Lombardi-Saban Rumor Heating Up...
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I have bolded his "good" moves.
1999 to 2007 – Oakland Raiders: Hired by owner Al Davis to become Senior Personnel Executive working closely with the owner on all football matters. Liaison with head coach and owner; responsible for pro and college player evaluations; and handled veteran contracts.
2007
1 1 1 1 JaMarcus Russell QB Louisiana State
2 2 6 38 Zach Miller TE Arizona State
3 3 1 65 Quentin Moses DE Georgia
4 3 28 91 Mario Henderson T Florida State
5 3 36 99 Johnnie Lee Higgins WR Texas-El Paso
6 4 1 100 Michael Bush RB Louisville
7 4 11 110 John Bowie DB Cincinnati
8 5 1 138 Jay Richardson DE Ohio State
9 5 28 165 Eric Frampton DB Washington State
10 6 1 175 Oren O'Neal RB Arkansas State
11 7 44 254 Johnathan Holland WR Louisiana Tech
2006
1 1 7 7 Michael Huff DB Texas
2 2 6 38 Thomas Howard LB Texas-El Paso
3 3 5 69 Paul McQuistan G Weber State
4 4 4 101 Darnell Bing DB USC
5 6 7 176 Kevin Boothe T Cornell
6 7 6 214 Chris Morris C Michigan State
7 7 47 255 Kevin McMahan WR Maine
2005
1 1 23 23 Fabian Washington DB Nebraska
2 2 6 38 Stanford Routt DB Houston
3 3 5 69 Andrew Walter QB Arizona State
4 3 14 78 Kirk Morrison LB San Diego State
5 6 1 175 Anttaj Hawthorne DT Wisconsin
6 6 38 212 Ryan Riddle DE California
7 6 40 214 Pete McMahon T Iowa
2004
1 1 2 2 Robert Gallery T Iowa
2 2 13 45 Jake Grove C Virginia Tech
3 3 4 67 Stuart Schweigert DB Purdue
4 4 3 99 Carlos Francis WR Texas Tech
5 5 2 134 Johnnie Morant WR Syracuse
6 6 1 166 Shawn Johnson DE Delaware
7 6 17 182 Cody Spencer LB North Texas
8 7 44 245 Courtney Anderson TE San Jose State
9 7 54 255 Andre Sommersell LB Colorado State
2003
1 1 31 31 Nnamdi Asomugha DB California
2 1 32 32 Tyler Brayton DE Colorado
3 2 31 63 Teyo Johnson WR Stanford
4 3 19 83 Sam Williams LB Fresno State
5 3 32 96 Justin Fargas RB USC
6 4 32 129 Shurron Pierson DE South Florida
7 5 32 167 Doug Gabriel WR Central Florida
8 6 31 204 Dustin Rykert T Brigham Young
9 7 32 246 Siddeeq Shabazz DB New Mexico State
10 7 48 262 Ryan Hoag WR Gustavus Adolphus
2002
1 1 17 17 Phillip Buchanon DB Miami (FL)
2 1 23 23 Napoleon Harris LB Northwestern
3 2 21 53 Langston Walker T California
4 2 23 55 Doug Jolley TE Brigham Young
5 5 12 147 Kenyon Coleman DE UCLA
6 6 17 189 Keyon Nash DB Albany State
7 6 25 197 Larry Ned RB San Diego State
8 7 24 235 Ronald Curry QB North Carolina
2001
1 1 28 28 Derrick Gibson DB Florida State
2 2 28 59 Marques Tuiasosopo QB Washington
3 3 27 89 DeLawrence Grant DE Oregon State
4 5 27 158 Raymond Perryman DB Northern Arizona
5 6 21 184 Chris Cooper DE Nebraska-Omaha
6 7 28 228 Derek Combs RB Ohio State
7 7 29 229 Ken-Yon Rambo WR Ohio State
2000
1 1 17 17 Sebastian Janikowski K Florida State
2 2 16 47 Jerry Porter WR West Virginia
3 4 13 107 Junior Ioane DT Arizona State
4 5 13 142 Shane Lechler P Texas A&M
5 7 21 227 Mondriel Fulcher RB Miami (FL)
6 7 25 231 Clifton Black DB Southwest Texas State
1999
1 1 18 18 Matt Stinchcomb T Georgia
2 2 9 40 Tony Bryant DE Florida State
3 4 7 102 Dameane Douglas WR California
4 5 13 146 Eric Barton LB Maryland
5 5 20 153 Roderick Coleman DE East Carolina
6 6 19 188 Daren Yancey DT Brigham Young
7 7 18 224 JoJuan Armour LB Miami (OH)
raiders 99-07
1998 – Philadelphia Eagles: Promoted to Director of Pro Personnel after serving as a consultant to team owner Jeffrey Lurie in 1997. Managed the professional personnel department and advised owner and chief financial officer on all player contracts and salary cap issues.
