2013 Nfl Draft Discussion
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I would like to see the Browns bring in CB (Dee Milliner impressed me in the LSU game) in the 1st round. Sheldon Brown is aging and is at the end of his contract (I am not saying that we shouldn't resign him), and I think that some competition would do Joe Haden good. Also, compared to a LB, I think that CB is a more valuable position to have a standout in.
We are not getting any pressure on opposing QB's. If we have better coverage we get more coverage sacks. But if we get a great LB maybe we get more pressure and the CB doesn't need to be a first rounder. Either way we win, I hope.
We are not getting any pressure on opposing QB's. If we have better coverage we get more coverage sacks. But if we get a great LB maybe we get more pressure and the CB doesn't need to be a first rounder. Either way we win, I hope.
Yeah we have faced some pretty tough teams and have yet to have both of our starting tackles play a game together (and have been missing both of our starting outside linebackers all year) which would have helped. On the bright side, the rookies are getting a lot of valuable experience in the trenches. A lot of what we do depends on who is making the decisions come draft day. If I remember correctly, it is Heckert's philosophy that secondary players like corners are of high value early and tend to be surer things as picks. I would rank the Browns top 5 draft needs in order of importance as CB, DE, FS, LB, and OG. I am encouraged by JMJ's skills and think he can play in the NFL plus we will get Gocong back for next year.
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We are not getting any pressure on opposing QB's. If we have better coverage we get more coverage sacks. But if we get a great LB maybe we get more pressure and the CB doesn't need to be a first rounder. Either way we win, I hope.
Yeah we have faced some pretty tough teams and have yet to have both of our starting tackles play a game together (and have been missing both of our starting outside linebackers all year) which would have helped. On the bright side, the rookies are getting a lot of valuable experience in the trenches. A lot of what we do depends on who is making the decisions come draft day. If I remember correctly, it is Heckert's philosophy that secondary players like corners are of high value early and tend to be surer things as picks. I would rank the Browns top 5 draft needs in order of importance as CB, DE, FS, LB, and OG. I am encouraged by JMJ's skills and think he can play in the NFL plus we will get Gocong back for next year.
Yeah we have faced some pretty tough teams and have yet to have both of our starting tackles play a game together (and have been missing both of our starting outside linebackers all year) which would have helped. On the bright side, the rookies are getting a lot of valuable experience in the trenches. A lot of what we do depends on who is making the decisions come draft day. If I remember correctly, it is Heckert's philosophy that secondary players like corners are of high value early and tend to be surer things as picks. I would rank the Browns top 5 draft needs in order of importance as CB, DE, FS, LB, and OG. I am encouraged by JMJ's skills and think he can play in the NFL plus we will get Gocong back for next year.
i'd much rather grab the LB from bama with our high pick. played in the toughest conference in college ball, so we know he's NFL ready.
whose the best corner in college ball right now? (asking?)
i know if mathieu hadn't have F'd up he'd be a top 20 pick next year, maybe top ten the way he was lighting it up last year.
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Yeah we have faced some pretty tough teams and have yet to have both of our starting tackles play a game together (and have been missing both of our starting outside linebackers all year) which would have helped. On the bright side, the rookies are getting a lot of valuable experience in the trenches. A lot of what we do depends on who is making the decisions come draft day. If I remember correctly, it is Heckert's philosophy that secondary players like corners are of high value early and tend to be surer things as picks. I would rank the Browns top 5 draft needs in order of importance as CB, DE, FS, LB, and OG. I am encouraged by JMJ's skills and think he can play in the NFL plus we will get Gocong back for next year.
i'd much rather grab the LB from bama with our high pick. played in the toughest conference in college ball, so we know he's NFL ready.
whose the best corner in college ball right now? (asking?)
i know if mathieu hadn't have F'd up he'd be a top 20 pick next year, maybe top ten the way he was lighting it up last year.
i'd much rather grab the LB from bama with our high pick. played in the toughest conference in college ball, so we know he's NFL ready.
whose the best corner in college ball right now? (asking?)
i know if mathieu hadn't have F'd up he'd be a top 20 pick next year, maybe top ten the way he was lighting it up last year.
