It's Obvious That Weeden Doesn't Understand What Separation Is In The Nfl.
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He's made exactly one throw that I do not believe Colt could have made... it was in Preseason Game 2(?)... the sideline pass to MoMass (IIRC) between two defenders. Even Bernie was giddy over that one.
I do not recall the play MoMass' way Sunday you refer to... But I have the game DVR'd and head back to TX this week.
And, yes, BW threw a couple real ducks today... one backfooted, half falling down throw was utterly laughable.
Do I see great yet? No... but I see signs that very good, and maybe even great, might be there. Will it emerge? Got me...
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I'd be a bit happier seeing one or two flashes a game if he wasn't turning 29.
There are two rookie QB's in their early 20's that are better right now than Weeden will ever be and that sucks.
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Ohh my bad.
So instead of talking about his weaknesses I should just say "Weeden is really bad"
Riveting stuff
No, I was merely pointing out that, while you think you sounded like you knew what you were saying...you, in fact, did not.
A la Boomer Esiason.
No, I was merely pointing out that, while you think you sounded like you knew what you were saying...you, in fact, did not.
A la Boomer Esiason.
lol I missed this.
1. That is a terrible sentence; it's God awful.
2. I am not the only person to recognize that Weeden doesn't throw the ball early enough.
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What about the Massoquio throw in the 1st where he underthrew it where Mo had 2-3 steps on his DB on the sideline??
That's just one of them.
And no he didn't, he hit a lot of receivers who weren't covered. Nearly all of his completions in the 1st half were to receivers that were wide open. That doesn't make them good throws, how many of those throws were actually difficult? You can't say he's making any of the throws that make you think "this guy could be great"
At least not yet.
What about the Massoquio throw in the 1st where he underthrew it where Mo had 2-3 steps on his DB on the sideline??
That's just one of them.
And no he didn't, he hit a lot of receivers who weren't covered. Nearly all of his completions in the 1st half were to receivers that were wide open. That doesn't make them good throws, how many of those throws were actually difficult? You can't say he's making any of the throws that make you think "this guy could be great"
At least not yet.
Peyton Manning had over 25 incompletions today. The Broncos should release him. He waits too long to throw. He sucks.
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What about the Massoquio throw in the 1st where he underthrew it where Mo had 2-3 steps on his DB on the sideline??
That's just one of them.
And no he didn't, he hit a lot of receivers who weren't covered. Nearly all of his completions in the 1st half were to receivers that were wide open. That doesn't make them good throws, how many of those throws were actually difficult? You can't say he's making any of the throws that make you think "this guy could be great"
At least not yet.
Peyton Manning had over 25 incompletions today. The Broncos should release him. He waits too long to throw. He sucks.
Peyton Manning had over 25 incompletions today. The Broncos should release him. He waits too long to throw. He sucks.
Wut.
If you're gonna be a condescending asshole, you should at least make sense.
How long should I wait to criticize Weeden? Until we replace him?
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Peyton Manning had over 25 incompletions today. The Broncos should release him. He waits too long to throw. He sucks.
Wut.
If you're gonna be a condescending asshole, you should at least make sense.
How long should I wait to criticize Weeden? Until we replace him?
Wut.
If you're gonna be a condescending asshole, you should at least make sense.
How long should I wait to criticize Weeden? Until we replace him?
Weeden will more then likely be the QB all season. Colt will not be the starter unless Weeden gets hurt. I'm not sure if Weeden will ever be good or not. He's only played 3 regular season games. He looked bad against Philly, great against Cinci, and bad against Buffalo. This team needs numerous changes (Coach, GM, etc) at leadership positions before we will get any better in my opinion. I hope (and think) that the new owner realizes this. But don't expect any major changes this year.
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Just some thoughts.
Some of the deeper passes, could have been thrown sooner or deeper. This will come in time. God forbid, Weeden isn't the only throwing INT's or short balls this year. However the WR's were catching those balls as if they weren't being covered. I can't remember who it was, but he went up to catch the ball into his body instead of catching it at his highest point with his arms stretched out. I believe there were two if not 3 instances when our WR's are not fighting for the ball and trying to put themselves into position to make the catch. This is game time, not practice.
Little is not helping us with his drops either. He needs to take seat and let's put Cribs in or let Gordon or Benji start in his stead. Let him lose some reps and maybe he will straighten up.
