Mike Wallace
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Why should'nt H&H sign him to a large contract, 8 years 50 million 20 mill guaranteed. Make the Steelers match or we get him and give up our first rounder next year? The guy is a stud and he could be the 1 receiver we are missing on offense who could grow with Weeden and Richardson. Don't crucify me, I am just coming up with some topics to discuss since things are slow this time of year.
Thomaspro
Why should'nt H&H sign him to a large contract, 8 years 50 million 20 mill guaranteed. Make the Steelers match or we get him and give up our first rounder next year? The guy is a stud and he could be the 1 receiver we are missing on offense who could grow with Weeden and Richardson. Don't crucify me, I am just coming up with some topics to discuss since things are slow this time of year.
Thomaspro
I realize your fan base isn't well informed on much of anything, but you should be aware the deadline for other clubs to extend an offer to RFA's was April 20th. Nobody can negotiate with Wallace but the Steelers now. Wallace now has until June 15 to sign his tender or he risks losing a lot of money. If Wallace doesn't sign by that date his salary is reduced from $2.742 million to $577,500.
The ball is in the Steelers court on this one, and Wallace's best option is to agree to a long term extension before the season or he risks playing for peanuts this year and then getting franchised after the season.
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Why should'nt H&H sign him to a large contract, 8 years 50 million 20 mill guaranteed. Make the Steelers match or we get him and give up our first rounder next year? The guy is a stud and he could be the 1 receiver we are missing on offense who could grow with Weeden and Richardson. Don't crucify me, I am just coming up with some topics to discuss since things are slow this time of year.
Thomaspro
I realize your fan base isn't well informed on much of anything, but you should be aware the deadline for other clubs to extend an offer to RFA's was April 20th. Nobody can negotiate with Wallace but the Steelers now. Wallace now has until June 15 to sign his tender or he risks losing a lot of money. If Wallace doesn't sign by that date his salary is reduced from $2.742 million to $577,500.
The ball is in the Steelers court on this one, and Wallace's best option is to agree to a long term extension before the season or he risks playing for peanuts this year and then getting franchised after the season.
Nobody can negotiate with Wallace but the Steelers now. Wallace now has until June 15 to sign his tender or he risks losing a lot of money.
The ball is in the Steelers court on this one...
If H&H wanted Wallace, he can still be bought from Pittsburgh. It will cost the Browns more than 1 first round draft choice however, plus whatever contract Wallace would find acceptable (if you want to keep him long term). Another team may get Wallace for a 1st rounder, but an interdivisional foe stands no chance at such an offer, even though you are probably offering a top 10 pick in 2013.
The premise of this subject was more realistic prior to the RFA signing deadline. As unhappy as Wallace may be, he really has no options. I expect the Steelers to place a franchise tag on him next year. So basically if your team wants Wallace, be prepared to pay the Steelers a high price. H&H don't strike me as management who are willing to pay that type of price.
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Why should'nt H&H sign him to a large contract, 8 years 50 million 20 mill guaranteed. Make the Steelers match or we get him and give up our first rounder next year? The guy is a stud and he could be the 1 receiver we are missing on offense who could grow with Weeden and Richardson. Don't crucify me, I am just coming up with some topics to discuss since things are slow this time of year.
Thomaspro
I realize your fan base isn't well informed on much of anything, but you should be aware the deadline for other clubs to extend an offer to RFA's was April 20th. Nobody can negotiate with Wallace but the Steelers now. Wallace now has until June 15 to sign his tender or he risks losing a lot of money. If Wallace doesn't sign by that date his salary is reduced from $2.742 million to $577,500.
The ball is in the Steelers court on this one, and Wallace's best option is to agree to a long term extension before the season or he risks playing for peanuts this year and then getting franchised after the season.
I realize your fan base isn't well informed on much of anything, but you should be aware the deadline for other clubs to extend an offer to RFA's was April 20th. Nobody can negotiate with Wallace but the Steelers now. Wallace now has until June 15 to sign his tender or he risks losing a lot of money. If Wallace doesn't sign by that date his salary is reduced from $2.742 million to $577,500.
