Week 12 Game Impressions: Steelers Vs. Browns
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between roethlisberger and winslow jr. i think most NFL teams have stopped allowing players to own rice rockets with it being written into their contract.
one blew his career, the other blew his load.
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You are proving my point. I don't care how the defense or offense played. Bottom line - the steelers lost to the Raiders in a game that Ben played in. You aren't being a dick, you just aren't speaking the truth..
What do you mean you don't care? They lost to Oakland. I'm not denying that, but Ben was playing MVP type football before his injury and the defense early in the season wasn't playing well. Now the defense is playing well and Ben is hurt. Now combine the two and it's a Browns loss. I know you aren't stupid and I don't expect you to admit it but once again anyone seated in reality here know that would have been the likely outcome. (I posted Ben's stats for the Oakland game in my previous post)
Homotron said:
Now the defense is playing welluh, it's really not. remember who beat you today.
so to say that any part of your team played well isn't well thought out. (and i'm a realist who believes if ben had started you would have shredded us). a better HC and an aggressive OC and we woulda won by 3 TDs.....easy.
you guys sonner or later have to realize that your team is getting old and no 'just plug a new guy in' type shit is going to keep you afloat for the ensuing decade.
sorry, it's just the way it is.
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Fuck Ben Toothlessburgers.
He doesn't stop 5 fumbles by running backs.
Fuck these speculations - BROWNS WIN BABY - fuck the Steelers!
"All Truth Passes Through Three stages. First, It Is Ridiculed, Second It Is Violently Opposed, And Third, It Is Accepted As Self-Evident" ~Arthur Schopenhauer -
You are proving my point. I don't care how the defense or offense played. Bottom line - the steelers lost to the Raiders in a game that Ben played in. You aren't being a dick, you just aren't speaking the truth..
I think his point is that if 3rd string guy Batch put up 7 points that Ben probably would have managed a little better. We managed 17 points off of 7 turnovers - not counting last play obviously. We didn't exactly make the most of our chances, but we did enough. After last week, not choking is a huge improvement. A win is a win!!!
I think his point is that if 3rd string guy Batch put up 7 points that Ben probably would have managed a little better. We managed 17 points off of 7 turnovers - not counting last play obviously. We didn't exactly make the most of our chances, but we did enough. After last week, not choking is a huge improvement. A win is a win!!!
Batch put up zero points. Sheldon Brown handed the steelers 40 yards on a pass interference call and the RB scored the TD. Batch did pretty much nothing the entire game. You also can't forget the runningbacks for the steelers fumbled 5 times which is not on the QB..
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Wow this board has really gone to shit over the past few years. LOL.
Clueless fans on here.
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Homotron said:
Now the defense is playing welluh, it's really not. remember who beat you today.
so to say that any part of your team played well isn't well thought out. (and i'm a realist who believes if ben had started you would have shredded us). a better HC and an aggressive OC and we woulda won by 3 TDs.....easy.
you guys sonner or later have to realize that your team is getting old and no 'just plug a new guy in' type shit is going to keep you afloat for the ensuing decade.
sorry, it's just the way it is.
uh, it's really not. remember who beat you today.
so to say that any part of your team played well isn't well thought out. (and i'm a realist who believes if ben had started you would have shredded us). a better HC and an aggressive OC and we woulda won by 3 TDs.....easy.
you guys sonner or later have to realize that your team is getting old and no 'just plug a new guy in' type shit is going to keep you afloat for the ensuing decade.
sorry, it's just the way it is.
Did you watch the game today? Richardson had one nice run up the middle for a TD, otherwise he went no where. The secondary was coming up and making tackles and the lb's were getting to the QB. How the hell can you say the defense didn't play well when we turned the ball over that many times? You're from another planet. Our offense as someone else already mentioned is designed around Ben. He's hurt and our back ups are clearly inadequate. Break down the roster age wise. I'm tried of hearing about how old it is when it's not old at all. Sure there are some players getting long in the tooth but most have young guys contributing behind them. Stop being a dumb ass.
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Fuck Ben Toothlessburgers.
He doesn't stop 5 fumbles by running backs.
Fuck these speculations - BROWNS WIN BABY - fuck the Steelers!
Fuck Ben Toothlessburgers.
He doesn't stop 5 fumbles by running backs.
Fuck these speculations - BROWNS WIN BABY - fuck the Steelers!
Lol they run the ball a HELL of a lot less in to the teeth of a defense expecting the run if Ben is under center. Stop being clueless, please and thank you.
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this win was Shurmur's fault, oh wait it wasn't
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Fuck Ben Toothlessburgers.