Weeden's not perfect, but let's remember our WR's are not helping out too much. And I would like to see our TE's get involved more as well.
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Just some thoughts.
Some of the deeper passes, could have been thrown sooner or deeper. This will come in time. God forbid, Weeden isn't the only throwing INT's or short balls this year. However the WR's were catching those balls as if they weren't being covered. I can't remember who it was, but he went up to catch the ball into his body instead of catching it at his highest point with his arms stretched out. I believe there were two if not 3 instances when our WR's are not fighting for the ball and trying to put themselves into position to make the catch. This is game time, not practice.
Little is not helping us with his drops either. He needs to take seat and let's put Cribs in or let Gordon or Benji start in his stead. Let him lose some reps and maybe he will straighten up.
Weeden's not perfect, but let's remember our WR's are not helping out too much. And I would like to see our TE's get involved more as well.
Just some thoughts.
Some of the deeper passes, could have been thrown sooner or deeper. This will come in time. God forbid, Weeden isn't the only throwing INT's or short balls this year. However the WR's were catching those balls as if they weren't being covered. I can't remember who it was, but he went up to catch the ball into his body instead of catching it at his highest point with his arms stretched out. I believe there were two if not 3 instances when our WR's are not fighting for the ball and trying to put themselves into position to make the catch. This is game time, not practice.
Little is not helping us with his drops either. He needs to take seat and let's put Cribs in or let Gordon or Benji start in his stead. Let him lose some reps and maybe he will straighten up.
Weeden's not perfect, but let's remember our WR's are not helping out too much. And I would like to see our TE's get involved more as well.
Oh, and the penalties in critical times,(3rd and 17 converted, only to be wiped out by a holding penalty once again.) Don't think Weeden is doing all that bad with the weapons he has. The guys played 3 games in the NFL, been thrown into a situation where he isn't surrounded with a top flight receiver, or at least a possession receiver. Penalties are killing our drives. So with all the reasoning I see on here, we put Colt in and still go 1-15 then what? is it the QB or is it the coaching? So the defense couldn't hold the lead against Philly, special teams give up a td against Cinci, and a loss to the Bills. We possibly could of been 1-2 or 2-1, then what would be said about Weeden. Playing good but still needs to improve in areas. Some people are never satisfied. Seems the culture of the NFL has finally rooted in the fan base....WIN NOW...I'm patient, have to be with the inept leadership we have had. Maybe now we have a owner that believes in the franchise and will put the time and energy into once again building a contender, we have key pieces in place but need the right pieces in the correct place. Thought Schwartz did a decent job against super mario after giving up a sack. As for Weeden go with the up tempo offense for a half and see what happens. We have to find his comfort area and when he ran it on the td drive, it was great. Make other Defenses adapt to us. CB play is killing us with Haden out. Oh well, like I tell all my Chittsburg friends, "were playing for draft picks again"! CAN'T wait till I don't have to say that anymore.....
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How can you ask a Browns' fan to be patient? We've been bad my entire life and picking a QB in the 1st round whose ceiling is more likely 07 Derek Anderson than it is Aaron Rodgers makes me ridiculously angry.
If we went with Colt this year and went 1-15, who cares? Colt's contract would be up and we wouldn't be tied in with ANY QB. Now with Weeden we have to wait for him to magically become an above average or great QB and sustain it somehow through his physical decline. He's going to be 30 in his second season, do you really see him making the jump from what he is now(which is one of the worst QB's in the NFL) to being one of the better QB's in the NFL?
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How can you ask a Browns' fan to be patient? We've been bad my entire life and picking a QB in the 1st round whose ceiling is more likely 07 Derek Anderson than it is Aaron Rodgers makes me ridiculously angry.
If we went with Colt this year and went 1-15, who cares? Colt's contract would be up and we wouldn't be tied in with ANY QB. Now with Weeden we have to wait for him to magically become an above average or great QB and sustain it somehow through his physical decline. He's going to be 30 in his second season, do you really see him making the jump from what he is now(which is one of the worst QB's in the NFL) to being one of the better QB's in the NFL?
How can you ask a Browns' fan to be patient? We've been bad my entire life and picking a QB in the 1st round whose ceiling is more likely 07 Derek Anderson than it is Aaron Rodgers makes me ridiculously angry.
