Inept Coach Throws Rookie Qb Under The Bus.
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If you want to kick Shurmur, I'm right there with ya, but make no mistake, this is Heckert's team. He's the one who drafted college tackles to play guard in the NFL. He's the one who cut a real FB after he drafted Marecic. (We're the only team in the league that starts a FB who can't block or catch.) Heckert's the guy who used a 2nd rd pick to draft a wr with one year of college experience in Little, and then did it again with Gordon. It was Heckert who blew 3 draft picks to move up for an injured RB in Hardesty.
And don't get me started on his use of FA, or should I say lack thereof.
I could go on, but you get my point. Heckert is JAG as an GM. There a reason why he never had final say in Philly, and he won't have it here after the season.
The team CAN and NEEDS to do a lot better than Heckert if we're ever going to get out of this mess.
I agree 100%. You build a team with mid to late round picks. ANY GM can get the first round correct. It's the "GREAT" GM that gets high quality talent in rounds 3-6. Not everyone on your team can be a first rounder
I agree 100%. You build a team with mid to late round picks. ANY GM can get the first round correct. It's the "GREAT" GM that gets high quality talent in rounds 3-6. Not everyone on your team can be a first rounder
Exactly!
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Who needed a couple games? lol
When Holmgren hired Shurmur it was obvious he was not qualified to be a HC and on top of that the whole Lamonte thing came into play, thing stunk of cronyism from the get go.
I don't think anyone is surprised Shurmur is a complete failure.
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Who needed a couple games? lol
When Holmgren hired Shurmur it was obvious he was not qualified to be a HC and on top of that the whole Lamonte thing came into play, thing stunk of cronyism from the get go.
I don't think anyone is surprised Shurmur is a complete failure.
Who needed a couple games? lol
When Holmgren hired Shurmur it was obvious he was not qualified to be a HC and on top of that the whole Lamonte thing came into play, thing stunk of cronyism from the get go.
I don't think anyone is surprised Shurmur is a complete failure.
Surprised? No- but hopeful for the best, as always. Holmgren wrote his legacy firing Mangini, and gift wrapping the job to one of his pal's kid. I really wonder where we'd be right now if Big Mike had the guts to say Mangini looks like a pretty decent coach, and maybe HIS not my (outdated) system will work here.
Personally I'd bet the ranch we wouldn't be 0-5.
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Agreed holmgren is a poop.. He was never all in which was apparent during his radio interview in Seattle.. He botched the mangini firing.. He had no intentions ib keeping mangini. Should have fired him the first year he came in or kept him.. Mangini is way better coach than shurmur...
You don't keep a guy for the sake of continuity..
I can only Hope that haslam makes a good choice with GM and headcoach.
Holmgren, heckert, shurmur fuck you too!
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If you want to kick Shurmur, I'm right there with ya, but make no mistake, this is Heckert's team. He's the one who drafted college tackles to play guard in the NFL. He's the one who cut a real FB after he drafted Marecic. (We're the only team in the league that starts a FB who can't block or catch.) Heckert's the guy who used a 2nd rd pick to draft a wr with one year of college experience in Little, and then did it again with Gordon. It was Heckert who blew 3 draft picks to move up for an injured RB in Hardesty.
And don't get me started on his use of FA, or should I say lack thereof.
I could go on, but you get my point. Heckert is JAG as an GM. There a reason why he never had final say in Philly, and he won't have it here after the season.
The team CAN and NEEDS to do a lot better than Heckert if we're ever going to get out of this mess.
I agree 100%. You build a team with mid to late round picks. ANY GM can get the first round correct. It's the "GREAT" GM that gets high quality talent in rounds 3-6. Not everyone on your team can be a first rounder
I agree 100%. You build a team with mid to late round picks. ANY GM can get the first round correct. It's the "GREAT" GM that gets high quality talent in rounds 3-6. Not everyone on your team can be a first rounder
I agree. The best teams build from the bottom up. Most everybody on this board could make a 1st through 3rd rounder and hit or blow it as well as any GM out there.
