Zimmerman's Head
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>>So in one thread all blacks vote for Obama because he's black. In this thread Obama has to say "inflammatory" things about the Martin case in order to get backs to vote for him. Neither are true.>>
I never said what you said I said.
This is what I said: "What did this do????????????? It sent the likes of Jackson and Sharpton to FL and inflamed the NBP.
There is no question in my mind that Obama's comments were intended to create a wave of news that might just fan the flames of his reelection campaign>>.
It is clear that Obama's supporters come from the ranks of the progressives, liberals and - especially - women. Do you not believe that folks falling into these categories didn't jump right on the 'he was killed simply because he was black' bandwagon.
It is YOU, my friend, who - apparently - Blacks vote for Obama only because he is Black, or part thereof.
Oh not at all heck is a mind reader. He'll put words in your mouth and then badger you to the death about them. That's how he thinks he 'wins' arguements. And anyway he's talking about me. I said black people voted for Obama because hes black and I still stand by that assertion. Trouble is, he's putting words in my mouth again. I never said "all" black people did. Just "black people" that could be two or two million.
Oh not at all heck is a mind reader. He'll put words in your mouth and then badger you to the death about them. That's how he thinks he 'wins' arguements. And anyway he's talking about me. I said black people voted for Obama because hes black and I still stand by that assertion. Trouble is, he's putting words in my mouth again. I never said "all" black people did. Just "black people" that could be two or two million.
Well, let's go to the tape. See, this is my problem with what you're doing. You type things that clearly mean one thing, and then pretend you never typed it. You make one case, and then when you get called on it you say you didn't make that case, but made another. You did it in the other thread, and now you're doing it here. And that I'm putting words in your mouth. Well, let's look at the words that came out of your mouth.
You never said all black people, huh? Just that "black people" did, and that could be two or two million? Hmm. I seem to remember you saying this:
"nearly every black person that voted DID vote for Obama, ONLY because hes black. I'm not being sarcastic, I really believe that is the truth."
And this: " I have my theory and you have yours. If mine assumes every black votes solely on the basis if race. Yours assumes they only vote solely on loyalty to a single party affiliation.
And this: "There's never been an election where black people had the option to vote for a realistic black president. Ever. To deny that they voted for someone they view as like and for them is ridiculous. Laughable. Put yourself in their shoes. Of course they did. Of course."
And this: "if you think the blacks didn't vote for barack Obama because he was black you're fucking stupid."
And this: "If you think any black people were going to miss a realistic chance to get one of thier own into the white house regardless of party affiliation, I assert you couldn't be more wrong."
Certainly sounds like you're saying "nearly every black person that voted DID vote for Obama, ONLY because hes black." In fact, it doesn't sound like you said that, you did say that.
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Oh not at all heck is a mind reader. He'll put words in your mouth and then badger you to the death about them. That's how he thinks he 'wins' arguements. And anyway he's talking about me. I said black people voted for Obama because hes black and I still stand by that assertion. Trouble is, he's putting words in my mouth again. I never said "all" black people did. Just "black people" that could be two or two million.
Well, let's go to the tape. See, this is my problem with what you're doing. You type things that clearly mean one thing, and then pretend you never typed it. You make one case, and then when you get called on it you say you didn't make that case, but made another. You did it in the other thread, and now you're doing it here. And that I'm putting words in your mouth. Well, let's look at the words that came out of your mouth.
You never said all black people, huh? Just that "black people" did, and that could be two or two million? Hmm. I seem to remember you saying this:
"nearly every black person that voted DID vote for Obama, ONLY because hes black. I'm not being sarcastic, I really believe that is the truth."
And this: " I have my theory and you have yours. If mine assumes every black votes solely on the basis if race. Yours assumes they only vote solely on loyalty to a single party affiliation.
And this: "There's never been an election where black people had the option to vote for a realistic black president. Ever. To deny that they voted for someone they view as like and for them is ridiculous. Laughable. Put yourself in their shoes. Of course they did. Of course."
And this: "if you think the blacks didn't vote for barack Obama because he was black you're fucking stupid."
