A Further Look At The Browns Vs Steelers Game
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How did they take advantage of 8 turnovers exactly?? All those teams didn't have 8 turnovers, yes the steelers have a good defense but any decent offense should score more than 20 with all that extra help..any way you try to spin it
How did they take advantage of 8 turnovers exactly?? All those teams didn't have 8 turnovers, yes the steelers have a good defense but any decent offense should score more than 20 with all that extra help..any way you try to spin it
The advantage taken was we had the ball and they didn't, thus reducing their ability to score points.
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How did they take advantage of 8 turnovers exactly?? All those teams didn't have 8 turnovers, yes the steelers have a good defense but any decent offense should score more than 20 with all that extra help..any way you try to spin it
How did they take advantage of 8 turnovers exactly?? All those teams didn't have 8 turnovers, yes the steelers have a good defense but any decent offense should score more than 20 with all that extra help..any way you try to spin it
I love hearing how we should have won games (DAL, IND, PHI) and then hearing how we should have lost this game
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How did they take advantage of 8 turnovers exactly?? All those teams didn't have 8 turnovers, yes the steelers have a good defense but any decent offense should score more than 20 with all that extra help..any way you try to spin it
I love hearing how we should have won games (DAL, IND, PHI) and then hearing how we should have lost this game
I love hearing how we should have won games (DAL, IND, PHI) and then hearing how we should have lost this game
No, I think it is believed that the Browns should have won this game by a much larger margin...given the number of turnovers they forced.
The thing I am hearing is that the original poster felt that the Browns offense had a very decent day against a top quality defense. All fine, well, and good.
What I want to see now is the Browns offense having a stellar day against a middling defense.
When are they going to light up the scoreboard and have Weeden throwing the ball like a man man and Little/Gordon/Benjamin/MoMass/Cooper/Cameron/Watson/Smith et al catching the ball like mad men. When is TR going to push getting a 200 yard game. When is this team going to score 40+ points like we think it should.
Many of us think the thing that is holding this team back from accomplishing this is one Mr. Pat Shurmur with his horrendous schemes/playcalling/motivational techniques.
Lets see this West Coast offense explode the way that the Joe Montana/Steve Young 49er offense or the Dan Fouts Charger offense exploded.
A good enough place for this West Coast offense to explode seems to me to be on the West Coast. Oakland, California. Why not?
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I love hearing how we should have won games (DAL, IND, PHI) and then hearing how we should have lost this game
No, I think it is believed that the Browns should have won this game by a much larger margin...given the number of turnovers they forced.
The thing I am hearing is that the original poster felt that the Browns offense had a very decent day against a top quality defense. All fine, well, and good.
What I want to see now is the Browns offense having a stellar day against a middling defense.
When are they going to light up the scoreboard and have Weeden throwing the ball like a man man and Little/Gordon/Benjamin/MoMass/Cooper/Cameron/Watson/Smith et al catching the ball like mad men. When is TR going to push getting a 200 yard game. When is this team going to score 40+ points like we think it should.
Many of us think the thing that is holding this team back from accomplishing this is one Mr. Pat Shurmur with his horrendous schemes/playcalling/motivational techniques.
Lets see this West Coast offense explode the way that the Joe Montana/Steve Young 49er offense or the Dan Fouts Charger offense exploded.
A good enough place for this West Coast offense to explode seems to me to be on the West Coast. Oakland, California. Why not?
No, I think it is believed that the Browns should have won this game by a much larger margin...given the number of turnovers they forced.
The thing I am hearing is that the original poster felt that the Browns offense had a very decent day against a top quality defense. All fine, well, and good.
What I want to see now is the Browns offense having a stellar day against a middling defense.
When are they going to light up the scoreboard and have Weeden throwing the ball like a man man and Little/Gordon/Benjamin/MoMass/Cooper/Cameron/Watson/Smith et al catching the ball like mad men. When is TR going to push getting a 200 yard game. When is this team going to score 40+ points like we think it should.
Many of us think the thing that is holding this team back from accomplishing this is one Mr. Pat Shurmur with his horrendous schemes/playcalling/motivational techniques.
Lets see this West Coast offense explode the way that the Joe Montana/Steve Young 49er offense or the Dan Fouts Charger offense exploded.
A good enough place for this West Coast offense to explode seems to me to be on the West Coast. Oakland, California. Why not?
If not against the Rai-duhs it ain't happening. Oakland is 25th in yards allowed, and DEAD LAST 32nd in points allowed. No time like Sunday.