The ball is in the Steelers court on this one, and Wallace's best option is to agree to a long term extension before the season or he risks playing for peanuts this year and then getting franchised after the season.
Hey Silverback, go fuck yourself douche bag. I make a simple mistake that even well informed fans could make. Get off your high horse.
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Why should'nt H&H sign him to a large contract, 8 years 50 million 20 mill guaranteed. Make the Steelers match or we get him and give up our first rounder next year? The guy is a stud and he could be the 1 receiver we are missing on offense who could grow with Weeden and Richardson. Don't crucify me, I am just coming up with some topics to discuss since things are slow this time of year.
Thomaspro
I realize your fan base isn't well informed on much of anything, but you should be aware the deadline for other clubs to extend an offer to RFA's was April 20th. Nobody can negotiate with Wallace but the Steelers now. Wallace now has until June 15 to sign his tender or he risks losing a lot of money. If Wallace doesn't sign by that date his salary is reduced from $2.742 million to $577,500.
The ball is in the Steelers court on this one, and Wallace's best option is to agree to a long term extension before the season or he risks playing for peanuts this year and then getting franchised after the season.
The deadline for other clubs to extend an offer to RFA's was April 20th. Nobody can negotiate with Wallace but the Steelers now.
If Wallace doesn't sign by June 15 his salary is reduced from $2.742 million to $577,500.
The ball is in the Steelers court on this one, and Wallace's best option is to agree to a long term extension before the season or he risks playing for peanuts this year and then getting franchised after the season.
To be explicitly clear on this.
Yes, PIT can reduce Wallace's tender from $2.742 million to $577,500, but they have said that they will not do that to him.
The Steelers don't screw people over to make them unhappy.
If I were Wallace, I would play-out the year and then try to get picked up by a team with an A-list QB and passing game (NE, GB, SD, NO, DEN, CIN, DET)
Speed is the first thing that these guys lose with age but Wallace is good enough to continue in the NFL after he is no longer fast.
But yes, as Silverback wrote, Wallace does "face the risk" of being franchised for another season.
But being, "franchised" is not a bad paycheck.
It's hard to shed too many tears for these guys.
Consider the Ravens, They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable are you to God than the Ravens? Book of Luke, Chapter 12, Verse 24. -
Nobody can negotiate with Wallace but the Steelers now. Wallace now has until June 15 to sign his tender or he risks losing a lot of money.
The ball is in the Steelers court on this one...
If H&H wanted Wallace, he can still be bought from Pittsburgh. It will cost the Browns more than 1 first round draft choice however, plus whatever contract Wallace would find acceptable (if you want to keep him long term). Another team may get Wallace for a 1st rounder, but an interdivisional foe stands no chance at such an offer, even though you are probably offering a top 10 pick in 2013.
The premise of this subject was more realistic prior to the RFA signing deadline. As unhappy as Wallace may be, he really has no options. I expect the Steelers to place a franchise tag on him next year. So basically if your team wants Wallace, be prepared to pay the Steelers a high price. H&H don't strike me as management who are willing to pay that type of price.
Endymion said:
If H&H wanted Wallace, he can still be bought from Pittsburgh. It will cost the Browns more than 1 first round draft choice however, plus whatever contract Wallace would find acceptable (if you want to keep him long term). Another team may get Wallace for a 1st rounder, but an interdivisional foe stands no chance at such an offer, even though you are probably offering a top 10 pick in 2013.
The premise of this subject was more realistic prior to the RFA signing deadline. As unhappy as Wallace may be, he really has no options. I expect the Steelers to place a franchise tag on him next year. So basically if your team wants Wallace, be prepared to pay the Steelers a high price. H&H don't strike me as management who are willing to pay that type of price.
