Owen Marecic Inactive
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Marecic is a complete bust but then again so is the injury prone momass, you have to wonder how much more time this coach will waste on players that dont produce while leaving more productive players sidelined..
Marecic is a complete bust but then again so is the injury prone momass, you have to wonder how much more time this coach will waste on players that dont produce while leaving more productive players sidelined..
Marecik was a complete bust, but he was a 5th rounder, high for a fullback, but not a franchise-setting-back pick. The drafts that sent this team spiralling into the Dark Ages of which we are just trying to crawl out of now wre 2008 and 2009.
2008, Savages last year:
2008 1 4 5 104 Beau Bell LB Nevada-Las Vegas
2 4 12 111 Martin Rucker TE Missouri
3 6 24 190 Ahtyba Rubin DT Iowa State
4 6 25 191 Paul Hubbard WR Wisconsin
5 7 24 231 Alex Hall DE St. Augustine's
The reason we didn't have a pick higher than the 4th round was because Savage went "All In" on Brady Quinn and Eric Wright before ... two guys that haven't played here in years.
2009, The Mangini Year:
2009 1 1 21 21 Alex Mack C California
2 2 4 36 Brian Robiskie WR Ohio State
3 2 18 50 Mohammed Massoquoi WR Georgia
4 2 20 52 David Veikune DE Hawaii
5 4 4 104 Kaluka Maiava LB USC
6 6 4 177 Don Carey DB Norfolk State
7 6 18 191 Coye Francies DB San Jose State
8 6 22 195 James Davis RB Clemson
For those that miss Mangini as a coach, he sure wasn't much of a talent evaluator. The year that he and that little troll from Baltimore (name escapes me)held the draft we threw two second round picks completely out the door (Robiskie, Veikune) and threw a third one at MoMass (who I actually like more than most, he seems to have chemistry w Weeden ... when he's healthy).
I don't know if MoMass will start now, I suppose he'll be the third guy, so that is two starters in two years. If you draft one starter every year ... well, you'll be in last place.
Heckert's's drafts haven't been world-beaters, but at least we are stockpiling decent players, even with a few marecic's. I think he really did his homework this year because both Winn and Hughes performed very well holding down the middle as rookies while the starters were out (and i guess Rubin is still out.)
2012 1 1 3 3 Trent Richardson RB Alabama
2 1 22 22 Brandon Weeden QB Oklahoma State
3 2 5 37 Mitchell Schwartz T California
4 3 24 87 John Hughes DT Cincinnati
5 4 5 100 Travis Benjamin WR Miami (FL)
6 4 25 120 James-Michael Johnson LB Nevada
7 5 25 160 Ryan Miller G Colorado
8 6 34 204 Emmanuel Acho LB Texas
9 6 35 205 Billy Winn DT Boise State
10 7 38 245 Trevin Wade DB Arizona
11 7 40 247 Brad Smelley TE Alabama
2011 1 1 21 21 Phil Taylor DT Baylor
2 2 5 37 Jabaal Sheard DE Pittsburgh
3 2 27 59 Greg Little WR North Carolina
4 4 5 102 Jordan Cameron TE USC
5 4 27 124 Owen Marecic RB Stanford
6 5 6 137 Buster Skrine DB Tennessee-Chattanooga
7 5 19 150 Jason Pinkston T Pittsburgh
8 7 45 248 Eric Hagg DB Nebraska
2010 1 1 7 7 Joe Haden DB Florida
2 2 6 38 T.J. Ward DB Oregon
3 2 27 59 Montario Hardesty RB Tennessee
4 3 21 85 Colt McCoy QB Texas
5 3 28 92 Shawn Lauvao G Arizona State
6 5 29 160 Larry Asante DB Nebraska
7 6 8 177 Carlton Mitchell WR South Florida
8 6 17 186 Clifton Geathers DE South Carolina
*Starters in Bold
**Skrine, Hughes, Winn and Cameron are not starters (Winn starts, but because of injury)however they are major contributors.
Zombo
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Wondering if Marecic will be scratched again this week.
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Marecic is a complete bust but then again so is the injury prone momass, you have to wonder how much more time this coach will waste on players that dont produce while leaving more productive players sidelined..
Marecik was a complete bust, but he was a 5th rounder, high for a fullback, but not a franchise-setting-back pick. The drafts that sent this team spiralling into the Dark Ages of which we are just trying to crawl out of now wre 2008 and 2009.
2008, Savages last year:
2008 1 4 5 104 Beau Bell LB Nevada-Las Vegas
2 4 12 111 Martin Rucker TE Missouri
3 6 24 190 Ahtyba Rubin DT Iowa State
4 6 25 191 Paul Hubbard WR Wisconsin
5 7 24 231 Alex Hall DE St. Augustine's
The reason we didn't have a pick higher than the 4th round was because Savage went "All In" on Brady Quinn and Eric Wright before ... two guys that haven't played here in years.