And this: "If you think any black people were going to miss a realistic chance to get one of thier own into the white house regardless of party affiliation, I assert you couldn't be more wrong."
Certainly sounds like you're saying "nearly every black person that voted DID vote for Obama, ONLY because hes black." In fact, it doesn't sound like you said that, you did say that.
Well, let's go to the tape. See, this is my problem with what you're doing. You type things that clearly mean one thing, and then pretend you never typed it. You make one case, and then when you get called on it you say you didn't make that case, but made another. You did it in the other thread, and now you're doing it here. And that I'm putting words in your mouth. Well, let's look at the words that came out of your mouth.
You never said all black people, huh? Just that "black people" did, and that could be two or two million? Hmm. I seem to remember you saying this:
"nearly every black person that voted DID vote for Obama, ONLY because hes black. I'm not being sarcastic, I really believe that is the truth."
And this: " I have my theory and you have yours. If mine assumes every black votes solely on the basis if race. Yours assumes they only vote solely on loyalty to a single party affiliation.
And this: "There's never been an election where black people had the option to vote for a realistic black president. Ever. To deny that they voted for someone they view as like and for them is ridiculous. Laughable. Put yourself in their shoes. Of course they did. Of course."
And this: "if you think the blacks didn't vote for barack Obama because he was black you're fucking stupid."
And this: "If you think any black people were going to miss a realistic chance to get one of thier own into the white house regardless of party affiliation, I assert you couldn't be more wrong."
Certainly sounds like you're saying "nearly every black person that voted DID vote for Obama, ONLY because hes black." In fact, it doesn't sound like you said that, you did say that.
I said I said it, so it really doesn't matter. If you take those statements without the context of whatever bullshit you were spewing you're only getting one half of the story. You, for your part, denied any black people voted for him because hes black which is laughably ridiculous.
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This is really getting boring, correcting your attempts at digs, your misinformation.
I didn't deny that Obama's race was a factor that improved black votes and black turnout. No one would. If you think I did, go back and paste where I deny that race played a role. You were making the case that it was the only factor for nearly every single black voter, which is ridiculous.
On the contrary, I stated in multiple posts that obviously Obama's race helped him with the black vote. My point was that saying that it's the only reason "almost every" black person votes for Obama is ridiculous and not supported by the evidence. And it's still ridiculous.
You know all of this stuff is being recorded, right? Like, here's me: "The evidence shows that blacks vote overwhelmingly Democratic, and that Obama's race helped add to those totals."
You throw a lot of punches and land almost none.
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This is really getting boring, correcting your attempts at digs, your misinformation.
I didn't deny that Obama's race was a factor that improved black votes and black turnout. No one would. If you think I did, go back and paste where I deny that race played a role. You were making the case that it was the only factor for nearly every single black voter, which is ridiculous.
On the contrary, I stated in multiple posts that obviously Obama's race helped him with the black vote. My point was that saying that it's the only reason "almost every" black person votes for Obama is ridiculous and not supported by the evidence. And it's still ridiculous.
You know all of this stuff is being recorded, right? Like, here's me: "The evidence shows that blacks vote overwhelmingly Democratic, and that Obama's race helped add to those totals."
You throw a lot of punches and land almost none.
This is really getting boring, correcting your attempts at digs, your misinformation.
I didn't deny that Obama's race was a factor that improved black votes and black turnout. No one would. If you think I did, go back and paste where I deny that race played a role. You were making the case that it was the only factor for nearly every single black voter, which is ridiculous.
On the contrary, I stated in multiple posts that obviously Obama's race helped him with the black vote. My point was that saying that it's the only reason "almost every" black person votes for Obama is ridiculous and not supported by the evidence. And it's still ridiculous.
You know all of this stuff is being recorded, right? Like, here's me: "The evidence shows that blacks vote overwhelmingly Democratic, and that Obama's race helped add to those totals."
You throw a lot of punches and land almost none.
Im just playing your game. If you don't like it stop playing.
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I'm happy to let you go. Believe me.
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So where have these bloody pictures been?
WSS
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So Heck starts a thead to defend Obamao's big mouth in another controversy,
and again, without all the evidence in.... it bounces back into him, as usual, like
a superball thrown against a conrete wall.