Pretty sure you're wrong here and what Silverback said is accurate. He either signs with the Steelers at the 2.7M tender or plays for "peanuts" and then gets franchised if they decide to go that route. I personally don't believe it comes to that as they want to lock him up with a respectable deal and then resign Brown next off season. Two moves that will sure up their receiving corp for a long, long time. The first round compensation situation went out the window before the draft.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
The deadline for other clubs to extend an offer to RFA's was April 20th. Nobody can negotiate with Wallace but the Steelers now.
If Wallace doesn't sign by June 15 his salary is reduced from $2.742 million to $577,500.
The ball is in the Steelers court on this one, and Wallace's best option is to agree to a long term extension before the season or he risks playing for peanuts this year and then getting franchised after the season.
To be explicitly clear on this.
Yes, PIT can reduce Wallace's tender from $2.742 million to $577,500, but they have said that they will not do that to him.
The Steelers don't screw people over to make them unhappy.
If I were Wallace, I would play-out the year and then try to get picked up by a team with an A-list QB and passing game (NE, GB, SD, NO, DEN, CIN, DET)
Speed is the first thing that these guys lose with age but Wallace is good enough to continue in the NFL after he is no longer fast.
But yes, as Silverback wrote, Wallace does "face the risk" of being franchised for another season.
But being, "franchised" is not a bad paycheck.
It's hard to shed too many tears for these guys.
To be explicitly clear on this.
Yes, PIT can reduce Wallace's tender from $2.742 million to $577,500, but they have said that they will not do that to him.
The Steelers don't screw people over to make them unhappy.
If I were Wallace, I would play-out the year and then try to get picked up by a team with an A-list QB and passing game (NE, GB, SD, NO, DEN, CIN, DET)
Speed is the first thing that these guys lose with age but Wallace is good enough to continue in the NFL after he is no longer fast.
But yes, as Silverback wrote, Wallace does "face the risk" of being franchised for another season.
But being, "franchised" is not a bad paycheck.
It's hard to shed too many tears for these guys.
I don't blame Wallace AT ALL for not signing his tender but believe it he has too he will. Why run the risk of injuring himself and eliminating his chances of getting a nice contract? The Steelers don't want him to do that either as you already mentioned. Additionally are you implying Ben isn't an "A list" qb? If so that's hysterical. As far as the tears are concerned with the players aren't making the money the owners are and while i love the Rooney's I'd rather the money be spent on the field. I have zero issue with the amount professional athletes are paid. Good teams also bring a ton of money to their respective cities during the playoffs etc.
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To be explicitly clear on this.
Yes, PIT can reduce Wallace's tender from $2.742 million to $577,500, but they have said that they will not do that to him.
The Steelers don't screw people over to make them unhappy.
If I were Wallace, I would play-out the year and then try to get picked up by a team with an A-list QB and passing game (NE, GB, SD, NO, DEN, CIN, DET)
Speed is the first thing that these guys lose with age but Wallace is good enough to continue in the NFL after he is no longer fast.
But yes, as Silverback wrote, Wallace does "face the risk" of being franchised for another season.
But being, "franchised" is not a bad paycheck.
It's hard to shed too many tears for these guys.
I don't blame Wallace AT ALL for not signing his tender but believe it he has too he will. Why run the risk of injuring himself and eliminating his chances of getting a nice contract? The Steelers don't want him to do that either as you already mentioned. Additionally are you implying Ben isn't an "A list" qb? If so that's hysterical. As far as the tears are concerned with the players aren't making the money the owners are and while i love the Rooney's I'd rather the money be spent on the field. I have zero issue with the amount professional athletes are paid. Good teams also bring a ton of money to their respective cities during the playoffs etc.
Homotron said:
I don't blame Wallace AT ALL for not signing his tender but believe it he has too he will. Why run the risk of injuring himself and eliminating his chances of getting a nice contract? The Steelers don't want him to do that either as you already mentioned. Additionally are you implying Ben isn't an "A list" qb? If so that's hysterical. As far as the tears are concerned with the players aren't making the money the owners are and while i love the Rooney's I'd rather the money be spent on the field. I have zero issue with the amount professional athletes are paid. Good teams also bring a ton of money to their respective cities during the playoffs etc.