By blow it, I mean we could make the same pick 3/4 of the GMs would make and the kid just flunks out for no apparent reason....that happens.
The guys who last and make the money and win a ring are the guys who consistently find starting to solid back-up players in rounds 4-7.
Oddly, Heck hasn't done all that badly there, but his 2nd and 3rd rounders have been very iffy at this point.
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They ain't going to fire anyone till the end of the season. Then you will see a big change. What is with you people who think they will fire after so few games? Fucking kids.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
You guys have way too much hope. Weeden will never be a QB in the NFL. Your dreams are spoiled. Live with it.... Bring in Colt
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You guys have way too much hope. Weeden will never be a QB in the NFL. Your dreams are spoiled. Live with it.... Bring in Colt
Chickenwang said:
You guys have way too much hope. Weeden will never be a QB in the NFL. Your dreams are spoiled. Live with it.... Bring in Colt
You're an idiot "Wang"
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They ain't going to fire anyone till the end of the season. Then you will see a big change. What is with you people who think they will fire after so few games? Fucking kids.
They ain't going to fire anyone till the end of the season. Then you will see a big change. What is with you people who think they will fire after so few games? Fucking kids.
11 game losing streak is one reason why I don't think Shurmur sees the end of the season. The new owner is going to want to make an impression immediately with the fans and the losing streak could be at 12 by the time he takes over and a coach with a 4 and 17 record possibly at worst or 5-16 at best just isn't going to cut it I wouldn't think.
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You guys have way too much hope. Weeden will never be a QB in the NFL. Your dreams are spoiled. Live with it.... Bring in Colt
Chickenwang said:
You guys have way too much hope. Weeden will never be a QB in the NFL. Your dreams are spoiled. Live with it.... Bring in Colt
Says the guy who thinks a QB that no one in in the NFL wanted for as little as a bag of footballs is better than the guy with 5 NFL starts and he made at least one play on Sunday that Colt can only dream of making. And it wasn't the crappy INT on 3rd and 1. We saw plenty of those from noodle arm Colt in his 2 years of playing.
Roosterdick is even worse than lumpburg used to be for Derek Anderception...at least lumpburg could be funny once in awhile.
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Say what you want about Shurmur but he's right about that pass. He is getting killed for the 3 &1 throw but newsflash, Gordon was open and Weeden threw a terrible pass. If the ball was where it should be and Gordon doesn't drop it.......wait for it.......First Down Browns. What kills me is the second guessing of run vs pass when it was clear Gordon was open.
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They ain't going to fire anyone till the end of the season. Then you will see a big change. What is with you people who think they will fire after so few games? Fucking kids.
They ain't going to fire anyone till the end of the season. Then you will see a big change. What is with you people who think they will fire after so few games? Fucking kids.
I wish I was 27 year old kid.
Just saying....
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It wasn't even that bad..
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A couple of opinions:
1) I have no problem with the pass on third and 1, but leave TR in and use the play action to freeze the linebackers. Bring in Obi and you are telegraphing the pass. He could have used Obi in a running play or mis-direction play, but to bring him in and pass is just being obvious.
2) Weeden should have hit the reciever on that play, it was a bad throw.
3) Weeden shouldn't have been thrown under the bus, but he made a number of poor passes/decisions and should be held accountable.
4) Weeden has the potential to be a great QB. He is getting better and better each week. We will know for sure next year.
5) I see half a team of quality starters - most are young and need more experience. But this is the first time I can say that, and it gives me reasonfor optimism.
6) Shurmer has to go and he is far worse than Mangini. But Mangini wasn't good enough either.
7) Can someone find the quote that the new owner would wait until the end of the season before making changes. I saw the headline in articles but never saw an exact quote where he said exactly those words (but maybe I missed it).