But libs don't admit to be embarrassed by their mistakes.
That would be counter to their cya emotions about belonging to the anti-status quo party.
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I don't take offense at Obama's remarks. Oh he might better have remained silent but I think what he said was fine.
It sucks the kid is dead, whether he's a saint or a thug.
I do find fault with the Jacksons and Sharptons and NBP and Obama for not calling these grandstanding assholes out.
I'm puzzled by the murder 2 if the prosecution had the photos.
Incompetent at best since he'll likely walk.
Then we can expect riots.
WSS
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Really feel bad for the families of Zimmerman and Martin as they did not ask for this kind of attention. If you stop and look at the families involved.
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So where have these bloody pictures been?
WSS
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Defense released this today:
That's going to help his case imo. I still think he was way in the wrong to provoke a fight with the kid, but I'm not sure he's guilty of any crime.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Kid was a punk, attacked him and was killed. Stupid all the way around, but it ended the way it ended. He should walk on this.
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Kid was a punk, attacked him and was killed. Stupid all the way around, but it ended the way it ended. He should walk on this.
Kid was a punk, attacked him and was killed. Stupid all the way around, but it ended the way it ended. He should walk on this.
The kid was a punk huh? I'd love to see you say that to this dead kids fathers face. What if this had happened to your son?
Zimmerman stalked and engaged this 17 year old kid ya fuckin idiot, and got his ass kicked and murdered him.
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Kid was a punk, attacked him and was killed. Stupid all the way around, but it ended the way it ended. He should walk on this.
The kid was a punk huh? I'd love to see you say that to this dead kids fathers face. What if this had happened to your son?
Zimmerman stalked and engaged this 17 year old kid ya fuckin idiot, and got his ass kicked and murdered him.
The kid was a punk huh? I'd love to see you say that to this dead kids fathers face. What if this had happened to your son?
Zimmerman stalked and engaged this 17 year old kid ya fuckin idiot, and got his ass kicked and murdered him.
Oh bullshit. The kid was a known thug. He harrassed and was beating this guys head on the ground. You're about a stupid SOB.
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Yeah stupid he wore a hoodie. Only thugs wear hoodies.
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Yeah stupid he wore a hoodie. Only thugs wear hoodies.
The stupidity was to attack Zimmerman.
WSS
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I'm really not looking for this whole argument to play out again....
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Defense released this today:
That's going to help his case imo. I still think he was way in the wrong to provoke a fight with the kid, but I'm not sure he's guilty of any crime.
That's going to help his case imo. I still think he was way in the wrong to provoke a fight with the kid, but I'm not sure he's guilty of any crime.
Agreed. Hard to say on the outcome, but this kind of removes the coat of "vigilante" that Zimmerman was immediately painted with.
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I'm really not looking for this whole argument to play out again....
Yeah? Then why did you...
Ah nevermind.
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I think Zimmerman will walk, and as Steve said, ...riots ...
but, as a CCW license guy... there's still stuff wrong with this whole situation.
Why didn't the kid call 911 instead of his girlfriend, when Zimmerman was following him?
Why didn't Zimmerman, since he accepted a role as, "following watcher"..... carry pepper spray?
I think it's 1.5 seconds for someone to get to you from 21' away, hence the 21' distance on the range competency/accuracy test
for the CCW license.
I carry both. The gun is ONLY for someone who intends to very seriously and violently/criically injure or murder you, or another person.
Somebody just assaults you, unarmed, the gun has no role to play. Unless he discovers it in the struggle, and tries to take it from you.
Hence, the pepper spray. A bear spray canister is more affective in some close quarters with a bear.
If Zimmerman had pepper sprayed his attacker...
Zimmerman could have saved himself the only recourse of using his gun to save himself serious life-threatening trauma.
And why did he attack Zimmerman in the first place? Why didn't he just go ahead and disappear and be done with it?
I think it's because he was casing houses, and didn't want to be found out.
BTW, our Castle Law designates a camping tent, a camper, and a car - equal to your being at home, in your house, and someone
breaks in.
Which leads to another question, why was Zimmerman ever out of his car/truck in the first place?
It's a mess..
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