Arguing with a fellow yinzer? Does that make you a troll flaming another troll? Or a flamer trolling for a flamer?
I don't know who to call: Billy Goat's Gruff or the fire department.
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Homotron said:
I don't blame Wallace AT ALL for not signing his tender but believe it he has too he will. Why run the risk of injuring himself and eliminating his chances of getting a nice contract? The Steelers don't want him to do that either as you already mentioned. Additionally are you implying Ben isn't an "A list" qb? If so that's hysterical. As far as the tears are concerned with the players aren't making the money the owners are and while i love the Rooney's I'd rather the money be spent on the field. I have zero issue with the amount professional athletes are paid. Good teams also bring a ton of money to their respective cities during the playoffs etc.
Arguing with a fellow yinzer? Does that make you a troll flaming another troll? Or a flamer trolling for a flamer?
I don't know who to call: Billy Goat's Gruff or the fire department.
Arguing with a fellow yinzer? Does that make you a troll flaming another troll? Or a flamer trolling for a flamer?
I don't know who to call: Billy Goat's Gruff or the fire department.
lol.
Hey he's wrong. I don't care if he's a Steeler fan. I only seek the TRUTH! (Billy Goat's gruff had me rolling by the way.) You aren't so bad after all Giptastic. (My new name for you by the way. I'd like to make a semi-formal request to the mods for that name change, please and thank you.)
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Endymion said:
If H&H wanted Wallace, he can still be bought from Pittsburgh. It will cost the Browns more than 1 first round draft choice however, plus whatever contract Wallace would find acceptable (if you want to keep him long term). Another team may get Wallace for a 1st rounder, but an interdivisional foe stands no chance at such an offer, even though you are probably offering a top 10 pick in 2013.
The premise of this subject was more realistic prior to the RFA signing deadline. As unhappy as Wallace may be, he really has no options. I expect the Steelers to place a franchise tag on him next year. So basically if your team wants Wallace, be prepared to pay the Steelers a high price. H&H don't strike me as management who are willing to pay that type of price.
Pretty sure you're wrong here and what Silverback said is accurate. He either signs with the Steelers at the 2.7M tender or plays for "peanuts" and then gets franchised if they decide to go that route. I personally don't believe it comes to that as they want to lock him up with a respectable deal and then resign Brown next off season. Two moves that will sure up their receiving corp for a long, long time. The first round compensation situation went out the window before the draft.
Homotron said:
Pretty sure you're wrong here and what Silverback said is accurate. He either signs with the Steelers at the 2.7M tender or plays for "peanuts" and then gets franchised if they decide to go that route. I personally don't believe it comes to that as they want to lock him up with a respectable deal and then resign Brown next off season. Two moves that will sure up their receiving corp for a long, long time. The first round compensation situation went out the window before the draft.
I may be wrong here but i think what he was trying to say was to do a sign and trade type of deal. (Not sure even if this could be done at this time of year) Where shittsburg signs him to a deal that he'd worked out with the browns, then trade him to CLE. for future draft picks. I could be wrong but i think thats what he was tryin to get at.
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Homotron said:
Pretty sure you're wrong here and what Silverback said is accurate. He either signs with the Steelers at the 2.7M tender or plays for "peanuts" and then gets franchised if they decide to go that route. I personally don't believe it comes to that as they want to lock him up with a respectable deal and then resign Brown next off season. Two moves that will sure up their receiving corp for a long, long time. The first round compensation situation went out the window before the draft.
I may be wrong here but i think what he was trying to say was to do a sign and trade type of deal. (Not sure even if this could be done at this time of year) Where shittsburg signs him to a deal that he'd worked out with the browns, then trade him to CLE. for future draft picks. I could be wrong but i think thats what he was tryin to get at.
