Merged Threads Gay Talk
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A letter on Andrew Sullivan's site today:
"I am a professor at the University of North Carolina. I am a Westerner by birth and temperament, but after nearly two decades in this gentle, Southern state, I was until recently proud to call it home.
Today, it looks likely to be the case that my beloved home will pass an amendment to its Constitution that will make me a permanent second-class citizen. Last night, I talked with my husband of 12 years what we should do. Should I look for a job elsewhere? I love UNC. I love its students. But it is clear that a majority of its voters will carve in large, bloody letters hatred into the Constitution.
Should I uproot myself? I plan on writing the Chancellor of the University on Wednesday to let him know that I will start the years-long process of finding a new job. I am heartbroken. American Theocracy is a real thing - and the machinery of a pluralist, democratic state has been hijacked.
Truly, my heart breaks."
A letter on Andrew Sullivan's site today:
"I am a professor at the University of North Carolina. I am a Westerner by birth and temperament, but after nearly two decades in this gentle, Southern state, I was until recently proud to call it home.
Today, it looks likely to be the case that my beloved home will pass an amendment to its Constitution that will make me a permanent second-class citizen. Last night, I talked with my husband of 12 years what we should do. Should I look for a job elsewhere? I love UNC. I love its students. But it is clear that a majority of its voters will carve in large, bloody letters hatred into the Constitution.
Should I uproot myself? I plan on writing the Chancellor of the University on Wednesday to let him know that I will start the years-long process of finding a new job. I am heartbroken. American Theocracy is a real thing - and the machinery of a pluralist, democratic state has been hijacked.
Truly, my heart breaks."
HERES MY BIG FAT OHH WAAAAAA!!!!! go move then if you dont like it!
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one last post on this miserable subject...... it should be noted that the secretary of education Arne Duncan was with good ole Joe in North Carolina spouting off on his gay marriage support.
http://www.boston.co...76sI/index.html
Is it any wonder we are getting further down the sink hole? Now our kids are getting indoctrinated at an earlier age too.....
The dems have their national convention in Charlotte this summer......
My guess is that the good people of North Carolina will SOUNDLY shoot down the notion today / tonight and say YES to traditional marriage. (oh, it wont bode well for President Barack Obama's campaign-oops sorry)
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I'm pretty sure at least have of Americans are in favor of legalizing gay marriage.
No one answered my question. Why should gay people not be able to marry each other? And just so this doesn't go off on a tangent about definitions I mean a legitimate government recognized marriage where they get all the rights of straight marriages.
And Steve, marriages that don't involve religion are not a sham? lol. You think every marriage between people that don't believe a man took every kind of animal on a boat he built are shams? (insert a shot at another religion here if you wish) What does that have anything to do with how legit it is?
But please, someone tell me why they think gays shouldn't get a legal marriage like everyone else?
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The reason woody, I bring up the religious rites, ( or sham as Heck calls it) is that it has been a part of marriage.
Those with religious faith can be married in a church and be married in the eyes of whatever they consider God to be.
But if its true that all you folks want is a guarantee of equal rights responsibilities and benefits of actual marriage that can be taken care of by a civil union.
So what would be your problem with that compromise?
WSS
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The reason woody, I bring up the religious rites, ( or sham as Heck calls it) is that it has been a part of marriage.
Those with religious faith can be married in a church and be married in the eyes of whatever they consider God to be.
But if its true that all you folks want is a guarantee of equal rights responsibilities and benefits of actual marriage that can be taken care of by a civil union.
So what would be your problem with that compromise?
WSS
The reason woody, I bring up the religious rites, ( or sham as Heck calls it) is that it has been a part of marriage.
Those with religious faith can be married in a church and be married in the eyes of whatever they consider God to be.
But if its true that all you folks want is a guarantee of equal rights responsibilities and benefits of actual marriage that can be taken care of by a civil union.
So what would be your problem with that compromise?
WSS
Steve, a civil union =/= a marriage.
http://www.factcheck.org/what_is_a_civil_union.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_union#United_States
I'd be okay with a compromise that allowed gay couples all the legal benefits that straight couples have access to. If the state allows civil unions, but not marriage, they're treating gays as second-class citizens.
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Because it's not marriage rights. It's creating something different for gays apart from straights. And people don't like "compromising" on fundamental rights. They want equality.
I'd ask you: if you're willing to grant gays all the rights of marriage, why do you feel the need to call it "civil unions"? Why call it something else?
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The reason woody, I bring up the religious rites, ( or sham as Heck calls it) is that it has been a part of marriage.
Those with religious faith can be married in a church and be married in the eyes of whatever they consider God to be.
But if its true that all you folks want is a guarantee of equal rights responsibilities and benefits of actual marriage that can be taken care of by a civil union.
So what would be your problem with that compromise?
WSS
The reason woody, I bring up the religious rites, ( or sham as Heck calls it) is that it has been a part of marriage.
Those with religious faith can be married in a church and be married in the eyes of whatever they consider God to be.
But if its true that all you folks want is a guarantee of equal rights responsibilities and benefits of actual marriage that can be taken care of by a civil union.
So what would be your problem with that compromise?
WSS
My problem with compromise is that there should be no reason to compromise...
