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The Good, The Bad And The Weeden

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  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @baconhound said:

    No, you are absolutely correct the Eagles receivers are much better.

    I just think Haden is fast but not quick, he has a hard time keeping up with quick receivers.

    We'll see, A J Green owned him last year and if he doesn't get suspended we'll see how he does next week.

    AJ Green didn't own him last year. AJ Green got that one catch in when the entire team was sitting with their heads up their asses. In a later game, Green may have gotten a couple of catches, maybe even a TD....but I bet JH got the better of the matchup most of the time.

    And we don't even know if Haden was the one covering Green all the time.

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    @the-gipper said:

    AJ Green didn't own him last year. AJ Green got that one catch in when the entire team was sitting with their heads up their asses. In a later game, Green may have gotten a couple of catches, maybe even a TD....but I bet JH got the better of the matchup most of the time.

    And we don't even know if Haden was the one covering Green all the time.

    http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/browns_joe_haden_gets_burned_3_times_today_by_ajgreen_bengals_win/8357290

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      @the-gipper said:

      AJ Green didn't own him last year. AJ Green got that one catch in when the entire team was sitting with their heads up their asses. In a later game, Green may have gotten a couple of catches, maybe even a TD....but I bet JH got the better of the matchup most of the time.

      And we don't even know if Haden was the one covering Green all the time.

      http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/browns_joe_haden_gets_burned_3_times_today_by_ajgreen_bengals_win/8357290

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      The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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      @baconhound said:

      http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/browns_joe_haden_gets_burned_3_times_today_by_ajgreen_bengals_win/8357290

      Yea, the one catch was against Sheldon Brown. And the other was that play where the defense wasn't ready.

      Blame Haden....and the whole defense for not being ready....but not for being burned.

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      • The GipperT The Gipper

        @baconhound said:

        http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/browns_joe_haden_gets_burned_3_times_today_by_ajgreen_bengals_win/8357290

        Yea, the one catch was against Sheldon Brown. And the other was that play where the defense wasn't ready.

        Blame Haden....and the whole defense for not being ready....but not for being burned.

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        @the-gipper said:

        Yea, the one catch was against Sheldon Brown. And the other was that play where the defense wasn't ready.

        Blame Haden....and the whole defense for not being ready....but not for being burned.

        Penalty on Brown, catch against Haden, no call grab as AJ blew passed him and then not ready...

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          sisky fringoS sisky fringo wrote on last edited by sisky fringo
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          we've seen lots worse than Weeden. lots. it was a bad showing...hopefully a career low...best case scenario career defining!

          ...plus the Eagles had our playbook and our number. with offensive insight and a rookie at the helm his very first time i bet you anything Andy Reid if anything is embarrassed it came down to the wire.

          next meeting, Shurms gets over the hump...apprentice throttles master...

          Pat threw in some different wrinkles that actually had some success, gotta be a mind fuck trying to game plan for your MUCH older boss AND mentor (!). Pat can exhale now that he has one behind him and gets right back at it hard this week, setting the stage for what will later be 3 straight wins in a row. !!! 😁

          lets hope Weeden just needs more reps >> all this is totally new to him >> maybe some better protection from EVERYBODY (and a lane or two every once in a while would be kinda nice), some better vision which will only come with time AND HE NEEDS TO TAKE CARE OF THE EFFIN BALL BETTER.

          with an average offense and a great D you can usually beat anybody. the best way a defense can disrupt an offense in today's NFL today is heavy pursuit and offensive D by way of a great pass rush >> the rest is basically blocking, guarding, and the happenstance of plain ol being in the right place at the right time. anyway decent pressure by ALL of the D Line yesterday. shows good potential and really gave Vick a handful.

          Dquell had a career game, undoubtdly realizes as he looks around him in the locker room that he and Cribbs are the vets now that everybody leans on. no more Bowens or Big Baby. just them. probably tired of the pro bowl snubs and pec injuries too. its his time to shine, he has it all now.

          great pressure and blitzing from an atypical Jauron defense. or is that the rub? did we just catch Philly sleeping?

          game balls Phil Dawson and the special teams and D'quell.

          honorable mention...Ahtyba Rubin! the guy never ceases to amaze me, changed his entire physique since he got drafted in CLE. total beast, now that's a fukn nose tackle with ambition. maybe my next jersey...he's been playing right at the line lately, always whistle to whistle, now with ferocity too. after that one strip he launched Vick up into the air forearm to facemask..another AFCN silent killer in the division.

          also Robinson and LJ contributed much more than expected as well. they needed to fill veteran shoes and did just that.

          the entire offense smoked cock. maybe Alex Mack can say he doesn't, but until i rewatch the game i can't guarantee I'll feel exactly the same way. if i don't watch it by next Sunday it will have proven to me to be unwatchable, thereby instantly making all my statements infallable in my own mind so for sake of not squandering some quality hallucinogenic lip stick lesbian cougar masterbatorium filming sessions will not be discussed furthur.

          EDIT: hit submit accidentally...i realy hate posting on tablets.

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            thenew23T thenew23 wrote on last edited by thenew23
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            Wow! Saying Haden played bad is downright laughable.

            He was on the field for 36 minutes and was defending some of the best receivers in the game on almost all of 56 pass plays... FIFTY-SIX!!

            Sorry... you're wrong, he is nowhere near the BAD from this game. I read this whole post, and you have not proven that point AT ALL!

            The GOOD - Linebackers, D-Line, and Special Teams

            The BAD - Wide receivers, other than MoMass, and O-Line, particularly the Guard play in run blocking.