I may be wrong here but i think what he was trying to say was to do a sign and trade type of deal. (Not sure even if this could be done at this time of year) Where shittsburg signs him to a deal that he'd worked out with the browns, then trade him to CLE. for future draft picks. I could be wrong but i think thats what he was tryin to get at.
I don't think so but that could be what he meant. I took it as he thought the first round tender still applied and it doesn't, at least not as far as going to another team. The ball is 100% in the Steelers court. If he doesn't sign by a certain date he'll have to sign for 577k and still runs the risk of getting a franchise tag next season. If he's smart he'll continue to play the card he's playing now until they get closer to a respectable market value deal for a number 1 guy. He deserves that kind of money honestly. If he continues to play hardball to the point where he'll have to sign for 577k he's going to hurt himself in the long run.
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sorry....i see no possible way the steelers can or will tag him next year. this years tag was 9.4 mil....so even if it drops to 9 mil for some reason, the cap issues that were pushed out till next year will rear an even uglier head than this year. i've looked at the LB corps, ben, and brown in sufficient detail. suffice to say, it will either take at least 10 of the largest contracts to restructure (again, kicking the can down the street), letting brown walk (great for us), and trimming the rest of the overage fat thats still hanging around. so, dont act like its a done deal. you can't keep restructuring indefinitely, or you end up with a ton of dead money. its superbowl or bust for the steelers this year, then they gotta retool with the younger guys. khan may seem like a cap genius, but there really is some looming contract issues that he's been stalling on addressing.
its the little known secret in pitt sports.....khan really has no idea whats he's doing in the long run.
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How the fuck do you go from YOU ALL to YINZ?
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How the fuck do you go from YOU ALL to YINZ?
It is sort of the same thing, except in Pittsboigese.
As I see it, the term can be either a noun or a pronoun.
As a pronoun, it is simply used in place of the term "you". As in "Why didn't yinz take out the garbage like yinz was supposed to".
As a noun, it is actually more or less a replacement for "Pittsburgher" which is itself a kind of fucked up word to say. But by saying "All of Yinz", you are referring to the population of western PA.
To say "I'm a Yinzer" means I am from Pittsburgh.
We might say "I'm a Clevelander" or "I'm from the North Coast", or "I am a NEOpolitan" which is a new term I have heard for people from NorthEast Ohio.
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sorry....i see no possible way the steelers can or will tag him next year. this years tag was 9.4 mil....so even if it drops to 9 mil for some reason, the cap issues that were pushed out till next year will rear an even uglier head than this year. i've looked at the LB corps, ben, and brown in sufficient detail. suffice to say, it will either take at least 10 of the largest contracts to restructure (again, kicking the can down the street), letting brown walk (great for us), and trimming the rest of the overage fat thats still hanging around. so, dont act like its a done deal. you can't keep restructuring indefinitely, or you end up with a ton of dead money. its superbowl or bust for the steelers this year, then they gotta retool with the younger guys. khan may seem like a cap genius, but there really is some looming contract issues that he's been stalling on addressing.
its the little known secret in pitt sports.....khan really has no idea whats he's doing in the long run.
sorry....i see no possible way the steelers can or will tag him next year. this years tag was 9.4 mil....so even if it drops to 9 mil for some reason, the cap issues that were pushed out till next year will rear an even uglier head than this year. i've looked at the LB corps, ben, and brown in sufficient detail. suffice to say, it will either take at least 10 of the largest contracts to restructure (again, kicking the can down the street), letting brown walk (great for us), and trimming the rest of the overage fat thats still hanging around. so, dont act like its a done deal. you can't keep restructuring indefinitely, or you end up with a ton of dead money. its superbowl or bust for the steelers this year, then they gotta retool with the younger guys. khan may seem like a cap genius, but there really is some looming contract issues that he's been stalling on addressing.
its the little known secret in pitt sports.....khan really has no idea whats he's doing in the long run.
