DA on his way out
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It's not a impact position unless you can't run the ball..
That said, don't worry, we aren't selecting him unless he falls to 5....and even then we probably won't.
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Hi,
New to the board here and I am very very excited as a buddy of mine who lives in Detroit told me that we are looking at trading D.Anderson our 37 and the number 5 pick to move up to number 1 and draft A.Smith from Alabama. To make a long cell phone call short the Browns have Smith as the number one rated player on the board and feel that if they can't move up to get him they are going to move back as they don't need a QB, WR, and aren't that high on Orakpo or A.Curry.
What do you guys think? I was pretty stoked about this rumor.
the Browns have Smith as the number one rated player on the board
Is he as first as Pioli was? Not for nothing but I don't know where Kokkinos and Mangini would have Smith rated. I will say Alabama was a completely different team in his absence, or better put, in his presence. He dominated people the way Orlando Pace did. If you can get footage of their matchup with Georgia - they just lined up and ran behind the young man all game long as GA helplessly watched the scoreboard change into a landslide loss.
I've joked around a few times that the 1 team that would probably be interested in DA as their solution would be Detroit. I'd rank him as a #32 starter but solid backup right now, which is subject to change for better or worse. That's more upside than Kitna at this point and I see why you'd like experience if you don't have Baltimore's D giving your QB the margin of error ANY QB dreams of (ie: Trent Dufus won a SB completing 30% of his passes with the margin of error I speak of). DA has an agent though so you know he'll overglom the part of 2007 from DA worth remembering.
The Cleveland Browns are going offseason grocery shopping with alot of holes in the lineup so I hope to God we have the RIGHT personnel people prioritizing. Therefore, we're gonna get widespread wood with the slightest of wind currents.
Zombo brought up a good point - we don't even have a GM so I'm not sure how valid this is. What's Mike Keenan's role at this point as we await a GM? The MAIN reason I was excited about Pioli is that he's an awesome wheeler and dealer. How else does a SB Champion have 3 first round picks (and 8 in the first 3 rounds) in the very next draft? If Randy does something BEFORE he can sign Kokkinos will he sour him too? This is every bit as important as the Head Coach thing.
Ragarding Ball's point about impact: It didn't look like we could run the ball up to snuff in 2008 because I think we have completely overrated the right side of our oline. We overpaid the bejesus out of Shaffer who's now getting beat frequently by right side guys like Mathis. When we can only run 1 way we're very easy to matchup with so I disagree about impact of the RIGHT OT. I'd rather see Shaffer competing with Tucker to see who starts at RG against the wider bodied DTs. We've got more holes to fill than a golf course so it's not gonna happen overnight. Rumors of cap jam are why I would say such a thing. Don't worry too much about that because Tenn had cap jam when I moved here in 06 and they fired their GM, restored their cap health and brought in solutions to team speed on offense like the Chris Johnson 4.29 forty speed the Ratbirds were saying uh-oh to in the first half yesterday. IMO, losing him to a mysterious ankle sprain made Tennessee much easier to stop. An overweight Lendale White looked as threatening as Jamal looked for us this year plus his fumble was brutal.
Before this breaks out into a debate about drafting an OT first - I can count on my right hand how many times I'd say you draft an OT in the top 5-10 picks. Ready? Joe Thomas, Walter Jones, Jon Ogden. Anthony Munoz and Orlando Pace not to be confused with trying to pretend Robert Gallery resembles any of those guys. In this case, I think Smith has caved in some freakin solid defensive fronts within a pretty strong conference of competition. We can get a rock solid RB anywhere from round 2-7 if history stays the course. look at last year. And as far as impact goes? I think Joe Thomas was as "Sudden Impact" as it gets while we're anxiously awaiting to see what Quinn has in his 3rd season right?
- Tom F.