2009, The Mangini Year:
2009 1 1 21 21 Alex Mack C California
2 2 4 36 Brian Robiskie WR Ohio State
3 2 18 50 Mohammed Massoquoi WR Georgia
4 2 20 52 David Veikune DE Hawaii
5 4 4 104 Kaluka Maiava LB USC
6 6 4 177 Don Carey DB Norfolk State
7 6 18 191 Coye Francies DB San Jose State
8 6 22 195 James Davis RB Clemson
For those that miss Mangini as a coach, he sure wasn't much of a talent evaluator. The year that he and that little troll from Baltimore (name escapes me)held the draft we threw two second round picks completely out the door (Robiskie, Veikune) and threw a third one at MoMass (who I actually like more than most, he seems to have chemistry w Weeden ... when he's healthy).
I don't know if MoMass will start now, I suppose he'll be the third guy, so that is two starters in two years. If you draft one starter every year ... well, you'll be in last place.
Heckert's's drafts haven't been world-beaters, but at least we are stockpiling decent players, even with a few marecic's. I think he really did his homework this year because both Winn and Hughes performed very well holding down the middle as rookies while the starters were out (and i guess Rubin is still out.)
2012 1 1 3 3 Trent Richardson RB Alabama
2 1 22 22 Brandon Weeden QB Oklahoma State
3 2 5 37 Mitchell Schwartz T California
4 3 24 87 John Hughes DT Cincinnati
5 4 5 100 Travis Benjamin WR Miami (FL)
6 4 25 120 James-Michael Johnson LB Nevada
7 5 25 160 Ryan Miller G Colorado
8 6 34 204 Emmanuel Acho LB Texas
9 6 35 205 Billy Winn DT Boise State
10 7 38 245 Trevin Wade DB Arizona
11 7 40 247 Brad Smelley TE Alabama
2011 1 1 21 21 Phil Taylor DT Baylor
2 2 5 37 Jabaal Sheard DE Pittsburgh
3 2 27 59 Greg Little WR North Carolina
4 4 5 102 Jordan Cameron TE USC
5 4 27 124 Owen Marecic RB Stanford
6 5 6 137 Buster Skrine DB Tennessee-Chattanooga
7 5 19 150 Jason Pinkston T Pittsburgh
8 7 45 248 Eric Hagg DB Nebraska
2010 1 1 7 7 Joe Haden DB Florida
2 2 6 38 T.J. Ward DB Oregon
3 2 27 59 Montario Hardesty RB Tennessee
4 3 21 85 Colt McCoy QB Texas
5 3 28 92 Shawn Lauvao G Arizona State
6 5 29 160 Larry Asante DB Nebraska
7 6 8 177 Carlton Mitchell WR South Florida
8 6 17 186 Clifton Geathers DE South Carolina
*Starters in Bold
**Skrine, Hughes, Winn and Cameron are not starters (Winn starts, but because of injury)however they are major contributors.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Savage's drafts haven't been world-beaters, but at least we are stockpiling decent players, even with a few marecic's. I think he really did his homework this year because both Winn and Hughes performed very well holding down the middle as rookies while the starters were out (and i guess Rubin is still out.)
2012 1 1 3 3 Trent Richardson RB Alabama
2 1 22 22 Brandon Weeden QB Oklahoma State
3 2 5 37 Mitchell Schwartz T California
4 3 24 87 John Hughes DT Cincinnati
5 4 5 100 Travis Benjamin WR Miami (FL)
6 4 25 120 James-Michael Johnson LB Nevada
7 5 25 160 Ryan Miller G Colorado
8 6 34 204 Emmanuel Acho LB Texas
9 6 35 205 Billy Winn DT Boise State
10 7 38 245 Trevin Wade DB Arizona
11 7 40 247 Brad Smelley TE Alabama
2011 1 1 21 21 Phil Taylor DT Baylor
2 2 5 37 Jabaal Sheard DE Pittsburgh
3 2 27 59 Greg Little WR North Carolina
4 4 5 102 Jordan Cameron TE USC
5 4 27 124 Owen Marecic RB Stanford
6 5 6 137 Buster Skrine DB Tennessee-Chattanooga
7 5 19 150 Jason Pinkston T Pittsburgh
8 7 45 248 Eric Hagg DB Nebraska
2010 1 1 7 7 Joe Haden DB Florida
2 2 6 38 T.J. Ward DB Oregon
3 2 27 59 Montario Hardesty RB Tennessee
4 3 21 85 Colt McCoy QB Texas
5 3 28 92 Shawn Lauvao G Arizona State
6 5 29 160 Larry Asante DB Nebraska
7 6 8 177 Carlton Mitchell WR South Florida
8 6 17 186 Clifton Geathers DE South Carolina
*Starters in Bold
**Skrine, Hughes, Winn and Cameron are not starters (Winn starts, but because of injury)however they are major contributors.
