Confessions of a Turncoat Jet Fan
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Yea, welcome to the board, you'll learn a whole new definition of heartbreak.
I found your comment about some fans secretly being Ravens fans humorous. I wonder if most people outside of Cleveland believe this. At any rate, its hardly the case, at least for myself. I've hated the Ravens because of Art, and since he's out of the picture, I hate them because of Ray Lewis and they play in our division. After he retires, I'm sure I'll find a new person to fill my hatred role but I always keep an open mind, who knows, maybe I'll view them like I do Cincinnatti, I feel sorry for them.
I'm also pretty interested in your views on Mangini, especially the offensive gameplanning. I like how he used Leon Washington and I think Cribbs is going to be used the same way.
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I find this interesting as I have a friend that was a long-time die hard Lions fan until he finally had enough. To pick his new team, he wanted it to be chosen for him, as it was when he was born into being a Lions fan. So instead of picking a team that he already had an affection for, he placed helmet cut-outs on a dart board and blindfolded himself. And he has since been a Colts fan. This was before they became good - back in the mid-1990's. Yet he is more of a die-hard Colts fan than he ever was a Lions fan because for whatever reason, the Lions never clicked within him.
So - I welcome you and hope that the Browns 'click' with you. And hopefully someday soon the Browns will treat you the same way that the Colts did my friend and turn things around!
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You're not a "turncoat" Jets fan here, you are a NEW BROWNS FAN. As long as you are a fan of the TEAM, you're welcome here. Welcome aboard!
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So here i am writing on a Cleveland Browns message board, something i thought unimaginable at one point in time. Not because of the browns, but because i don't even post on the Jets message boards more than once a year (although i read what Jet fans right on a daily basis because of my sick addiction to the jets). Anyway I'll get to my point quick, Jet fans suck. Their owner sucks and their fans (at least most of the long island fans) are rude and ignorant people. While I've always rooted for the team because i had older step brothers who converted me in 1985 from a 7 year old Redskins fan, i have never loved the fans. Now their owner makes a money driven idiotic move and fires a guy who would have been the face of the franchise for a decade if he was given time to develop himself. But he wasn't, he was used as a sacrificial lamb to explain away the fact that the Jets were a disaster down the stretch mostly because of a complete lack of offensive game. Although I'm sure I'll watch them again, I'm mentally done with the Jets. As a Brewer fan i have always liked Cleveland, (remember your run at Miller Park?) so its not a stretch to start rooting for the Browns, plus lets face it, how many people of a high sports intellect are running to jump over to the Browns bandwagon right now? so i feel i can get in on the ground floor, after all, aren't some of you secret Raven fans pissed you were robbed of your entire squad? So if you'll welcome me in, I'll give you my 2 cents about Mangini and what i know about the game, i reported for multiple papers and online outlets including Yahoo Sports and KFFL so i do carry some credentials. I know a lot about Mangini and his staff to be and I'm happy to start talking football with a new group of dedicated passionate (and usually disappointed) fans such as myself. So lets talk some Browns football and maybe you can help break my addiction of the Jets.
Feedback Welcomed and Encouraged:
JetsTurncoat
So here i am writing on a Cleveland Browns message board, something i thought unimaginable at one point in time. Not because of the browns, but because i don't even post on the Jets message boards more than once a year (although i read what Jet fans right on a daily basis because of my sick addiction to the jets). Anyway I'll get to my point quick, Jet fans suck. Their owner sucks and their fans (at least most of the long island fans) are rude and ignorant people. While I've always rooted for the team because i had older step brothers who converted me in 1985 from a 7 year old Redskins fan, i have never loved the fans. Now their owner makes a money driven idiotic move and fires a guy who would have been the face of the franchise for a decade if he was given time to develop himself. But he wasn't, he was used as a sacrificial lamb to explain away the fact that the Jets were a disaster down the stretch mostly because of a complete lack of offensive game. Although I'm sure I'll watch them again, I'm mentally done with the Jets. As a Brewer fan i have always liked Cleveland, (remember your run at Miller Park?) so its not a stretch to start rooting for the Browns, plus lets face it, how many people of a high sports intellect are running to jump over to the Browns bandwagon right now? so i feel i can get in on the ground floor, after all, aren't some of you secret Raven fans pissed you were robbed of your entire squad? So if you'll welcome me in, I'll give you my 2 cents about Mangini and what i know about the game, i reported for multiple papers and online outlets including Yahoo Sports and KFFL so i do carry some credentials. I know a lot about Mangini and his staff to be and I'm happy to start talking football with a new group of dedicated passionate (and usually disappointed) fans such as myself. So lets talk some Browns football and maybe you can help break my addiction of the Jets.