1998
1 1 11 11 Tra Thomas T Florida State
2 3 11 72 Jeremiah Trotter LB Stephen F. Austin
3 3 24 85 Allen Rossum DB Notre Dame
4 4 20 112 Brandon Whiting DT California
5 4 24 116 Clarence Love DB Toledo
6 5 19 142 Ike Reese LB Michigan State
7 7 31 220 Chris Akins DT Texas
8 7 51 240 Melvin Thomas G Colorado
eagles1998
1996 – St. Louis Rams: Prepared advisory reports for ownership during head coach search.
Did not participate in the draft, per wiki.
1987 to 1996 – Cleveland Browns: Joined team as Pro Personnel Director in 1987. Promoted to Director of Player Personnel in 1992 where he worked under head coach Bill Belichick and was responsible for all college and pro personnel decisions; managed salary cap and player personnel issues; oversaw staff of 13 college and pro scouts; handled all player contracts and advised head coach on all football matters.
1995
1 1 30 30 Craig Powell LB Ohio State
2 3 20 84 Eric Zeier QB Georgia
3 3 30 94 Mike Frederick DE Virginia
4 5 2 136 Tau Pupua DT Weber State
5 5 13 147 Mike Miller WR Notre Dame
6 7 23 231 A.C. Tellison WR Miami (FL)
1994
1 1 9 9 Antonio Langham DB Alabama
2 1 29 29 Derrick Alexander WR Michigan
3 3 10 75 Romeo Bandison DT Oregon
4 5 10 141 Isaac Booth DB California
5 6 10 171 Robert Strait RB Baylor
6 7 9 203 Andre Hewitt T Clemson
1993
1 1 14 14 Steve Everitt C Michigan
2 2 13 42 Dan Footman DE Florida State
3 3 27 83 Mike Caldwell LB Middle Tennessee State
4 5 12 124 Herman Arvie T Grambling State
5 6 13 153 Rich McKenzie LB Penn State
6 7 12 180 Travis Hill LB Nebraska
1992
1 1 9 9 Tommy Vardell RB Stanford
2 2 24 52 Patrick Rowe WR San Diego State
3 3 9 65 Bill Johnson DT Michigan State
4 3 22 78 Gerald Dixon LB South Carolina
5 6 3 143 Rico Smith WR Colorado
6 6 23 163 George Williams DT Notre Dame
7 7 9 177 Selwyn Jones DB Colorado State
8 9 9 233 Tim Hill DB Kansas
9 10 8 260 Marcus Lowe DT Baylor
10 11 9 289 Augustin Olobia WR Washington State
11 12 8 316 Keithen McCant QB Nebraska
12 12 21 329 Tim Simpson C Illinois
1991
1 1 2 2 Eric Turner DB UCLA
2 2 2 29 Ed King G Auburn
3 3 2 57 James Jones DT Northern Iowa
4 4 2 85 Pio Sagapulutele DT San Diego State
5 6 2 141 Michael Jackson WR Southern Mississippi
6 8 2 197 Frank Conover DT Syracuse
7 9 2 225 Raymond Irvin DB Central Florida
8 9 16 239 Shawn Wiggins WR Wyoming
9 10 2 252 Brian Greenfield P Pittsburgh
10 11 2 280 Todd Jones G Henderson State
11 12 2 308 Elijah Austin DT North Carolina State
1990
1 2 20 45 Leroy Hoard RB Michigan
2 3 20 73 Anthony Pleasant DE Tennessee State
3 4 20 101 Harlon Barnett DB Michigan State
4 5 20 129 Rob Burnett DE Syracuse
5 6 20 157 Randy Hilliard DB Northwestern State (LA)
6 7 13 178 Scott Galbraith TE USC
7 8 19 212 Jock Jones LB Virginia Tech
8 9 20 240 Eugene Rowell WR Southern Mississippi
9 10 20 268 Mike Wallace DB Jackson State
10 11 20 296 Clemente Gordon QB Grambling State
11 12 19 323 Kerry Simien WR Texas A&I
1989
1 1 13 13 Eric Metcalf RB Texas