If we went with Colt this year and went 1-15, who cares? Colt's contract would be up and we wouldn't be tied in with ANY QB. Now with Weeden we have to wait for him to magically become an above average or great QB and sustain it somehow through his physical decline. He's going to be 30 in his second season, do you really see him making the jump from what he is now(which is one of the worst QB's in the NFL) to being one of the better QB's in the NFL?
Yes, Roger Staubach was 27 when the Cowboys drafted him.
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
How can you ask a Browns' fan to be patient? We've been bad my entire life and picking a QB in the 1st round whose ceiling is more likely 07 Derek Anderson than it is Aaron Rodgers makes me ridiculously angry.
If we went with Colt this year and went 1-15, who cares? Colt's contract would be up and we wouldn't be tied in with ANY QB. Now with Weeden we have to wait for him to magically become an above average or great QB and sustain it somehow through his physical decline. He's going to be 30 in his second season, do you really see him making the jump from what he is now(which is one of the worst QB's in the NFL) to being one of the better QB's in the NFL?
Yes, Roger Staubach was 27 when the Cowboys drafted him.
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'The WR's aren't separating' is such an overly used excuse.
Guys like Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, good QB's recognize when a guy has A STEP on a DB and gets it to them where they can catch it. That's what separates average QB's from the good ones. It's not like everyone of their receivers has 3-5 steps on every throw, but they get it to their WR's.
When a QB isn't making tough throws fans always jump to the separation excuse.
And the fact that his only TD pass was to a WIDE OPEN WR doesn't help Weeden, it just shows he can make the throws any QB is supposed to make(and he doesn't even do that consistently.) I want to see him make throws to WR's that aren't that open..that's what this thread is about. He hasn't showed us any of that.
Not an exuse... fact... and I meant the WR's are not separating AT ALL... not even one step on way too many routes.
Were you at the game? I was... section 319, Dawg Pound Mezzanine. And I saw the coverage you did not with the TV cameras trained on the backfield. BW threw into tight coverage too often IMO.
I can only come up with one pass attempt where the WR had your precious "step" and a better throw would have made a difference... the fly Benjamin ran up the right sideline that the DB got the back of his hand on to break up. A little more air and that's 6... Then again, Benjamin could have helped his QB, i.e., pulled up and jumped for the reception.
Today BW threw many more good passes than he did bad...
Again... I'm not a Wheeeeeeden fan, but I am objective enough to admit that he is showing improvement. L-o-o-o-ong way to go, but improving.
Not an exuse... fact... and I meant the WR's are not separating AT ALL... not even one step on way too many routes.
Were you at the game? I was... section 319, Dawg Pound Mezzanine. And I saw the coverage you did not with the TV cameras trained on the backfield. BW threw into tight coverage too often IMO.
I can only come up with one pass attempt where the WR had your precious "step" and a better throw would have made a difference... the fly Benjamin ran up the right sideline that the DB got the back of his hand on to break up. A little more air and that's 6... Then again, Benjamin could have helped his QB, i.e., pulled up and jumped for the reception.
Today BW threw many more good passes than he did bad...
Again... I'm not a Wheeeeeeden fan, but I am objective enough to admit that he is showing improvement. L-o-o-o-ong way to go, but improving.
The right sideline pass to Gordon was grossly under thrown and I know cause I was 131 row 3. Weeden didn't cost the team the game but he did make some bad throws. His learning curve has to be brief because of his draft position and the fact the Browns had other glaring needs, WR, DB.
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How can you ask a Browns' fan to be patient? We've been bad my entire life and picking a QB in the 1st round whose ceiling is more likely 07 Derek Anderson than it is Aaron Rodgers makes me ridiculously angry.
If we went with Colt this year and went 1-15, who cares? Colt's contract would be up and we wouldn't be tied in with ANY QB. Now with Weeden we have to wait for him to magically become an above average or great QB and sustain it somehow through his physical decline. He's going to be 30 in his second season, do you really see him making the jump from what he is now(which is one of the worst QB's in the NFL) to being one of the better QB's in the NFL?
How can you ask a Browns' fan to be patient? We've been bad my entire life and picking a QB in the 1st round whose ceiling is more likely 07 Derek Anderson than it is Aaron Rodgers makes me ridiculously angry.