You're dead wrong on Omar Khan for one. He's been doing what he's doing for a long time and as a result I'm not worried about the cap. Things could 100% get a bit hairy but I expect Wallace to sign before the season starts and Brown to get extended when his time comes as well. I haven't heard ANYONE say it's "Super Bowl or bust" this year for the Steelers. They also draft far to well for the occasional tough cut (Farrior, Ward, Smith) to really harm the team. I 100% expect to see the restructures again if that ends up being necessary. Players WANT to play for the Steelers because they take care of their own, run a family type organization and win. Your little known secret is the first I've heard about it. He also only manages the cap for the Steelers so "Pitt sports" doesn't really apply.
EDIT: HOWEVER I'd have to be a bit delusional to assume playing as tight to the cap as we are right now may not become a problem. The cap does raise and players do get old. Hampton will likely be gone after this season unless he signs A VERY nice contract. He already took a flat out pay cut. Bottom line I'm not worried about the Steelers.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
Origination of "Yinz" a term that IS NOT widely used by all in Pittsburgh. My mom yells at my dad when he says it because it's terrible English.
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Why should'nt H&H sign him to a large contract, 8 years 50 million 20 mill guaranteed. Make the Steelers match or we get him and give up our first rounder next year? The guy is a stud and he could be the 1 receiver we are missing on offense who could grow with Weeden and Richardson. Don't crucify me, I am just coming up with some topics to discuss since things are slow this time of year.
Thomaspro
Why should'nt H&H sign him to a large contract, 8 years 50 million 20 mill guaranteed. Make the Steelers match or we get him and give up our first rounder next year? The guy is a stud and he could be the 1 receiver we are missing on offense who could grow with Weeden and Richardson. Don't crucify me, I am just coming up with some topics to discuss since things are slow this time of year.
Thomaspro
Too late for anyone else to sign him. He either signs tender or sits out. Steeler problem is that Brown is a RFA next year.
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sorry....i see no possible way the steelers can or will tag him next year. this years tag was 9.4 mil....so even if it drops to 9 mil for some reason, the cap issues that were pushed out till next year will rear an even uglier head than this year. i've looked at the LB corps, ben, and brown in sufficient detail. suffice to say, it will either take at least 10 of the largest contracts to restructure (again, kicking the can down the street), letting brown walk (great for us), and trimming the rest of the overage fat thats still hanging around. so, dont act like its a done deal. you can't keep restructuring indefinitely, or you end up with a ton of dead money. its superbowl or bust for the steelers this year, then they gotta retool with the younger guys. khan may seem like a cap genius, but there really is some looming contract issues that he's been stalling on addressing.
its the little known secret in pitt sports.....khan really has no idea whats he's doing in the long run.
You're dead wrong on Omar Khan for one. He's been doing what he's doing for a long time and as a result I'm not worried about the cap. Things could 100% get a bit hairy but I expect Wallace to sign before the season starts and Brown to get extended when his time comes as well. I haven't heard ANYONE say it's "Super Bowl or bust" this year for the Steelers. They also draft far to well for the occasional tough cut (Farrior, Ward, Smith) to really harm the team. I 100% expect to see the restructures again if that ends up being necessary. Players WANT to play for the Steelers because they take care of their own, run a family type organization and win. Your little known secret is the first I've heard about it. He also only manages the cap for the Steelers so "Pitt sports" doesn't really apply.
EDIT: HOWEVER I'd have to be a bit delusional to assume playing as tight to the cap as we are right now may not become a problem. The cap does raise and players do get old. Hampton will likely be gone after this season unless he signs A VERY nice contract. He already took a flat out pay cut. Bottom line I'm not worried about the Steelers.
Homotron said:
You're dead wrong on Omar Khan for one. He's been doing what he's doing for a long time and as a result I'm not worried about the cap. Things could 100% get a bit hairy but I expect Wallace to sign before the season starts and Brown to get extended when his time comes as well. I haven't heard ANYONE say it's "Super Bowl or bust" this year for the Steelers. They also draft far to well for the occasional tough cut (Farrior, Ward, Smith) to really harm the team. I 100% expect to see the restructures again if that ends up being necessary. Players WANT to play for the Steelers because they take care of their own, run a family type organization and win. Your little known secret is the first I've heard about it. He also only manages the cap for the Steelers so "Pitt sports" doesn't really apply.