2 2 3 31 Lawyer Tillman WR Auburn
3 4 23 107 Andrew Stewart DE Cincinnati
4 5 2 114 Kyle Kramer DB Bowling Green
5 5 4 116 Vernon Joines WR Maryland
6 6 21 160 Gary Wilkerson DB Penn State
7 7 20 187 Mike Graybill T Boston University
8 8 19 214 Rick Aeilts TE Southeast Missouri State
9 10 23 274 John Buddenberg T Akron
10 11 22 301 Dan Plocki K Maryland
11 12 21 328 Marlon Brown LB Memphis State
1988
1 1 21 21 Clifford Charlton LB Florida
2 2 23 50 Michael Dean Perry DT Clemson
3 3 22 77 Van Waiters LB Indiana
4 4 21 103 Anthony Blaylock DB Winston-Salem State
5 7 23 188 Thane Gash DB East Tennessee State
6 8 23 216 J.J. Birden WR Oregon
7 9 23 244 Danny Copeland DB Eastern Kentucky
8 10 23 272 Brian Washington DB Nebraska
9 11 23 300 Hendley Hawkins WR Nebraska
10 12 23 328 Steve Slayden QB Duke
1987
1 1 5 5 Mike Junkin LB Duke
2 2 4 32 Gregg Rakoczy C Miami (FL)
3 3 24 80 Tim Manoa RB Penn State
4 3 26 82 Jeff Jaeger K Washington
5 6 25 165 Stephen Braggs DB Texas
6 8 25 220 Steve Bullitt LB Texas A&M
7 10 25 276 Frank Winters C Western Illinois
8 11 24 303 Larry Brewton DB Temple
Browns 87-95
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Asomugah, Turner, and Metcalf in how many years? Gallery was drafted to be a stud LT, blew dead worms at the position, had to be moved to guard. Janikowski was a monumental reach in the first round. & like I said, Lombardi could just have been Al Davis' coffee fetcher, while senile Al made the picks.
ONE guy with HOF credentials (Namdi) in 19 seasons? No thank you.
How many monumental busts?
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I have bolded his "good" moves.
1999 to 2007 – Oakland Raiders: Hired by owner Al Davis to become Senior Personnel Executive working closely with the owner on all football matters. Liaison with head coach and owner; responsible for pro and college player evaluations; and handled veteran contracts.
2007
1 1 1 1 JaMarcus Russell QB Louisiana State
2 2 6 38 Zach Miller TE Arizona State
3 3 1 65 Quentin Moses DE Georgia
4 3 28 91 Mario Henderson T Florida State
5 3 36 99 Johnnie Lee Higgins WR Texas-El Paso
6 4 1 100 Michael Bush RB Louisville
7 4 11 110 John Bowie DB Cincinnati
8 5 1 138 Jay Richardson DE Ohio State
9 5 28 165 Eric Frampton DB Washington State
10 6 1 175 Oren O'Neal RB Arkansas State
11 7 44 254 Johnathan Holland WR Louisiana Tech
2006
1 1 7 7 Michael Huff DB Texas
2 2 6 38 Thomas Howard LB Texas-El Paso
3 3 5 69 Paul McQuistan G Weber State
4 4 4 101 Darnell Bing DB USC
5 6 7 176 Kevin Boothe T Cornell
6 7 6 214 Chris Morris C Michigan State
7 7 47 255 Kevin McMahan WR Maine
2005
1 1 23 23 Fabian Washington DB Nebraska
2 2 6 38 Stanford Routt DB Houston
3 3 5 69 Andrew Walter QB Arizona State
4 3 14 78 Kirk Morrison LB San Diego State
5 6 1 175 Anttaj Hawthorne DT Wisconsin
6 6 38 212 Ryan Riddle DE California
7 6 40 214 Pete McMahon T Iowa
2004
1 1 2 2 Robert Gallery T Iowa
2 2 13 45 Jake Grove C Virginia Tech
3 3 4 67 Stuart Schweigert DB Purdue