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The Steelers defense is not as good as the stats make them appear to be. Most important stat for a defense is turnovers, and the Steelers rank near the bottom in generating them. The Steelers offense was/is horrible without Ben, yet we were still in the game up until the end despite 8 turnovers. I really don't see how you can be "optimistic" about your teams future after that win. But you accomplished your goal of beating your hated division rivals, probably knocking them out of the play-offs. Bet that feels like winning the Super Bowl.
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The Steelers defense is not as good as the stats make them appear to be. Most important stat for a defense is turnovers, and the Steelers rank near the bottom in generating them. The Steelers offense was/is horrible without Ben, yet we were still in the game up until the end despite 8 turnovers. I really don't see how you can be "optimistic" about your teams future after that win. But you accomplished your goal of beating your hated division rivals, probably knocking them out of the play-offs. Bet that feels like winning the Super Bowl.
Endymion said:
The Steelers defense is not as good as the stats make them appear to be. Most important stat for a defense is turnovers, and the Steelers rank near the bottom in generating them. The Steelers offense was/is horrible without Ben, yet we were still in the game up until the end despite 8 turnovers. I really don't see how you can be "optimistic" about your teams future after that win. But you accomplished your goal of beating your hated division rivals, probably knocking them out of the play-offs. Bet that feels like winning the Super Bowl.
Is the Steeler defense "bad" because it doesn't generate turnovers? Or is it a fact that they seem to rank low simply because their TO differential is so poor due to the offense coughing up the ball? I doubt they were rated all that bad before Sunday. Getting ass whipped by a team that caused 8 TO's will make your rating go down.
As for the offense being horrible without Ben....maybe. Maybe it ain't all that good with him? Ben doesn't run the ball or block and the Steelers are mediocre at best in those categories.
He is good at keeping plays alive and finding some decent receivers, but that doesn't make a juggernaut.
As for this game feeling like winning a Super Bowl? Not even close. Winning a Super Bowl is what feels like winning a Super Bowl. This just feels like what you said: a victory over a rival.
As for knocking the Steelers out of the playoffs? No, this was just an ante. I suspect that will be a job done by the Ravens and Bengals. But, by all means, feel free to have some of their players be carried off in the meat wagon.
I personally am not sure who I would rather see lose, the Steelers or Ravens.
And there is certainly cause to "hate" the Bengals every bit as much as those two teams....if they were ever any good.
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Wow what gets me most is whether we lose by 3 points or 30 a loss is still a loss. Eight TO's or none did we not just put a big fat W in the win column last week? The amount of crying an moaning about how we should have put up big numbers because of 8 turnovers is downright disgusting. This team doesn't understand how to win consistently yet, but we are supposed to put up 40 on the number one defense? Out of your minds. Celebrate the fact that despite Pat we pulled it out anyways. I even remember seeing a thread on the ridiculous things we had to do offensively to win that game. Well we did it defensively instead and guess what...?
WE WON THE GAME!!!!!!
The amount of Brown's fans that obviously have terrible lives is staggering. Find a hobby that doesn't involve human interaction, you might find yourself waking up on the RIGHT side of the bed for a change.
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8 turnovers + Pat Shurmur designed offense = 20 pts
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Your 100% correct Xanthros.We freaking won however ugly or close it doesn't matter we won with Weeden NOR COLT so accept a win.
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The Steelers defense is not as good as the stats make them appear to be. Most important stat for a defense is turnovers, and the Steelers rank near the bottom in generating them. The Steelers offense was/is horrible without Ben, yet we were still in the game up until the end despite 8 turnovers. I really don't see how you can be "optimistic" about your teams future after that win. But you accomplished your goal of beating your hated division rivals, probably knocking them out of the play-offs. Bet that feels like winning the Super Bowl.
Endymion said:
The Steelers defense is not as good as the stats make them appear to be. Most important stat for a defense is turnovers, and the Steelers rank near the bottom in generating them. The Steelers offense was/is horrible without Ben, yet we were still in the game up until the end despite 8 turnovers. I really don't see how you can be "optimistic" about your teams future after that win. But you accomplished your goal of beating your hated division rivals, probably knocking them out of the play-offs. Bet that feels like winning the Super Bowl.
It felt like beating a beat up team- and thanks to Shur-loss, we almost blew it. The "victory Port" was quite nice though. Ya know, we've won so few games over the last 10 years, ANY win is a cause for celebration.
Turnovers help, but I'll disagree- most important stat is points allowed. The other team scores less points, you win EVERY time.
Incidentally until last week your offense hadn't turned the ball over much either- so it's a wash.