EDIT: HOWEVER I'd have to be a bit delusional to assume playing as tight to the cap as we are right now may not become a problem. The cap does raise and players do get old. Hampton will likely be gone after this season unless he signs A VERY nice contract. He already took a flat out pay cut. Bottom line I'm not worried about the Steelers.
i suspect if you really understood what khans doing, you'd be a bit concerned. however, this really does illustrate my only real issue with steeler fans.
you assume that since things have been going good, they will continue.if you could just keep kicking the can down the road and everything would be fine, why isn't this practice more widely used? there's one here or there, but it seems the steelers rely on this tactic every year just to keep the core team together. colbert, having made several bad contract deals and subsequently overspending, has to rely on fuzzy math by khan. this cannot continue, which is why i said SB or bust. its fine to assume some contracts will be terminated, while at the same time, others will be signed. but this current team has one maybe 2 more years before the major purge and retooling.
honestly, im not surprised your not worried. you live in a vacuum, and not everyone can grasp the cap, or even care. but if you think what khan doing is sustainable, you're in for a rude awakening.
have a read....
in a nutshell, your converting salary to signing bonus. signing bonus get prorated over the life of the contract, even if the contract is terminated. point being, you are reserving greater and greater amount of future cap to get under the current cap, while restricting the amount you have available for new contracts. also, all those pro-rated bonus escalate when the contract is terminated....so if one of those players goes down, or gets cut, you still own that money regardless.
so why wouldn't players flock to khans office? they get money guaranteed to be paid years later up front. less risk due to injury, more money now.
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Homotron said:
You're dead wrong on Omar Khan for one. He's been doing what he's doing for a long time and as a result I'm not worried about the cap. Things could 100% get a bit hairy but I expect Wallace to sign before the season starts and Brown to get extended when his time comes as well. I haven't heard ANYONE say it's "Super Bowl or bust" this year for the Steelers. They also draft far to well for the occasional tough cut (Farrior, Ward, Smith) to really harm the team. I 100% expect to see the restructures again if that ends up being necessary. Players WANT to play for the Steelers because they take care of their own, run a family type organization and win. Your little known secret is the first I've heard about it. He also only manages the cap for the Steelers so "Pitt sports" doesn't really apply.
EDIT: HOWEVER I'd have to be a bit delusional to assume playing as tight to the cap as we are right now may not become a problem. The cap does raise and players do get old. Hampton will likely be gone after this season unless he signs A VERY nice contract. He already took a flat out pay cut. Bottom line I'm not worried about the Steelers.
i suspect if you really understood what khans doing, you'd be a bit concerned. however, this really does illustrate my only real issue with steeler fans.
you assume that since things have been going good, they will continue.if you could just keep kicking the can down the road and everything would be fine, why isn't this practice more widely used? there's one here or there, but it seems the steelers rely on this tactic every year just to keep the core team together. colbert, having made several bad contract deals and subsequently overspending, has to rely on fuzzy math by khan. this cannot continue, which is why i said SB or bust. its fine to assume some contracts will be terminated, while at the same time, others will be signed. but this current team has one maybe 2 more years before the major purge and retooling.
honestly, im not surprised your not worried. you live in a vacuum, and not everyone can grasp the cap, or even care. but if you think what khan doing is sustainable, you're in for a rude awakening.
have a read....
in a nutshell, your converting salary to signing bonus. signing bonus get prorated over the life of the contract, even if the contract is terminated. point being, you are reserving greater and greater amount of future cap to get under the current cap, while restricting the amount you have available for new contracts. also, all those pro-rated bonus escalate when the contract is terminated....so if one of those players goes down, or gets cut, you still own that money regardless.
