Heckert Must Stay
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All but 3 of the players taken in the past 3 drafts are still with the team. While our talent depleted roster at the beginning of the first draft needs to be taken into account that is still damn impressive. By next season that number will more than likely be up to 5. It was mentioned today that Hardesty was just surpassed by Jackson on the roster and by next season I think the HC will be completely committed to either Marecic or Smelley as the starting FB and the other will be gone.
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In my opinion, the guy's about average. He has absolutely no ability to discern talent in the running back position. Him choosing Marecic over Vickers and picking Hardesty in the 2nd round are the two worst moves of this guy's career with the Browns.
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Heckert is indeed average - With the picks we've had, and by that I mean in the top ten, we should have players that are All-Pro. The jury is still out on Haden. Dude needs to keep his feet this year because last year AJ Green tore him up. Our two second year guards are more or less value picks holding roster spots right now for the next draft class. Ward needs to stay healthy and from what I've seen hasn't shown me one instance where I thought, "Wow, that guy made an outstanding play. Just another average safety back there getting lost in coverage and missing tackles. Watch Ed Reed or that other guy in that shit city play safety and you'll see what I mean.
Mitchell Schwartz is getting blown off his feet right now during the preseason and I expected more from a second rounder.
Colt McCoy? - enter Brandon Weeden, enough said.
Owen Marecic getting drafted after Vickers was a terrible bonehead move.
Carlton Mitchell? Carlton Mitchell! Carlton Mitchell!
Jordan Cameron has potential and numbers, but so did Carlton Mitchell. Btw, I really hope Cameron pans out.
Sheldon Brown still being on this team is a joke
To sum it up, what have we acquired in the last three drafts? Like I said, your first round picks are the future and teams are hoping they're Pro Bowl caliber players. Haden's not going to the pro bowl this year because he's an idiot and selfish. And by the looks of the quarterbacks we're facing this year, you can kiss that top pass defense good bye. I won't even start w/ the run defense. I've been screaming for LB's for the last 7 years!
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Heckert is indeed average - With the picks we've had, and by that I mean in the top ten, we should have players that are All-Pro. The jury is still out on Haden. Dude needs to keep his feet this year because last year AJ Green tore him up. Our two second year guards are more or less value picks holding roster spots right now for the next draft class. Ward needs to stay healthy and from what I've seen hasn't shown me one instance where I thought, "Wow, that guy made an outstanding play. Just another average safety back there getting lost in coverage and missing tackles. Watch Ed Reed or that other guy in that shit city play safety and you'll see what I mean.
Mitchell Schwartz is getting blown off his feet right now during the preseason and I expected more from a second rounder.
Colt McCoy? - enter Brandon Weeden, enough said.
Owen Marecic getting drafted after Vickers was a terrible bonehead move.
Carlton Mitchell? Carlton Mitchell! Carlton Mitchell!
Jordan Cameron has potential and numbers, but so did Carlton Mitchell. Btw, I really hope Cameron pans out.
Sheldon Brown still being on this team is a joke
To sum it up, what have we acquired in the last three drafts? Like I said, your first round picks are the future and teams are hoping they're Pro Bowl caliber players. Haden's not going to the pro bowl this year because he's an idiot and selfish. And by the looks of the quarterbacks we're facing this year, you can kiss that top pass defense good bye. I won't even start w/ the run defense. I've been screaming for LB's for the last 7 years!
Heckert is indeed average - With the picks we've had, and by that I mean in the top ten, we should have players that are All-Pro. The jury is still out on Haden. Dude needs to keep his feet this year because last year AJ Green tore him up. Our two second year guards are more or less value picks holding roster spots right now for the next draft class. Ward needs to stay healthy and from what I've seen hasn't shown me one instance where I thought, "Wow, that guy made an outstanding play. Just another average safety back there getting lost in coverage and missing tackles. Watch Ed Reed or that other guy in that shit city play safety and you'll see what I mean.
Mitchell Schwartz is getting blown off his feet right now during the preseason and I expected more from a second rounder.
Colt McCoy? - enter Brandon Weeden, enough said.
Owen Marecic getting drafted after Vickers was a terrible bonehead move.
Carlton Mitchell? Carlton Mitchell! Carlton Mitchell!
Jordan Cameron has potential and numbers, but so did Carlton Mitchell. Btw, I really hope Cameron pans out.
Sheldon Brown still being on this team is a joke
To sum it up, what have we acquired in the last three drafts? Like I said, your first round picks are the future and teams are hoping they're Pro Bowl caliber players. Haden's not going to the pro bowl this year because he's an idiot and selfish. And by the looks of the quarterbacks we're facing this year, you can kiss that top pass defense good bye. I won't even start w/ the run defense. I've been screaming for LB's for the last 7 years!
yes. if you look at my comments after the player's grades we actually feel the same way.
LBs? this draft was pretty deep and we got acho or jmj?
if he's still here next year i think defense (saying weeden and TR pan out) will be his first concern.