Most draft experts have your pick's teammate at Alabama, Dee Milliner, rated the best corner in the draft. Xavier Rhodes and Johnathan Banks seem to be the next best corners in the upcoming draft. I have only seen Milliner play and he impressed me in the LSU game. I did not see the ball thrown his way, and he made a couple of nice plays coming off of blitzes too. Mathieu is going to enter the draft in all probability. It will be interesting to see how all of his issues and not playing football this year affects his draft position. If he is available for the right price, I would not mind grabbing him and resigning Sheldon Brown so the kid can get acclimated to the NFL. I am no expert on talent, just giving my opinion about where the Browns are at and where their needs are.
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At this point based on where we would draft, there's no way we could wrong with Te'o or Jarvis Jones. KC and the Jags will likely go QB, and panthers just went LB in the last draft and desperately need a safety/CB.
You think the Jags will too?
I mean Blaine Gabbert hasn't set the world on fire, but his stats indicate he's been pretty decent this year. 9:5 TD:INT ratio. his completion percentage is up about 8% and his passer rating is at about 78, the his Total QB Rating is like 20.
He's younger than Luck, Tannehill, and obviously Weeden.
He's only a month older than Russel Wilson, a few months older than Robert Griffen.
He is at the rookie age. I would be surprised if they gave up on him. That team needs a lot of help, and this is coming from a Browns fan. His top receivers are Cecil Shorts III (a kid from Mount Union taken in the 4th round 2-3 years ago I believe), Laurent Robinson (Has really only had one good year, last year), and Justin Blackmon (Who has had a tough time adjusting to the NFL it seems), and then there is Marcedes Lewis who had one good year. Now he does have MoJo, but his lack of receivers isn't helping him.
Not saying they won't go QB, but this QB class kind of sucks. Geno Smith, Matt Barkley, and Collin Klein? IDK man.
You think the Jags will too?
I mean Blaine Gabbert hasn't set the world on fire, but his stats indicate he's been pretty decent this year. 9:5 TD:INT ratio. his completion percentage is up about 8% and his passer rating is at about 78, the his Total QB Rating is like 20.
He's younger than Luck, Tannehill, and obviously Weeden.
He's only a month older than Russel Wilson, a few months older than Robert Griffen.
He is at the rookie age. I would be surprised if they gave up on him. That team needs a lot of help, and this is coming from a Browns fan. His top receivers are Cecil Shorts III (a kid from Mount Union taken in the 4th round 2-3 years ago I believe), Laurent Robinson (Has really only had one good year, last year), and Justin Blackmon (Who has had a tough time adjusting to the NFL it seems), and then there is Marcedes Lewis who had one good year. Now he does have MoJo, but his lack of receivers isn't helping him.
Not saying they won't go QB, but this QB class kind of sucks. Geno Smith, Matt Barkley, and Collin Klein? IDK man.
That's a fair argument, but reading into some draft guru sites it seems to me that most people in and out of the organization think he's a dud. I watched most of that game last night (the first game I've ever watched of him to be fair) and he looks nothing more than average, a little below average. He might turn into a game manager type QB but the days of those types winning titles in the NFL is over. I know there isn't an Andrew Luck type prospect this year but at this point I'd be shocked personally if they didn't go QB.
My gut tells me that Barkley is going to get mad hyped and go number 1 to the jags or chiefs. I'm not endorsing the guy but that's how QB's always go.
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You think the Jags will too?
I mean Blaine Gabbert hasn't set the world on fire, but his stats indicate he's been pretty decent this year. 9:5 TD:INT ratio. his completion percentage is up about 8% and his passer rating is at about 78, the his Total QB Rating is like 20.
He's younger than Luck, Tannehill, and obviously Weeden.
He's only a month older than Russel Wilson, a few months older than Robert Griffen.
He is at the rookie age. I would be surprised if they gave up on him. That team needs a lot of help, and this is coming from a Browns fan. His top receivers are Cecil Shorts III (a kid from Mount Union taken in the 4th round 2-3 years ago I believe), Laurent Robinson (Has really only had one good year, last year), and Justin Blackmon (Who has had a tough time adjusting to the NFL it seems), and then there is Marcedes Lewis who had one good year. Now he does have MoJo, but his lack of receivers isn't helping him.
Not saying they won't go QB, but this QB class kind of sucks. Geno Smith, Matt Barkley, and Collin Klein? IDK man.
That's a fair argument, but reading into some draft guru sites it seems to me that most people in and out of the organization think he's a dud. I watched most of that game last night (the first game I've ever watched of him to be fair) and he looks nothing more than average, a little below average. He might turn into a game manager type QB but the days of those types winning titles in the NFL is over. I know there isn't an Andrew Luck type prospect this year but at this point I'd be shocked personally if they didn't go QB.
