Rock Hall Nominations

[The Gipper]

My choices from this group would be: Deep Purple, Procul Harum, Heart, and Joan Jett.

And I guess, Donna Summer (though I am not a disco fan).

I am not a big fan of Newman and Rush, but I know they have their followings.

I am not familiar with the work of Albert King, Chic, or The Meters, so I cannot judge. I just figure if I don't know much about them, they must not be all that and a bag of chips.

I am not into rap, so I wouldn't go for the rappers, but, I recognize that the nominees in that genre, N.W.A. and Public Enemy are big names in rap, so if they get in, so be it.

I think the Marvelettes were one of those middling black chick groups from the 50s/early 60s...but the big names of that category are already in so I don't know why a lower level group of that sort should make it.

I guess if you are in to Euro Technopop, Kraftwerk would be a big name there. I just am not that impressed overall with them.

And I guess if you are into the blues, which I do like some, then Paul Butterfield would be an appropriate choice. There are few if any pure blues bands in the RRHOF, so I guess they would be on my next level.

But, my question is: Aren't there some incredibly much more worthy names that are missing from this list?

I bet we could come up with a couple dozen.

[VaporTrail]

[The Gipper]

Would not many if not most of these acts be as worthy as those selected?:

B-52s

Bon Jovi

The Cars

Cat Stevens

Hall and Oates

Cheap Trick

Chicago

Dire Straits

The Doobie Bros.

INXS

Electic Light Orchestra

Emerson, Lake and Palmer

The Eurythmics

Harry Nillson

Jan and Dean

Jethro Tull

Journey

KISS

The Monkees

Moody Blues

Motley Crue

Peter Gabriel

Peter, Paul and Mary

Roxy Music

Soundgarden

Steppenwolf

Stevie Ray Vaughn

YES

The Zombies.

Others?

[dab7291993]

Even though I live in Cleveland, I haven't been to the Rock Hall since I was in All-City choir in 5th grade.

Public Enemy, Rush, and Heart should get in though.

[NaplesBrowns420]

@the-gipper said:

Would not many if not most of these acts be as worthy as those selected?:

B-52s

Bon Jovi

The Cars

Cat Stevens

Hall and Oates

Cheap Trick

Chicago

Dire Straits

The Doobie Bros.

INXS

Electic Light Orchestra

Emerson, Lake and Palmer

The Eurythmics

Harry Nillson

Jan and Dean

Jethro Tull

Journey

KISS

The Monkees

Moody Blues

Motley Crue

Peter Gabriel

Peter, Paul and Mary

Roxy Music

Soundgarden

Steppenwolf

Stevie Ray Vaughn

YES

The Zombies.

Others?

Of that group, I'd say Chicago, Dire Straits, E.L.O., Stevie Ray, and maybe Doobie, that's it. Harry Nillson needs to be forgotten, he sucked. If Bon Jovi ever gets in, the world may turn very rainbowy, very quickly. Cat Stevens will never get in, for that won't fly in today's society. Tull, too weird. Journey, too cheesy. Speaking of cheese in large amounts, B-52's, The Cars, and The Monkees; especially The Monkees. Peter, Paul, and Mary, though they may have dug rock and roll music, they certainly did not play it. Soundgarden won't get in for another ten years, for their music is still somewhat mainstream somehow.

[VaporTrail]

Bon Jovi will get a nomination in the next decade. I'd agree with Hall and Oates, ELO, Jethro Tull and Moody Blues.

I think if Rush gets in, that opens the door for Emerson, Lake & Palmer as well as YES, but I don't think they get in for maybe another 5-10 years.

[The Gipper]

@naplesbrowns420 said:

Of that group, I'd say Chicago, Dire Straits, E.L.O., Stevie Ray, and maybe Doobie, that's it. Harry Nillson needs to be forgotten, he sucked. If Bon Jovi ever gets in, the world may turn very rainbowy, very quickly. Cat Stevens will never get in, for that won't fly in today's society. Tull, too weird. Journey, too cheesy. Speaking of cheese in large amounts, B-52's, The Cars, and The Monkees; especially The Monkees. Peter, Paul, and Mary, though they may have dug rock and roll music, they certainly did not play it. Soundgarden won't get in for another ten years, for their music is still somewhat mainstream somehow.