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the Browns have Smith as the number one rated player on the board
Is he as first as Pioli was? Not for nothing but I don't know where Kokkinos and Mangini would have Smith rated. I will say Alabama was a completely different team in his absence, or better put, in his presence. He dominated people the way Orlando Pace did. If you can get footage of their matchup with Georgia - they just lined up and ran behind the young man all game long as GA helplessly watched the scoreboard change into a landslide loss.
I've joked around a few times that the 1 team that would probably be interested in DA as their solution would be Detroit. I'd rank him as a #32 starter but solid backup right now, which is subject to change for better or worse. That's more upside than Kitna at this point and I see why you'd like experience if you don't have Baltimore's D giving your QB the margin of error ANY QB dreams of (ie: Trent Dufus won a SB completing 30% of his passes with the margin of error I speak of). DA has an agent though so you know he'll overglom the part of 2007 from DA worth remembering.
The Cleveland Browns are going offseason grocery shopping with alot of holes in the lineup so I hope to God we have the RIGHT personnel people prioritizing. Therefore, we're gonna get widespread wood with the slightest of wind currents.
Zombo brought up a good point - we don't even have a GM so I'm not sure how valid this is. What's Mike Keenan's role at this point as we await a GM? The MAIN reason I was excited about Pioli is that he's an awesome wheeler and dealer. How else does a SB Champion have 3 first round picks (and 8 in the first 3 rounds) in the very next draft? If Randy does something BEFORE he can sign Kokkinos will he sour him too? This is every bit as important as the Head Coach thing.
Ragarding Ball's point about impact: It didn't look like we could run the ball up to snuff in 2008 because I think we have completely overrated the right side of our oline. We overpaid the bejesus out of Shaffer who's now getting beat frequently by right side guys like Mathis. When we can only run 1 way we're very easy to matchup with so I disagree about impact of the RIGHT OT. I'd rather see Shaffer competing with Tucker to see who starts at RG against the wider bodied DTs. We've got more holes to fill than a golf course so it's not gonna happen overnight. Rumors of cap jam are why I would say such a thing. Don't worry too much about that because Tenn had cap jam when I moved here in 06 and they fired their GM, restored their cap health and brought in solutions to team speed on offense like the Chris Johnson 4.29 forty speed the Ratbirds were saying uh-oh to in the first half yesterday. IMO, losing him to a mysterious ankle sprain made Tennessee much easier to stop. An overweight Lendale White looked as threatening as Jamal looked for us this year plus his fumble was brutal.
Before this breaks out into a debate about drafting an OT first - I can count on my right hand how many times I'd say you draft an OT in the top 5-10 picks. Ready? Joe Thomas, Walter Jones, Jon Ogden. Anthony Munoz and Orlando Pace not to be confused with trying to pretend Robert Gallery resembles any of those guys. In this case, I think Smith has caved in some freakin solid defensive fronts within a pretty strong conference of competition. We can get a rock solid RB anywhere from round 2-7 if history stays the course. look at last year. And as far as impact goes? I think Joe Thomas was as "Sudden Impact" as it gets while we're anxiously awaiting to see what Quinn has in his 3rd season right?
- Tom F.
Is he as first as Pioli was? Not for nothing but I don't know where Kokkinos and Mangini would have Smith rated. I will say Alabama was a completely different team in his absence, or better put, in his presence. He dominated people the way Orlando Pace did. If you can get footage of their matchup with Georgia - they just lined up and ran behind the young man all game long as GA helplessly watched the scoreboard change into a landslide loss.
I've joked around a few times that the 1 team that would probably be interested in DA as their solution would be Detroit. I'd rank him as a #32 starter but solid backup right now, which is subject to change for better or worse. That's more upside than Kitna at this point and I see why you'd like experience if you don't have Baltimore's D giving your QB the margin of error ANY QB dreams of (ie: Trent Dufus won a SB completing 30% of his passes with the margin of error I speak of). DA has an agent though so you know he'll overglom the part of 2007 from DA worth remembering.
