Brandon Weeden Opinion
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you know what would be nice is to have colt play a game with the weapons now. Right now his trade value is poop. Lets say he plays a game or two and lights it up. It would have to come with a weeden injury which would suck
you know what would be nice is to have colt play a game with the weapons now. Right now his trade value is poop. Lets say he plays a game or two and lights it up. It would have to come with a weeden injury which would suck
Doesn't change the fact that colt cannot throw a pass beyond 20 yards without it arching like a rainbow and wobbling like a wounded duck. Teams know what he is, doesn't matter if anyone is there to catch it or not.
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Brandon Weeden is Cleveland Browns' franchise QB: That's Trent Dilfer's take
By Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer
on October 25, 2012 at 8:28 PM, updated October 26, 2012 at 7:41 AM Email | Print
Brandon Weeden, above, deserves at least two years to establish himself as the Browns' quarterback, says ESPN analyst and former NFL quarterback Trent Dilfer.
A.J. Mast, Associated Press
CLEVELAND, Ohio — Former Browns quarterback Trent Dilfer, now an analyst for ESPN, is confident that new Browns owner Jimmy Haslam and CEO Joe Banner have their franchise quarterback in rookie Brandon Weeden.
"From a talent, leadership, and intangibles standpoint, yes, they have the guy that deserves at least two years under their full leadership to build around," said Dilfer, who worked with Weeden at an ESPN Elite 11 quarterback camp two summers ago and has studied all of his games this year. "Given the right situation, Brandon Weeden could put the Browns back on the map."
Dilfer believes Weeden is better than the quarterback prospects coming out this year, including West Virginia's Geno Smith and USC's Matt Barkley.
"They're not going to be able to draft a guy who's more talented, because this year's draft has nobody close to as talented as Brandon," he said. "Right now, all the talk is all about Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III and Ryan Tannehill, but I have no doubt Brandon is as talented as that group and should be in that conversation if he gets the same support."
Dilfer watched the film of Weeden vs. Luck in Indianapolis last week, a 17-13 Browns loss after the big Josh Gordon drop, and thinks Weeden stacks right up with the No. 1 overall pick as a passer.
Cleveland Browns' Brandon Weeden on pocket presence and the speed of the game
Brandon Weeden has been criticized in the past on his presence in the pocket. Browns head coach Pat Shurmur sees him getting better. Weeden said "It's all about guts, standing there and making a throw. The next day it hurts, but who cares. It feels good when you complete a ball."
"From a passing standpoint, Brandon is as pure as they come," said Dilfer, who has a Pro Bowl and Super Bowl ring to his credit. "He's found his stroke, his passing comfort zone. There's more than just being pure, but that's one of the bigger components. He can challenge the field with his arm as well as anybody."
Dilfer stressed that Weeden doesn't have the same supporting cast as RG3. In fact, the Browns lead the NFL with 25 dropped passes, according to profootballfocus.com
"I think they're the worst receivers I've seen in a long time -- to this point," said Dilfer. "It doesn't mean they can't improve. It doesn't mean they don't have talent. But from a production and a performance standpoint, they're killing him. And it's not just dropping balls. It's not releasing the right way, not seeing the coverage the right way, not hitting their depth properly. As a quarterback you start to get gunshy because you can't trust your guys."
Dilfer attributed some of Weeden's 10 interceptions -- tied for most in the league with Cincinnati's Andy Dalton -- to the young receivers adjusting to the game.
"A high volume of interceptions typically comes when the receivers aren't trustworthy," said Dilfer. "You can throw the ball to good receivers before they're open and trust that they're going to be where they're supposed to be, or body up and protect you on a bad play."
Dilfer's been impressed with Weeden's ability to stand in the pocket, deliver the ball and absorb a hit.
"Amazing," he said. "Two summers ago when we worked with him at the Elite 11, he was awful in the pocket. His footwork was terrible. He was a typical spread guy that didn't understand pocket mechanics and he worked really hard on it that summer. He took it back to Oklahoma State last season and made significant improvement. He's made great strides in the pros and he'll continue to improve."