Since when was "weird" bad in the world or Rock n Roll. Tull is weird, outstandingly weird. As are many rock acts. So, weird is NOT a qualification to keep them out.

As for cheesy....ABBA is in the RRHOF. How the effing hell can you get any cheesier than that. So, clearly, cheesy is not a qualification to keep someone out.

Peter, Paul and Mary may not play rock n roll music, but then neither do the disco or rap acts, or some of the other genres that have representatives in there. And the RRHOF does have Pete Seger, Woody Guthrie, Bob Dylan and other folk acts in it..Simon and Garfunkel, so clearly being a folk act is no disqualification.

Soundgarden may not get in because they just are sorta considered fourth rate material on the grunge genre behind Nirvana, Alice in Chains and Pearl Jam.

[The Gipper]

@vaportrail said:

Bon Jovi will get a nomination in the next decade. I'd agree with Hall and Oates, ELO, Jethro Tull and Moody Blues.

I think if Rush gets in, that opens the door for Emerson, Lake & Palmer as well as YES, but I don't think they get in for maybe another 5-10 years.

Are you trying to say that Rush is considered a "Progressive Rock" act along the lines of Tull/Yes/ELP/Moody Blues?

If so, you are the first person I have ever heard claim them to be of that genre.

[The Gipper]

Well, whip me with a wet noodle. I guess many do think of Rush as "Prog". I never envisioned it myself, but here is one version of the top 100 Progressive rock acts:

1. Yes

2. King Crimson

3. Genesis

4. Emerson Lake & Palmer

5. Pink Floyd

6. Rush

7. Jethro Tull

8. Mothers of Invention

9. Dream Theater

10. Kraftwerk

11. Traffic

12. Dixie Dregs

13. Gentle Giant

14. Van der Graaf Generator

15. The Moody Blues

16. Marillion

17. Frank Zappa

18. Magma

19. Gong

20. Kansas

21. Tangerine Dream

22. Caravan

23. Mahavishnu Orchestra

24. The Soft Machine

25. Family

26. Hawkwind

27. Mike Oldfield

28. Uriah Heep

29. Camel

30. Rick Wakeman

31. Peter Gabriel

32. The Flower Kings

33. Premiata Forneria Marconi

34. The Strawbs

35. Renaissance

36. Can

37. Goblin

38. Wigwam

39. Queensryche

40. Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso

41. Electric Light Orchestra

42. King's X

43. Anglagard

44. Amon Düül

45. Procol Harum

46. Brian Eno

47. Captain Beefheart & the Magic Band

48. Eloy

49. Porcupine Tree

50. The Alan Parson's Project

51. Bo Hansson

52. The Beatles

53. Spock's Beard

54. Asia

55. Vangelis

56. Le Orme

57. Tool

58. Fate's Warning

59. Ayreon

60. Baryclay James Harvest

61. Ange

62. IQ

63. Utopia

64. Opeth

65. Ozric Tentacles

66. Symphony X

67. Liquid Tension Experiment

68. Transatlantic

69. Steve Hackett

70. Aphrodite's Child

71. Focus

72. Supertramp

73. Adrian Belew

74. California Guitar Trio

75. Anekdoten

76. Savatage

77. Area

78. Hatfield & the North

79. Styx

80. Happy The Man

81. Nektar

82. Henry Cow

83. Robert Fripp

84. Saga

85. Primus

86. Bozzio Levin Stevens

87. Niacin

88. The Nice

89. Shadow Gallery

90. UK

91. The Mars Volta

92. Atomic Rooster

93. Birth Control

94. Andromeda

95. Pain of Salvation

96. Comus

97. Roxy Music

98. Pendragon

99. Rhapsody

100. Stratovarius

I have not heard of a lot of these....and I would probably disagree seriously with some of these rankings.

(Any list that would put The Beatles 52d clearly has no clue.....the fact that the Beatles invented Prog rock of course does not even mean that they should be classified as such.)