The Cleveland Browns are going offseason grocery shopping with alot of holes in the lineup so I hope to God we have the RIGHT personnel people prioritizing. Therefore, we're gonna get widespread wood with the slightest of wind currents.
Zombo brought up a good point - we don't even have a GM so I'm not sure how valid this is. What's Mike Keenan's role at this point as we await a GM? The MAIN reason I was excited about Pioli is that he's an awesome wheeler and dealer. How else does a SB Champion have 3 first round picks (and 8 in the first 3 rounds) in the very next draft? If Randy does something BEFORE he can sign Kokkinos will he sour him too? This is every bit as important as the Head Coach thing.
- Tom F.
If Lerner does something to make any kind of move souring GM interest He may just have to hand over the reigns to a one Bernard Kosar once franchise QB of the browns Because frankly I cant see anyone else wanting the role...
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He is going to go high, and he has RT written all over him.
If GM's or whoever is selecting players get canned for selecting pro-bowl type players, something is wrong.
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@shepwrite said:
A right tackle #1 overall? Only if you're a GM who really hates his job. Yikes.The Browns are sitting in a great position because QBs and left tackles will go ahead of us and we have Quinn and Thomas. There's a chance Crabtree could get in there somewhere, too... and we only take him if we trade Bray-Bray.
It's almost like we already have the top pick, because we'll be looking at Curry, Mauauluga, Orakpo (he's falling, though), Jenkins, and Wells (unlikely, but it's Grossi's pick).
I doubt he's our #1 rated player. I hope it's Mays or Curry.
That said, I would understand wanting better for our right side than we've been willing to overpay in exchange for level of service in 2008. Smith is the TYPE of OT that comes around once every 5 years or so. Look at the effect of adding Jeff Otah to the RT spot in the first round for Carolina. Then again, they had two first round picks and picked another RB for their other first round pick. So here's their formula for success: 2 first round OTs Gross & Otah) and 2 first round RBs (Williams & Stewart). Not bad!!!
Ask Nick Saban what kind of impact Smith had on his team. If anyone caught the utah vrs Bama game - Utah was attacking via Smitty's backup. That wouldn't have been possible if the best overall player on Alabama was playing that day.
- Tom F.
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The elitists in this thread are such a joke. I would jump on this trade in a heartbeat. An elite RT puts us in the upper echelon of teams offensively. Note the dramatic drop off in production when Tucker was out.
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There is no way this team drafts an OT in the first round. This team has so many glaring needs and the OL is not really one of them. Although Shaffer is a stiff and should be replaced, that can be done in the second round and it would still be a huge upgrade.
This draft is loaded with OT's that would be an upgrade to Shaffer.... And all these can be drafted in the second round.
Phil Loadholt is a true right tackle and will more than likely be avaiable with the 37th pick.
There looks to be as many as five OT's going in the second round. I really think the Browns should think about the right side with their #2 pick. I like Loadholt a lot. He was at one time projected as a probable #1 and his stock has fallen a bit.
He is a bit rough right now but he has a huge upside. His size alone makes him attractive.
I'd love to see the Lions offer their #2 pick for DA. #33 overall. I'd jump all over that.
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The elitists in this thread are such a joke. I would jump on this trade in a heartbeat. An elite RT puts us in the upper echelon of teams offensively. Note the dramatic drop off in production when Tucker was out.
An elite RT puts us in the upper echelon of teams offensively.
With the NUMBER ONE OVERALL PICK???
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I would jump on this trade in a heartbeat.
Of course you would.
The elitists in this thread are such a joke.
Just a piss-poor overall take.
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The elitists in this thread are such a joke. I would jump on this trade in a heartbeat. An elite RT puts us in the upper echelon of teams offensively. Note the dramatic drop off in production when Tucker was out.
The elitists in this thread are such a joke.
I would certainly be remiss if I did not welcome Sarah Palin to the Browns Board.
Welcome, Madam Governor!