He doesn't stop 5 fumbles by running backs.
Fuck these speculations - BROWNS WIN BABY - fuck the Steelers!
Lol they run the ball a HELL of a lot less in to the teeth of a defense expecting the run if Ben is under center. Stop being clueless, please and thank you.
Homotron said:
Lol they run the ball a HELL of a lot less in to the teeth of a defense expecting the run if Ben is under center. Stop being clueless, please and thank you.
So you are saying NONE of those 5 fumbles would have occurred? Every single RB on your roster fumbled today. Unless Ben holds their hand down the field he has no effect on whether or not they hold onto the ball. Talk about clueless..
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Hey guys! Probably isn't the place to introduce myself, but I am a huge fan from Winnipeg, Canada! Great win today! I don't care how it got done!
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Shurmur just praying his def keeps getting turnover.. like hes not even trying to move the ball anymore
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Zombo said:
...and it worked.
Worst strategy ever ... best win ever.
Go Browns!
Zombo
he called plays to not win, but it backfired on him. He can't even get that right
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I think his point is that if 3rd string guy Batch put up 7 points that Ben probably would have managed a little better. We managed 17 points off of 7 turnovers - not counting last play obviously. We didn't exactly make the most of our chances, but we did enough. After last week, not choking is a huge improvement. A win is a win!!!
Batch put up zero points. Sheldon Brown handed the steelers 40 yards on a pass interference call and the RB scored the TD. Batch did pretty much nothing the entire game. You also can't forget the runningbacks for the steelers fumbled 5 times which is not on the QB..
Batch put up zero points. Sheldon Brown handed the steelers 40 yards on a pass interference call and the RB scored the TD. Batch did pretty much nothing the entire game. You also can't forget the runningbacks for the steelers fumbled 5 times which is not on the QB..
True about Batch not even really doing anything for the TD. I just doubt Ben would have missed so many throws the way Batch did. And if ben was in they probably would have went 5 wide every play and refused to let another running back touch the ball all game.
With all the PI's we got called for last week I'm just glad passing wasn't even an option for their offense. -
I told you this game was going to be a no win sisuation for the Browns
Browns win----ohh it was against a third string QB
Browns Lose---- You suck you lost to a third string QB
Fact is Trich had over 100 total yards against that "Great Defense"
Fact Charlie Batch does suck
Fact Charlie Batch does not play Defense, but will say he didnt help them either
Fact Big Ben does not stop 5 fumbles, come on man
Fact Browns Defense has been lights out the last couple weeks, Big Phil Talyor Nasty....
Fact someone on this board still thinks that Haden, Ward, Talyor, Sheard, Rubin, DQ, Gordon, TRich, Tomas, Mack and anyone else cant would not start for the Big Bad Steelers.....
And Really I do not care who played QB for the Steelers, our Defense kicked the shit out the Steelers today!!! We won!!!!!! In years past the Steelers win this game, but things are changing in Cleveland and The Ravens, Steelers, and Bengals know it is coming...The problem is that Ravens and Steelers fans have there head so far up each others ass tehy dont see it coming and when we win its even better!!!!!!
Homotron you are a good steeler fan, but your impressions of our players vs your players are so far off not even funny.
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Now if we can get a good Head coach wwe might have something
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The bottom line here today is that it's clear the number one problem with the browns is coaching. Weeden looked below average today but also had some good throws. Trich had some nice runs but I can recall two plays that went to the edge out of 29 carries. With 7 turnovers that actually mattered, Shurmer manages 20 points with the most unimaginative offense in the world.
Weeden isn't progressing as much as you'd like, but he might as well be walking around in a boot with the handicap Shurmer gives him. There's no QB in the draft I like more and no FA guys either. I think we have a core of guys who can compete, and it shows more every week. I sound like a broken record here but fire every coach in the stable, bring in an actual NFL offense and let's see how good or bad Weeden is.
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The bottom line here today is that it's clear the number one problem with the browns is coaching. Weeden looked below average today but also had some good throws. Trich had some nice runs but I can recall two plays that went to the edge out of 29 carries. With 7 turnovers that actually mattered, Shurmer manages 20 points with the most unimaginative offense in the world.
Weeden isn't progressing as much as you'd like, but he might as well be walking around in a boot with the handicap Shurmer gives him. There's no QB in the draft I like more and no FA guys either. I think we have a core of guys who can compete, and it shows more every week. I sound like a broken record here but fire every coach in the stable, bring in an actual NFL offense and let's see how good or bad Weeden is.