Feedback Welcomed and Encouraged:
JetsTurncoat
Intelligent commentary is welcomed here.
Waiting to hear your take on Mangini- I agree it was Farve or Mangini, and the Jets owner made the wrong choice. Farve is a quick fix- not the long term solution at qb. And I concur about your take on Jets fans- they were pretty obnoxious in the memorable '86 playoff game, until Kosar beat them in double OT. We actually tailgated with a bunch of Jets fans a couple of years ago- but I'll let Stan comment about their behavior, because I couldn't make it to that game.
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So here i am writing on a Cleveland Browns message board, something i thought unimaginable at one point in time. Not because of the browns, but because i don't even post on the Jets message boards more than once a year (although i read what Jet fans right on a daily basis because of my sick addiction to the jets). Anyway I'll get to my point quick, Jet fans suck. Their owner sucks and their fans (at least most of the long island fans) are rude and ignorant people. While I've always rooted for the team because i had older step brothers who converted me in 1985 from a 7 year old Redskins fan, i have never loved the fans. Now their owner makes a money driven idiotic move and fires a guy who would have been the face of the franchise for a decade if he was given time to develop himself. But he wasn't, he was used as a sacrificial lamb to explain away the fact that the Jets were a disaster down the stretch mostly because of a complete lack of offensive game. Although I'm sure I'll watch them again, I'm mentally done with the Jets. As a Brewer fan i have always liked Cleveland, (remember your run at Miller Park?) so its not a stretch to start rooting for the Browns, plus lets face it, how many people of a high sports intellect are running to jump over to the Browns bandwagon right now? so i feel i can get in on the ground floor, after all, aren't some of you secret Raven fans pissed you were robbed of your entire squad? So if you'll welcome me in, I'll give you my 2 cents about Mangini and what i know about the game, i reported for multiple papers and online outlets including Yahoo Sports and KFFL so i do carry some credentials. I know a lot about Mangini and his staff to be and I'm happy to start talking football with a new group of dedicated passionate (and usually disappointed) fans such as myself. So lets talk some Browns football and maybe you can help break my addiction of the Jets.
Feedback Welcomed and Encouraged:
JetsTurncoat
Intelligent commentary is welcomed here.
Waiting to hear your take on Mangini- I agree it was Farve or Mangini, and the Jets owner made the wrong choice. Farve is a quick fix- not the long term solution at qb. And I concur about your take on Jets fans- they were pretty obnoxious in the memorable '86 playoff game, until Kosar beat them in double OT. We actually tailgated with a bunch of Jets fans a couple of years ago- but I'll let Stan comment about their behavior, because I couldn't make it to that game.
Intelligent commentary is welcomed here.
Waiting to hear your take on Mangini- I agree it was Farve or Mangini, and the Jets owner made the wrong choice. Farve is a quick fix- not the long term solution at qb.
And I concur about your take on Jets fans- they were pretty obnoxious in the memorable '86 playoff game, until Kosar beat them in double OT. We actually tailgated with a bunch of Jets fans a couple of years ago- but I'll let Stan comment about their behavior, because I couldn't make it to that game.
Does one need to be a football "guru", to post on this board?
I think not. I believe all Browns fans are welcome, regardless how much of a PITA some are. Anyway, welcome to the board. -
Welcome to the board, but are you sure your ready for the pain and agony that comes with being a Browns fan. Its not an easy task.
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Welcome to the board and happy to hear the Browns got a new fan.
