainey in the 5th who A LOT of people compare to LeMichael James and Isiah Pead both who were drafted much higher. The Steelers killed it.
I'm not that big on the draft. Check with me in 3 years and I will tell ya how everybody did in 2012.
Looks like CLE got a super running back to make y'all forget about Peyton who? Looks like CLE also got a new rookie QB for PIT's and BAL's defenses to eat alive. It's gonna be a long season at lakeside with another rookie QB.
I dunno, maybe the Browns will luck-out and have a QB like Cincy's Dalton.
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Yeh, on paper PIT nailed it. They got a top first rounder with their late first round pick and they got a bottom first rounder with their late second round pick.Homotron said:
How is the Steeler draft ranked 3rd? They certainly had a better draft than Baltimore and for the picks we had I'd argue we had a better draft than the Bengals as well. A guard in the mold of Faneca and a left tackle that should start at left or right tackle as a rookie. Spence is a heat seeking missile and the nose tackle is cut from the Hampton mold. You then add in Rainey in the 5th who A LOT of people compare to LeMichael James and Isiah Pead both who were drafted much higher. The Steelers killed it.
I'm not that big on the draft. Check with me in 3 years and I will tell ya how everybody did in 2012.
Looks like CLE got a super running back to make y'all forget about Peyton who? Looks like CLE also got a new rookie QB for PIT's and BAL's defenses to eat alive. It's gonna be a long season at lakeside with another rookie QB.
I dunno, maybe the Browns will luck-out and have a QB like Cincy's Dalton.
Yeh, on paper PIT nailed it. They got a top first rounder with their late first round pick and they got a bottom first rounder with their late second round pick.
I'm not that big on the draft. Check with me in 3 years and I will tell ya how everybody did in 2012.
Looks like CLE got a super running back to make y'all forget about Peyton who? Looks like CLE also got a new rookie QB for PIT's and BAL's defenses to eat alive. It's gonna be a long season at lakeside with another rookie QB.
I dunno, maybe the Browns will luck-out and have a QB like Cincy's Dalton.
A refreshing reply. I also agree BUT I am big on the draft. We'll see how things shake out once the season starts but I'm THRILLED with our draft and would rate this one second to only the 74' Hall of Famer haul.
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Yeh, on paper PIT nailed it. They got a top first rounder with their late first round pick and they got a bottom first rounder with their late second round pick.Homotron said:
How is the Steeler draft ranked 3rd? They certainly had a better draft than Baltimore and for the picks we had I'd argue we had a better draft than the Bengals as well. A guard in the mold of Faneca and a left tackle that should start at left or right tackle as a rookie. Spence is a heat seeking missile and the nose tackle is cut from the Hampton mold. You then add in Rainey in the 5th who A LOT of people compare to LeMichael James and Isiah Pead both who were drafted much higher. The Steelers killed it.
I'm not that big on the draft. Check with me in 3 years and I will tell ya how everybody did in 2012.
Looks like CLE got a super running back to make y'all forget about Peyton who? Looks like CLE also got a new rookie QB for PIT's and BAL's defenses to eat alive. It's gonna be a long season at lakeside with another rookie QB.
I dunno, maybe the Browns will luck-out and have a QB like Cincy's Dalton.
Looks like CLE also got a new rookie QB for PIT's and BAL's defenses to eat alive. It's gonna be a long season at lakeside with another rookie QB.
I dunno, maybe the Browns will luck-out and have a QB like Cincy's Dalton.
Seriously?!? The one thing you didn't get was a QB who could eat our defenses alive. We have the most trouble with mobile QB's (Tebow, Vick, etc.) Weeden is statue. On top of that, Weeden's biggest weakness is making good decisions when staring down the blitz. I see Baltimore eating him alive. In theory Pittsburgh should eat him alive, but our defense doesn't look to be good this year.
Outside Linebackers Harrison and Woodley failed to apply much pressure to QBs last year. The defensive line should be just as good or better, which means there will be opportunities to get to the QB. Inside Linebacker Timmons has been MIA since signing his contract, and Foote (a capable backup) is filling in for Farrior. Foote is not an improvement. Ike "Stone Hands" Taylor is our best dB, and he was torched in the play-off game against Tebow and company. There's no starter opposite him. Troy will be bright spot in our secondary (if he stays healthy) but Clark ain't no spring chicken. This year's draft did not address our linebacking and secondary issues, i.e. by supplying viable starters for 2012. I don't see Spence as anything more than a special teams player in 2012.
If Pittsburgh makes the play-offs this year, it's likely going to be by the Green Bay/New England model of high scoring offense/barely noticeable speed bump defense. Problem is our owner hates that model.
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If Hughes is rolling over Castro and putting Steeler RBs down like little bitches with no gains or a loss....then it will by no means be a "reach".
And Mel Kiper had Winn as a third round rating, and they got him in what? the 6th/7th round?
So don't worry about the fact that maybe the Browns took what you think was a 6th round rater and got him in the third when they got a third round rater and got him in the 6th round.
It all works out.
(Browns best DT, Aytaba Rubin was a 6th rounder)
And who is to say the Browns were "forced" to take Benjamin?
He was the fastest WR in this draft, more or less, (that is what I hear, I am not privy to every single 40 time). It seems to me that he fit their need exactly.