Zombo
you mean heckert. yeah i liked mangini. wasn't he there for the 2010 draft?
i know you only highlighted the starters but i think cameron should be starting @TE. don't get it. maybe he's not that good at blocking?
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Billy Winn should be in bold for sure. Considering the amount of rotation they'll have, he probably will play as many snaps as Taylor when/if everyone is healthy.
Billy Winn should be in bold for sure. Considering the amount of rotation they'll have, he probably will play as many snaps as Taylor when/if everyone is healthy.
I am absolutely impressed with big bad Billy Winn, IMO he was the steal of the draft for the Browns this year. The best part about it is he's only gonna get better! We are gonna have one hell of a D line rotation especially if we are able to get a stud D.E. in next years draft or possibly via free agency.
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Zombo said:
Savage's drafts haven't been world-beaters, but at least we are stockpiling decent players, even with a few marecic's. I think he really did his homework this year because both Winn and Hughes performed very well holding down the middle as rookies while the starters were out (and i guess Rubin is still out.)
2012 1 1 3 3 Trent Richardson RB Alabama
2 1 22 22 Brandon Weeden QB Oklahoma State
3 2 5 37 Mitchell Schwartz T California
4 3 24 87 John Hughes DT Cincinnati
5 4 5 100 Travis Benjamin WR Miami (FL)
6 4 25 120 James-Michael Johnson LB Nevada
7 5 25 160 Ryan Miller G Colorado
8 6 34 204 Emmanuel Acho LB Texas
9 6 35 205 Billy Winn DT Boise State
10 7 38 245 Trevin Wade DB Arizona
11 7 40 247 Brad Smelley TE Alabama
2011 1 1 21 21 Phil Taylor DT Baylor
2 2 5 37 Jabaal Sheard DE Pittsburgh
3 2 27 59 Greg Little WR North Carolina
4 4 5 102 Jordan Cameron TE USC
5 4 27 124 Owen Marecic RB Stanford
6 5 6 137 Buster Skrine DB Tennessee-Chattanooga
7 5 19 150 Jason Pinkston T Pittsburgh
8 7 45 248 Eric Hagg DB Nebraska
2010 1 1 7 7 Joe Haden DB Florida
2 2 6 38 T.J. Ward DB Oregon
3 2 27 59 Montario Hardesty RB Tennessee
4 3 21 85 Colt McCoy QB Texas
5 3 28 92 Shawn Lauvao G Arizona State
6 5 29 160 Larry Asante DB Nebraska
7 6 8 177 Carlton Mitchell WR South Florida
8 6 17 186 Clifton Geathers DE South Carolina
*Starters in Bold
**Skrine, Hughes, Winn and Cameron are not starters (Winn starts, but because of injury)however they are major contributors.
Zombo
you mean heckert. yeah i liked mangini. wasn't he there for the 2010 draft?
i know you only highlighted the starters but i think cameron should be starting @TE. don't get it. maybe he's not that good at blocking?
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you wonder why if Owned Marecic was a good FB why wouldn't his own college coach draft him when FB was a huge need for the 49ers. he passed him to take an unproven middle linebacker named bruce miller who went undrafted and signed with the niners and has become a damn good FB. Johhny didnt want him and we reached for him! I think Heckert has had some good draft but hes reached a lot and that may be his demise come seasons end.
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Zombo said:
Yes, I meant Heckert. I fixed it. And deleted the rest of your post ... c'mon, man.
Zombo
yo we gotta meet one day and when we do everybody gotta watch out cuz i don't think there's enough booze in cleveland to hold us down.
funny, clever and intelligent as always.
hats off sir!
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Pisses me off to think we could've kept Vickers instead and had him lead blocking for Richardson. Vickers had a lot to do with Peyton Hillis' one solid year. It's fun to think about what Richardson could do with that extra blocker.
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Pisses me off to think we could've kept Vickers instead and had him lead blocking for Richardson. Vickers had a lot to do with Peyton Hillis' one solid year. It's fun to think about what Richardson could do with that extra blocker.
Pisses me off to think we could've kept Vickers instead and had him lead blocking for Richardson. Vickers had a lot to do with Peyton Hillis' one solid year. It's fun to think about what Richardson could do with that extra blocker.
I agree completely.
A great FB is key when you want to have a dynamic rushing attack. If we're gonna throw 50 times a game, it would be nice to have an extra blocker or a guy who can actually fucking catch out of the backfield.
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