4 4 3 99 Carlos Francis WR Texas Tech
5 5 2 134 Johnnie Morant WR Syracuse
6 6 1 166 Shawn Johnson DE Delaware
7 6 17 182 Cody Spencer LB North Texas
8 7 44 245 Courtney Anderson TE San Jose State
9 7 54 255 Andre Sommersell LB Colorado State
2003
1 1 31 31 Nnamdi Asomugha DB California
2 1 32 32 Tyler Brayton DE Colorado
3 2 31 63 Teyo Johnson WR Stanford
4 3 19 83 Sam Williams LB Fresno State
5 3 32 96 Justin Fargas RB USC
6 4 32 129 Shurron Pierson DE South Florida
7 5 32 167 Doug Gabriel WR Central Florida
8 6 31 204 Dustin Rykert T Brigham Young
9 7 32 246 Siddeeq Shabazz DB New Mexico State
10 7 48 262 Ryan Hoag WR Gustavus Adolphus
2002
1 1 17 17 Phillip Buchanon DB Miami (FL)
2 1 23 23 Napoleon Harris LB Northwestern
3 2 21 53 Langston Walker T California
4 2 23 55 Doug Jolley TE Brigham Young
5 5 12 147 Kenyon Coleman DE UCLA
6 6 17 189 Keyon Nash DB Albany State
7 6 25 197 Larry Ned RB San Diego State
8 7 24 235 Ronald Curry QB North Carolina
2001
1 1 28 28 Derrick Gibson DB Florida State
2 2 28 59 Marques Tuiasosopo QB Washington
3 3 27 89 DeLawrence Grant DE Oregon State
4 5 27 158 Raymond Perryman DB Northern Arizona
5 6 21 184 Chris Cooper DE Nebraska-Omaha
6 7 28 228 Derek Combs RB Ohio State
7 7 29 229 Ken-Yon Rambo WR Ohio State
2000
1 1 17 17 Sebastian Janikowski K Florida State
2 2 16 47 Jerry Porter WR West Virginia
3 4 13 107 Junior Ioane DT Arizona State
4 5 13 142 Shane Lechler P Texas A&M
5 7 21 227 Mondriel Fulcher RB Miami (FL)
6 7 25 231 Clifton Black DB Southwest Texas State
1999
1 1 18 18 Matt Stinchcomb T Georgia
2 2 9 40 Tony Bryant DE Florida State
3 4 7 102 Dameane Douglas WR California
4 5 13 146 Eric Barton LB Maryland
5 5 20 153 Roderick Coleman DE East Carolina
6 6 19 188 Daren Yancey DT Brigham Young
7 7 18 224 JoJuan Armour LB Miami (OH)
raiders 99-07
1998 – Philadelphia Eagles: Promoted to Director of Pro Personnel after serving as a consultant to team owner Jeffrey Lurie in 1997. Managed the professional personnel department and advised owner and chief financial officer on all player contracts and salary cap issues.
1998
1 1 11 11 Tra Thomas T Florida State
2 3 11 72 Jeremiah Trotter LB Stephen F. Austin
3 3 24 85 Allen Rossum DB Notre Dame
4 4 20 112 Brandon Whiting DT California
5 4 24 116 Clarence Love DB Toledo
6 5 19 142 Ike Reese LB Michigan State
7 7 31 220 Chris Akins DT Texas
8 7 51 240 Melvin Thomas G Colorado
eagles1998
1996 – St. Louis Rams: Prepared advisory reports for ownership during head coach search.
Did not participate in the draft, per wiki.
1987 to 1996 – Cleveland Browns: Joined team as Pro Personnel Director in 1987. Promoted to Director of Player Personnel in 1992 where he worked under head coach Bill Belichick and was responsible for all college and pro personnel decisions; managed salary cap and player personnel issues; oversaw staff of 13 college and pro scouts; handled all player contracts and advised head coach on all football matters.