My gut tells me that Barkley is going to get mad hyped and go number 1 to the jags or chiefs. I'm not endorsing the guy but that's how QB's always go.
That's a fair argument, but reading into some draft guru sites it seems to me that most people in and out of the organization think he's a dud. I watched most of that game last night (the first game I've ever watched of him to be fair) and he looks nothing more than average, a little below average. He might turn into a game manager type QB but the days of those types winning titles in the NFL is over. I know there isn't an Andrew Luck type prospect this year but at this point I'd be shocked personally if they didn't go QB.
My gut tells me that Barkley is going to get mad hyped and go number 1 to the jags or chiefs. I'm not endorsing the guy but that's how QB's always go.
Perhaps....and from what I see, Barkley is a Colt McCoy clone...but not as good. Same height/weight, not as mobile, and a weaker arm than Colt.
Overrated...clap, clap, clap, clap clap. Overrated..clap, clap, clap, clap, clap.
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Barkley should thank Carson Palmer for having one good season so the NFL doesn't avoid USC Qb's like the plague as they should be doing.
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Jarvis Jones would be ideal though. Then again more picks would be nice. DE and DB should be taken first and then a Safety. Also, Weeden could be dumped with the change of command. So we could be looking at drafting another 1st round QB.
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i'd much rather grab the LB from bama with our high pick. played in the toughest conference in college ball, so we know he's NFL ready.
whose the best corner in college ball right now? (asking?)
i know if mathieu hadn't have F'd up he'd be a top 20 pick next year, maybe top ten the way he was lighting it up last year.
Most draft experts have your pick's teammate at Alabama, Dee Milliner, rated the best corner in the draft. Xavier Rhodes and Johnathan Banks seem to be the next best corners in the upcoming draft. I have only seen Milliner play and he impressed me in the LSU game. I did not see the ball thrown his way, and he made a couple of nice plays coming off of blitzes too. Mathieu is going to enter the draft in all probability. It will be interesting to see how all of his issues and not playing football this year affects his draft position. If he is available for the right price, I would not mind grabbing him and resigning Sheldon Brown so the kid can get acclimated to the NFL. I am no expert on talent, just giving my opinion about where the Browns are at and where their needs are.
Most draft experts have your pick's teammate at Alabama, Dee Milliner, rated the best corner in the draft. Xavier Rhodes and Johnathan Banks seem to be the next best corners in the upcoming draft. I have only seen Milliner play and he impressed me in the LSU game. I did not see the ball thrown his way, and he made a couple of nice plays coming off of blitzes too. Mathieu is going to enter the draft in all probability. It will be interesting to see how all of his issues and not playing football this year affects his draft position. If he is available for the right price, I would not mind grabbing him and resigning Sheldon Brown so the kid can get acclimated to the NFL. I am no expert on talent, just giving my opinion about where the Browns are at and where their needs are.
Yeah not sure whats happened to Amerson guy is a ballhawk and big.. He was a top 15 pick to start season now I've seen him in the 3rd..
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That's a fair argument, but reading into some draft guru sites it seems to me that most people in and out of the organization think he's a dud. I watched most of that game last night (the first game I've ever watched of him to be fair) and he looks nothing more than average, a little below average. He might turn into a game manager type QB but the days of those types winning titles in the NFL is over. I know there isn't an Andrew Luck type prospect this year but at this point I'd be shocked personally if they didn't go QB.
My gut tells me that Barkley is going to get mad hyped and go number 1 to the jags or chiefs. I'm not endorsing the guy but that's how QB's always go.
Perhaps....and from what I see, Barkley is a Colt McCoy clone...but not as good. Same height/weight, not as mobile, and a weaker arm than Colt.
Overrated...clap, clap, clap, clap clap. Overrated..clap, clap, clap, clap, clap.
Perhaps....and from what I see, Barkley is a Colt McCoy clone...but not as good. Same height/weight, not as mobile, and a weaker arm than Colt.
if barkley has a weaker arm than mccoy then that must mean mccoy can throw for 60+ down the field. have you even seen any of USC's game highlights? sure having two top ten WRs makes his life easier but i hate people that say if you don't throw the ball a hundred yards you suck as a QB. i doubt half of the best (perceived) QBs that ever played the game threw balls greater than 60 yards DTF. unitas, elway, marino had BIG ASS arms and could do that on a regular. but i've seen these off day NFL QB challenge types of shows and the only one now i see throwing it longer than 60 is rodgers and now maybe luck. montana didn't do it.
all this BS about strong armed blah blah blah is just that. bullshit.
that being said COLLIN KLEIN will be someone's next 15 year franchise QB.take that to the bank.
too bad we wasted a pick on weeden last year and gave up 3 picks for TR cuz we probably coulda nailed him in next year'sdraft.
haslam's boy banner even showed his cards saying weeden only has 7 more games to prove himself. kinda sucks being under the gun huh ( like mangini, shurmur, weeden and now even heckert.)