The bottom line here today is that it's clear the number one problem with the browns is coaching. Weeden looked below average today but also had some good throws. Trich had some nice runs but I can recall two plays that went to the edge out of 29 carries. With 7 turnovers that actually mattered, Shurmer manages 20 points with the most unimaginative offense in the world.
Weeden isn't progressing as much as you'd like, but he might as well be walking around in a boot with the handicap Shurmer gives him. There's no QB in the draft I like more and no FA guys either. I think we have a core of guys who can compete, and it shows more every week. I sound like a broken record here but fire every coach in the stable, bring in an actual NFL offense and let's see how good or bad Weeden is.
I agree. Let a good coach get to coach weeden. And we might see a much better QB. And get him a #1 bigtime WR. The guys we have are decent, but none of them are #1 yet.
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I told you this game was going to be a no win sisuation for the Browns
Browns win----ohh it was against a third string QB
Browns Lose---- You suck you lost to a third string QB
Fact is Trich had over 100 total yards against that "Great Defense"
Fact Charlie Batch does suck
Fact Charlie Batch does not play Defense, but will say he didnt help them either
Fact Big Ben does not stop 5 fumbles, come on man
Fact Browns Defense has been lights out the last couple weeks, Big Phil Talyor Nasty....
Fact someone on this board still thinks that Haden, Ward, Talyor, Sheard, Rubin, DQ, Gordon, TRich, Tomas, Mack and anyone else cant would not start for the Big Bad Steelers.....
And Really I do not care who played QB for the Steelers, our Defense kicked the shit out the Steelers today!!! We won!!!!!! In years past the Steelers win this game, but things are changing in Cleveland and The Ravens, Steelers, and Bengals know it is coming...The problem is that Ravens and Steelers fans have there head so far up each others ass tehy dont see it coming and when we win its even better!!!!!!
Homotron you are a good steeler fan, but your impressions of our players vs your players are so far off not even funny.
I told you this game was going to be a no win sisuation for the Browns
Browns win----ohh it was against a third string QB
Browns Lose---- You suck you lost to a third string QB
Fact is Trich had over 100 total yards against that "Great Defense"
Fact Charlie Batch does suck
Fact Charlie Batch does not play Defense, but will say he didnt help them either
Fact Big Ben does not stop 5 fumbles, come on man
Fact Browns Defense has been lights out the last couple weeks, Big Phil Talyor Nasty....
Fact someone on this board still thinks that Haden, Ward, Talyor, Sheard, Rubin, DQ, Gordon, TRich, Tomas, Mack and anyone else cant would not start for the Big Bad Steelers.....
And Really I do not care who played QB for the Steelers, our Defense kicked the shit out the Steelers today!!! We won!!!!!! In years past the Steelers win this game, but things are changing in Cleveland and The Ravens, Steelers, and Bengals know it is coming...The problem is that Ravens and Steelers fans have there head so far up each others ass tehy dont see it coming and when we win its even better!!!!!!
Homotron you are a good steeler fan, but your impressions of our players vs your players are so far off not even funny.
I'm not going to address all of this, not because I can't but because I want to play some Black ops and I'm just "tired" of football today. I not once said a word about Richardson, D'qwell, Joe Thomas or Phil Taylor for that matter not being able to start for the Steelers. Haden would also certainly start but i just don't think it's this OBVIOUS choice. You can argue with me all you want but don't put words in my mouth that were never there. Actually I lied I'm going to address it all.
* T-rich had a effective game but he wasn't the difference. He wasn't even dominant, he was just solid in that he didn't turn it over and he had a nice, well blocked run up the gut for a td. He otherwise spent most of his day getting swarmed.
* Charlie Batch does suck but if not for the fumbles he still may have gotten it done today.
* You are correct that Big Ben wouldn't have stopped the 5 fumbles but you can be damn sure the Steelers don't run in to the teeth of a defense expecting the run with Ben under center. It just doesn't happen. You know it, I know it. Everyone knows it.
* Phil Taylor is a stud but he should be, he was drafted in the first round. I liked him for the Steelers but we obviously didn't get a crack at the man. I also don't believe there are many that would question the potential prowess of the Cleveland defense, especially once things start to gel. Yet you did just go up against a team lead by Charlie Batch who made it very clear he can't make all the throws. He just doesn't have it anymore and I don't expect him or Leftwich to be around a hell of a lot longer.