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
whether he stays or goes will ultimately depend on the Browns W-L record.
Really dude, are you in Mensa? Old, fat piece of shit.
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I would like to point out how stupid it is to rip on a GM for a bad late round pick. Ripping him for Mitchel? That's stupid. Ripping him for... lets say Ward. Ok at least I can understand that. The oldest players are going into their 3rd season. Not every 1st round pick is going to be an all pro right away. Hell Haden might have an all pro season even though he'll be out 4 games. It doesn't matter if he is ineligible for the pro bowl, if he plays at a pro bowl level when he is in that is all he needs to do.
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I would like to point out how stupid it is to rip on a GM for a bad late round pick. Ripping him for Mitchel? That's stupid. Ripping him for... lets say Ward. Ok at least I can understand that. The oldest players are going into their 3rd season. Not every 1st round pick is going to be an all pro right away. Hell Haden might have an all pro season even though he'll be out 4 games. It doesn't matter if he is ineligible for the pro bowl, if he plays at a pro bowl level when he is in that is all he needs to do.
I would like to point out how stupid it is to rip on a GM for a bad late round pick. Ripping him for Mitchel? That's stupid. Ripping him for... lets say Ward. Ok at least I can understand that. The oldest players are going into their 3rd season. Not every 1st round pick is going to be an all pro right away. Hell Haden might have an all pro season even though he'll be out 4 games. It doesn't matter if he is ineligible for the pro bowl, if he plays at a pro bowl level when he is in that is all he needs to do.
Completely agree. Every draft pick is a gamble. Late round picks are usually the line between practice squad and playing football in a different league. Sometimes you can strike gold, but to rip someone for a late rounder is just dumb.
Heckert has made better picks than any of the previous regimes. Although it couldn't have been that hard to do given the previous regimes... but all in all he's done decent.
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
Mik,
whether he stays or goes will ultimately depend on the Browns W-L record. I was down on him but I love the Weeden and Richardson picks. I have no idea what Haslam's philosophy is, but to a reasonable man, in the time he has been here Heckert has not drafted a single jaw-dropping talent, and he had soem pretty high picks.
Drafting standouts is what keeps a guy like Heckert in his job. I believe right now, as goes Weeden and Richardson, so goes Heckert. If these guys turn out to be unremarkable, Heckert won't be back next year. I think he is safe for now.
If you take another look at it... I think he has made at least 3 remarkable draft choices.
1) The blockbuster - with a roster low in talent, he was able to add a great deal of it by trading out of the #6 spot. Sure, we missed out on Julio Jones but we needed all the other guys that we got in return.
2) Joe Haden. Keep watching this kid, he's jaw-dropping talent.
3) Trent Richardson. Haven't seen him play yet, but I just have that feeling.
If you add in Sheard, Hagg, Winn, Ward, Skrine, Weeden, Little, Benjamin, and the move to get Gordon, you might be looking at multiple remarkable moves. Only time will tell, but this guy has done a good job. If we stay the course, it'll be 3 years til we really see the consistent playoff team we want to be. In the meantime, let's just hope to get lucky a few times and win some games.
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hahahaha heckert must stay is the gayest thread. 3rd year and jury is still out..
How many probowl players has he drafted or future prowbowl players? Please domt tell me because pinkston and lauvano start they are good pics..
Heckert also drafted Kolb. What a gem huh?
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lets get rid of him and let another dude draft players for 3 years and have this same conversation, and no matter how you look at it there will be people on here who will still not be happy with that GM. For the love of god just fucking enjoy the team we have!!
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lets get rid of him and let another dude draft players for 3 years and have this same conversation, and no matter how you look at it there will be people on here who will still not be happy with that GM. For the love of god just fucking enjoy the team we have!!
lets get rid of him and let another dude draft players for 3 years and have this same conversation, and no matter how you look at it there will be people on here who will still not be happy with that GM. For the love of god just fucking enjoy the team we have!!
How can you not enjoy a team with a losing record 9 out of 12 years being back in the league?
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Heckert's drafts so far are more than okay by me, but his retread free agent pickups range from average to suck >> next to Hodges--who is an exception--grey beard Sheldon Brown is one of the better pickups at 45 yrs old making the occasional pick and only getting burned 4-5 times a game and Seneca is ok although too pricey for a backup but cousins????? Gocong? Fujita?? Usama Young??? Frosty???? Jacqua????? where have they been all preseason????? besides hurt? >>
back to cousins --who's play is so terrible on BOTH ends of the line he no longer deserves the effort of me pressing the shift key for caps -- and that's Joe Thomas' backup?!? seriously?!? W.T.FUUUUUUUUUUQ Tom?????!!!!!
oniel's gotta go now!
and PLEASE send Greco with him!
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Who are we comparing him to? Other than Baltimore, is there a team that has done better in the last three years? Perhaps Cinci, Giants and Lions. Anyone else?
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