Dilfer said one of Weeden's No. 1 attributes is his ability to self-correct.
"Spending a week with him at the Elite 11, training him and getting in his mind a little bit, he kind of taught himself at Oklahoma State," he said. "But once my coaching staff and I got my hands on him, we showed him how to correct himself from a technical standpoint. We gave him the tools to say "OK, when something goes bad, this is what you need to look for." It was amazing. Of the 14 college kids we've worked with the last two years that have been drafted, he was the best at self-correction."
Dilfer said he's seen this play out on the field this season.
"That first game, either his mind was going too fast or he was trying too hard," said Dilfer. "He just wasn't himself. The second game, he comes out and corrects the throws from the first week. The third week he threw a couple of picks and the fourth week he gets the same looks and doesn't force the ball. The fifth week he hit all of the checkdowns. He continues to self-evaluate."
Dilfer said Weeden has also started to put more air under deep balls and is completing them.
"The first two weeks, they were too flat," Dilfer said. "There's so many little nuances I've seen him correct."
Browns coach Pat Shurmur agreed that he's excited about Weeden's potential.
"I see our quarterback improving each week and much like Josh Gordon, I can't wait to see how far he can take this thing as we move through the back half of our season," said Shurmur. "Now, I would say this, quarterbacks will eventually be evaluated by wins. I've got this little checklist of things I want to see him do better and that also includes getting us wins."
Shurmur cautioned that a sensational arm isn't everything.
"We knew he had a good arm and that's about fourth or fifth though on the must-have have characteristics for a quarterback," he said. "You've got to be a good decision-maker, you've got to be accurate, you've got to understand timing, you've got to be a good leader and then the bonus baby in all of that is if you've got an outstanding very strong arm where you can make all the throws, then that's good."
Dilfer's only issue with Weeden, 29, is his age.
"I've told him, 'your leash is shorter, so you need to have more immediate success than the next guy,'" said Dilfer. "Within the first 30-35 starts, he's going to have to show more production than the next guy drafted at his position. It's easier to move on from a 31-year-old than it is a 24-year-old."
Dilfer also stands by his longheld belief that backup Colt McCoy can be a winning NFL quarterback.
"I came out when he was drafted, and said he should've been a late first-round pick," said Dilfer. "I've been ridiculed by my colleagues who say it's because we have the same agent or because he's a Christian, but I stick to my guns. Colt McCoy has enough talent -- he's not overly talented -- but he's got enough talent and he's got an excess amount of the other stuff, the intangible qualities.
"He's got a very sharp mind, and he's a very good decision-maker. If he's given another opportunity, especially if he's got a good supporting cast, a completion-based offense, a sideline-to-sideline offense where he has a lot of space to work with, I think Colt Mccoy's definitely a starter in this league and a winning starter."
Dilfer acknowledged that McCoy won't wow anyone with his arm strength, "but what he does wow you with is all the other things he brings to the table: his ability to make quick decisions, his leadership, his football I.Q, his ability to create space for himself in the pocket. I hate it when people say he can't throw the deep ball. Yes, he can throw the deep ball. He just doesn't throw it as well as the best guys throw it. They say he can't throw the out route. Yes, he can throw the out route well enough. But 70 per cnet of offense in the NFL is between the numbers and I think he can be very good in that element."
Dilfer said he knows at about five to seven top NFL personnel men who like McCoy.
"He's not a laughingstock," said Dilfer. "They think that given the right offense, Colt can be a good to very good NFL starter."
So at least in Dilfer's opinion, Haslam and Banner should be set at quarterback for awhile.
Brandon Weeden is Cleveland Browns' franchise QB: That's Trent Dilfer's take
By Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer
on October 25, 2012 at 8:28 PM, updated October 26, 2012 at 7:41 AM Email | Print
Brandon Weeden, above, deserves at least two years to establish himself as the Browns' quarterback, says ESPN analyst and former NFL quarterback Trent Dilfer.
