Could've, Would've, Should've
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To me the tackling cost the game more then all the other stuff.
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weeks. We lost 2 games by a combine 8 points to teams that most people thought would beat us by at least multiple touchdowns.
Ummm no...most people did not think the bengals would win by 'multiple' touchdowns. The bengals were 7 pt favorites, and without a meaningless garbage time fg the browns don't even get the push on that.
There are only a couple teams in the nfl(dolphins, maybe thats it) who would be more than 7 pt dogs in cincinatti. So losing to cincy by 7 is hardly promising.
Ummm no...most people did not think the bengals would win by 'multiple' touchdowns. The bengals were 7 pt favorites, and without a meaningless garbage time fg the browns don't even get the push on that.
There are only a couple teams in the nfl(dolphins, maybe thats it) who would be more than 7 pt dogs in cincinatti. So losing to cincy by 7 is hardly promising.
I'm not getting the "garbage time" statements when the team is only down by 2 TDs. Many teams have overcome greater spreads with less time. You MUST be a troll for some other team, and it's pathetic that you feel the need to come here and post nothing but "garbage" yourself. I bet you are yet again another bandwagon jumper with what now 5 posts all pointing out negativity for a team you just now decided to join a forum and post on???
Cleveland is a magnet for douchebags apparently...
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I don't understand why you are so worried about wins this year. We know we won't make the playoffs with all these rookies, and we need one more draft, a couple of FA's, a new HC, and then I think we will be ready to roll in 2013 and perhaps make the playoffs in 2014. So wins in 2012 just give us a lower draft picks. BTW, the use of a second rounder on a non-starting WR is not looking too good right now.
I think the new owner will bring in a new President and eventually a new head coach. Both will have a stronger track record and a greater passion and sense of urgency to win/improve and of accountability if they do not.
We clearly need upgrades at RG, FB, CB, FS, LB, and possibly WR. If we lose enough games, we may be able to trade back in the draft a few spots and get a few extra picks beacuse we probably won't need a new QB.
I think 2013 team will exclude the following players: Fujita, Gocong, Brown, Cribbs (traded for DP), Marecic, Hardesty, Norwood, McCoy (traded for DP), and Lauano gets demoted to back-up.
Assuming Weeden continues to show improvement and potential but the recievers do not, I see us selecting an elite WR with our first selection in the draft. However, if Gordon comes around and Little improves to become a real #1, then we could use the pick on a CB to replace Brown or a FS to replace Hagg. Both are critical.
I am looking to FA next year, especially with the LB's. We've got a good crew of young players there but need one, if not two with experience to replace the aging and oft-injured Fujita and Gocong.
As for this year, just look for experience and improvements, not necessarily wins. Buffalo will be a great match-up next week. I don't think they are as good as Cinci but they are a very solid team and I see a very close game. If the Browns can shut down their run game, we could see our first victory. I see 3 to 5 wins for the Browns this year, so this against Buffalo falls into one of those games that could signal continued improvement of the team.
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weeks. We lost 2 games by a combine 8 points to teams that most people thought would beat us by at least multiple touchdowns.
Ummm no...most people did not think the bengals would win by 'multiple' touchdowns. The bengals were 7 pt favorites, and without a meaningless garbage time fg the browns don't even get the push on that.
There are only a couple teams in the nfl(dolphins, maybe thats it) who would be more than 7 pt dogs in cincinatti. So losing to cincy by 7 is hardly promising.
There are only a couple teams in the nfl(dolphins, maybe thats it) who would be more than 7 pt dogs in cincinatti. So losing to cincy by 7 is hardly promising.
There are even less teams in the league with 15 rookies on the roster, (including their starting QB and RB) their starting All-Pro corner out and their starting DT out. The Bengals have a stable of capable WR's who had to be covered by the likes of Trevin Wade and Buster Skrine.
You continue to think the sky is falling. I, like the rest of the informed and intelligent people around, will take solace in the fact that this is easily the most talented team since the fluke almost playoff run of '07.
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The thing I meant with the "tackling" was that no one tried to break down and wrap up. If you watch the replay, it's just us diving at Pacmans feet. I don't care how small you are even if someone hits your foot you won't trip him completely for the tackle, that's what I meant by poor tackling, no one even tried, they all just dove. It was bad coverage, I agree.
I know the Hawkins TD was a broken play, but there were some awful pursuit angles, namely Wade when he ran behind the blocker instead of trying to close the lane that Hawkins was running towards.
