We are going to need a Veteran Backup Qb!
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Vick is the best choice out there by far
I think we need to balance on-the-field potential with locker room/PR viability.
This ain't Fantasy Football, folks!
mz. said:
I think we need to balance on-the-field potential with locker room/PR viability.This ain't Fantasy Football, folks!
I duno mz the pussy
I think Vick might actually have turned a new leaf. I mean he did prison time. Not a slap on the wrist like most athletes get. I'm guessing this will really bring him down to earth. Although no telling what will happen when he gets money again. He will never get money like he had but even league minimum puts most of us to shame...
I would give him an incentive / behavior based contract and try him out as an all purpose player. If he screws up just cut him.
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mz. said:
I think we need to balance on-the-field potential with locker room/PR viability.This ain't Fantasy Football, folks!
I duno mz the pussy
I think Vick might actually have turned a new leaf. I mean he did prison time. Not a slap on the wrist like most athletes get. I'm guessing this will really bring him down to earth. Although no telling what will happen when he gets money again. He will never get money like he had but even league minimum puts most of us to shame...
I would give him an incentive / behavior based contract and try him out as an all purpose player. If he screws up just cut him.
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leftwich sounds great to me, though i doubt pittsburgh lets him go unless they somehow believe dennis dixon can be their backup or if they want charlie batch back.
however, i think they re-sign leftwich and let batch go. either way, he's a UFA, so we can make a push for him if we want, and i believe we should.
barring leftwich, the list is largely uninspiring. chris simms is an option, so's grossman. neither particularly fills me with confidence, especially since grossman is DA with a longer injury history.
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leftwich sounds great to me, though i doubt pittsburgh lets him go unless they somehow believe dennis dixon can be their backup or if they want charlie batch back.
however, i think they re-sign leftwich and let batch go. either way, he's a UFA, so we can make a push for him if we want, and i believe we should.
barring leftwich, the list is largely uninspiring. chris simms is an option, so's grossman. neither particularly fills me with confidence, especially since grossman is DA with a longer injury history.
leftwich sounds great to me, though i doubt pittsburgh lets him go unless they somehow believe dennis dixon can be their backup or if they want charlie batch back.
however, i think they re-sign leftwich and let batch go. either way, he's a UFA, so we can make a push for him if we want, and i believe we should.
barring leftwich, the list is largely uninspiring. chris simms is an option, so's grossman. neither particularly fills me with confidence, especially since grossman is DA with a longer injury history.
Like the Chris Simms...pick up! no doubt!
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A handful of starters and former starts will see their contracts expire after the season, and if their respective current teams don’t make a serious effort to re-sign them, we could see some significant shifts in the distribution of talent around the NFL.
Here are the top quarterbacks set to become free agents after the season is complete.
1. Kurt Warner - Arizona Cardinals - UFA - Kurt Warner had a Pro Bowl season in 2008, starting 16 games and lighting up opponents. The question at this point is, will the Cardinals retain him? I think so, especially if the Cardinals make a run in the postseason. Ken Whisenhunt has little faith or investment in Matt Leinart, who has proved himself to be an adequate career backup, and the Cardinals don’t really have another option at quarterback. Warner may turn 38 before the start of the 2009 season, but he’s proved his worth as an NFL starter. If the Cardinals decide to move on without him, expect him to find plenty of suitors around the NFL.
2. Matt Cassell - New England Patriots - UFA - It’s anyone’s guess whether the New England Patriots will attempt to re-sign Cassell, though Brady’s improving health and expectation to start in 2009 may make it easier to let Cassell go. Blessed by incredible talent around him, the 26-year old career backup put together some decent numbers in 2008, especially when considering expectations. Most importantly, he won games and kept the Patriots competitive and padded his resume at exactly the right time.
3. Jeff Garcia - Tampa Bay Buccaneers - UFA - Garcia may not post gaudy numbers, but he isn’t in an offense that gives him opportunities, either. The really big drawback with Garcia is his age (39), but he’s a suitable veteran presence and would fit well with a team drafting a rookie this season. He’s a smart quarterback who doesn’t make a lot of mistakes and a solid veteran.