A.J. Mast, Associated Press
CLEVELAND, Ohio — Former Browns quarterback Trent Dilfer, now an analyst for ESPN, is confident that new Browns owner Jimmy Haslam and CEO Joe Banner have their franchise quarterback in rookie Brandon Weeden.
"From a talent, leadership, and intangibles standpoint, yes, they have the guy that deserves at least two years under their full leadership to build around," said Dilfer, who worked with Weeden at an ESPN Elite 11 quarterback camp two summers ago and has studied all of his games this year. "Given the right situation, Brandon Weeden could put the Browns back on the map."
Dilfer believes Weeden is better than the quarterback prospects coming out this year, including West Virginia's Geno Smith and USC's Matt Barkley.
"They're not going to be able to draft a guy who's more talented, because this year's draft has nobody close to as talented as Brandon," he said. "Right now, all the talk is all about Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III and Ryan Tannehill, but I have no doubt Brandon is as talented as that group and should be in that conversation if he gets the same support."
Dilfer watched the film of Weeden vs. Luck in Indianapolis last week, a 17-13 Browns loss after the big Josh Gordon drop, and thinks Weeden stacks right up with the No. 1 overall pick as a passer.
Cleveland Browns' Brandon Weeden on pocket presence and the speed of the game
Brandon Weeden has been criticized in the past on his presence in the pocket. Browns head coach Pat Shurmur sees him getting better. Weeden said "It's all about guts, standing there and making a throw. The next day it hurts, but who cares. It feels good when you complete a ball."
"From a passing standpoint, Brandon is as pure as they come," said Dilfer, who has a Pro Bowl and Super Bowl ring to his credit. "He's found his stroke, his passing comfort zone. There's more than just being pure, but that's one of the bigger components. He can challenge the field with his arm as well as anybody."
Dilfer stressed that Weeden doesn't have the same supporting cast as RG3. In fact, the Browns lead the NFL with 25 dropped passes, according to profootballfocus.com
"I think they're the worst receivers I've seen in a long time -- to this point," said Dilfer. "It doesn't mean they can't improve. It doesn't mean they don't have talent. But from a production and a performance standpoint, they're killing him. And it's not just dropping balls. It's not releasing the right way, not seeing the coverage the right way, not hitting their depth properly. As a quarterback you start to get gunshy because you can't trust your guys."
Dilfer attributed some of Weeden's 10 interceptions -- tied for most in the league with Cincinnati's Andy Dalton -- to the young receivers adjusting to the game.
"A high volume of interceptions typically comes when the receivers aren't trustworthy," said Dilfer. "You can throw the ball to good receivers before they're open and trust that they're going to be where they're supposed to be, or body up and protect you on a bad play."
Dilfer's been impressed with Weeden's ability to stand in the pocket, deliver the ball and absorb a hit.
"Amazing," he said. "Two summers ago when we worked with him at the Elite 11, he was awful in the pocket. His footwork was terrible. He was a typical spread guy that didn't understand pocket mechanics and he worked really hard on it that summer. He took it back to Oklahoma State last season and made significant improvement. He's made great strides in the pros and he'll continue to improve."
Dilfer said one of Weeden's No. 1 attributes is his ability to self-correct.
"Spending a week with him at the Elite 11, training him and getting in his mind a little bit, he kind of taught himself at Oklahoma State," he said. "But once my coaching staff and I got my hands on him, we showed him how to correct himself from a technical standpoint. We gave him the tools to say "OK, when something goes bad, this is what you need to look for." It was amazing. Of the 14 college kids we've worked with the last two years that have been drafted, he was the best at self-correction."
Dilfer said he's seen this play out on the field this season.