The thing I meant with the "tackling" was that no one tried to break down and wrap up. If you watch the replay, it's just us diving at Pacmans feet. I don't care how small you are even if someone hits your foot you won't trip him completely for the tackle, that's what I meant by poor tackling, no one even tried, they all just dove. It was bad coverage, I agree.
I know the Hawkins TD was a broken play, but there were some awful pursuit angles, namely Wade when he ran behind the blocker instead of trying to close the lane that Hawkins was running towards.
But you have to be in position to "break down", i.e., in the path of the ball carrier, and for a punt that means in your lane.
Agree Wade took a bad angle, but it was coming back to Hawkins after commiting to Dalton.
My bottom line is no one bitched about our tackling vs. Philly... and our tackling did not go to shit in one week.
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There are only a couple teams in the nfl(dolphins, maybe thats it) who would be more than 7 pt dogs in cincinatti. So losing to cincy by 7 is hardly promising.
There are even less teams in the league with 15 rookies on the roster, (including their starting QB and RB) their starting All-Pro corner out and their starting DT out. The Bengals have a stable of capable WR's who had to be covered by the likes of Trevin Wade and Buster Skrine.
You continue to think the sky is falling. I, like the rest of the informed and intelligent people around, will take solace in the fact that this is easily the most talented team since the fluke almost playoff run of '07.
There are even less teams in the league with 15 rookies on the roster, (including their starting QB and RB) their starting All-Pro corner out and their starting DT out. The Bengals have a stable of capable WR's who had to be covered by the likes of Trevin Wade and Buster Skrine.
You continue to think the sky is falling. I, like the rest of the informed and intelligent people around, will take solace in the fact that this is easily the most talented team since the fluke almost playoff run of '07.
Great comments. But I have to ask you, why was 07 a fluke? Because we didn't stay competitive?
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There are even less teams in the league with 15 rookies on the roster, (including their starting QB and RB) their starting All-Pro corner out and their starting DT out. The Bengals have a stable of capable WR's who had to be covered by the likes of Trevin Wade and Buster Skrine.
You continue to think the sky is falling. I, like the rest of the informed and intelligent people around, will take solace in the fact that this is easily the most talented team since the fluke almost playoff run of '07.
Great comments. But I have to ask you, why was 07 a fluke? Because we didn't stay competitive?
Great comments. But I have to ask you, why was 07 a fluke? Because we didn't stay competitive?
Because nobody repeated their performance from that year, even for other teams.
That year was the perfect storm, never to be recreated for Anderson, Edwards, Winslow et al. And we didn't even make it to the playoffs.
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A couple of things stood out to me as pretty weak in this game. The play by the secondary was all around bad. The corners were giving the receivers way too much cushion off of the line of scrimmage, the CBs were burned in coverage anytime the Bungles receivers made half a move, two penalties for offsides on Patterson is ridiculous, and the tackling was horrendous with the exception of Ward. Secondly, the special teams under Chris Tabor has been abysmal. Cribbs has been less effective and coverage for kickoffs and returns is scary bad. A few years ago, under Brad Seely, the Browns' special teams was a weapon. I don't get it.
That being said, I am still excited about this season and watching this team develop because I believe they are finally on the right track. However, people need to manage their expectations of this team. This is a year for development and growth. My biggest hope is that once Haslam comes in, he doesn't make any big changes. I am not sold on Shurmur yet, but I think fans need to be more realistic and give these guys time to do this right. The NFL is extremely competitive and to think that they can turn a franchise around for long term competitiveness in three years is absurd. I was a young kid at the time, but I remember how fans have turned on other coaches, Belichik (released Bernie), without seeing the big picture. In short, what we need most is some consistency, not knee jerk reactions to appease fair weather fans.
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A couple of things stood out to me as pretty weak in this game. The play by the secondary was all around bad. The corners were giving the receivers way too much cushion off of the line of scrimmage, the CBs were burned in coverage anytime the Bungles receivers made half a move, two penalties for offsides on Patterson is ridiculous, and the tackling was horrendous with the exception of Ward. Secondly, the special teams under Chris Tabor has been abysmal. Cribbs has been less effective and coverage for kickoffs and returns is scary bad. A few years ago, under Brad Seely, the Browns' special teams was a weapon. I don't get it.
That being said, I am still excited about this season and watching this team develop because I believe they are finally on the right track. However, people need to manage their expectations of this team. This is a year for development and growth. My biggest hope is that once Haslam comes in, he doesn't make any big changes. I am not sold on Shurmur yet, but I think fans need to be more realistic and give these guys time to do this right. The NFL is extremely competitive and to think that they can turn a franchise around for long term competitiveness in three years is absurd. I was a young kid at the time, but I remember how fans have turned on other coaches, Belichik (released Bernie), without seeing the big picture. In short, what we need most is some consistency, not knee jerk reactions to appease fair weather fans.