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Shurmer has no control of this team and it's obvious. He's hands down the worst coach in the NFL and IMO the blame falls squarely on his shoulders about this team. You know, I was looking over his resume and why the hell did this guy even become a head coach? His claim to fame was being the OC for the Rams, but in this 3 years there the offense ranked 29th, 26th, and 31st. I don't care if he was an apple on the great coaching tree, he has absolutely no business being on the sidelines. The Walrus and Shurmer have to go, plain and simple. Heckert stays, Childress as OC, Jauron as DC, and when the Eagles fire Reid this year (I'm calling it now) scoop him up. This team isn't a super bowl champion but isn't 0-5 bad either.
I think fat ass Holmgren hired Shurmur as a favor to his friend the late Fritz Shurmur. Not to mention, Holmgren's big ego wouldn't have allowed for a credible head coach to come in to coach this team!
I think fat ass Holmgren hired Shurmur as a favor to his friend the late Fritz Shurmur. Not to mention, Holmgren's big ego wouldn't have allowed for a credible head coach to come in to coach this team!
ya think??
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Mangini would have had a field day with the talent we have now. For as much as we chided Mangini and Daboll for being conservative, Shurmur brings it to a completely different level.
Could you imagine the trickeration? I believe we'd see at least two reverses a game, and a HB pass.
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They ain't going to fire anyone till the end of the season. Then you will see a big change. What is with you people who think they will fire after so few games? Fucking kids.
They ain't going to fire anyone till the end of the season. Then you will see a big change. What is with you people who think they will fire after so few games? Fucking kids.
Well, us "kids"- that would be me and 'Peen- have seen every coach the Browns have ever had- Paul Brown on. Live and in person.
You do realize should the Browns lose Sunday (and I'm betting on it) Shurmur will be the proud owner of overseeing the longest losing streak in Browns history? Few games? You forget about the stellar record we had last year? Just how many more consecutive losses will Haslam put up with in your book?
I can't speak for Ballpeen, but if I was Haslam, Shurmur gets a call to clean out his office and get the hell out of town the second JH is the official owner.
IMHO, you'd have to go all the way back to the early seventies to find a Browns coach that even approached Shurmur's level of incompetence. The ONLY reason to keep Patsy around is to lock up a 0-16 (or at best) 2-14 record to secure the first pick in the 2013 draft.
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Shurmur....dead man walkin.
His demeanor at Sundays press conference reminded me of somebody who's favorite dog just got run over by
the dude bangin' his wife on the side.
He's in way over his head.
Hit the road, loser. The sooner the better so Haslam can bring in somebody to sort out the colossal donkey
fuck he's (Shurmur) so incompetantly put together in Berea.
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They ain't going to fire anyone till the end of the season. Then you will see a big change. What is with you people who think they will fire after so few games? Fucking kids.
Well, us "kids"- that would be me and 'Peen- have seen every coach the Browns have ever had- Paul Brown on. Live and in person.
You do realize should the Browns lose Sunday (and I'm betting on it) Shurmur will be the proud owner of overseeing the longest losing streak in Browns history? Few games? You forget about the stellar record we had last year? Just how many more consecutive losses will Haslam put up with in your book?
I can't speak for Ballpeen, but if I was Haslam, Shurmur gets a call to clean out his office and get the hell out of town the second JH is the official owner.
IMHO, you'd have to go all the way back to the early seventies to find a Browns coach that even approached Shurmur's level of incompetence. The ONLY reason to keep Patsy around is to lock up a 0-16 (or at best) 2-14 record to secure the first pick in the 2013 draft.
Well, us "kids"- that would be me and 'Peen- have seen every coach the Browns have ever had- Paul Brown on. Live and in person.
You do realize should the Browns lose Sunday (and I'm betting on it) Shurmur will be the proud owner of overseeing the longest losing streak in Browns history? Few games? You forget about the stellar record we had last year? Just how many more consecutive losses will Haslam put up with in your book?
I can't speak for Ballpeen, but if I was Haslam, Shurmur gets a call to clean out his office and get the hell out of town the second JH is the official owner.
IMHO, you'd have to go all the way back to the early seventies to find a Browns coach that even approached Shurmur's level of incompetence. The ONLY reason to keep Patsy around is to lock up a 0-16 (or at best) 2-14 record to secure the first pick in the 2013 draft.