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Endymion said:
The Steelers defense is not as good as the stats make them appear to be. Most important stat for a defense is turnovers, and the Steelers rank near the bottom in generating them. The Steelers offense was/is horrible without Ben, yet we were still in the game up until the end despite 8 turnovers. I really don't see how you can be "optimistic" about your teams future after that win. But you accomplished your goal of beating your hated division rivals, probably knocking them out of the play-offs. Bet that feels like winning the Super Bowl.
It felt like beating a beat up team- and thanks to Shur-loss, we almost blew it. The "victory Port" was quite nice though. Ya know, we've won so few games over the last 10 years, ANY win is a cause for celebration.
Turnovers help, but I'll disagree- most important stat is points allowed. The other team scores less points, you win EVERY time.
Incidentally until last week your offense hadn't turned the ball over much either- so it's a wash.
It felt like beating a beat up team- and thanks to Shur-loss, we almost blew it. The "victory Port" was quite nice though. Ya know, we've won so few games over the last 10 years, ANY win is a cause for celebration.
Turnovers help, but I'll disagree- most important stat is points allowed. The other team scores less points, you win EVERY time.
Incidentally until last week your offense hadn't turned the ball over much either- so it's a wash.
I don't see this as beating up a beat up team. They had two guys out, BR and Polly. They had their full stable of RBs in the game and the Browns hammered them. Except for Castro who has never played for them their starting OL was intact. They didn't get 8 sacks like the prior week, but they got one plus many pressures, plus they gave up only 49 yards.
And the Steeler defense was still rated #1 yds or #4 pts. The vaunted Ravens offense only scored 13 against them....and I doubt that they will put up more than the 20 the Browns scored last week.
And if the Steelers were beat up because it was the Browns who did the beating. They carted Adams off, and who else?
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As much as people would like, in the end, there is no "Yea but" category. Just wins and losses. Browns defense played very well. We won, cry all you want, you lost the game. End of story.
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Let it be known that I haven't been "crying" at all about this game. I've been stating the facts from my end of things. I'd also like to say that this fan written article is absolutely mental BECAUSE of the facts. The Browns were spotted the ball on the Pittsburgh side of the field at least 6 of the 8 times the Steelers turned it over and SUPER MAN Weeden could only muster a touchdown. The Browns offense could only muster two. The Browns didn't turn it over outside of the Richardson fumble to end the game but couldn't be reviewed because we were out of time outs. I agree with a few that a win is a win and win's and loss's are the only stats that matter. However this isn't a game I'd hang my hat on if I'm a Browns fan. Hell it's a game I wouldn't even want to talk about because it was THAT bad.
Gipper - Ben, Troy, Antonio Brown, Marcus Gilbert and Lamar Woodley left the game very early with an ankle. I'm not even sure why you mentioned DeCastro. Jerricho Cotchery was also out which is why we signed Burress. If you're gonna talk injuries at least be right about it. Brown is the best receiver on the team. Gilbert is our best right tackle. Worilds has played well behind Woodley all year so that's a wash. Oh and Ben being out is a pretty substantial injury. It's not just a "only these two were out" kind of injuries. Either way a win is a win and not once have I cried about anything post game. Injuries are a part of the game and the Steelers are decimated.
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Sorry guys but you can't have it both ways. How many times have we given up fucking 8 turnovers and STILL ALMOST win the game? But, that's just a moral victory and it doesn't count and I'm sure that other fans out there are crying because they ALMOST lost to the Browns... Hell no, they take that victory and run down the street laughing out loud!
The only people upset with the outcome of last weeks game against the Steelers are either Steeler Fans or those interested in Draft position. We'll get a good player no matter what, picking in any spot in the first round. We don't have a second pick this year so whoever is the Best Player Available within the next 50 picks will be our pick.
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Let it be known that I haven't been "crying" at all about this game. I've been stating the facts from my end of things. I'd also like to say that this fan written article is absolutely mental BECAUSE of the facts. The Browns were spotted the ball on the Pittsburgh side of the field at least 6 of the 8 times the Steelers turned it over and SUPER MAN Weeden could only muster a touchdown. The Browns offense could only muster two. The Browns didn't turn it over outside of the Richardson fumble to end the game but couldn't be reviewed because we were out of time outs. I agree with a few that a win is a win and win's and loss's are the only stats that matter. However this isn't a game I'd hang my hat on if I'm a Browns fan. Hell it's a game I wouldn't even want to talk about because it was THAT bad.