"That first game, either his mind was going too fast or he was trying too hard," said Dilfer. "He just wasn't himself. The second game, he comes out and corrects the throws from the first week. The third week he threw a couple of picks and the fourth week he gets the same looks and doesn't force the ball. The fifth week he hit all of the checkdowns. He continues to self-evaluate."
Dilfer said Weeden has also started to put more air under deep balls and is completing them.
"The first two weeks, they were too flat," Dilfer said. "There's so many little nuances I've seen him correct."
Browns coach Pat Shurmur agreed that he's excited about Weeden's potential.
"I see our quarterback improving each week and much like Josh Gordon, I can't wait to see how far he can take this thing as we move through the back half of our season," said Shurmur. "Now, I would say this, quarterbacks will eventually be evaluated by wins. I've got this little checklist of things I want to see him do better and that also includes getting us wins."
Shurmur cautioned that a sensational arm isn't everything.
"We knew he had a good arm and that's about fourth or fifth though on the must-have have characteristics for a quarterback," he said. "You've got to be a good decision-maker, you've got to be accurate, you've got to understand timing, you've got to be a good leader and then the bonus baby in all of that is if you've got an outstanding very strong arm where you can make all the throws, then that's good."
Dilfer's only issue with Weeden, 29, is his age.
"I've told him, 'your leash is shorter, so you need to have more immediate success than the next guy,'" said Dilfer. "Within the first 30-35 starts, he's going to have to show more production than the next guy drafted at his position. It's easier to move on from a 31-year-old than it is a 24-year-old."
Dilfer also stands by his longheld belief that backup Colt McCoy can be a winning NFL quarterback.
"I came out when he was drafted, and said he should've been a late first-round pick," said Dilfer. "I've been ridiculed by my colleagues who say it's because we have the same agent or because he's a Christian, but I stick to my guns. Colt McCoy has enough talent -- he's not overly talented -- but he's got enough talent and he's got an excess amount of the other stuff, the intangible qualities.
"He's got a very sharp mind, and he's a very good decision-maker. If he's given another opportunity, especially if he's got a good supporting cast, a completion-based offense, a sideline-to-sideline offense where he has a lot of space to work with, I think Colt Mccoy's definitely a starter in this league and a winning starter."
Dilfer acknowledged that McCoy won't wow anyone with his arm strength, "but what he does wow you with is all the other things he brings to the table: his ability to make quick decisions, his leadership, his football I.Q, his ability to create space for himself in the pocket. I hate it when people say he can't throw the deep ball. Yes, he can throw the deep ball. He just doesn't throw it as well as the best guys throw it. They say he can't throw the out route. Yes, he can throw the out route well enough. But 70 per cnet of offense in the NFL is between the numbers and I think he can be very good in that element."
Dilfer said he knows at about five to seven top NFL personnel men who like McCoy.
"He's not a laughingstock," said Dilfer. "They think that given the right offense, Colt can be a good to very good NFL starter."
So at least in Dilfer's opinion, Haslam and Banner should be set at quarterback for awhile.
Weeds is a terrific talent and I wanted to punch those in the face that were talking Geno Smith or Matt Barkley a couple weeks ago.
His pocket presence gets better and better. Only one interception, and it was tipped by his own player, in the past two weeks, and he has only taken two sacks in the last three games. He HAS that Marino/Manning quick release that you have to have if you are not particularily mobile.
Here is my weekly "take away the time he shit pants in his first NFL game" update. Stats last six weeks:
142 - 237 59.9% 1,665 yds. 7.03 y/a 9 TD 6 INT 9 Sacks 83.4 Rating
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positive or negative who really gives a sh*t what Trent Dilfer has to say
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positive or negative who really gives a sh*t what Trent Dilfer has to say
positive or negative who really gives a sh*t what Trent Dilfer has to say
nice.
I hate Dilfer too, but he does know football.
He shouldn't pump up Weeden as much as he has, Weeden has made a lot of mistakes to get to where he is right now. His team hasn't put him in this situation he was a main contributor.