* Lastly don't put words in my mouth. I know what I said about whom would see playing time on the Steelers. You can go back and check it yourself if you'd like. The Browns barely won a football game with 8 fumbles, 5 recovered by the Browns and 3 interceptions against a Steeler team with their 3rd string quarter back. It's a win but it's not a win I'd be marking on the calender, not now...not ever.
Now i don't expect anyone to concede the above but I know most of you understand the above. If we lose to you guys I know something is wrong and right now something is wrong. I'm certain my sentiments will change as the Browns improve but the only reason i even give a damn about the Steelers/Browns games lately (the last 10 years) is because of all my close friends from college that are diehards and the sh*t talking on this message board. The fan base gets riled up for the Ravens games but not really for the Browns and that's unfortunate considering the history of the rivalry. It was a really crappy loss and for you all a win is still a win. I hope the rivalry gets back to where it belongs but right now I don't know that anyone gives a damn about losing to the Browns because everyone in Pittsburgh knows we lost because Ben is injured (and you guys aren't a legit threat) and that the season is in jeopardy as a direct result. (I know possibly arrogant but it's the damn truth at least as far as the opinion around here is concerned) Good luck with the rest of your games. I'll still be lurking until the last game of the season but I'm not here to dump on you all. I don't start BS, i just inject some "color" in defense of the Steelers from time to time. Have a good one fellas.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
The bottom line here today is that it's clear the number one problem with the browns is coaching. Weeden looked below average today but also had some good throws. Trich had some nice runs but I can recall two plays that went to the edge out of 29 carries. With 7 turnovers that actually mattered, Shurmer manages 20 points with the most unimaginative offense in the world.
Weeden isn't progressing as much as you'd like, but he might as well be walking around in a boot with the handicap Shurmer gives him. There's no QB in the draft I like more and no FA guys either. I think we have a core of guys who can compete, and it shows more every week. I sound like a broken record here but fire every coach in the stable, bring in an actual NFL offense and let's see how good or bad Weeden is.
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I told you this game was going to be a no win sisuation for the Browns
Browns win----ohh it was against a third string QB
Browns Lose---- You suck you lost to a third string QB
Fact is Trich had over 100 total yards against that "Great Defense"
Fact Charlie Batch does suck
Fact Charlie Batch does not play Defense, but will say he didnt help them either
Fact Big Ben does not stop 5 fumbles, come on man
Fact Browns Defense has been lights out the last couple weeks, Big Phil Talyor Nasty....
Fact someone on this board still thinks that Haden, Ward, Talyor, Sheard, Rubin, DQ, Gordon, TRich, Tomas, Mack and anyone else cant would not start for the Big Bad Steelers.....
And Really I do not care who played QB for the Steelers, our Defense kicked the shit out the Steelers today!!! We won!!!!!! In years past the Steelers win this game, but things are changing in Cleveland and The Ravens, Steelers, and Bengals know it is coming...The problem is that Ravens and Steelers fans have there head so far up each others ass tehy dont see it coming and when we win its even better!!!!!!
Homotron you are a good steeler fan, but your impressions of our players vs your players are so far off not even funny.
I'm not going to address all of this, not because I can't but because I want to play some Black ops and I'm just "tired" of football today. I not once said a word about Richardson, D'qwell, Joe Thomas or Phil Taylor for that matter not being able to start for the Steelers. Haden would also certainly start but i just don't think it's this OBVIOUS choice. You can argue with me all you want but don't put words in my mouth that were never there. Actually I lied I'm going to address it all.
* T-rich had a effective game but he wasn't the difference. He wasn't even dominant, he was just solid in that he didn't turn it over and he had a nice, well blocked run up the gut for a td. He otherwise spent most of his day getting swarmed.
* Charlie Batch does suck but if not for the fumbles he still may have gotten it done today.
* You are correct that Big Ben wouldn't have stopped the 5 fumbles but you can be damn sure the Steelers don't run in to the teeth of a defense expecting the run with Ben under center. It just doesn't happen. You know it, I know it. Everyone knows it.
* Phil Taylor is a stud but he should be, he was drafted in the first round. I liked him for the Steelers but we obviously didn't get a crack at the man. I also don't believe there are many that would question the potential prowess of the Cleveland defense, especially once things start to gel. Yet you did just go up against a team lead by Charlie Batch who made it very clear he can't make all the throws. He just doesn't have it anymore and I don't expect him or Leftwich to be around a hell of a lot longer.
* Lastly don't put words in my mouth. I know what I said about whom would see playing time on the Steelers. You can go back and check it yourself if you'd like. The Browns barely won a football game with 8 fumbles, 5 recovered by the Browns and 3 interceptions against a Steeler team with their 3rd string quarter back. It's a win but it's not a win I'd be marking on the calender, not now...not ever.