Gipper - Ben, Troy, Antonio Brown, Marcus Gilbert and Lamar Woodley left the game very early with an ankle. I'm not even sure why you mentioned DeCastro. Jerricho Cotchery was also out which is why we signed Burress. If you're gonna talk injuries at least be right about it. Brown is the best receiver on the team. Gilbert is our best right tackle. Worilds has played well behind Woodley all year so that's a wash. Oh and Ben being out is a pretty substantial injury. It's not just a "only these two were out" kind of injuries. Either way a win is a win and not once have I cried about anything post game. Injuries are a part of the game and the Steelers are decimated.
Let it be known that I haven't been "crying" at all about this game. I've been stating the facts from my end of things. I'd also like to say that this fan written article is absolutely mental BECAUSE of the facts. The Browns were spotted the ball on the Pittsburgh side of the field at least 6 of the 8 times the Steelers turned it over and SUPER MAN Weeden could only muster a touchdown. The Browns offense could only muster two. The Browns didn't turn it over outside of the Richardson fumble to end the game but couldn't be reviewed because we were out of time outs. I agree with a few that a win is a win and win's and loss's are the only stats that matter. However this isn't a game I'd hang my hat on if I'm a Browns fan. Hell it's a game I wouldn't even want to talk about because it was THAT bad.
Gipper - Ben, Troy, Antonio Brown, Marcus Gilbert and Lamar Woodley left the game very early with an ankle. I'm not even sure why you mentioned DeCastro. Jerricho Cotchery was also out which is why we signed Burress. If you're gonna talk injuries at least be right about it. Brown is the best receiver on the team. Gilbert is our best right tackle. Worilds has played well behind Woodley all year so that's a wash. Oh and Ben being out is a pretty substantial injury. It's not just a "only these two were out" kind of injuries. Either way a win is a win and not once have I cried about anything post game. Injuries are a part of the game and the Steelers are decimated.
I said as much. But in the "Big Boy League" playing the injury card classifies you as a whiner. Also said Shur-loss is a joke of a HC, want to debate me there- on the other side of whinedom?
BTW, I looked at your injury report, and got a Bookie where I can put $20 on the Ravens to cover?
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Endymion said:
The Steelers defense is not as good as the stats make them appear to be. Most important stat for a defense is turnovers, and the Steelers rank near the bottom in generating them. The Steelers offense was/is horrible without Ben, yet we were still in the game up until the end despite 8 turnovers. I really don't see how you can be "optimistic" about your teams future after that win. But you accomplished your goal of beating your hated division rivals, probably knocking them out of the play-offs. Bet that feels like winning the Super Bowl.
It felt like beating a beat up team- and thanks to Shur-loss, we almost blew it. The "victory Port" was quite nice though. Ya know, we've won so few games over the last 10 years, ANY win is a cause for celebration.
Turnovers help, but I'll disagree- most important stat is points allowed. The other team scores less points, you win EVERY time.
Incidentally until last week your offense hadn't turned the ball over much either- so it's a wash.
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i love how fans designate other fans that don't agree with their opinions as crying or whining.
yeah we won the game, but as the gipper has pointed out when is the browns' offense going to explode? we traded picks for the #1 running back in the draft. we spent our second pick on our so-called franchise QB and finally have receivers that hold onto the ball (when it's thrown close to them).
the steelers are old and beat up. they will be at the bottom of the AFCN next year and for years to come.
we should have beat them by 3 touchdowns.
just sayin. (does this mean i'm bitching, beotches?)
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Let it be known that I haven't been "crying" at all about this game. I've been stating the facts from my end of things. I'd also like to say that this fan written article is absolutely mental BECAUSE of the facts. The Browns were spotted the ball on the Pittsburgh side of the field at least 6 of the 8 times the Steelers turned it over and SUPER MAN Weeden could only muster a touchdown. The Browns offense could only muster two. The Browns didn't turn it over outside of the Richardson fumble to end the game but couldn't be reviewed because we were out of time outs. I agree with a few that a win is a win and win's and loss's are the only stats that matter. However this isn't a game I'd hang my hat on if I'm a Browns fan. Hell it's a game I wouldn't even want to talk about because it was THAT bad.
Gipper - Ben, Troy, Antonio Brown, Marcus Gilbert and Lamar Woodley left the game very early with an ankle. I'm not even sure why you mentioned DeCastro. Jerricho Cotchery was also out which is why we signed Burress. If you're gonna talk injuries at least be right about it. Brown is the best receiver on the team. Gilbert is our best right tackle. Worilds has played well behind Woodley all year so that's a wash. Oh and Ben being out is a pretty substantial injury. It's not just a "only these two were out" kind of injuries. Either way a win is a win and not once have I cried about anything post game. Injuries are a part of the game and the Steelers are decimated.