[The Gipper]

My top 20 of Prog rock would be as follows. (I leave The Beatles out because that would be like saying God is a mortal human). I also leave out Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention because I don't think they are Prog. They are something, I'm not sure what though:

1.Pink Floyd

2. King Crimson

3. Jethro Tull

4. ELO

5. Procul Harum

6. Emerson, Lake, Palmer

7. Genesis

8. Roxy Music..and Eno (offshot)

8.A Golden Earring

9. Moody Blues

10. Utopia/Todd Rundgren (I assume this is the Todd Rundgren band)

11. Traffic

12. Asia

13. Kansas

14. Peter Gabriel

15. The Strawbs

16. Uriah Heep

17. Atomic Rooster

18. Fripp

19. Styx

20. Tangerine Dream

21. Rush

22. 10cc

23. Toto

[VaporTrail]

I think prog, most generally defined, would be rock music that showcases technical proficiency, odd time signatures, as well as taking risks on songs that you will typically not see in the Billboard Top 100.

Prog is my favorite genre, and here's my top 10. I am not a fan of metal, so bands like Symphony X and Opeth won't be on it.

1. Pink Floyd

2. Rush

3. Genesis

4. Dream Theater

5. Jethro Tull

6. Porcupine Tree

7. Electric Light Orchestra

8. Blackfield

Two newer acts that I really, really like are 30 Seconds to Mars and Dirt Poor Robins. Not sure if I'd fit them on a top 10 list, but as of now, I can't think of any bands that deserve to be on my list more than those two.

[nickers]

well Deep Purple,Heart and Albert King get My vote...Albert King was a strong influence on many guitarists including Myself. Not to mention Ritchie Blackmore and Nancy Wilson who made many contributions to influencing an age of musicians like Myself in thier own right.

[Nw220]

Yes to Rush,Jethro Tull,ELO, The Csrs,Dire Straits,Doobie Bros,Moody Blues,SteppenWolf among others...

Didnt even know some of these werent in, Are Fleetwood Mac in??? Just saw Stevie Nicks the other night for her last performance and she was pretty amazaing...

[ballpeen]

@the-gipper said:

Would not many if not most of these acts be as worthy as those selected?:

B-52s

Bon Jovi

The Cars

Cat Stevens

Hall and Oates

Cheap Trick

Chicago

Dire Straits

The Doobie Bros.

INXS

Electic Light Orchestra

Emerson, Lake and Palmer

The Eurythmics

Harry Nillson

Jan and Dean

Jethro Tull

Journey

KISS

The Monkees

Moody Blues

Motley Crue

Peter Gabriel

Peter, Paul and Mary

Roxy Music

Soundgarden

Steppenwolf

Stevie Ray Vaughn

YES

The Zombies.

Others?

We've been through this before....Chicago needs to be in. They were cutting edge, rocking out with a horn section, and had a ton of hits and about 20 top selling albums. Terry Kath was a GREAT guitar player who flys under most radar. Jimmi Hendrix spent many hours trying to figure out Kaths solos. He was a great fan of Kath's.

Also, Paul Rodgers needs to get in, either as the front man of Free or more likely, Bad Company. Now he is Queens lead singer.

Rodgers is the voice of 70's R&R

[The Cysko Kid]

@ballpeen said:

We've been through this before....Chicago needs to be in. They were cutting edge, rocking out with a horn section, and had a ton of hits and about 20 top selling albums. Terry Kath was a GREAT guitar player who flys under most radar. Jimmi Hendrix spent many hours trying to figure out Kaths solos. He was a great fan of Kath's.

Also, Paul Rodgers needs to get in, either as the front man of Free or more likely, Bad Company. Now he is Queens lead singer.

He did a tour or two with queen, but he's not the lead singer of queen. He was terrible, by the way, just like many people trying to tackle Freddie mercury's parts. Unsatisfactory. The guy from foo fighters (not Dave grohl) does Freddie better.

[Bob806]

RRHOF is a very subjective thing. Everybody's musical tastes seem to vary.

If it was me, the whole shebang would have started with the Beatles, Elvis, Rolling Stones, The Who, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, & Pink Floyd.

THEN, now who do we put in?