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As far as trade value goes you must not have watched last years draft where NE couldn't give away there pick to move back. Teams aren't as interested in the high draft picks anymore because of the salary ramifications. As far as having two awesome tackles look no further then over to Denver or Tenn where they have two very good tackles. Having a great line makes your QB look spectacular when he has time to throw the ball and as I have said there is no impact D players at pick 5. Orakpo is a very good college player...so is Tim Tebow. Bottom line is when you are getting a decent trade offer, can move DA's contract off of the books, and can get your number 1 player at this point you have to seriously consider it. I'm not saying this will happen...I am only passing along information that I heard. Smith is the highest rated player on most boards...yes some boards over rate Bradford and Stafford but he is almost a can't miss prospect. Note: He is not Robert Gallery. He played in the SEC with teams who have nearly as much NFL defensive talent as we do and he dominated..no wait he DOMINATED!
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He is NFL ready...some people just think certain positions are reserved for early picks.
My attitude is draft all-pros and you aren't going to regret it.....but I know most people don't agree with that.
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As far as trade value goes you must not have watched last years draft where NE couldn't give away there pick to move back. Teams aren't as interested in the high draft picks anymore because of the salary ramifications. As far as having two awesome tackles look no further then over to Denver or Tenn where they have two very good tackles. Having a great line makes your QB look spectacular when he has time to throw the ball and as I have said there is no impact D players at pick 5. Orakpo is a very good college player...so is Tim Tebow. Bottom line is when you are getting a decent trade offer, can move DA's contract off of the books, and can get your number 1 player at this point you have to seriously consider it. I'm not saying this will happen...I am only passing along information that I heard. Smith is the highest rated player on most boards...yes some boards over rate Bradford and Stafford but he is almost a can't miss prospect. Note: He is not Robert Gallery. He played in the SEC with teams who have nearly as much NFL defensive talent as we do and he dominated..no wait he DOMINATED!
As far as having two awesome tackles look no further then over to Denver or Tenn where they have two very good tackles.
Yes, and one of the four was #1 pick, and Clady (the lone 1st rounder) was picked at number 12. Plus, he's a LT, not a RT. RT's do not get picked in the first round generally, and certainly not #1 overall.
-Broncos LT Ryan Clady was a #1 pick this year, and their RT Ryan Harris was a 3rd rounder.
-Titans LT Michael Roos was a 2nd round pick and RT David Stewart went in the 4th.
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DA on the way out?
Aren't we all.
Act accordingly.
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As far as trade value goes you must not have watched last years draft where NE couldn't give away there pick to move back. Teams aren't as interested in the high draft picks anymore because of the salary ramifications. As far as having two awesome tackles look no further then over to Denver or Tenn where they have two very good tackles. Having a great line makes your QB look spectacular when he has time to throw the ball and as I have said there is no impact D players at pick 5. Orakpo is a very good college player...so is Tim Tebow. Bottom line is when you are getting a decent trade offer, can move DA's contract off of the books, and can get your number 1 player at this point you have to seriously consider it. I'm not saying this will happen...I am only passing along information that I heard. Smith is the highest rated player on most boards...yes some boards over rate Bradford and Stafford but he is almost a can't miss prospect. Note: He is not Robert Gallery. He played in the SEC with teams who have nearly as much NFL defensive talent as we do and he dominated..no wait he DOMINATED!
. Smith is the highest rated player on most boards...yes some boards over rate Bradford and Stafford but he is almost a can't miss prospect. Note: He is not Robert Gallery. He played in the SEC with teams who have nearly as much NFL defensive talent as we do and he dominated..no wait he DOMINATED!
When it comes to NFL talent, don't get too caught up in all the hype about the SEC.
The SEC speed and talent is pure ESPN and national media hype. It's not based on fact.
In the last four years, in rounds 1 thru 5 the SEC has had 35 interior linemen drafted. The ACC had 36 interior lineman drafted in those four years in rounds 1 thru 5. The Big ten has had 32 interior lineman drafted in that same time frame and rounds.
