This May Be Stupid, But
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You are in error sir.Because the opposing team always had fantastic field position, they didn't have to go very far to score, hence the low yardage (allowed by the defense).
Simple statistics document that the opposite is true.
CLE was 10th in Yards Allowed.
CLE was 5th in Points Allowed.
Yards allowed means little to me coz it's points that win / lose games.
2011 Defenses in Points Allowed:
1. PIT
2. SF
3. BAL
4. HOU
5. CLE
Please notice that the top 4 were all playoff teams.
So, yes, CLE has had a playoff quality defense over the past two seasons.
The defense actually got incrementally better over the past three seasons.
But the offense, which was improving under Mangini / Hillis, has been terrible and even got a bit worse under Shurmer.
So please focus on Points Scored or Points Allowed and not Yardage.
Yardage is the measure of an individuals accomplishments.
Points are the measurement of a teams accomplishments.
To the topic: No, not this year with a rookie QB, one of the toughest schedules, and Shurmer.
PIT with their #1 defense were #21 in points scored by their shitty Bruce Arians offense.
That should give you some perspective of what it takes to make it to the Wildcard game.
You are in error sir.
Simple statistics document that the opposite is true.
CLE was 10th in Yards Allowed.
CLE was 5th in Points Allowed.
Yards allowed means little to me coz it's points that win / lose games.
2011 Defenses in Points Allowed:
1. PIT
2. SF
3. BAL
4. HOU
5. CLE
Please notice that the top 4 were all playoff teams.
So, yes, CLE has had a playoff quality defense over the past two seasons.
The defense actually got incrementally better over the past three seasons.
But the offense, which was improving under Mangini / Hillis, has been terrible and even got a bit worse under Shurmer.
So please focus on Points Scored or Points Allowed and not Yardage.
Yardage is the measure of an individuals accomplishments.
Points are the measurement of a teams accomplishments.
To the topic: No, not this year with a rookie QB, one of the toughest schedules, and Shurmer.
PIT with their #1 defense were #21 in points scored by their shitty Bruce Arians offense.
That should give you some perspective of what it takes to make it to the Wildcard game.
I was being sarcastic, but thank you for looking up the stats.
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Per ColdHardFootballFacts, the main thing Cleveland needs is a top QB.. and with Weeden we now have the second-best QB in the AFCN.
We can do well with average WR's if we have a top QB.. just look at the WR's for the Patriots. The Gints don't have Nicks [the WR they took in the first round] this coming season due to injury, but watch their passing game not miss a beat. Running game isn't that important - the Giants run game this past season was the worst in nearly 20 years for a SB champ, but the domination of the Giant OL, DL and QB play were the key.
Build a champion with the lines and a QB - it's been the same since football started!
Bart Starr won the 1966 NFL championship with no running game because the Cowboys had the defense to stuff it. Starr's line from that game: 19 of 28 (67.9%), 304 yards, 10.9 YPA, 4 TD, 0 INT, 143.5 passer rating.. and this was when DB's could do anything. He won the SB against the AFL the following week, but that was anticlimactic compared to the Landry defenses of the 60's.
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Per ColdHardFootballFacts, the main thing Cleveland needs is a top QB.. and with Weeden we now have the second-best QB in the AFCN.
We can do well with average WR's if we have a top QB.. just look at the WR's for the Patriots. The Gints don't have Nicks [the WR they took in the first round] this coming season due to injury, but watch their passing game not miss a beat. Running game isn't that important - the Giants run game this past season was the worst in nearly 20 years for a SB champ, but the domination of the Giant OL, DL and QB play were the key.
Build a champion with the lines and a QB - it's been the same since football started!
Bart Starr won the 1966 NFL championship with no running game because the Cowboys had the defense to stuff it. Starr's line from that game: 19 of 28 (67.9%), 304 yards, 10.9 YPA, 4 TD, 0 INT, 143.5 passer rating.. and this was when DB's could do anything. He won the SB against the AFL the following week, but that was anticlimactic compared to the Landry defenses of the 60's.
Per ColdHardFootballFacts, the main thing Cleveland needs is a top QB.. and with Weeden we now have the second-best QB in the AFCN.