I find it laughable that Joni Mitchell & Billy Joel got in before Black Sabbath, and Deep Purple, Alice Cooper & Kiss still aren't in. Has anybody ever been to a party/gathering where somebody said "crank up the Billy Joel, or Joni Mitchell? Don't get me wrong, those artists (Joel, Mitchell)have good tunes, but RRHOF worthy? Hmm

[FairHooker11]

@the-gipper said:

My top 20 of Prog rock would be as follows. (I leave The Beatles out because that would be like saying God is a mortal human). I also leave out Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention because I don't think they are Prog. They are something, I'm not sure what though:

1.Pink Floyd

2. King Crimson

3. Jethro Tull

4. ELO

5. Procul Harum

6. Emerson, Lake, Palmer

7. Genesis

8. Roxy Music..and Eno (offshot)

8.A Golden Earring

9. Moody Blues

10. Utopia/Todd Rundgren (I assume this is the Todd Rundgren band)

11. Traffic

12. Asia

13. Kansas

14. Peter Gabriel

15. The Strawbs

16. Uriah Heep

17. Atomic Rooster

18. Fripp

19. Styx

20. Tangerine Dream

21. Rush

22. 10cc

23. Toto

yea Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention would be more like Jazz/Rock fusion... a sub genre of prog

[FairHooker11]

@vaportrail said:

I think prog, most generally defined, would be rock music that showcases technical proficiency, odd time signatures, as well as taking risks on songs that you will typically not see in the Billboard Top 100.

Prog is my favorite genre, and here's my top 10. I am not a fan of metal, so bands like Symphony X and Opeth won't be on it.

1. Pink Floyd

2. Rush

3. Genesis

4. Dream Theater

5. Jethro Tull

6. Porcupine Tree

7. Electric Light Orchestra

8. Blackfield

Two newer acts that I really, really like are 30 Seconds to Mars and Dirt Poor Robins. Not sure if I'd fit them on a top 10 list, but as of now, I can't think of any bands that deserve to be on my list more than those two.

funny how how much of the 70's brand of prog music still has the gas to keep going!

Im with you on your list, Id add Kansas , ELP instead of Blackfield and Porcupine Tree simply because I havent heard of them.. due to my age I bet! lol

Dream Theater is excellent - and Rush just simply impresses live!

[NaplesBrowns420]

@the-gipper said:

Since when was "weird" bad in the world or Rock n Roll. Tull is weird, outstandingly weird. As are many rock acts. So, weird is NOT a qualification to keep them out.

As for cheesy....ABBA is in the RRHOF. How the effing hell can you get any cheesier than that. So, clearly, cheesy is not a qualification to keep someone out.

Peter, Paul and Mary may not play rock n roll music, but then neither do the disco or rap acts, or some of the other genres that have representatives in there. And the RRHOF does have Pete Seger, Woody Guthrie, Bob Dylan and other folk acts in it..Simon and Garfunkel, so clearly being a folk act is no disqualification.

Soundgarden may not get in because they just are sorta considered fourth rate material on the grunge genre behind Nirvana, Alice in Chains and Pearl Jam.

About Jethro Tull, I would love nothing more than to see them honored; I just think most voters won't vote for them because they didn't have enough of a loyal following. I agree on Soundgarden, very overrated in my opinion. Peter, Paul, and Mary in no way, shape, or form compare to Seger, Guthrie, or Dylan. Besides, Rolling Stone Magazine still ranks Dylan's Like a Rolling Stone as #1 rock song of all time. Simon and Garfunkel, they speak for themselves. I still think they are underrated.

Abba was huge. As much as I can't tolerate them, I will give them respect enough to say that they were giants in the industry. They were offered a billion in euroland for a reunion tour years ago, so that says something for them. The B-52's are no ABBA.

I am very biased though when it comes to The Cars and Bon Jovi. I want to rip my eyes out and put them in my ear holes when I hear them. I hate their writing style.

[NaplesBrowns420]

Plus, Chicago needs to be in. I think I forgot to mention Procol Harum, but I, until recently, only knew Whiter Shade of Pale. I started listening to their vinyls a year ago, and I instantly fell in love with them.

However, I believe the Hall of Fame is too easy to get into. I want to see only the best in there, not some of the decent bands that had a good run.

Donovan, I like, but I don't believe he deserves to be in. Beastie Boys, Guns N' Roses, The Hollies, and Velvet Underground all fall under the same for me as well. Good bands, yes, but I don't and never will consider them elite.