1995
1 1 30 30 Craig Powell LB Ohio State
2 3 20 84 Eric Zeier QB Georgia
3 3 30 94 Mike Frederick DE Virginia
4 5 2 136 Tau Pupua DT Weber State
5 5 13 147 Mike Miller WR Notre Dame
6 7 23 231 A.C. Tellison WR Miami (FL)
1994
1 1 9 9 Antonio Langham DB Alabama
2 1 29 29 Derrick Alexander WR Michigan
3 3 10 75 Romeo Bandison DT Oregon
4 5 10 141 Isaac Booth DB California
5 6 10 171 Robert Strait RB Baylor
6 7 9 203 Andre Hewitt T Clemson
1993
1 1 14 14 Steve Everitt C Michigan
2 2 13 42 Dan Footman DE Florida State
3 3 27 83 Mike Caldwell LB Middle Tennessee State
4 5 12 124 Herman Arvie T Grambling State
5 6 13 153 Rich McKenzie LB Penn State
6 7 12 180 Travis Hill LB Nebraska
1992
1 1 9 9 Tommy Vardell RB Stanford
2 2 24 52 Patrick Rowe WR San Diego State
3 3 9 65 Bill Johnson DT Michigan State
4 3 22 78 Gerald Dixon LB South Carolina
5 6 3 143 Rico Smith WR Colorado
6 6 23 163 George Williams DT Notre Dame
7 7 9 177 Selwyn Jones DB Colorado State
8 9 9 233 Tim Hill DB Kansas
9 10 8 260 Marcus Lowe DT Baylor
10 11 9 289 Augustin Olobia WR Washington State
11 12 8 316 Keithen McCant QB Nebraska
12 12 21 329 Tim Simpson C Illinois
1991
1 1 2 2 Eric Turner DB UCLA
2 2 2 29 Ed King G Auburn
3 3 2 57 James Jones DT Northern Iowa
4 4 2 85 Pio Sagapulutele DT San Diego State
5 6 2 141 Michael Jackson WR Southern Mississippi
6 8 2 197 Frank Conover DT Syracuse
7 9 2 225 Raymond Irvin DB Central Florida
8 9 16 239 Shawn Wiggins WR Wyoming
9 10 2 252 Brian Greenfield P Pittsburgh
10 11 2 280 Todd Jones G Henderson State
11 12 2 308 Elijah Austin DT North Carolina State
1990
1 2 20 45 Leroy Hoard RB Michigan
2 3 20 73 Anthony Pleasant DE Tennessee State
3 4 20 101 Harlon Barnett DB Michigan State
4 5 20 129 Rob Burnett DE Syracuse
5 6 20 157 Randy Hilliard DB Northwestern State (LA)
6 7 13 178 Scott Galbraith TE USC
7 8 19 212 Jock Jones LB Virginia Tech
8 9 20 240 Eugene Rowell WR Southern Mississippi
9 10 20 268 Mike Wallace DB Jackson State
10 11 20 296 Clemente Gordon QB Grambling State
11 12 19 323 Kerry Simien WR Texas A&I
1989
1 1 13 13 Eric Metcalf RB Texas
2 2 3 31 Lawyer Tillman WR Auburn
3 4 23 107 Andrew Stewart DE Cincinnati
4 5 2 114 Kyle Kramer DB Bowling Green
5 5 4 116 Vernon Joines WR Maryland
6 6 21 160 Gary Wilkerson DB Penn State
7 7 20 187 Mike Graybill T Boston University
8 8 19 214 Rick Aeilts TE Southeast Missouri State
9 10 23 274 John Buddenberg T Akron
10 11 22 301 Dan Plocki K Maryland
11 12 21 328 Marlon Brown LB Memphis State
1988
1 1 21 21 Clifford Charlton LB Florida
2 2 23 50 Michael Dean Perry DT Clemson
3 3 22 77 Van Waiters LB Indiana
4 4 21 103 Anthony Blaylock DB Winston-Salem State
5 7 23 188 Thane Gash DB East Tennessee State
6 8 23 216 J.J. Birden WR Oregon
7 9 23 244 Danny Copeland DB Eastern Kentucky
8 10 23 272 Brian Washington DB Nebraska
9 11 23 300 Hendley Hawkins WR Nebraska
10 12 23 328 Steve Slayden QB Duke
1987
1 1 5 5 Mike Junkin LB Duke
2 2 4 32 Gregg Rakoczy C Miami (FL)
3 3 24 80 Tim Manoa RB Penn State
4 3 26 82 Jeff Jaeger K Washington
5 6 25 165 Stephen Braggs DB Texas
6 8 25 220 Steve Bullitt LB Texas A&M
7 10 25 276 Frank Winters C Western Illinois
8 11 24 303 Larry Brewton DB Temple
Browns 87-95
I have bolded his "good" moves.