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you know what would be nice is to have colt play a game with the weapons now. Right now his trade value is poop. Lets say he plays a game or two and lights it up. It would have to come with a weeden injury which would suck
Doesn't change the fact that colt cannot throw a pass beyond 20 yards without it arching like a rainbow and wobbling like a wounded duck. Teams know what he is, doesn't matter if anyone is there to catch it or not.
30 passing plays of 20yrds or more in 2011Doesn't change the fact that colt cannot throw a pass beyond 20 yards without it arching like a rainbow and wobbling like a wounded duck. Teams know what he is, doesn't matter if anyone is there to catch it or not.
seven games into 2012 the team already has 27.
I like colt right where he is. I fully trust him to come in and not lose us any games if he has to. Besides he may still have quality years left when weeds is done.
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all these talking heads only mean something when they agree with your standpoint. i guarantee you the same guys here slurpping dilfer's cock now, hated him in the past for comments he made against their position.
yeah, the receivers are killing weeds. that's with little with another year under his belt and gordon as an up and comer.
wonder how he felt last year about mccoy when he squadoosh. not even a running game. and don't give me that bullshit that he can't throw 20 yards. don't be hating on someone cuz you throw like a girl.
what i've seen of weeds i like and he can be the guy BUT don't talk shit about a guy who didn't get a fair shake. holmgren has screwed more people over since being in cleveland than linda lovelace sucked cock in the first 5 mins of deepthroat.
fat fuck.
btw: the only reason i looked at this post is because i thought it read 'brandon weeden opium'. might want to fix that sparky.
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I don't get the hate for Colt.. One thing you guys seem to forget he is much better looking than Weeden. You would have to be completely gay not to realize this
I don't get the hate for Colt.. One thing you guys seem to forget he is much better looking than Weeden. You would have to be completely gay not to realize this
i guess i'm gay for responding to this but yes, brandon weeden looks like a mix between howdy doody and buddy lee.
but put it this way, i don't think the ladies were knocking down the door to get to larry bird.
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all these talking heads only mean something when they agree with your standpoint. i guarantee you the same guys here slurpping dilfer's cock now, hated him in the past for comments he made against their position.
yeah, the receivers are killing weeds. that's with little with another year under his belt and gordon as an up and comer.
wonder how he felt last year about mccoy when he squadoosh. not even a running game. and don't give me that bullshit that he can't throw 20 yards. don't be hating on someone cuz you throw like a girl.
what i've seen of weeds i like and he can be the guy BUT don't talk shit about a guy who didn't get a fair shake. holmgren has screwed more people over since being in cleveland than linda lovelace sucked cock in the first 5 mins of deepthroat.
fat fuck.
btw: the only reason i looked at this post is because i thought it read 'brandon weeden opium'. might want to fix that sparky.
holmgren has screwed more people over since being in cleveland than linda lovelace sucked cock in the first 5 mins of deepthroat.
She didn't suck any cock in the first five minutes.
&feature=related" rel="external nofollow">>Thanks, I'll never get those five minutes back.
Zombo
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Orange85 said:
I continue to be amazed at the people that continue to bring Colt up or question Weeden. It is night and day between those two QBs. Weeden has NFL talent; Colt doesn't. Why do you think nobody else was interested enough in Colt to come calling when Weeden was named the starter. A painful as it is for us to admit as Browns fans, if you put Weeden on a good team with good receivers and a defense, he would be a superstar! Personally, I think he is better than any of the other rookie QBs. His only downside is the fact that he is 29 and will have a shorter career than most of those guys. But I would not trade him for any of them.
Because teams don't trade that much in the NFL, why would they trade for a backup?
Colt will land a roster spot as a QB2, and as much as you mouthbreathers want to act like Colt is the worst QB in the NFL, he is actually average.
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man you can't actually believe what 1/2 these mfers on here have to say. i mean i was sitting at my desk in the browns forum tavern with live chat on while watching these drafts on tv.