We can do well with average WR's if we have a top QB.. just look at the WR's for the Patriots. The Gints don't have Nicks [the WR they took in the first round] this coming season due to injury, but watch their passing game not miss a beat. Running game isn't that important - the Giants run game this past season was the worst in nearly 20 years for a SB champ, but the domination of the Giant OL, DL and QB play were the key.
Build a champion with the lines and a QB - it's been the same since football started!
Bart Starr won the 1966 NFL championship with no running game because the Cowboys had the defense to stuff it. Starr's line from that game: 19 of 28 (67.9%), 304 yards, 10.9 YPA, 4 TD, 0 INT, 143.5 passer rating.. and this was when DB's could do anything. He won the SB against the AFL the following week, but that was anticlimactic compared to the Landry defenses of the 60's.
You can't throw out stats while also suggesting a QB with no NFL stats whatsoever (Weeden) is better then those that do. As it stands statistically, we have the worst QB in the division. Weeden has not been given an opportunity to prove himself, therefore nobody can logically prove that he is in fact the 2nd best QB in the division. If you don't believe me, please take a shot at proving me wrong. It's a little ridiculous that myself, an OSU alum, has to be the voice of reason concerning one of the greatest QB's in our school's history on, of all pro football teams, my favorite.
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gafreleets, the fact that you have an account on a rival board proves my point. Your post count average is really pretty insignificant.
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You are in error sir.
Simple statistics document that the opposite is true.
CLE was 10th in Yards Allowed.
CLE was 5th in Points Allowed.
Yards allowed means little to me coz it's points that win / lose games.
2011 Defenses in Points Allowed:
1. PIT
2. SF
3. BAL
4. HOU
5. CLE
Please notice that the top 4 were all playoff teams.
So, yes, CLE has had a playoff quality defense over the past two seasons.
The defense actually got incrementally better over the past three seasons.
But the offense, which was improving under Mangini / Hillis, has been terrible and even got a bit worse under Shurmer.
So please focus on Points Scored or Points Allowed and not Yardage.
Yardage is the measure of an individuals accomplishments.
Points are the measurement of a teams accomplishments.
To the topic: No, not this year with a rookie QB, one of the toughest schedules, and Shurmer.
PIT with their #1 defense were #21 in points scored by their shitty Bruce Arians offense.
That should give you some perspective of what it takes to make it to the Wildcard game.
I was being sarcastic, but thank you for looking up the stats.
That's cool too.I was being sarcastic, but thank you for looking up the stats.
Generally, I see alotta negativity on this forum.
The result of that negativity is that many fans never realize how good that defense is.
Furthermore, nobody seemed to know, nor care that CLE had statistically been improving in virtually every category, on both sides of the ball under Mangini. Then the defense continued to improve in 2011.
So, all in all, you have three seasons of consistent improvement on defense to the point that CLE's defense is keeping the team in games 'till the offense finally screws things up beyond hope in the 4th.
Still, Shurmer and a rookie QB will keep CLE out of the post season again this time.
Consider the Ravens, They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable are you to God than the Ravens? Book of Luke, Chapter 12, Verse 24. -
You're just jealous.
yeah, that's it.
i mean DAMN! why can't my team reach epic levels of suck-titude that the browns have obtained for the past quarter century?
congrats, you have the second worst professional team in all of sports besides the pirates (and it could be EASILY argued that you have the WORST team due to the fact that the NFL has a salary cap).
why can't my team reach epic levels of suck-titude that the browns have obtained for the past quarter century?
dont be so modest, gaff!! ur team is our benchmark and mentor, having achieved it for a half century prior to the Steelers' ahead-of-the-curve implementation of steroids into the NFL!! ur so humble >> it's ok to brag a lil bit!! i know Steeler fever gets u all hot-n-stuff but ur among friends here Bud!!
i preferred ur 1st post in the thread much better...prior to the asinine response on the scroll down.
good to see you though!
great bukakes simply cannot exist without satisfying targets to shoot on.
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P.S. sorry for the late response, Nuevo Vallarta wifi leaves a lot to be desired.
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That's cool too.I was being sarcastic, but thank you for looking up the stats.
Generally, I see alotta negativity on this forum.
The result of that negativity is that many fans never realize how good that defense is.