1999 to 2007 – Oakland Raiders: Hired by owner Al Davis to become Senior Personnel Executive working closely with the owner on all football matters. Liaison with head coach and owner; responsible for pro and college player evaluations; and handled veteran contracts.
2007
1 1 1 1 JaMarcus Russell QB Louisiana State
2 2 6 38 Zach Miller TE Arizona State
3 3 1 65 Quentin Moses DE Georgia
4 3 28 91 Mario Henderson T Florida State
5 3 36 99 Johnnie Lee Higgins WR Texas-El Paso
6 4 1 100 Michael Bush RB Louisville
7 4 11 110 John Bowie DB Cincinnati
8 5 1 138 Jay Richardson DE Ohio State
9 5 28 165 Eric Frampton DB Washington State
10 6 1 175 Oren O'Neal RB Arkansas State
11 7 44 254 Johnathan Holland WR Louisiana Tech
2006
1 1 7 7 Michael Huff DB Texas
2 2 6 38 Thomas Howard LB Texas-El Paso
3 3 5 69 Paul McQuistan G Weber State
4 4 4 101 Darnell Bing DB USC
5 6 7 176 Kevin Boothe T Cornell
6 7 6 214 Chris Morris C Michigan State
7 7 47 255 Kevin McMahan WR Maine
2005
1 1 23 23 Fabian Washington DB Nebraska
2 2 6 38 Stanford Routt DB Houston
3 3 5 69 Andrew Walter QB Arizona State
4 3 14 78 Kirk Morrison LB San Diego State
5 6 1 175 Anttaj Hawthorne DT Wisconsin
6 6 38 212 Ryan Riddle DE California
7 6 40 214 Pete McMahon T Iowa
2004
1 1 2 2 Robert Gallery T Iowa
2 2 13 45 Jake Grove C Virginia Tech
3 3 4 67 Stuart Schweigert DB Purdue
4 4 3 99 Carlos Francis WR Texas Tech
5 5 2 134 Johnnie Morant WR Syracuse
6 6 1 166 Shawn Johnson DE Delaware
7 6 17 182 Cody Spencer LB North Texas
8 7 44 245 Courtney Anderson TE San Jose State
9 7 54 255 Andre Sommersell LB Colorado State
2003
1 1 31 31 Nnamdi Asomugha DB California
2 1 32 32 Tyler Brayton DE Colorado
3 2 31 63 Teyo Johnson WR Stanford
4 3 19 83 Sam Williams LB Fresno State
5 3 32 96 Justin Fargas RB USC
6 4 32 129 Shurron Pierson DE South Florida
7 5 32 167 Doug Gabriel WR Central Florida
8 6 31 204 Dustin Rykert T Brigham Young
9 7 32 246 Siddeeq Shabazz DB New Mexico State
10 7 48 262 Ryan Hoag WR Gustavus Adolphus
2002
1 1 17 17 Phillip Buchanon DB Miami (FL)
2 1 23 23 Napoleon Harris LB Northwestern
3 2 21 53 Langston Walker T California
4 2 23 55 Doug Jolley TE Brigham Young
5 5 12 147 Kenyon Coleman DE UCLA
6 6 17 189 Keyon Nash DB Albany State
7 6 25 197 Larry Ned RB San Diego State
8 7 24 235 Ronald Curry QB North Carolina
2001
1 1 28 28 Derrick Gibson DB Florida State
2 2 28 59 Marques Tuiasosopo QB Washington
3 3 27 89 DeLawrence Grant DE Oregon State
4 5 27 158 Raymond Perryman DB Northern Arizona
5 6 21 184 Chris Cooper DE Nebraska-Omaha
6 7 28 228 Derek Combs RB Ohio State
7 7 29 229 Ken-Yon Rambo WR Ohio State
2000
1 1 17 17 Sebastian Janikowski K Florida State
2 2 16 47 Jerry Porter WR West Virginia
3 4 13 107 Junior Ioane DT Arizona State
4 5 13 142 Shane Lechler P Texas A&M
5 7 21 227 Mondriel Fulcher RB Miami (FL)
6 7 25 231 Clifton Black DB Southwest Texas State
1999
1 1 18 18 Matt Stinchcomb T Georgia
2 2 9 40 Tony Bryant DE Florida State
3 4 7 102 Dameane Douglas WR California
4 5 13 146 Eric Barton LB Maryland
5 5 20 153 Roderick Coleman DE East Carolina
6 6 19 188 Daren Yancey DT Brigham Young
7 7 18 224 JoJuan Armour LB Miami (OH)
raiders 99-07
1998 – Philadelphia Eagles: Promoted to Director of Pro Personnel after serving as a consultant to team owner Jeffrey Lurie in 1997. Managed the professional personnel department and advised owner and chief financial officer on all player contracts and salary cap issues.