That being said, I am still excited about this season and watching this team develop because I believe they are finally on the right track. However, people need to manage their expectations of this team. This is a year for development and growth. My biggest hope is that once Haslam comes in, he doesn't make any big changes. I am not sold on Shurmur yet, but I think fans need to be more realistic and give these guys time to do this right. The NFL is extremely competitive and to think that they can turn a franchise around for long term competitiveness in three years is absurd. I was a young kid at the time, but I remember how fans have turned on other coaches, Belichik (released Bernie), without seeing the big picture. In short, what we need most is some consistency, not knee jerk reactions to appease fair weather fans.
Completely agree..
I heard Billick (who I don't think is necessarily objective when it comes to the Browns) talking about the Browns for this year and said that everything that they do this year is really designed to be competitive in 2013. That sucks for fans of the team but I think he's right.
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A couple of things stood out to me as pretty weak in this game. The play by the secondary was all around bad. The corners were giving the receivers way too much cushion off of the line of scrimmage, the CBs were burned in coverage anytime the Bungles receivers made half a move, two penalties for offsides on Patterson is ridiculous, and the tackling was horrendous with the exception of Ward. Secondly, the special teams under Chris Tabor has been abysmal. Cribbs has been less effective and coverage for kickoffs and returns is scary bad. A few years ago, under Brad Seely, the Browns' special teams was a weapon. I don't get it.
That being said, I am still excited about this season and watching this team develop because I believe they are finally on the right track. However, people need to manage their expectations of this team. This is a year for development and growth. My biggest hope is that once Haslam comes in, he doesn't make any big changes. I am not sold on Shurmur yet, but I think fans need to be more realistic and give these guys time to do this right. The NFL is extremely competitive and to think that they can turn a franchise around for long term competitiveness in three years is absurd. I was a young kid at the time, but I remember how fans have turned on other coaches, Belichik (released Bernie), without seeing the big picture. In short, what we need most is some consistency, not knee jerk reactions to appease fair weather fans.
A couple of things stood out to me as pretty weak in this game. The play by the secondary was all around bad. The corners were giving the receivers way too much cushion off of the line of scrimmage, the CBs were burned in coverage anytime the Bungles receivers made half a move, two penalties for offsides on Patterson is ridiculous, and the tackling was horrendous with the exception of Ward. Secondly, the special teams under Chris Tabor has been abysmal. Cribbs has been less effective and coverage for kickoffs and returns is scary bad. A few years ago, under Brad Seely, the Browns' special teams was a weapon. I don't get it.
That being said, I am still excited about this season and watching this team develop because I believe they are finally on the right track. However, people need to manage their expectations of this team. This is a year for development and growth. My biggest hope is that once Haslam comes in, he doesn't make any big changes. I am not sold on Shurmur yet, but I think fans need to be more realistic and give these guys time to do this right. The NFL is extremely competitive and to think that they can turn a franchise around for long term competitiveness in three years is absurd. I was a young kid at the time, but I remember how fans have turned on other coaches, Belichik (released Bernie), without seeing the big picture. In short, what we need most is some consistency, not knee jerk reactions to appease fair weather fans.
I agree. I think the first half of this season will be rough...especially with injuries and suspensions. But once Phil Taylor comes back and Joe Haden, and these "kids" start figuring things out the Browns in the second half of the season should be able to stay with anyone.
Shurmur may in fact be the weak link...but we shall see.
I disagree on BB however. The guy was here 5 years....and holds the Browns record for the HC with the most losing seasons. He was given a lot more rope than most others had/have been given.
And note this: BB was NOT terminated as the HC of the Cleveland Browns. His contract as HC of the Browns was assigned to the new Baltimore (lka Ravens) franchise after the settlement was made with the City/County/NFL that allowed for Modell to get that new B-more franchise.
Modell fired him as the HC of the new franchise, not of the Browns.
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A couple of things stood out to me as pretty weak in this game. The play by the secondary was all around bad. The corners were giving the receivers way too much cushion off of the line of scrimmage, the CBs were burned in coverage anytime the Bungles receivers made half a move, two penalties for offsides on Patterson is ridiculous, and the tackling was horrendous with the exception of Ward. Secondly, the special teams under Chris Tabor has been abysmal. Cribbs has been less effective and coverage for kickoffs and returns is scary bad. A few years ago, under Brad Seely, the Browns' special teams was a weapon. I don't get it.