Now i don't expect anyone to concede the above but I know most of you understand the above. If we lose to you guys I know something is wrong and right now something is wrong. I'm certain my sentiments will change as the Browns improve but the only reason i even give a damn about the Steelers/Browns games lately (the last 10 years) is because of all my close friends from college that are diehards and the sh*t talking on this message board. The fan base gets riled up for the Ravens games but not really for the Browns and that's unfortunate considering the history of the rivalry. It was a really crappy loss and for you all a win is still a win. I hope the rivalry gets back to where it belongs but right now I don't know that anyone gives a damn about losing to the Browns because everyone in Pittsburgh knows we lost because Ben is injured (and you guys aren't a legit threat) and that the season is in jeopardy as a direct result. (I know possibly arrogant but it's the damn truth at least as far as the opinion around here is concerned) Good luck with the rest of your games. I'll still be lurking until the last game of the season but I'm not here to dump on you all. I don't start BS, i just inject some "color" in defense of the Steelers from time to time. Have a good one fellas.
Homotron said:
I'm not going to address all of this, not because I can't but because I want to play some Black ops and I'm just "tired" of football today. I not once said a word about Richardson, D'qwell, Joe Thomas or Phil Taylor for that matter not being able to start for the Steelers. Haden would also certainly start but i just don't think it's this OBVIOUS choice. You can argue with me all you want but don't put words in my mouth that were never there. Actually I lied I'm going to address it all.
* T-rich had a effective game but he wasn't the difference. He wasn't even dominant, he was just solid in that he didn't turn it over and he had a nice, well blocked run up the gut for a td. He otherwise spent most of his day getting swarmed.
* Charlie Batch does suck but if not for the fumbles he still may have gotten it done today.
* You are correct that Big Ben wouldn't have stopped the 5 fumbles but you can be damn sure the Steelers don't run in to the teeth of a defense expecting the run with Ben under center. It just doesn't happen. You know it, I know it. Everyone knows it.
* Phil Taylor is a stud but he should be, he was drafted in the first round. I liked him for the Steelers but we obviously didn't get a crack at the man. I also don't believe there are many that would question the potential prowess of the Cleveland defense, especially once things start to gel. Yet you did just go up against a team lead by Charlie Batch who made it very clear he can't make all the throws. He just doesn't have it anymore and I don't expect him or Leftwich to be around a hell of a lot longer.
* Lastly don't put words in my mouth. I know what I said about whom would see playing time on the Steelers. You can go back and check it yourself if you'd like. The Browns barely won a football game with 8 fumbles, 5 recovered by the Browns and 3 interceptions against a Steeler team with their 3rd string quarter back. It's a win but it's not a win I'd be marking on the calender, not now...not ever.
Now i don't expect anyone to concede the above but I know most of you understand the above. If we lose to you guys I know something is wrong and right now something is wrong. I'm certain my sentiments will change as the Browns improve but the only reason i even give a damn about the Steelers/Browns games lately (the last 10 years) is because of all my close friends from college that are diehards and the sh*t talking on this message board. The fan base gets riled up for the Ravens games but not really for the Browns and that's unfortunate considering the history of the rivalry. It was a really crappy loss and for you all a win is still a win. I hope the rivalry gets back to where it belongs but right now I don't know that anyone gives a damn about losing to the Browns because everyone in Pittsburgh knows we lost because Ben is injured (and you guys aren't a legit threat) and that the season is in jeopardy as a direct result. (I know possibly arrogant but it's the damn truth at least as far as the opinion around here is concerned) Good luck with the rest of your games. I'll still be lurking until the last game of the season but I'm not here to dump on you all. I don't start BS, i just inject some "color" in defense of the Steelers from time to time. Have a good one fellas.
1) Wasn't it you- "short attention span" who was telling us that Batch was better than most 2nd string qb? I'll even give him the "rust" factor- he sucked today- had adequate protection for the most part.
2) Oh St. Ben would have won the game- he's hurt- sorry about that. Told you twice already the pity card doesn't work.
3) Like I said- Shur-loss tried to hand you the game (as he does any opposing team)- any competent NFL HC beats the living snot out of the opposition team with 8 turnovers. You play like that next week- the Crows are going to dismantle you by about 30.
4) Eat crow about Gordon. Incidentally sucky Haden held all-world Wallace to 1 catch- non-factor. Kindly take your homer glasses off for a second and realize the Browns are building a damn good defense- You're not running against Taylor & Rubin- and no one else will, either.
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