If we went with Colt this year and went 1-15, who cares? Colt's contract would be up and we wouldn't be tied in with ANY QB. Now with Weeden we have to wait for him to magically become an above average or great QB and sustain it somehow through his physical decline. He's going to be 30 in his second season, do you really see him making the jump from what he is now(which is one of the worst QB's in the NFL) to being one of the better QB's in the NFL?
DUDE!!! It's been THREE GAMES!!! Calm the hell down.
If you can't see that this year's offense can move the ball down the field 100 times better than when Colt was the QB, then you are BLIND. Colt NEVER took shots down the field, not even past 20 yards. Weeden has connected on a couple 20+.
You're too focused on his age. Try focusing on the fact that he's a ROOKIE. Give him a chance!!! Jeez
Like I said before, we have WAYYY bigger problems on this team right now than QB play. Putting in McCoy would only bump that problem higher on the list with inaccuracy and dink-and-dunk crap passes that get batted down at the line.
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I think Weeds will be fine, but this organization needs to get it's collective heads out of the sand ( or where ever ) and get out of denile that we need an established veteran reciever. Kids can't teach kids. And BTW the Saints are 0-3 also, what are they missing? Maybe theres something to learn there.
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How can you ask a Browns' fan to be patient? We've been bad my entire life and picking a QB in the 1st round whose ceiling is more likely 07 Derek Anderson than it is Aaron Rodgers makes me ridiculously angry.
If we went with Colt this year and went 1-15, who cares? Colt's contract would be up and we wouldn't be tied in with ANY QB. Now with Weeden we have to wait for him to magically become an above average or great QB and sustain it somehow through his physical decline. He's going to be 30 in his second season, do you really see him making the jump from what he is now(which is one of the worst QB's in the NFL) to being one of the better QB's in the NFL?
DUDE!!! It's been THREE GAMES!!! Calm the hell down.
If you can't see that this year's offense can move the ball down the field 100 times better than when Colt was the QB, then you are BLIND. Colt NEVER took shots down the field, not even past 20 yards. Weeden has connected on a couple 20+.
You're too focused on his age. Try focusing on the fact that he's a ROOKIE. Give him a chance!!! Jeez
Like I said before, we have WAYYY bigger problems on this team right now than QB play. Putting in McCoy would only bump that problem higher on the list with inaccuracy and dink-and-dunk crap passes that get batted down at the line.
DUDE!!! It's been THREE GAMES!!! Calm the hell down.
If you can't see that this year's offense can move the ball down the field 100 times better than when Colt was the QB, then you are BLIND. Colt NEVER took shots down the field, not even past 20 yards. Weeden has connected on a couple 20+.
You're too focused on his age. Try focusing on the fact that he's a ROOKIE. Give him a chance!!! Jeez
Like I said before, we have WAYYY bigger problems on this team right now than QB play. Putting in McCoy would only bump that problem higher on the list with inaccuracy and dink-and-dunk crap passes that get batted down at the line.
His age and his experience go hand in hand, they're both problems. He's gonna be 29 with barely any NFL experience, he has so many issues and a lot less time than most rookies. Maybe a team that was good could take a chance with Weeden, let him sit behind a QB with 2-3 years left in him, and then let him loose. But he's not ready right now to be an NFL starter and that's stupid as hell that the Browns took this risk
Shurmur calls the plays, not McCoy. McCoy doesn't have a cannon but he can make throws of 30+ yards, which our offense rarely calls for.
Colt had multiple passes of 20 of more yards last season. People are acting like Colt being QB was a dark age, when we should get the facts straight.
Colt last season wasn't fully healthy, he was learning his 2nd offense in two seasons, and had to learn the WCO without a training camp. His WR's led the league in drops, he was forced out of the pocket more often than most QB's in the NFL, and had no running game behind him. How many QB's can be successful with learning a new offense, having no WR's, no RB, and no line? NONE. Sure you can make the argument that he's supposed to make his teammates better, but his team mates would make any QB look worse.
And we replaced McCoy with a player who isn't better than him right now. Has less time to develop and literally Weeden will only be as good as the team around him, he's not gonna make the plays you see Big Ben, Drew Brees, and Tom Brady make. You can see that right now, he can't extend plays, and his WR's need to be open for him to get the ball to them.
We could've went this year with McCoy, then let McCoy's contract go out, and then moved on with a HIGH DRAFT PICK QB, without spending a 1st round pick on an average QB with little to no ceiling.