That being said, I am still excited about this season and watching this team develop because I believe they are finally on the right track. However, people need to manage their expectations of this team. This is a year for development and growth. My biggest hope is that once Haslam comes in, he doesn't make any big changes. I am not sold on Shurmur yet, but I think fans need to be more realistic and give these guys time to do this right. The NFL is extremely competitive and to think that they can turn a franchise around for long term competitiveness in three years is absurd. I was a young kid at the time, but I remember how fans have turned on other coaches, Belichik (released Bernie), without seeing the big picture. In short, what we need most is some consistency, not knee jerk reactions to appease fair weather fans.
I agree. I think the first half of this season will be rough...especially with injuries and suspensions. But once Phil Taylor comes back and Joe Haden, and these "kids" start figuring things out the Browns in the second half of the season should be able to stay with anyone.
Shurmur may in fact be the weak link...but we shall see.
I disagree on BB however. The guy was here 5 years....and holds the Browns record for the HC with the most losing seasons. He was given a lot more rope than most others had/have been given.
And note this: BB was NOT terminated as the HC of the Cleveland Browns. His contract as HC of the Browns was assigned to the new Baltimore (lka Ravens) franchise after the settlement was made with the City/County/NFL that allowed for Modell to get that new B-more franchise.
Modell fired him as the HC of the new franchise, not of the Browns.
I disagree on BB however. The guy was here 5 years....and holds the Browns record for the HC with the most losing seasons. He was given a lot more rope than most others had/have been given.
And note this: BB was NOT terminated as the HC of the Cleveland Browns. His contract as HC of the Browns was assigned to the new Baltimore (lka Ravens) franchise after the settlement was made with the City/County/NFL that allowed for Modell to get that new B-more franchise.
Modell fired him as the HC of the new franchise, not of the Browns.
Thanks for the 411. I was in grade school when Belichik was coach so I wasn't aware of everything going on with regards to the Browns, but from what I remember the fans really went after him after the Kosar release.
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I disagree on BB however. The guy was here 5 years....and holds the Browns record for the HC with the most losing seasons. He was given a lot more rope than most others had/have been given.
And note this: BB was NOT terminated as the HC of the Cleveland Browns. His contract as HC of the Browns was assigned to the new Baltimore (lka Ravens) franchise after the settlement was made with the City/County/NFL that allowed for Modell to get that new B-more franchise.
Modell fired him as the HC of the new franchise, not of the Browns.
Thanks for the 411. I was in grade school when Belichik was coach so I wasn't aware of everything going on with regards to the Browns, but from what I remember the fans really went after him after the Kosar release.
Thanks for the 411. I was in grade school when Belichik was coach so I wasn't aware of everything going on with regards to the Browns, but from what I remember the fans really went after him after the Kosar release.
The problem is that he had only the totally incompetent Todd Philcox to turn to. Testaverde was hurt. That move probably cost the Browns a playoff spot.
Of course, Bernie got picked up by the Cowboys, helped them win a playoff game, and got a Super Bowl ring.
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Great comments. But I have to ask you, why was 07 a fluke? Because we didn't stay competitive?
Because nobody repeated their performance from that year, even for other teams.
That year was the perfect storm, never to be recreated for Anderson, Edwards, Winslow et al. And we didn't even make it to the playoffs.
Because nobody repeated their performance from that year, even for other teams.
That year was the perfect storm, never to be recreated for Anderson, Edwards, Winslow et al. And we didn't even make it to the playoffs.
I disagree with Winslow. HE went to Tampa and played almost every game. He played every game for Tampa in his 3 years there and averaged more than 700 yards every season. We will be lucky if any of our TE's will be as good as him.
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Because nobody repeated their performance from that year, even for other teams.
That year was the perfect storm, never to be recreated for Anderson, Edwards, Winslow et al. And we didn't even make it to the playoffs.
I disagree with Winslow. HE went to Tampa and played almost every game. He played every game for Tampa in his 3 years there and averaged more than 700 yards every season. We will be lucky if any of our TE's will be as good as him.
I disagree with Winslow. HE went to Tampa and played almost every game. He played every game for Tampa in his 3 years there and averaged more than 700 yards every season. We will be lucky if any of our TE's will be as good as him.
Winslow had over 1,100 yards in 2007 and hasn't been close to this total since (including a measly 450 or so yards in 2008). That has 2007 fluke written all over it..
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