Most will agree here that hiring Mangini was a good move. There is a lot of raw talent on this team (Josh Cribbs, Jerome Harrison, etc) and I think Mangini has the personality to expose their skills much better than Romeo, who earned a rapport as a stubborn veteran's coach.
Welcome to the board and happy to hear the Browns got a new fan.
Most will agree here that hiring Mangini was a good move. There is a lot of raw talent on this team (Josh Cribbs, Jerome Harrison, etc) and I think Mangini has the personality to expose their skills much better than Romeo, who earned a rapport as a stubborn veteran's coach.
Lumbergh? Is that you?
Anyone know if Mangini has ANY ties to Oregon?
(j/k - welcome aboard).
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Man, it's the definition of a lateral move going from the Jets to the Browns.
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I wonder if Oregon kicked Lums out so now he's terrorizing us?
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So here i am writing on a Cleveland Browns message board, something i thought unimaginable at one point in time. Not because of the browns, but because i don't even post on the Jets message boards more than once a year (although i read what Jet fans right on a daily basis because of my sick addiction to the jets). Anyway I'll get to my point quick, Jet fans suck. Their owner sucks and their fans (at least most of the long island fans) are rude and ignorant people. While I've always rooted for the team because i had older step brothers who converted me in 1985 from a 7 year old Redskins fan, i have never loved the fans. Now their owner makes a money driven idiotic move and fires a guy who would have been the face of the franchise for a decade if he was given time to develop himself. But he wasn't, he was used as a sacrificial lamb to explain away the fact that the Jets were a disaster down the stretch mostly because of a complete lack of offensive game. Although I'm sure I'll watch them again, I'm mentally done with the Jets. As a Brewer fan i have always liked Cleveland, (remember your run at Miller Park?) so its not a stretch to start rooting for the Browns, plus lets face it, how many people of a high sports intellect are running to jump over to the Browns bandwagon right now? so i feel i can get in on the ground floor, after all, aren't some of you secret Raven fans pissed you were robbed of your entire squad? So if you'll welcome me in, I'll give you my 2 cents about Mangini and what i know about the game, i reported for multiple papers and online outlets including Yahoo Sports and KFFL so i do carry some credentials. I know a lot about Mangini and his staff to be and I'm happy to start talking football with a new group of dedicated passionate (and usually disappointed) fans such as myself. So lets talk some Browns football and maybe you can help break my addiction of the Jets.
Feedback Welcomed and Encouraged:
JetsTurncoat
Intelligent commentary is welcomed here.
Waiting to hear your take on Mangini- I agree it was Farve or Mangini, and the Jets owner made the wrong choice. Farve is a quick fix- not the long term solution at qb. And I concur about your take on Jets fans- they were pretty obnoxious in the memorable '86 playoff game, until Kosar beat them in double OT. We actually tailgated with a bunch of Jets fans a couple of years ago- but I'll let Stan comment about their behavior, because I couldn't make it to that game.
And I concur about your take on Jets fans- they were pretty obnoxious in the memorable '86 playoff game, until Kosar beat them in double OT. We actually tailgated with a bunch of Jets fans a couple of years ago- but I'll let Stan comment about their behavior, because I couldn't make it to that game.
They were a blast and are welcome back anytime. In fact, the Browns played the Jets the following season in NY, and they invited us to join their pregame party. Unfortunately, none of us could make that trip.
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Welcome to the board.
Here is my take: I am always leary of a fan who is now on his 3rd NFL team (first the Redskins, then the JETS, now the Browns.)
Not saying you're not allowed to switch. But as a Browns fan, I would never, ever think of ditching my team. It is not about thinking, I just can't do it. Not that I tried - I can't bring myself to even try. For some reason it is not an option.
Never will be.
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@winslow-s-urologist said:
Browns fans love to rip on "bandwagon" Steeler fans, but will gladly accept a new hopper on their own wagon. Typical.Yeah, welcome!
You're considered "bandwagon" fan when you start liking a team because they are winning. So if he wants to become a Browns fan I guess we can refer to him as a "paddy wagon" fan since you should be hauled away for wanting to root for this team.