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DUDE!!! It's been THREE GAMES!!! Calm the hell down.
If you can't see that this year's offense can move the ball down the field 100 times better than when Colt was the QB, then you are BLIND. Colt NEVER took shots down the field, not even past 20 yards. Weeden has connected on a couple 20+.
You're too focused on his age. Try focusing on the fact that he's a ROOKIE. Give him a chance!!! Jeez
Like I said before, we have WAYYY bigger problems on this team right now than QB play. Putting in McCoy would only bump that problem higher on the list with inaccuracy and dink-and-dunk crap passes that get batted down at the line.
His age and his experience go hand in hand, they're both problems. He's gonna be 29 with barely any NFL experience, he has so many issues and a lot less time than most rookies. Maybe a team that was good could take a chance with Weeden, let him sit behind a QB with 2-3 years left in him, and then let him loose. But he's not ready right now to be an NFL starter and that's stupid as hell that the Browns took this risk
Shurmur calls the plays, not McCoy. McCoy doesn't have a cannon but he can make throws of 30+ yards, which our offense rarely calls for.
Colt had multiple passes of 20 of more yards last season. People are acting like Colt being QB was a dark age, when we should get the facts straight.
Colt last season wasn't fully healthy, he was learning his 2nd offense in two seasons, and had to learn the WCO without a training camp. His WR's led the league in drops, he was forced out of the pocket more often than most QB's in the NFL, and had no running game behind him. How many QB's can be successful with learning a new offense, having no WR's, no RB, and no line? NONE. Sure you can make the argument that he's supposed to make his teammates better, but his team mates would make any QB look worse.
And we replaced McCoy with a player who isn't better than him right now. Has less time to develop and literally Weeden will only be as good as the team around him, he's not gonna make the plays you see Big Ben, Drew Brees, and Tom Brady make. You can see that right now, he can't extend plays, and his WR's need to be open for him to get the ball to them.
We could've went this year with McCoy, then let McCoy's contract go out, and then moved on with a HIGH DRAFT PICK QB, without spending a 1st round pick on an average QB with little to no ceiling.
His age and his experience go hand in hand, they're both problems. He's gonna be 29 with barely any NFL experience, he has so many issues and a lot less time than most rookies. Maybe a team that was good could take a chance with Weeden, let him sit behind a QB with 2-3 years left in him, and then let him loose. But he's not ready right now to be an NFL starter and that's stupid as hell that the Browns took this risk
Shurmur calls the plays, not McCoy. McCoy doesn't have a cannon but he can make throws of 30+ yards, which our offense rarely calls for.
Colt had multiple passes of 20 of more yards last season. People are acting like Colt being QB was a dark age, when we should get the facts straight.
Colt last season wasn't fully healthy, he was learning his 2nd offense in two seasons, and had to learn the WCO without a training camp. His WR's led the league in drops, he was forced out of the pocket more often than most QB's in the NFL, and had no running game behind him. How many QB's can be successful with learning a new offense, having no WR's, no RB, and no line? NONE. Sure you can make the argument that he's supposed to make his teammates better, but his team mates would make any QB look worse.
And we replaced McCoy with a player who isn't better than him right now. Has less time to develop and literally Weeden will only be as good as the team around him, he's not gonna make the plays you see Big Ben, Drew Brees, and Tom Brady make. You can see that right now, he can't extend plays, and his WR's need to be open for him to get the ball to them.
We could've went this year with McCoy, then let McCoy's contract go out, and then moved on with a HIGH DRAFT PICK QB, without spending a 1st round pick on an average QB with little to no ceiling.
This is one of the most insightful things said on this board.
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How can you ask a Browns' fan to be patient? We've been bad my entire life and picking a QB in the 1st round whose ceiling is more likely 07 Derek Anderson than it is Aaron Rodgers makes me ridiculously angry.
If we went with Colt this year and went 1-15, who cares? Colt's contract would be up and we wouldn't be tied in with ANY QB. Now with Weeden we have to wait for him to magically become an above average or great QB and sustain it somehow through his physical decline. He's going to be 30 in his second season, do you really see him making the jump from what he is now(which is one of the worst QB's in the NFL) to being one of the better QB's in the NFL?
Yes, Roger Staubach was 27 when the Cowboys drafted him.
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