so why wouldn't players flock to khans office? they get money guaranteed to be paid years later up front. less risk due to injury, more money now.
i suspect if you really understood what khans doing, you'd be a bit concerned. however, this really does illustrate my only real issue with steeler fans.
you assume that since things have been going good, they will continue.if you could just keep kicking the can down the road and everything would be fine, why isn't this practice more widely used? there's one here or there, but it seems the steelers rely on this tactic every year just to keep the core team together. colbert, having made several bad contract deals and subsequently overspending, has to rely on fuzzy math by khan. this cannot continue, which is why i said SB or bust. its fine to assume some contracts will be terminated, while at the same time, others will be signed. but this current team has one maybe 2 more years before the major purge and retooling.
honestly, im not surprised your not worried. you live in a vacuum, and not everyone can grasp the cap, or even care. but if you think what khan doing is sustainable, you're in for a rude awakening.
have a read....
in a nutshell, your converting salary to signing bonus. signing bonus get prorated over the life of the contract, even if the contract is terminated. point being, you are reserving greater and greater amount of future cap to get under the current cap, while restricting the amount you have available for new contracts. also, all those pro-rated bonus escalate when the contract is terminated....so if one of those players goes down, or gets cut, you still own that money regardless.
so why wouldn't players flock to khans office? they get money guaranteed to be paid years later up front. less risk due to injury, more money now.
I don't understand what he's doing? It's pretty damn clear and when necessary the tough cuts will be made. (Farrior, Smith, Ward) Do you really think the Rooney's would allow Khan to run the team in to the ground? for the sake of winning now and enduring a extended period of rebuilding? It's just not going to happen, they're also restructuring because they were asked to restructure. It's really a matter of you trying to "sleep better at night",
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
i suspect if you really understood what khans doing, you'd be a bit concerned. however, this really does illustrate my only real issue with steeler fans.
you assume that since things have been going good, they will continue.if you could just keep kicking the can down the road and everything would be fine, why isn't this practice more widely used? there's one here or there, but it seems the steelers rely on this tactic every year just to keep the core team together. colbert, having made several bad contract deals and subsequently overspending, has to rely on fuzzy math by khan. this cannot continue, which is why i said SB or bust. its fine to assume some contracts will be terminated, while at the same time, others will be signed. but this current team has one maybe 2 more years before the major purge and retooling.
honestly, im not surprised your not worried. you live in a vacuum, and not everyone can grasp the cap, or even care. but if you think what khan doing is sustainable, you're in for a rude awakening.
have a read....
in a nutshell, your converting salary to signing bonus. signing bonus get prorated over the life of the contract, even if the contract is terminated. point being, you are reserving greater and greater amount of future cap to get under the current cap, while restricting the amount you have available for new contracts. also, all those pro-rated bonus escalate when the contract is terminated....so if one of those players goes down, or gets cut, you still own that money regardless.
so why wouldn't players flock to khans office? they get money guaranteed to be paid years later up front. less risk due to injury, more money now.
I don't understand what he's doing? It's pretty damn clear and when necessary the tough cuts will be made. (Farrior, Smith, Ward) Do you really think the Rooney's would allow Khan to run the team in to the ground? for the sake of winning now and enduring a extended period of rebuilding? It's just not going to happen, they're also restructuring because they were asked to restructure. It's really a matter of you trying to "sleep better at night",
Homotron said:
I don't understand what he's doing? It's pretty damn clear and when necessary the tough cuts will be made. (Farrior, Smith, Ward) Do you really think the Rooney's would allow Khan to run the team in to the ground? for the sake of winning now and enduring a extended period of rebuilding? It's just not going to happen, they're also restructuring because they were asked to restructure. It's really a matter of you trying to "sleep better at night",
It sounds like you're just trying to convince yourself.
Teams have to rebuild, you won't be on top forever.
Every dawg has his day. Our will come soon enough, and you can rest assured knowing that we'll have four times the class as the rest of the Stooler fan base when it's our day to shine.
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