The Talent level is nearly the same in all the major conferences. When it comes to interior lineman the Pac 10 has been one of the weaker conferences. In the same years and rounds mentioned, the PAC 10 produced only 21 interior linemen.
Recently, two of the best Interior lineman in country have come from the Big Ten. Thomas and Long.
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He is NFL ready...some people just think certain positions are reserved for early picks.
My attitude is draft all-pros and you aren't going to regret it.....but I know most people don't agree with that.
He is NFL ready...some people just think certain positions are reserved for early picks.
My attitude is draft all-pros and you aren't going to regret it.....but I know most people don't agree with that.
You are exactly right about drafting All-Pros but that's not what we're discussing.
The original post posited we'd trade DA and the fifth pick for the #1 pick and we'd swap 2nds with the Lions.
And then we'd draft Smith to play RIGHT tackle.
Now, let's consider that statement on its face. By selecting Smith #1, we'd be committing to $30+ mil for a RIGHT tackle. (Thomas got $26 mil or thereabouts at #3 so it'll be higher than that.)
Peen, are you and the newbie robbie REALLY saying that of ALL the ways to use our first pick, DA and our salary cap, a RIGHT TACKLE would be the BEST of them?
Really?
By the way, I am an elitist. I like things that are not dumb.
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An elite RT puts us in the upper echelon of teams offensively.
With the NUMBER ONE OVERALL PICK???
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I would jump on this trade in a heartbeat.
Of course you would.
The elitists in this thread are such a joke.
Just a piss-poor overall take.
mz. said:
With the NUMBER ONE OVERALL PICK???...
Of course you would.
Just a piss-poor overall take.
Piss poor in your addled mind. For Christs sake you seem to think you are the end all be all in football knowledge. Really your predictions and "intelligent football musings" are a joke. I would take an Orlando Pace caliber tackle ALL DAY if I can get him. Especially for pure shit like DA. Go bully someone else who cares.
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mz. said:
With the NUMBER ONE OVERALL PICK???...
Of course you would.
Just a piss-poor overall take.
Piss poor in your addled mind. For Christs sake you seem to think you are the end all be all in football knowledge. Really your predictions and "intelligent football musings" are a joke. I would take an Orlando Pace caliber tackle ALL DAY if I can get him. Especially for pure shit like DA. Go bully someone else who cares.
Man, there is a lot to respond to here.
Piss poor in your addled mind.
I'm the addled one? I'm not the idiot who wants to spend a #1 pick on the only position we have a Pro Bowl player manning.
Really your predictions and "intelligent football musings" are a joke.
Which predictions? Which musings? if you don't like what I write, don't read it. It's simple.
I would take an Orlando Pace caliber tackle ALL DAY if I can get him. Especially for pure shit like DA.
We're not trading DA for the #1 pick in the draft. Read that a couple hundred times. You're very confused. The OP suggested we trade our pick and DA to Detroit for the #1 pick and take the LT with it. That was dumb enough. Tnhe fact that you're backing it up is even sillier.
ANYWAY...
We don't know this guy is Orlando Pace. For all we know he's Alex Barron, Tony Mandarich, Robert Gallery, etc. What we do know is that this clown you're comparing to a HOFer signs with an agent while he's still in school and gets suspended for the BCS bowl his team needed him in (and LOST). Sounds like a class act/bright dude.
Bro, we have ONE All-Pro player, and he happens to play LT. We don't need another. Are the Patriots looking at Matt Stafford or are the Vikings looking at Beanie Wells? Perhaps the Cards are looking to draft a WR in round 1...
Go bully someone else who cares.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. Blow me.
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He is NFL ready...some people just think certain positions are reserved for early picks.
My attitude is draft all-pros and you aren't going to regret it.....but I know most people don't agree with that.
You are exactly right about drafting All-Pros but that's not what we're discussing.