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@winslow-s-urologist said:
Browns fans love to rip on "bandwagon" Steeler fans, but will gladly accept a new hopper on their own wagon. Typical.Yeah, welcome!
What "hopper on to our wagon?" What wagon? Are you stoned? When you're good, that is when it is considered a "bandwagon."
You know, like when you started liking the urine and black.
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Man, it's the definition of a lateral move going from the Jets to the Browns.
Maybe I'm just a crazy Browns fan, but the way I see it there are a few key differences. As a youthful 38 year-old making a strong name for himself in the league, a new chance to settle down somewhere and build a dynasty whilst making a fresh start in the place where he first got his beginnings under BB, with the chance to be the one to return Cleveland to greatness..... a rookie hometown QB w/ 2 years NFL experience and a franchise LT already in place....Phil Dawson kicking excellent and seemingly getting better every year.... a franchise nose tackle already in place and coming off a pro bowl year....with his understudy Ahtyba Rubin the prototypical nose already in place behind him, in his 2nd year, learning behind Rogers every snap......and those corners bawl hawking abilities--B-mac tied for 5th in the league w/ 5 ints after 17 starts,....among other things. Quinn, Hall, EW & BM, D'Q & KW, and many others are still clay to be molded....while K2, BE, Harrison, Cribbs, Joe T, Eric S, all signs look like they're all on the other side of their growing pains and adjusted to the NFL. Most of this teams starters are in years 5-6 mileage and experience-wise, not really young or old. I see them on the verge of breaking out.
Not to oversimplify the game, but aren't all of the aforementioned pieces usually the most difficult? In all fairness I'm not familiar to the Jet counterparts to these but it seems like for a 3-4 guy, we are a nice fit for him, especially right now. He can walk in, slightly tweak, and come out looking like the total hero.
And if he has looked closely he knows there are about 7 or 8 starters returning from IR. YAHTZEE!! How often does that happen? (Camp might beat the shit out of guys like Peek, Heiden, & Tucker though.)
It's becoming to where they need to move toward more mud in the NFL just to slow down the game and extend players streaks between injuries.
I bet Mangini's been sleeping like a baby these past few days--probably doesn't stop grinning when he's awake. Right now the Brown's organization is turnkey and just entering it's prime. It's not yet a winner but it's on the brink. And that's inside arguably the hardest division in the NFL.
Cleveland plays on grass, outside, and has strong special teams. It gets cold here and you see every type of weather during the season.
The history of the early Browns towers above Jet history and the city and fans here speak for themselves as well.
Honestly, for someone only 38 I don't know if it gets any more ideal. If it works out he could be here forever.
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OK, well while some of you discuss band wagons, I'd like to ask a question.
When I heard about Mangini, I went to the Jets board to look and see what the fans said about him. I didn't like what I saw. From what I read, a lot of people were happy to see him leave. There were remarks about his inability to learn from his mistakes and his mismanagement of the clock. Do you feel these are valid concerns or were the Jets fans still huffy about the Seahawks game and missing the playoffs?
I do like to hear Mangini is a no-nonsense guy... I think certain wide receivers and tight ends :cough: might benefit from having a head coach with more tenacity than a teddy bear.
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OK, well while some of you discuss band wagons, I'd like to ask a question.
When I heard about Mangini, I went to the Jets board to look and see what the fans said about him. I didn't like what I saw. From what I read, a lot of people were happy to see him leave. There were remarks about his inability to learn from his mistakes and his mismanagement of the clock. Do you feel these are valid concerns or were the Jets fans still huffy about the Seahawks game and missing the playoffs?
I do like to hear Mangini is a no-nonsense guy... I think certain wide receivers and tight ends :cough: might benefit from having a head coach with more tenacity than a teddy bear.
OK, well while some of you discuss band wagons, I'd like to ask a question.
When I heard about Mangini, I went to the Jets board to look and see what the fans said about him. I didn't like what I saw. From what I read, a lot of people were happy to see him leave. There were remarks about his inability to learn from his mistakes and his mismanagement of the clock. Do you feel these are valid concerns or were the Jets fans still huffy about the Seahawks game and missing the playoffs?