On the other side of the ball the Browns have a big, powerful, strong, over the middle type WR in Greg Little. What they didn't have was up top speed. That is what they needed first and foremost. That is what they got with Benjamin. The Steelers ain't go no DBs that can keep up with him.
Ike Taylor may be the fastest player on our team. He ran a 4.2 last off season and is one of the fastest players in the NFL. Our defense also isn't built around lock down man coverage BECAUSE the QB has to worry about the front seven and last I checked our front seven is pretty damn good.
Homotron said:
Ike Taylor may be the fastest player on our team. He ran a 4.2 last off season and is one of the fastest players in the NFL. Our defense also isn't built around lock down man coverage BECAUSE the QB has to worry about the front seven and last I checked our front seven is pretty damn good.
Nevertheless, the point is the Browns needed speed. Take the speedsters off the steelers team (Brown/Wallace) and what kind of receiving corps do they have?
Speed kills, and the Browns were far from lethal last year. Perhaps now, with "All About the" Benjamin, they will be a little more dangerous.
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Yeh, on paper PIT nailed it. They got a top first rounder with their late first round pick and they got a bottom first rounder with their late second round pick.
I'm not that big on the draft. Check with me in 3 years and I will tell ya how everybody did in 2012.
Looks like CLE got a super running back to make y'all forget about Peyton who? Looks like CLE also got a new rookie QB for PIT's and BAL's defenses to eat alive. It's gonna be a long season at lakeside with another rookie QB.
I dunno, maybe the Browns will luck-out and have a QB like Cincy's Dalton.
A refreshing reply. I also agree BUT I am big on the draft. We'll see how things shake out once the season starts but I'm THRILLED with our draft and would rate this one second to only the 74' Hall of Famer haul.
Homotron said:
A refreshing reply. I also agree BUT I am big on the draft. We'll see how things shake out once the season starts but I'm THRILLED with our draft and would rate this one second to only the 74' Hall of Famer haul.
Now you are just being either silly or stupid.
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Looks like CLE also got a new rookie QB for PIT's and BAL's defenses to eat alive. It's gonna be a long season at lakeside with another rookie QB.
I dunno, maybe the Browns will luck-out and have a QB like Cincy's Dalton.
Seriously?!? The one thing you didn't get was a QB who could eat our defenses alive. We have the most trouble with mobile QB's (Tebow, Vick, etc.) Weeden is statue. On top of that, Weeden's biggest weakness is making good decisions when staring down the blitz. I see Baltimore eating him alive. In theory Pittsburgh should eat him alive, but our defense doesn't look to be good this year.
Outside Linebackers Harrison and Woodley failed to apply much pressure to QBs last year. The defensive line should be just as good or better, which means there will be opportunities to get to the QB. Inside Linebacker Timmons has been MIA since signing his contract, and Foote (a capable backup) is filling in for Farrior. Foote is not an improvement. Ike "Stone Hands" Taylor is our best dB, and he was torched in the play-off game against Tebow and company. There's no starter opposite him. Troy will be bright spot in our secondary (if he stays healthy) but Clark ain't no spring chicken. This year's draft did not address our linebacking and secondary issues, i.e. by supplying viable starters for 2012. I don't see Spence as anything more than a special teams player in 2012.
If Pittsburgh makes the play-offs this year, it's likely going to be by the Green Bay/New England model of high scoring offense/barely noticeable speed bump defense. Problem is our owner hates that model.
Endymion said:
Seriously?!? The one thing you didn't get was a QB who could eat our defenses alive. We have the most trouble with mobile QB's (Tebow, Vick, etc.) Weeden is statue. On top of that, Weeden's biggest weakness is making good decisions when staring down the blitz. I see Baltimore eating him alive. In theory Pittsburgh should eat him alive, but our defense doesn't look to be good this year.
I think you need to take a big Emily Lattela moment here Shrike. (Nevermind).Read his post again. He said just what you said...that we have a QB that the Rats and Squibs can eat alive.
Though, I will say this: Weeden is no more a statue than the other 3 QBs in this division. None of them remind anyone of Fran Tarkenton or Roger Staubach.
Outside Linebackers Harrison and Woodley failed to apply much pressure to QBs last year. The defensive line should be just as good or better, which means there will be opportunities to get to the QB. Inside Linebacker Timmons has been MIA since signing his contract, and Foote (a capable backup) is filling in for Farrior. Foote is not an improvement. Ike "Stone Hands" Taylor is our best dB, and he was torched in the play-off game against Tebow and company. There's no starter opposite him. Troy will be bright spot in our secondary (if he stays healthy) but Clark ain't no spring chicken. This year's draft did not address our linebacking and secondary issues, i.e. by supplying viable starters for 2012. I don't see Spence as anything more than a special teams player in 2012.
If Pittsburgh makes the play-offs this year, it's likely going to be by the Green Bay/New England model of high scoring offense/barely noticeable speed bump defense. Problem is our owner hates that model.
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I think you need to take a big Emily Lattela moment here Shrike. (Nevermind).Read his post again. He said just what you said...that we have a QB that the Rats and Squibs can eat alive.
Okay, so I'm blind and lacked enough caffeine for proper comprehension this morning. Maybe I'll just use my anti-entropic powers and just modify the quote to fit my argument as any upstanding Brown's Forum Moderator would do. Or maybe I'll just revisit it with one of my Samurai Futaba moments.
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