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i'd much rather grab the LB from bama with our high pick. played in the toughest conference in college ball, so we know he's NFL ready.
whose the best corner in college ball right now? (asking?)
i know if mathieu hadn't have F'd up he'd be a top 20 pick next year, maybe top ten the way he was lighting it up last year.
Most draft experts have your pick's teammate at Alabama, Dee Milliner, rated the best corner in the draft. Xavier Rhodes and Johnathan Banks seem to be the next best corners in the upcoming draft. I have only seen Milliner play and he impressed me in the LSU game. I did not see the ball thrown his way, and he made a couple of nice plays coming off of blitzes too. Mathieu is going to enter the draft in all probability. It will be interesting to see how all of his issues and not playing football this year affects his draft position. If he is available for the right price, I would not mind grabbing him and resigning Sheldon Brown so the kid can get acclimated to the NFL. I am no expert on talent, just giving my opinion about where the Browns are at and where their needs are.
Most draft experts have your pick's teammate at Alabama, Dee Milliner, rated the best corner in the draft. Xavier Rhodes and Johnathan Banks seem to be the next best corners in the upcoming draft. I have only seen Milliner play and he impressed me in the LSU game. I did not see the ball thrown his way, and he made a couple of nice plays coming off of blitzes too. Mathieu is going to enter the draft in all probability. It will be interesting to see how all of his issues and not playing football this year affects his draft position. If he is available for the right price, I would not mind grabbing him and resigning Sheldon Brown so the kid can get acclimated to the NFL. I am no expert on talent, just giving my opinion about where the Browns are at and where their needs are.
mathieu single handedly won that game vs. alabama the first go round last year.
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Perhaps....and from what I see, Barkley is a Colt McCoy clone...but not as good. Same height/weight, not as mobile, and a weaker arm than Colt.
if barkley has a weaker arm than mccoy then that must mean mccoy can throw for 60+ down the field. have you even seen any of USC's game highlights? sure having two top ten WRs makes his life easier but i hate people that say if you don't throw the ball a hundred yards you suck as a QB. i doubt half of the best (perceived) QBs that ever played the game threw balls greater than 60 yards DTF. unitas, elway, marino had BIG ASS arms and could do that on a regular. but i've seen these off day NFL QB challenge types of shows and the only one now i see throwing it longer than 60 is rodgers and now maybe luck. montana didn't do it.
all this BS about strong armed blah blah blah is just that. bullshit.
that being said COLLIN KLEIN will be someone's next 15 year franchise QB.take that to the bank.
too bad we wasted a pick on weeden last year and gave up 3 picks for TR cuz we probably coulda nailed him in next year'sdraft.
haslam's boy banner even showed his cards saying weeden only has 7 more games to prove himself. kinda sucks being under the gun huh ( like mangini, shurmur, weeden and now even heckert.)
if barkley has a weaker arm than mccoy then that must mean mccoy can throw for 60+ down the field. have you even seen any of USC's game highlights? sure having two top ten WRs makes his life easier but i hate people that say if you don't throw the ball a hundred yards you suck as a QB. i doubt half of the best (perceived) QBs that ever played the game threw balls greater than 60 yards DTF. unitas, elway, marino had BIG ASS arms and could do that on a regular. but i've seen these off day NFL QB challenge types of shows and the only one now i see throwing it longer than 60 is rodgers and now maybe luck. montana didn't do it.
all this BS about strong armed blah blah blah is just that. bullshit.
that being said COLLIN KLEIN will be someone's next 15 year franchise QB.take that to the bank.
too bad we wasted a pick on weeden last year and gave up 3 picks for TR cuz we probably coulda nailed him in next year'sdraft.
haslam's boy banner even showed his cards saying weeden only has 7 more games to prove himself. kinda sucks being under the gun huh ( like mangini, shurmur, weeden and now even heckert.)