I do like to hear Mangini is a no-nonsense guy... I think certain wide receivers and tight ends :cough: might benefit from having a head coach with more tenacity than a teddy bear.
mangini has made a few mistakes, but he is no herm edwards 2.0. he is one of the smartest coaches in the leauge, jets fans were absolutely in love with him after the tennesee game, and were wanting to butcher him after the 49er game next week, new york jets fans are obnoxious little fags specialy the ones from east coast
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NY is a VERY tough place to coach in. Literally, one week you're a star and next week the town sacrifice.
VERY VOLATILE fans. Jets fans even more than Giants fans, but neither have much patience for weak outcomes.
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Man, it's the definition of a lateral move going from the Jets to the Browns.
When i was born in washington DC i was a brief fan of the Redskins until i was 6, my dad then moved, divorced my mom and married a woman who had two children, both of whom were Jet fans, before the days of direct TV you could only watch your local games so it was either root for the skins and never see them (made very little sense to me) root for the giants who i grew up hating, or root for a team i could watch, whose fans also hated the giants, along with my new step kin and thus i became a Jets fan. That year by the way was 1985 just a year before i watched the Kosar drive (which by the way Jet fans refer to as the "Bull Snot roughing the passer call on Gastaneau by the home town refs" so its interesting to see how different cities fans view history. I'm not sure Jet fans really are even over that play.
I left rooting for the yankees in 1995 to root for the Milwauke Brewers so i'm used to trading down. The bottom line is the reason i want to find a new team is simple A) MY owner wants to make money not win 2) they fired the coach who could deliver them a 10 year run and build a real culture instead of this transient horror we go through every 4 years. I believe your owner just wants to win and will be Patient with Eric, if he brings some of the staff he hired it could be a good thing (Rick Lyle was a Brown, he is on the staff and was a close friend of mine so hopefully you bring him over). As for Offense, Mangini doesn't know it, so examine your OC because i was not impressed with our efforts in many key situations. I hear the OC will be Dabol, he really didn't have enough time to get into our system since he was only with us a year but he never stood out in a bad way so thats good i guess.
So here is my take on Cleveland, feel free to respond
First the city - I love Cleveland, Rock and Roll hall of fame, Drew Carey and the subject of the greatest baseball movie ever made Major League (which also shares major Brewer influence)
Now the team -
Trivial Issue:
Should i like the uniform? Or is it something about living in the city that makes you identify with the blue color look, because i'm not sure anyone truly looks good in brown, but if i should start looking at this and loving it, i'll adapt
Stars:
Who are the all time Brown greats, besides Jim Brown (whom i already love being a Syracuse Graduate class of 2000) - if your 30 who do you consider the best guys to play in your life.
I remember a few names besides Kosar, i remember a HUGE running back that faced us in the 80's was his name Kevin Mack or something like that? He was a beast
I remember Webster Slaughter being a stud.
Give me some other old school names to look into
Enemies:
I assume i should just starting hating the Ravens and Steelers, i'll be honest, this is not much of a stretch for me - anyone else on the hate list? i'm a packers fan sort of kind of so i can't hate them, anyone else i'm happy to wish ill to
The Current Team:
reminds me of the Jets - inconsistent with glimpes of talent. Edwards is TO if he went a hand transplant with an infant baby. Cribs can play ball. The D has some players including Eric Wright who i loved out of UNLV (as a Jets fan the draft is really my forte). I am not sure about the Quinn Vs. Anderson debate. Why was Anderson a stud one year and a dud the next, sounds like he is somewhere in between those two years. Quinn was ok in college but i'm less than impressed with many aspects of Brady's current game, plus can he stay healthy?
Beware of trading your QB because you may find yourself with some 7th round miami backup has been guiding the ship for weeks at a time. As a Jet fan i've watched (Bubby Brister, Jeff Blake, Rick Mirer, Quincy Carter, Brooks Bollinger, Browning Nagle among others lead my team so you can't have enough qualified QB 's
Joe Thomas - STUD nuf said
Anyone that can get to the pass? I can't name a guy
Anyone that can play saftey? I can't even name the starters at that position
How about the right side of the line, i saw teams shifting away from Steinback / Thomas and over to the right towards shaffer all year, he wasn't that good in Atlanta, is he any better with Cleveland?