The original post posited we'd trade DA and the fifth pick for the #1 pick and we'd swap 2nds with the Lions.
And then we'd draft Smith to play RIGHT tackle.
Now, let's consider that statement on its face. By selecting Smith #1, we'd be committing to $30+ mil for a RIGHT tackle. (Thomas got $26 mil or thereabouts at #3 so it'll be higher than that.)
Peen, are you and the newbie robbie REALLY saying that of ALL the ways to use our first pick, DA and our salary cap, a RIGHT TACKLE would be the BEST of them?
Really?
By the way, I am an elitist. I like things that are not dumb.
I am hearing more and more that the Lions are interested in this deal. I guess the embarrassment of a winless season wants them to get an established QB right away to compete for a few wins. The browns are seriously considering T with the first pick and they are hoping a MLB/DE will land to them with the first pick in the 2nd round. Since my buddy is from Det I guess I don't know anything about us trading back in the draft. It sounds like DET doesn't want to pay number one overall money to a QB and Clev is getting a more than generous trade based on value to move up and take there choice number 1 if they want it.
On a side note I am guessing B.Quinn has a pretty good stiffy right now knowing his jersey won't have to be washed after games this year.
You are exactly right about drafting All-Pros but that's not what we're discussing.
The original post posited we'd trade DA and the fifth pick for the #1 pick and we'd swap 2nds with the Lions.
And then we'd draft Smith to play RIGHT tackle.
Now, let's consider that statement on its face. By selecting Smith #1, we'd be committing to $30+ mil for a RIGHT tackle. (Thomas got $26 mil or thereabouts at #3 so it'll be higher than that.)
Peen, are you and the newbie robbie REALLY saying that of ALL the ways to use our first pick, DA and our salary cap, a RIGHT TACKLE would be the BEST of them?
Really?
By the way, I am an elitist. I like things that are not dumb.
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what we need is a pass rush first above all else to have any chance against pitt and the ravens,,the way i saw it when pitt. losses its because ben is getting pressured badly not from opponets scoring big,,and to ever get to the dance we have to beat pitt. and baltimore..
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I am hearing more and more that the Lions are interested in this deal. I guess the embarrassment of a winless season wants them to get an established QB right away to compete for a few wins. The browns are seriously considering T with the first pick and they are hoping a MLB/DE will land to them with the first pick in the 2nd round. Since my buddy is from Det I guess I don't know anything about us trading back in the draft. It sounds like DET doesn't want to pay number one overall money to a QB and Clev is getting a more than generous trade based on value to move up and take there choice number 1 if they want it.
On a side note I am guessing B.Quinn has a pretty good stiffy right now knowing his jersey won't have to be washed after games this year.
You are exactly right about drafting All-Pros but that's not what we're discussing.
The original post posited we'd trade DA and the fifth pick for the #1 pick and we'd swap 2nds with the Lions.
And then we'd draft Smith to play RIGHT tackle.
Now, let's consider that statement on its face. By selecting Smith #1, we'd be committing to $30+ mil for a RIGHT tackle. (Thomas got $26 mil or thereabouts at #3 so it'll be higher than that.)
Peen, are you and the newbie robbie REALLY saying that of ALL the ways to use our first pick, DA and our salary cap, a RIGHT TACKLE would be the BEST of them?
Really?
By the way, I am an elitist. I like things that are not dumb.
I am hearing more and more that the Lions are interested in this deal... Det I guess I don't know anything about us trading back in the draft. It sounds like DET doesn't want to pay number one overall money to a QB and Clev is getting a more than generous trade based on value to move up and take there choice number 1 if they want it.
I was in Toledo yesterday (many Lions fans there) and they are worried the Lions will take a QB with the first pick. They seem to have had their fill of skill guys with their early picks.
I'm betting they want to trade down, but any takers is another story. While this is a deep draft class, there isn't a Peyton Manning sitting on top of the heap.
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