Been Doing It For Fifty Plus Years
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Formerly Sane said:
There is one major flaw in your logic (that's an oxymoron in reference to you) none of those cities are Cleveland.
That statement obviously shows your ignorance, stupidity and prejudice. The city is irrelevent. Pittsburgh had the team with the longest consecutive string of losing seasons in the history of American sports.
Actually, there is another flaw, all of the examples you gave did what they did in a completely different era of football. Not to mention that those few examples are the exception, there are many, many, more examples of it not working.
Also, if you knew your Browns history instead of your imagination, you would know that they did not have a six year run, they had a 5 year run prior to which, and following which, they were in the bottom of the league 1984 = 5-11 1990 = 3-13. That my delirious foe is a flash in the pan albeit a lengthy flash
And since I know you hate fact as opposed to imagination, here is my source.
OK, 5 years maybe instead of 6....though if you say that a losing season "breaks" a string of success, then we could say the Steelers of the 2000s were nothing more than a flash in the pan.
After all, they threw in a couple of 6-10 seasons in there. By your standards that would make them a flash in the pan.
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Formerly Sane said:
There is one major flaw in your logic (that's an oxymoron in reference to you) none of those cities are Cleveland.
Actually, there is another flaw, all of the examples you gave did what they did in a completely different era of football. Not to mention that those few examples are the exception, there are many, many, more examples of it not working.
Also, if you knew your Browns history instead of your imagination, you would know that they did not have a six year run, they had a 5 year run prior to which, and following which, they were in the bottom of the league 1984 = 5-11 1990 = 3-13. That my delirious foe is a flash in the pan albeit a lengthy flash
And since I know you hate fact as opposed to imagination, here is my source.
Just so you know you are an abominable piece of shit and troll. Why gipper wastes his time with you is beyond me, sir. A knowledgeable guy like that ought to know when he's arguing with a troll. There's no use talking to this guy, gip, he's trolling you.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Formerly Sane said:
STOP IT.....JUST STOP BEING A DIPSHIT!
A losing season is far different than being in the bottom five teams of the entire NFL. A great team does not go from garbage to greatness and back to garbage in a short span of time.
What's wrong? Can't take it when someone uses your own argument against you? In the 80s the Browns went to the playoffs 7 times. Yet they had a couple of losing seasons in the interim and they become a "flash in the pan" to you. The Steelers of the 2000s also made the playoffs only 7 times in the 2000s.
Maybe they weren't in the bottom 5 all those years. But, 6-10 is 6-10.
You are right. A great team does not go from garbage to great then back to garbage in a short span of time. But a great team CAN go from garbage to great in a short span of time.
In fact, nearly every great team has done EXACTLY that. (its just that they maintain "greatness")
1950s Lions...went from years of 2-10 and 1-10-1 and in two years played in 4 NFL title games.
1960s Packers: 1958 were 1-10-1, 1959 were 7-5, 1960 won first of 5 NFL titles in the 60s
1970s Dolphins: 1968 were 5-8, 1969 were 3-10-1, then in 1970 began a string of 9 double digit win years in the next 10 including 3 SB appearances and 2 SB wins.
1970s Steelers: 1968 were 2-11, 1969 were 1-13, 1970 were 5-9, 1971 were 6-8, then in 1972 bagan a string of championship quality play that last for the next 8 years.
1980s 49ers: 1978 were 2-14, 1979 were 2-14, 1980 were 6-10, then beginning in 1981 began to dominate for the next decade including 4 SB wins.
1990s Cowboys: 1988 were 3-13, 1989 were 1-15, 1990 were 7-9, then beginning in 1991 won the SB 3 of the next 4 years.
2000s Patriots; 1999 were 8-8, 2000 were 5-11. Then won the SB the next year and the rest you know.
So, the answer is EVERY great team for the last half century or more went from bad to great in essentially the course of a couple of years.
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Formerly Sane said:
There is one major flaw in your logic (that's an oxymoron in reference to you) none of those cities are Cleveland.
Actually, there is another flaw, all of the examples you gave did what they did in a completely different era of football. Not to mention that those few examples are the exception, there are many, many, more examples of it not working.
Also, if you knew your Browns history instead of your imagination, you would know that they did not have a six year run, they had a 5 year run prior to which, and following which, they were in the bottom of the league 1984 = 5-11 1990 = 3-13. That my delirious foe is a flash in the pan albeit a lengthy flash
And since I know you hate fact as opposed to imagination, here is my source.
Just so you know you are an abominable piece of shit and troll. Why gipper wastes his time with you is beyond me, sir. A knowledgeable guy like that ought to know when he's arguing with a troll. There's no use talking to this guy, gip, he's trolling you.
Just so you know you are an abominable piece of shit and troll. Why gipper wastes his time with you is beyond me, sir. A knowledgeable guy like that ought to know when he's arguing with a troll. There's no use talking to this guy, gip, he's trolling you.