Ok Browns Fans, you welcomed me in, i'll start talking football here for a while, Go Mangini!
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Man, it's the definition of a lateral move going from the Jets to the Browns.
When i was born in washington DC i was a brief fan of the Redskins until i was 6, my dad then moved, divorced my mom and married a woman who had two children, both of whom were Jet fans, before the days of direct TV you could only watch your local games so it was either root for the skins and never see them (made very little sense to me) root for the giants who i grew up hating, or root for a team i could watch, whose fans also hated the giants, along with my new step kin and thus i became a Jets fan. That year by the way was 1985 just a year before i watched the Kosar drive (which by the way Jet fans refer to as the "Bull Snot roughing the passer call on Gastaneau by the home town refs" so its interesting to see how different cities fans view history. I'm not sure Jet fans really are even over that play.
I left rooting for the yankees in 1995 to root for the Milwauke Brewers so i'm used to trading down. The bottom line is the reason i want to find a new team is simple A) MY owner wants to make money not win 2) they fired the coach who could deliver them a 10 year run and build a real culture instead of this transient horror we go through every 4 years. I believe your owner just wants to win and will be Patient with Eric, if he brings some of the staff he hired it could be a good thing (Rick Lyle was a Brown, he is on the staff and was a close friend of mine so hopefully you bring him over). As for Offense, Mangini doesn't know it, so examine your OC because i was not impressed with our efforts in many key situations. I hear the OC will be Dabol, he really didn't have enough time to get into our system since he was only with us a year but he never stood out in a bad way so thats good i guess.
So here is my take on Cleveland, feel free to respond
First the city - I love Cleveland, Rock and Roll hall of fame, Drew Carey and the subject of the greatest baseball movie ever made Major League (which also shares major Brewer influence)
Now the team -
Trivial Issue:
Should i like the uniform? Or is it something about living in the city that makes you identify with the blue color look, because i'm not sure anyone truly looks good in brown, but if i should start looking at this and loving it, i'll adapt
Stars:
Who are the all time Brown greats, besides Jim Brown (whom i already love being a Syracuse Graduate class of 2000) - if your 30 who do you consider the best guys to play in your life.
I remember a few names besides Kosar, i remember a HUGE running back that faced us in the 80's was his name Kevin Mack or something like that? He was a beast
I remember Webster Slaughter being a stud.
Give me some other old school names to look into
Enemies:
I assume i should just starting hating the Ravens and Steelers, i'll be honest, this is not much of a stretch for me - anyone else on the hate list? i'm a packers fan sort of kind of so i can't hate them, anyone else i'm happy to wish ill to
The Current Team:
reminds me of the Jets - inconsistent with glimpes of talent. Edwards is TO if he went a hand transplant with an infant baby. Cribs can play ball. The D has some players including Eric Wright who i loved out of UNLV (as a Jets fan the draft is really my forte). I am not sure about the Quinn Vs. Anderson debate. Why was Anderson a stud one year and a dud the next, sounds like he is somewhere in between those two years. Quinn was ok in college but i'm less than impressed with many aspects of Brady's current game, plus can he stay healthy?
Beware of trading your QB because you may find yourself with some 7th round miami backup has been guiding the ship for weeks at a time. As a Jet fan i've watched (Bubby Brister, Jeff Blake, Rick Mirer, Quincy Carter, Brooks Bollinger, Browning Nagle among others lead my team so you can't have enough qualified QB 's
Joe Thomas - STUD nuf said
Anyone that can get to the pass? I can't name a guy
Anyone that can play saftey? I can't even name the starters at that position
How about the right side of the line, i saw teams shifting away from Steinback / Thomas and over to the right towards shaffer all year, he wasn't that good in Atlanta, is he any better with Cleveland?
Ok Browns Fans, you welcomed me in, i'll start talking football here for a while, Go Mangini!
(whom i already love being a Syracuse Graduate class of 2000)
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