            The UGLY - Weeden's poor execution and Shurmur/Childress' playcalling. If I told you before the game that Philly would only score 17, we would pick Vick off 4 times, and return one for a pick-six, would anybody have believed me? Would you have imagined that we would lose the game?

            Offense was terrible, defense was incredible - all around.

            Gameball in the loss goes to... L.J. Fort OLB, not to take anything away from TJ Ward and DQ who also had great games.

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              Wow! Saying Haden played bad is downright laughable.

              He was on the field for 36 minutes and was defending some of the best receivers in the game on almost all of 56 pass plays... FIFTY-SIX!!

              Sorry... you're wrong, he is nowhere near the BAD from this game. I read this whole post, and you have not proven that point AT ALL!

              The GOOD - Linebackers, D-Line, and Special Teams

              The BAD - Wide receivers, other than MoMass, and O-Line, particularly the Guard play in run blocking.

              The UGLY - Weeden's poor execution and Shurmur/Childress' playcalling. If I told you before the game that Philly would only score 17, we would pick Vick off 4 times, and return one for a pick-six, would anybody have believed me? Would you have imagined that we would lose the game?

              Offense was terrible, defense was incredible - all around.

              Gameball in the loss goes to... L.J. Fort OLB, not to take anything away from TJ Ward and DQ who also had great games.

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              F FALCON7 wrote on last edited by FALCON7
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              @thenew23 said:

              Wow! Saying Haden played bad is downright laughable.

              He was on the field for 36 minutes and was defending some of the best receivers in the game on almost all of 56 pass plays... FIFTY-SIX!!

              Sorry... you're wrong, he is nowhere near the BAD from this game. I read this whole post, and you have not proven that point AT ALL!

              The GOOD - Linebackers, D-Line, and Special Teams

              The BAD - Wide receivers, other than MoMass, and O-Line, particularly the Guard play in run blocking.

              The UGLY - Weeden's poor execution and Shurmur/Childress' playcalling. If I told you before the game that Philly would only score 17, we would pick Vick off 4 times, and return one for a pick-six, would anybody have believed me? Would you have imagined that we would lose the game?

              Offense was terrible, defense was incredible - all around.

              Gameball in the loss goes to... L.J. Fort OLB, not to take anything away from TJ Ward and DQ who also had great games.

              "defense was incredible - all around."

              Incredible, might be a stretch, defense gives up what over 450 yards, over 300 passing and 150 rushing, yea they were good because of all the turn-overs and only allowing 17 pts. Yea, Weeden and the O did SUCK (A "New" Browns tradition) for way too F'N long.

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                @thenew23 said:

                Wow! Saying Haden played bad is downright laughable.

                He was on the field for 36 minutes and was defending some of the best receivers in the game on almost all of 56 pass plays... FIFTY-SIX!!

                Sorry... you're wrong, he is nowhere near the BAD from this game. I read this whole post, and you have not proven that point AT ALL!

                The GOOD - Linebackers, D-Line, and Special Teams

                The BAD - Wide receivers, other than MoMass, and O-Line, particularly the Guard play in run blocking.

                The UGLY - Weeden's poor execution and Shurmur/Childress' playcalling. If I told you before the game that Philly would only score 17, we would pick Vick off 4 times, and return one for a pick-six, would anybody have believed me? Would you have imagined that we would lose the game?

                Offense was terrible, defense was incredible - all around.

                Gameball in the loss goes to... L.J. Fort OLB, not to take anything away from TJ Ward and DQ who also had great games.

                "defense was incredible - all around."

                Incredible, might be a stretch, defense gives up what over 450 yards, over 300 passing and 150 rushing, yea they were good because of all the turn-overs and only allowing 17 pts. Yea, Weeden and the O did SUCK (A "New" Browns tradition) for way too F'N long.

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                Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by Tour2ma
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                @falcon7 said:

                Incredible, might be a stretch, defense gives up what over 450 yards, over 300 passing and 150 rushing...

                Ed Zachery... While the D was opportunistic against a clearly rusty Vick, giving up that kind of yardage makes "great" inappropriate, let alone "incredible."

                Haden was fine. Controlled Jackson until he was swapped to Maclin and then did a decent job on him.

                I, too, hope this was Wheeeedon's low point... but after one game it is both that and his high point as well.

                As for giving him time... last year Colt dreamed of having the kind of protection Wheeeedon got Sunday.

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                  GipsG Gips wrote on last edited by
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                  Weeden looks like a slower version of DA to me, all arm and no touch he lacks much and gets off the ground like an old man already..

                  We have been rebuilding since 1964, Why stop now? GO BROWNS!
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                    @the-gipper said:

                    Yea, the one catch was against Sheldon Brown. And the other was that play where the defense wasn't ready.

                    Blame Haden....and the whole defense for not being ready....but not for being burned.

                    Penalty on Brown, catch against Haden, no call grab as AJ blew passed him and then not ready...

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                    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                    @baconhound said:

                    Penalty on Brown, catch against Haden, no call grab as AJ blew passed him and then not ready...

                    WOW Green got 1 catch against Haden. The no call grab was a WIN for Haden. Welcome to the NFL.

                    And the entire defense was not ready on that play. Blame the DC, not Haden.

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                      B BrianSipeOrBust wrote on last edited by
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                      Weeden sucks. He needs to be yanked - not only will this be good for the Browns, it will be good for charity. Help feed the hungry in Cleveland, bench Weeden! Join me in donating $10 to the Cleveland Foodbank when Weeden gets benched - https://www.snoball.com/give/2cmyd

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