Ah, well. It just gives me an opportunity to divulge some insightful data, like in the prior post. If he becomes smegma that gets washed up on the shore in the wake...well c'est la vie.
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Well said gipper, I am not going to even try to add to your logic. If this dummy doesn't get it by now he is just being obstinate.
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Bottom line, no response addressed the Browns being management pathetic since 1999 and yes Mike Holmgren was retired on the job as I stated more than a year ago, and I and Ghoolie have stated over and over that Randy Lerner was clueless.......................Now we have hope that brains will take over from complete stupidtity of the last 13 years
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The Browns just did the two best moves possilble, haviing Haslem as an owner and hope, and having LOSER Randy gone, better yet retired on the job VP mike shithead will be gone
Thus after been ffeeding feces for 17 years
yea, we can be what we once were
"The Greatest Show in Football"
I just hope thats the way its gonna go down! Been a sad sad fan for way too long.
We gotta get back to being a winner sooner or later, i fucking hope that time has arrived!!
GO BROWNS!!!
I just hope thats the way its gonna go down! Been a sad sad fan for way too long.
We gotta get back to being a winner sooner or later, i fucking hope that time has arrived!!
GO BROWNS!!!
Slimdawg, the wheels are in motion. We did the right things in the last draft getting Richardson and Weeden. Haslam, first told Holmgren to mend fences with Jim Brown, and now that he is confirmed owner has told Holmgren he is no longer needed
As far as the disgressing discussion that followed and Zombo's normal useless post, today with FA teams can indeed become competitive within a year or two
Of course the best of teams like the Steelers have a keen eye for talent and players who fit a system like Kevin Colbert running the draft as well as the Giants and build through the draft
Haslam hopefully will get that message, if he does not already get it and two more messages
The QB is the key a franchise top notch QB and Offense does indeed win Championships and that is proven over and over
Not a single person can name a dominating team for a long run that did it without a FRANCHISE QB
Dallas, SF, The Browns (Otto Graham seven Championships in 11 seasons), Bradshaw, Brady, Johnny U, Kelly, Starr, Manning, Montana, Roethlisberger, Staubach, Dawson, Tarkenton, Elway, Marino, Aikman, Favre, Warner, Brees
It is what it is and hopefully Haslam will understand the Brownie is charmed and the DAWGS of defense is stupid
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The Browns just did the two best moves possilble, haviing Haslem as an owner and hope, and having LOSER Randy gone, better yet retired on the job VP mike shithead will be gone
Thus after been ffeeding feces for 17 years
yea, we can be what we once were
"The Greatest Show in Football"
I just hope thats the way its gonna go down! Been a sad sad fan for way too long.
We gotta get back to being a winner sooner or later, i fucking hope that time has arrived!!
GO BROWNS!!!
I just hope thats the way its gonna go down! Been a sad sad fan for way too long.
We gotta get back to being a winner sooner or later, i fucking hope that time has arrived!!
GO BROWNS!!!
Slimdawg, the wheels are in motion. We did the right things in the last draft getting Richardson and Weeden. Haslam, first told Holmgren to mend fences with Jim Brown, and now that he is confirmed owner has told Holmgren he is no longer needed
As far as the disgressing discussion that followed and Zombo's normal useless post, today with FA teams can indeed become competitive within a year or two
Of course the best of teams like the Steelers have a keen eye for talent and players who fit a system like Kevin Colbert running the draft as well as the Giants and build through the draft
Haslam hopefully will get that message, if he does not already get it and two more messages
The QB is the key to a wining franchise a top notch franchise QB, further Offense does indeed win Championships and that is proven over and over
Not a single person can name a dominating team for a long run that did it without a FRANCHISE QB
Dallas, SF, The Browns (Otto Graham seven Championships in 11 seasons), Bradshaw, Brady, Johnny U, Kelly, Starr, Manning, Montana, Roethlisberger, Staubach, Dawson, Tarkenton, Elway, Marino, Aikman, Favre, Warner, Brees
It is what it is and hopefully Haslam will understand the Brownie is charmed and the DAWGS of defense is stupid
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The Browns just did the two best moves possilble, haviing Haslem as an owner and hope, and having LOSER Randy gone, better yet retired on the job VP mike shithead will be gone
Thus after been feeding feces for 17 years
yea, we can be what we once were
"The Greatest Show in Football"
yea, we can be what we once were
"The Greatest Show in Football"
due, why do you care? YOU'RE A FUCKING STEELER'S FAN!!!
Formerly Sane said:
but there simply isn't time for that since those guys are all too old to last that long.
ouch, now that hurts. guess i better slow down a bit..........not.
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Slimdawg, the wheels are in motion. We did the right things in the last draft getting Richardson and Weeden. Richie
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and.....
come on, say it....
SWARTZ at RIGHT TACKLE...... which
you never cared about the oline....but look at the results of the RT being
a legit addition .... Weeden has eh...often great pass protection....
Swartz was the missing part....
Swartz. Say it, Rich !
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