You still haven't given me a reason for why you think gay marriage should be illegal. And do you think that two straight atheists can't get married? What about two people of different religions? That's great of two people want to throw religion in there but I don't see how that makes it any more or less legitimate.
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The reason woody, I bring up the religious rites, ( or sham as Heck calls it) is that it has been a part of marriage.
Those with religious faith can be married in a church and be married in the eyes of whatever they consider God to be.
But if its true that all you folks want is a guarantee of equal rights responsibilities and benefits of actual marriage that can be taken care of by a civil union.
So what would be your problem with that compromise?
WSS
The reason woody, I bring up the religious rites, ( or sham as Heck calls it) is that it has been a part of marriage.
Those with religious faith can be married in a church and be married in the eyes of whatever they consider God to be.
But if its true that all you folks want is a guarantee of equal rights responsibilities and benefits of actual marriage that can be taken care of by a civil union.
So what would be your problem with that compromise?
WSS
the GLBT agenda want children too. And for the most part, marriage has been an institution for procreation (DUH...) an exclusive benefit to 1 man 1 woman. Civil unions provide all that a gay partnership would ever need for sustainability, does not relegate them to a second class status as suggested elsewhere .(here)
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You've got to love Steve. He's not even for the issue he's typing against. But he still types it.
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The reason woody, I bring up the religious rites, ( or sham as Heck calls it) is that it has been a part of marriage.
Those with religious faith can be married in a church and be married in the eyes of whatever they consider God to be.
But if its true that all you folks want is a guarantee of equal rights responsibilities and benefits of actual marriage that can be taken care of by a civil union.
So what would be your problem with that compromise?
WSS
the GLBT agenda want children too. And for the most part, marriage has been an institution for procreation (DUH...) an exclusive benefit to 1 man 1 woman. Civil unions provide all that a gay partnership would ever need for sustainability, does not relegate them to a second class status as suggested elsewhere .(here)
the GLBT agenda want children too. And for the most part, marriage has been an institution for procreation (DUH...) an exclusive benefit to 1 man 1 woman. Civil unions provide all that a gay partnership would ever need for sustainability, does not relegate them to a second class status as suggested elsewhere .(here)
So you can't get married with the intent to adopt children? What about women that can't have children or men that can't?
I'm pretty sure that "and for the most part" part is a pretty big stretch...
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the GLBT agenda want children too. And for the most part, marriage has been an institution for procreation (DUH...) an exclusive benefit to 1 man 1 woman. Civil unions provide all that a gay partnership would ever need for sustainability, does not relegate them to a second class status as suggested elsewhere .(here)
So you can't get married with the intent to adopt children? What about women that can't have children or men that can't?
I'm pretty sure that "and for the most part" part is a pretty big stretch...
So you can't get married with the intent to adopt children? What about women that can't have children or men that can't?
I'm pretty sure that "and for the most part" part is a pretty big stretch...
tell me how two men or two women procreate? thats your stretch.... nobody said you could nt adopt, plenty of families do...
what is not getting any support is the GLBT agenda acting as if they are providing a sound environment for children, I dont know about you, but this brand of social engineering has not been proven to work yet!
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Actually, it has. It's been shown to be just fine. Here's one study. Here's another. Which is what you expect when you see gays as not superior, or inferior, but just other people who happen to have a different orientation than you do.
So all of the arguments you've put forth clearly don't work. Obviously, children or the ability to have children is not a condition of heterosexual marriage. And gays often adopt children, or have children themselves. I've got good friends who are lesbians who have children. Lots of people know gay people with children. It's quite common.
But that's okay. It's not like we're going to change your mind. Just as long as you acknowledge that you haven't made one valid argument against it yet, I'm happy.
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So today North Carolina is expected to pass a ban not only same sex marriage, but also civil unions.
Here's the text that voters will see on the ballot: "Constitutional amendment to provide that marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this State."
How would you vote on this and why?
So today North Carolina is expected to pass a ban not only same sex marriage, but also civil unions.
Here's the text that voters will see on the ballot: "Constitutional amendment to provide that marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this State."
How would you vote on this and why?
good bait job there heck..... I dont live in NC, but Minn will have this on the ballot in the fall. and it is expected to pass the same way. The text will read "Constitutional amendment to provide that marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this State."
NOT changing the narrative to speak the downtroddens rights or lack thereof .... in other words, it is not about the same sexers... it is about the rest of us
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Anyone of you chumps who voted no or would vote no want to explain why my sister and her partner should not have the same rights to get married that you enjoy? You think somethings wrong with her? You know she's not a good mom somehow? Is that it? Enlighten me.
Anyone of you chumps who voted no or would vote no want to explain why my sister and her partner should not have the same rights to get married that you enjoy? You think somethings wrong with her? You know she's not a good mom somehow? Is that it? Enlighten me.
I'd like to hear this too.
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I have two questions.
1. Why aren't couples in civil unions not entitled to the same benefits as a married couple?
2. Why do gay people want to have a "marriage"? Why cant they be happy with Civil Union? If gay people get the same benefits as married people, then there is no technical difference between a Civil Union and a Marriage, correct?
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I think I asked that question to the them 3 times now and haven't gotten a straight answer...
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I think I asked that question to the them 3 times now and haven't gotten a straight answer...
I think I asked that question to the them 3 times now and haven't gotten a straight answer...
Perhaps I should have asked the members what their solution to the problem is.
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