4. Kyle Orton - Chicago Bears - UFA - Two Bears quarterbacks are unrestricted free agents after this season, and I don’t think it’s a big secret which the team would like to retain. Orton was solid in 2008, exceeding fans’ expectations and, at least sometimes, reminding us, yes, the Bears can throw the football. Expect Chicago to retain this starter.
5. Rex Grossman - Chicago Bears - UFA - One of the most criticized young quarterbacks in recent memory, Rex Grossman’s resume was damaged by several poor or mediocre seasons with Chicago. The oft-injured quarterback also appeared to have a severe case of fumblitis and footballphobia - a fear of the football - which seemed to hamper his ability to get through an entire game without fumbling the ball. Grossman is a serviceable backup, however, and still young enough to have a career of some length in the NFL.
6. Kerry Collins - Tennessee Titans - UFA - Word on the street is the Titans would like to sign Collins to a new contract after the season to keep him around at least one more season. Collins did an admirable job in replacing Vince Young this season and will likely continue his role as the team’s starter next season. Like Garcia, Collins played in an offense where he was expected to not make mistakes, and to that end he was very successful. Teams looking for more out of a starting quarterback, however, may wish to look elsewhere.
7. Kyle Boller - Baltimore Ravens - UFA - Boller is the perfect example of a quarterback whose career was damaged because he was drafted and started before he was ready. Boller now exists as a backup in Baltimore, a role he may soon find is no longer his. Teams looking for a decent backup can take a chance on Boller, but it has become increasingly obvious over the years he will never be an adequate NFL starter.
Others
8. Charlie Batch - UFA - Pittsburgh Steelers
9. J.T. O’Sullivan - UFA - San Francisco 49ers
10. Patrick Ramsey - UFA - Denver Broncos
11. Luke McCown - UFA - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
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Clearly we aren't looking at the top of this list, but the bottom looks interesting.
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I actually like Luke McCown
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Yinz ought to worry about getting a starting QB first.
Cart before the horse thing.
Regards
.... an'at
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Vick is the best choice out there by far
Vick is the best choice out there by far
I agree....I have always been big on people paying for their crimes. I have also been big on once those debts have been paid, we as a society need to give people a chance at redemption. A real honest chance.
Vicks problems weren't team related as in being a trouble maker in the lockerroom, and his problems aren't the type of thing that should be hard to correct...it isn't like Pacman where booze and women were his problem...those are harder to drop then will be not forming another dog fighting ring.
I know it sounds funny, but I would take Vick in a minute, and he might not even be the back-up....but he might not be the QB either.
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@shepwrite said:
J.P. Losman or Gus Frerotte.JP would be a good backup as would Chris Simms. I'm sure Simms would prefer to be #2 instead of #3. And if for some reason, just saying, Quinn isn't who we hoped he'd be - Simms has started in this league and led TB into the playoffs. He's gotta a cannon for an arm.
Another guy that's kept kind of quiet is Todd Collins. His wear and tear is as minimal as Don Strock's was. There's guys out there that can help us better than Dorsey and Gradkowski IMO. I want a QB that can at least get the ball past the line of scrimmage if the wind is in our face.
- Tom F.
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Yinz ought to worry about getting a starting QB first.
Cart before the horse thing.
Regards
.... an'at
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Steeler SChuck said:
Yinz ought to worry about getting a starting QB first.Cart before the horse thing.
Regards
.... an'at
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Thanks for your interest, but we have one.
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@jadbf said:
Naah gradkowski doesn't suck AS BAD as Dorsey...Dorsey takes it to a whole new level.
Never said Gradkowski was good. Just said I don't really care who they go out and get. You're not going to get anyone great...so that's the last thing on my mind.
and I said WC TYPE offense. Read through the guy who looks to be the next OC here. Looks like a pretty good possibility to me.
Not to mention Gradkowski came in how late to CLE and by that point the team had completely quit.
Not saying Brad is the answer at backup, but he ain't as bad as Dorsey. I mean Dorsey knows the offense better than anyone (Chud was his OC in MIA) and still was terrible.