Shurmer is on the clock on Sunday. I have been patient this year, but that is over. Time to voice displeasure.
And show displeasure. I usually stick to the end of games...at least that last seconds. Sunday, I leave at halftime if we are down by more than 7.
Even more distressing to a owner is seeing whatever crowd showed up, start to leave early. That tells him those people don't believe the team can come back....and that is a reflection more on the staff than the players.
These trips up have gotten to be less and less about the game and more about seeing a few folks at some tailgate spot, talk to the nice folks who sit behind me inside the stadium, catching a nice dinner or lunch somewhere, and stomping around my old homestead. The game?? Pfft....it's more like some carnival. A few thrilling rides here and there, but mostly pretty cheesy and boring.
It's why I think I am getting club seats next year. I can watch the Browns, then head in to the club to catch a nice brunch and watch some real football on TV. Stick my head outside, see what we are doing, then decide if it is time to leave or not.
I also think clubs will be easier to sell. More and more people only want to go to 1-2 games, and when they do, they don't mind springing for a premium seat.
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Well, us "kids"- that would be me and 'Peen- have seen every coach the Browns have ever had- Paul Brown on. Live and in person.
You do realize should the Browns lose Sunday (and I'm betting on it) Shurmur will be the proud owner of overseeing the longest losing streak in Browns history? Few games? You forget about the stellar record we had last year? Just how many more consecutive losses will Haslam put up with in your book?
I can't speak for Ballpeen, but if I was Haslam, Shurmur gets a call to clean out his office and get the hell out of town the second JH is the official owner.
IMHO, you'd have to go all the way back to the early seventies to find a Browns coach that even approached Shurmur's level of incompetence. The ONLY reason to keep Patsy around is to lock up a 0-16 (or at best) 2-14 record to secure the first pick in the 2013 draft.
Shurmer is on the clock on Sunday. I have been patient this year, but that is over. Time to voice displeasure.
And show displeasure. I usually stick to the end of games...at least that last seconds. Sunday, I leave at halftime if we are down by more than 7.
Even more distressing to a owner is seeing whatever crowd showed up, start to leave early. That tells him those people don't believe the team can come back....and that is a reflection more on the staff than the players.
These trips up have gotten to be less and less about the game and more about seeing a few folks at some tailgate spot, talk to the nice folks who sit behind me inside the stadium, catching a nice dinner or lunch somewhere, and stomping around my old homestead. The game?? Pfft....it's more like some carnival. A few thrilling rides here and there, but mostly pretty cheesy and boring.
It's why I think I am getting club seats next year. I can watch the Browns, then head in to the club to catch a nice brunch and watch some real football on TV. Stick my head outside, see what we are doing, then decide if it is time to leave or not.
I also think clubs will be easier to sell. More and more people only want to go to 1-2 games, and when they do, they don't mind springing for a premium seat.
Shurmer is on the clock on Sunday. I have been patient this year, but that is over. Time to voice displeasure.
And show displeasure. I usually stick to the end of games...at least that last seconds. Sunday, I leave at halftime if we are down by more than 7.
Even more distressing to a owner is seeing whatever crowd showed up, start to leave early. That tells him those people don't believe the team can come back....and that is a reflection more on the staff than the players.
These trips up have gotten to be less and less about the game and more about seeing a few folks at some tailgate spot, talk to the nice folks who sit behind me inside the stadium, catching a nice dinner or lunch somewhere, and stomping around my old homestead. The game?? Pfft....it's more like some carnival. A few thrilling rides here and there, but mostly pretty cheesy and boring.
It's why I think I am getting club seats next year. I can watch the Browns, then head in to the club to catch a nice brunch and watch some real football on TV. Stick my head outside, see what we are doing, then decide if it is time to leave or not.
I also think clubs will be easier to sell. More and more people only want to go to 1-2 games, and when they do, they don't mind springing for a premium seat.
I'm one of those 1-2 games club seat guys. Keep me in mind in 2013
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