Furthermore, nobody seemed to know, nor care that CLE had statistically been improving in virtually every category, on both sides of the ball under Mangini. Then the defense continued to improve in 2011.
So, all in all, you have three seasons of consistent improvement on defense to the point that CLE's defense is keeping the team in games 'till the offense finally screws things up beyond hope in the 4th.
Still, Shurmer and a rookie QB will keep CLE out of the post season again this time.
That's cool too.
Generally, I see alotta negativity on this forum.
The result of that negativity is that many fans never realize how good that defense is.
The cause of that negativity is losing. Our negativity in that regard doesn't mean a cabbage fart to how the team...offense or defense, plays. Win and the negativity will go away.
Furthermore, nobody seemed to know, nor care that CLE had statistically been improving in virtually every category, on both sides of the ball under Mangini. Then the defense continued to improve in 2011.
So, all in all, you have three seasons of consistent improvement on defense to the point that CLE's defense is keeping the team in games 'till the offense finally screws things up beyond hope in the 4th.
Still, Shurmer and a rookie QB will keep CLE out of the post season again this time.
I suspect you are right. No one here I do not believe is realistically expecting a playoff bid. We do expect vast improvement however....including on the defense, which was still in like the bottom 5 in rush defense.
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Okay...so I have read enough of people bad mouthing this defense. All we hear is how bad they are yet, as already stated, they were a top 10 defense in total yardage. The excuse has been made that the low yardage is due to teams getting great field position and not having to go far to score. If that is so, then explain the fact that the Browns had the #5 scoring defense. Only 4 teams in the league gave up fewer ppg last season. Bottom line is that the defense was very good...and would have been even better if the offense would have allowed them a little breathing room. It seemed like the D was always on the field. If, and it is a big if, Weeden is the franchise QB he is touted to be, then the offense should have more time on the field and will make the defense even better this year...although the loss of Taylor will hurt for sure. I am not predicting playoffs, but this team really should be a lot better than what we have suffered through lately.
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Okay...so I have read enough of people bad mouthing this defense. All we hear is how bad they are yet, as already stated, they were a top 10 defense in total yardage. The excuse has been made that the low yardage is due to teams getting great field position and not having to go far to score. If that is so, then explain the fact that the Browns had the #5 scoring defense. Only 4 teams in the league gave up fewer ppg last season. Bottom line is that the defense was very good...and would have been even better if the offense would have allowed them a little breathing room. It seemed like the D was always on the field. If, and it is a big if, Weeden is the franchise QB he is touted to be, then the offense should have more time on the field and will make the defense even better this year...although the loss of Taylor will hurt for sure. I am not predicting playoffs, but this team really should be a lot better than what we have suffered through lately.
Okay...so I have read enough of people bad mouthing this defense. All we hear is how bad they are yet, as already stated, they were a top 10 defense in total yardage. The excuse has been made that the low yardage is due to teams getting great field position and not having to go far to score. If that is so, then explain the fact that the Browns had the #5 scoring defense. Only 4 teams in the league gave up fewer ppg last season. Bottom line is that the defense was very good...and would have been even better if the offense would have allowed them a little breathing room. It seemed like the D was always on the field. If, and it is a big if, Weeden is the franchise QB he is touted to be, then the offense should have more time on the field and will make the defense even better this year...although the loss of Taylor will hurt for sure. I am not predicting playoffs, but this team really should be a lot better than what we have suffered through lately.
The pass defense and points allowed were so low because our opponents didn't need to pass or score a lot to beat us. The game plan against us was pretty simple, run the ball and make our offense beat you. I believe our run defense was ranked 30th last year and the offense speaks for itself. Until our offense can put points on the board and force opposing offenses to actually throw the ball, we'll never know if our defense is elite/top 10.
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gafreleets, I think many would envy the amount of free time you apparently have, but yet many would scoff at how poorly you use it.
post per day average: .48
yeah, i spend SO much time here.
think before you open that flap on your face.
post per day average: .48
yeah, i spend SO much time here.
think before you open that flap on your face.
My post per day average on any Steeler forum, ever: 0.00
I win, dickfart.
What was the contest again?
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post per day average: .48 gafshiet
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And yet, you stink up our this forum with most all your posts.
You are probly' so proud....
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