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this is funny considering Mangini and the jets got rid of Pennington who Brady is very similar to in order to get a gunslinger who tends to turnover the ball like DA. I think this is going to be a long offseason of conjecture on the qb position and free agency.
this is funny considering Mangini and the jets got rid of Pennington who Brady is very similar to in order to get a gunslinger who tends to turnover the ball like DA. I think this is going to be a long offseason of conjecture on the qb position and free agency.
The only thing similar between Quinn and Pennington is that they are both bright.
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Vick is the best choice out there by far
Vick is the best choice out there by far
If you want a guy who can't pass the ball to save his life.
Saying Vick is the best choice out there is like saying Prior is the best QB in college.
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Please not Grossman. I deal with enough from Bears fans here in Chicago. If we picked up their garbage, I'd never hear the end of it.
Leftwich or Batch... I've been saying this since Batch went down and Leftwich was brought to Pittsburgh. Two solid back-ups with starting experience.
Intrigued by the thought of Ferrotte. Brought the Vikings back from the brink. Lots of experience.
DA is still a viable option, as well. Let's face it. Fans in Cleveland will not be chanting his name if Brady starts to struggle. The only thing i don't like about keeping him around is the divided locker room. some guys like DA better the Brady. Could cause some problems.
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@inspecta said:
Vick can throw the ball, but your right he can't pass for shit.However as a raw athlete, there are few like him. It could be a fresh start for him, new city, new team, and a new position.
I'm all about redemption, and while what he did was despicable, if he really did learn his lesson (and prison tends to help you with that) and has turned over a new leaf then I say give him a shot. All this talk about PR nightmare is ridiculous, it's not like the Browns are running for public office and we need votes or some bullshit. Browns fans are gonna support the Browns no matter what, and lets be frank, we get ridiculed by everybody outside of Cleveland anyway, who gives a shit what they think?
Besides if he comes back and is a key piece to our offense and we start winning nobody is g oing to care about his past. Winning cures everything.
You hit it. Vick can throw, but he can't pass.
He needs to be a RB or a WR.
I'll still pass on the dude.
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Leftwich
Batch
Ferrotte
All would be good possibilities. These are the types of QBs that could come in and actually score a TD. You don't need a bank breaker but you need someone good enough to be able to run the offense. Then you take a mid round draft pick and develop him. Someone like a Cassell.
Brown's signed Gradkowski to a two year contract so they could at least bring him to camp as a practice QB. Also, to see if he could win the #3 job. If he got into playing shape and knew the offense, he may just a guy that could hold down a #3 job.
You got to have 4 QBs in camp just to get all the work done that you need to get done and also so you don't burn out the arm of your starter.
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Leftwich is a better QB than all of the QB's on your roster combined. Keep dreaming.
Regards
.... an'at
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Leftwich is a better QB than all of the QB's on your roster combined. Keep dreaming.
Regards
.... an'at
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Steeler SChuck said:
Leftwich is a better QB than all of the QB's on your roster combined. Keep dreaming.
Regards
.... an'at
Myron
before ya enz ship Leftwich to we enz , ya enz may be needen a QB of ya enz own considering the amount of concussions Ben's had
an'at,his gay parade may be about over specially after the Titans knock the taste outta his mouf next week an'at
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Steeler SChuck said:
Leftwich is a better QB than all of the QB's on your roster combined. Keep dreaming.
Regards
.... an'at
Myron
before ya enz ship Leftwich to we enz , ya enz may be needen a QB of ya enz own considering the amount of concussions Ben's had
an'at,his gay parade may be about over specially after the Titans knock the taste outta his mouf next week an'at
Steeler SChuck said:
Leftwich is a better QB than all of the QB's on your roster combined. Keep dreaming.
Regards
.... an'at
Myron
before ya enz ship Leftwich to we enz , ya enz may be needen a QB of ya enz own considering the amount of concussions Ben's had
an'at,his gay parade may be about over specially after the Titans knock the taste outta his mouf next week an'at
This has to be the worst retort I've ever read.
You couldn't even get the quote box right.
Regards
.... an'at
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