Let it be known that I haven't been "crying" at all about this game.
Yes, you have been.
I've been stating the facts from my end of things.
Your end of things puts you in OZ.
I'd also like to say that this fan written article is absolutely mental BECAUSE of the facts. The Browns were spotted the ball on the Pittsburgh side of the field at least 6 of the 8 times the Steelers turned it over and SUPER MAN Weeden could only muster a touchdown. The Browns offense could only muster two.
Yes, it shoulda/coulda been a much bigger wipeout. (do you not credit the Steelers #1 ranked defense at all for having stopped them?)
The Browns didn't turn it over outside of the Richardson fumble to end the game but couldn't be reviewed because we were out of time outs. I agree with a few that a win is a win and win's and loss's are the only stats that matter. However this isn't a game I'd hang my hat on if I'm a Browns fan. Hell it's a game I wouldn't even want to talk about because it was THAT bad.
Sure it is a game to hang their hat on: they beat a winning team, a rival team. It is a game that should/could help them build confidence. What else do you think we DO make of it beyond that?
Gipper - Ben, Troy, Antonio Brown, Marcus Gilbert and Lamar Woodley left the game very early with an ankle.
Right. The Browns knocked those guys out of the game.
I'm not even sure why you mentioned DeCastro.
I mentioned him by saying that he has not been a part of your team all year...and by saying that beyond him...whose value as a rookie is truly unknown you had your whole offensive line intact.
Jerricho Cotchery was also out which is why we signed Burress. If you're gonna talk injuries at least be right about it. Brown is the best receiver on the team. Gilbert is our best right tackle. Worilds has played well behind Woodley all year so that's a wash. Oh and Ben being out is a pretty substantial injury. It's not just a "only these two were out" kind of injuries. Either way a win is a win and not once have I cried about anything post game. Injuries are a part of the game and the Steelers are decimated.
OK if injuries are the reason you lost....then you must acknowledge that without the injuries the Browns suffered (and the Joe Haden suspension) then the Browns could easily have won 3-4 more games this year.
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Gipper - Lamar Woodley was the ONLY player of the injured that played in the Browns game and he came up lame on his own. All the others were injured before Browns week. I don't understand it sometimes. It's like you read most posts and go on auto pilot not actually piecing things together on your own. I also gave credit where credit was due IMMEDIATELY the day of that game. However when I show up here and have to read (Yes by choice, i could just as easily leave so "hate" away) that the Browns really "STUCK IT TO THE STEELERS" it made me want to vomit. Sure, hang your hat on that win but I don't believe a single player in the Browns locker room did. The Browns should have hung 40 on the Steelers and they couldn't. They won by 6 with 8 turnovers.....a putrid game by both teams offensively. Defensively was more Batch and the running backs than it was the Browns D. Sorry but anyone with a brain knows that's the truth.
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Gipper - Lamar Woodley was the ONLY player of the injured that played in the Browns game and he came up lame on his own. All the others were injured before Browns week. I don't understand it sometimes. It's like you read most posts and go on auto pilot not actually piecing things together on your own. I also gave credit where credit was due IMMEDIATELY the day of that game. However when I show up here and have to read (Yes by choice, i could just as easily leave so "hate" away) that the Browns really "STUCK IT TO THE STEELERS" it made me want to vomit. Sure, hang your hat on that win but I don't believe a single player in the Browns locker room did. The Browns should have hung 40 on the Steelers and they couldn't. They won by 6 with 8 turnovers.....a putrid game by both teams offensively. Defensively was more Batch and the running backs than it was the Browns D. Sorry but anyone with a brain knows that's the truth.
won by 6 with 8 turnovers.....a putrid game by both teams offensively. Defensively was more Batch and the running backs than it was the Browns D. Sorry but anyone with a brain knows that's the truth.
yeah we won. our team vs. yours. one on one battles. we won. not our fault YOUR players were incompetent. was it your coaches fault? maybe. was in your defense's fault (not being able to stop such an inept offense as ours)? maybe. was it your team not being prepared or taking us too lightly? maybe.
all i know is cleveland beat the steelers. end of story.
just cuz they bounced back yesterday and played a good game doesn't mean you can give them a pass for playing like shit the week before.
you should get used to the feeling of losing. next year the stoolers and ravens will be getting the shitty end of the stick at the bottom of the AFCN which is a prelude for the division for the next deacade or two.
ha ha!!
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