[b]There isn't a single QB coming out this year that remotely looks as qualified to be an NFL QB as Brandon Weeden. I thought Geno Smith may have had that ability...and maybe he does, but he sure tailed off after a fast start. Barkely/Klein/whoever, none look as good as Weedon....and its not that I am that high on Weeden, I just think he is a lot better than the crop coming out.[/b]
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if barkley has a weaker arm than mccoy then that must mean mccoy can throw for 60+ down the field. have you even seen any of USC's game highlights? sure having two top ten WRs makes his life easier but i hate people that say if you don't throw the ball a hundred yards you suck as a QB. i doubt half of the best (perceived) QBs that ever played the game threw balls greater than 60 yards DTF. unitas, elway, marino had BIG ASS arms and could do that on a regular. but i've seen these off day NFL QB challenge types of shows and the only one now i see throwing it longer than 60 is rodgers and now maybe luck. montana didn't do it.
all this BS about strong armed blah blah blah is just that. bullshit.
that being said COLLIN KLEIN will be someone's next 15 year franchise QB.take that to the bank.
too bad we wasted a pick on weeden last year and gave up 3 picks for TR cuz we probably coulda nailed him in next year'sdraft.
haslam's boy banner even showed his cards saying weeden only has 7 more games to prove himself. kinda sucks being under the gun huh ( like mangini, shurmur, weeden and now even heckert.)
[b]There isn't a single QB coming out this year that remotely looks as qualified to be an NFL QB as Brandon Weeden. I thought Geno Smith may have had that ability...and maybe he does, but he sure tailed off after a fast start. Barkely/Klein/whoever, none look as good as Weedon....and its not that I am that high on Weeden, I just think he is a lot better than the crop coming out.[/b]
[b]There isn't a single QB coming out this year that remotely looks as qualified to be an NFL QB as Brandon Weeden. I thought Geno Smith may have had that ability...and maybe he does, but he sure tailed off after a fast start. Barkely/Klein/whoever, none look as good as Weedon....and its not that I am that high on Weeden, I just think he is a lot better than the crop coming out.[/b]
^ This
Browns should consider OLB (Jarvis Jones) in 1st, CB in 3rd, FS in 4th
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Gocong will probably be cut, coming in after an injury with close to $4.5 Million or next year.
Could Te'o play strongside backer or is he strictly a middle candidate?
Gocong will probably be cut, coming in after an injury with close to $4.5 Million or next year.
That could very well be true. It has been a tough year for the D with all of the missing personnel.
Could Te'o play strongside backer or is he strictly a middle candidate?
I really couldn't say. He did move from outside to inside linebacker when Notre Dame switched to a 3-4 in 2010.
Yeah not sure whats happened to Amerson guy is a ballhawk and big.. He was a top 15 pick to start season now I've seen him in the 3rd..
There is an article on Bleacher Report (I don't like the site at all) that says he has been awful so far this season.
mathieu single handedly won that game vs. alabama the first go round last year.
My concern with him is size. He is only 5-9 and 175 lbs. according to stats online. That is not big enough to get physical at the line or make plays in jump ball/over the top situations versus NFL receivers.
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What I would like done in the offseason
Resign:
- Sheldon Brown
- Alex Smith
- L.J. Fort
- Phil Dawson
- Ray Ventrone
- Josh Cooper
Cut:
- Chris Gocong
Main Free Agency Acquisitions:
- Greg Jennings... Go hard after him even though he is a bit injury prone lately, he is still a great receiver when healthy. The Packers will probably let him go. We need to see the commitment to building the offense and winning. The offense would have a great four wide set with Jennings, Gordon, Little, and Benjamin.
- Michael Huff... He will need to be cut by the Raiders, but with a lot coming in salary and a huge bonus (I believe $4 mil), that is likely to happen. While he's not going to set the world on fire, he would immediately step in at FS and be a good deep coverage safety.
- Charlie Johnson... The Vikings might bring him back, but if not, the Browns should look to fill the LG spot with him. He can play tackle or guard.
Draft:
Round One: Damontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M
Round Three: Desmond Trufant, CB, Washington
Round Four: Jelani Jenkins, OLB, Florida
Round Five: Michael Williams, TE, Alabama
Round Six: Kyle Long, OT/OG, Oregon
Round Seven: Jackson Rice, P, Oregon
- The actual players can be debatable; I just included them for fun... The positions for each round, however, are what I would actually like to see. CB and DE could be exchanged between rounds one and three.
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