"oh i love this move! oh what a great pick! half the mccoy haters were already buying his jersey the next day. i screamed how he wasn't nfl caliber in size and stability, citing his injury in the champ game. a lot of these blowhards spouted his record and leadership ability. then when they realize he looked terrible (why...maybe no talent) they are calling him noodle arm. the kid played his heart out with no one around him. and did pretty good if you ask me in his rookie year going into pitt and balt and playing his ass off. yeah his record didn't show it BUT neither will weeden's.
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Orange85 said:
I continue to be amazed at the people that continue to bring Colt up or question Weeden. It is night and day between those two QBs. Weeden has NFL talent; Colt doesn't. Why do you think nobody else was interested enough in Colt to come calling when Weeden was named the starter. A painful as it is for us to admit as Browns fans, if you put Weeden on a good team with good receivers and a defense, he would be a superstar! Personally, I think he is better than any of the other rookie QBs. His only downside is the fact that he is 29 and will have a shorter career than most of those guys. But I would not trade him for any of them.
Because teams don't trade that much in the NFL, why would they trade for a backup?
Colt will land a roster spot as a QB2, and as much as you mouthbreathers want to act like Colt is the worst QB in the NFL, he is actually average.
and as much as you mouthbreathers want to act like Colt is the worst QB in the NFL, he is actually average.
No one denies he's average.
He's also a good guy and he's young ... I feel good with him as the backup, I hope we keep him.
Zombo
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Orange85 said:
I continue to be amazed at the people that continue to bring Colt up or question Weeden. It is night and day between those two QBs. Weeden has NFL talent; Colt doesn't. Why do you think nobody else was interested enough in Colt to come calling when Weeden was named the starter. A painful as it is for us to admit as Browns fans, if you put Weeden on a good team with good receivers and a defense, he would be a superstar! Personally, I think he is better than any of the other rookie QBs. His only downside is the fact that he is 29 and will have a shorter career than most of those guys. But I would not trade him for any of them.
Because teams don't trade that much in the NFL, why would they trade for a backup?
Colt will land a roster spot as a QB2, and as much as you mouthbreathers want to act like Colt is the worst QB in the NFL, he is actually average.
Because teams don't trade that much in the NFL, why would they trade for a backup?
Colt will land a roster spot as a QB2, and as much as you mouthbreathers want to act like Colt is the worst QB in the NFL, he is actually average.
He's in the perfect role for himself. He's the backup QB. Getting paid pretty well to not have to play but to be ready to play and keep his mouth shut and not bitch about playing time. He's probably going to be in the NFL for 15 years as a great backup QB.
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I also think we should give Weeds a couple of years without additional pressure (and with a few good receivers to work with) to see how he develops.
I like what I saw from him thus far.
I only wished Shurmur had taken him out in the second half of the Eagles game to spare him the humiliating passing rate he ended up with and the pathetic interception he got in the last drive. Not to mention the extra W we'd have...
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Weeden is growing and learning. The biggest challenge will be his 2nd season and how the defenses pick up on his tendencies.
Colt McCoy is a great back up and is still better than some starting NFL qbs. if surrounded with the right talent he can be good.
Weeden has more upside in every thing but looks
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McCoy is a decent backup. Weeden looks like he can be a decent starter. Come on people! We're browns fans!!! What more can we ask for at the QB position! We have not had this since are franchise has been back. Couch Anderson Quinn and all the sack draggers be damned. God I hope we don't have to draft a quarterback for a long time
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Weeden is the man. Colt is a backup and has a Browns-favorable contract for the next couple of years. This is a great situation for the franchise.
We can take our first-round pick next year and trade down if it's one of the first 2 picks, or if it's #3 or later grab one of the defensive studs. A first-round QB or WR is a seriously stupid move for Cleveland right now -- we need a talent upgrade at DE and both OLB in a major way. Sheard and both of our OLB's are marginal starters at best -- if we were playoff contenders they would all be on the bench.
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