1998
1 1 11 11 Tra Thomas T Florida State
2 3 11 72 Jeremiah Trotter LB Stephen F. Austin
3 3 24 85 Allen Rossum DB Notre Dame
4 4 20 112 Brandon Whiting DT California
5 4 24 116 Clarence Love DB Toledo
6 5 19 142 Ike Reese LB Michigan State
7 7 31 220 Chris Akins DT Texas
8 7 51 240 Melvin Thomas G Colorado
eagles1998
1996 – St. Louis Rams: Prepared advisory reports for ownership during head coach search.
Did not participate in the draft, per wiki.
1987 to 1996 – Cleveland Browns: Joined team as Pro Personnel Director in 1987. Promoted to Director of Player Personnel in 1992 where he worked under head coach Bill Belichick and was responsible for all college and pro personnel decisions; managed salary cap and player personnel issues; oversaw staff of 13 college and pro scouts; handled all player contracts and advised head coach on all football matters.
1995
1 1 30 30 Craig Powell LB Ohio State
2 3 20 84 Eric Zeier QB Georgia
3 3 30 94 Mike Frederick DE Virginia
4 5 2 136 Tau Pupua DT Weber State
5 5 13 147 Mike Miller WR Notre Dame
6 7 23 231 A.C. Tellison WR Miami (FL)
1994
1 1 9 9 Antonio Langham DB Alabama
2 1 29 29 Derrick Alexander WR Michigan
3 3 10 75 Romeo Bandison DT Oregon
4 5 10 141 Isaac Booth DB California
5 6 10 171 Robert Strait RB Baylor
6 7 9 203 Andre Hewitt T Clemson
1993
1 1 14 14 Steve Everitt C Michigan
2 2 13 42 Dan Footman DE Florida State
3 3 27 83 Mike Caldwell LB Middle Tennessee State
4 5 12 124 Herman Arvie T Grambling State
5 6 13 153 Rich McKenzie LB Penn State
6 7 12 180 Travis Hill LB Nebraska
1992
1 1 9 9 Tommy Vardell RB Stanford
2 2 24 52 Patrick Rowe WR San Diego State
3 3 9 65 Bill Johnson DT Michigan State
4 3 22 78 Gerald Dixon LB South Carolina
5 6 3 143 Rico Smith WR Colorado
6 6 23 163 George Williams DT Notre Dame
7 7 9 177 Selwyn Jones DB Colorado State
8 9 9 233 Tim Hill DB Kansas
9 10 8 260 Marcus Lowe DT Baylor
10 11 9 289 Augustin Olobia WR Washington State
11 12 8 316 Keithen McCant QB Nebraska
12 12 21 329 Tim Simpson C Illinois
1991
1 1 2 2 Eric Turner DB UCLA
2 2 2 29 Ed King G Auburn
3 3 2 57 James Jones DT Northern Iowa
4 4 2 85 Pio Sagapulutele DT San Diego State
5 6 2 141 Michael Jackson WR Southern Mississippi
6 8 2 197 Frank Conover DT Syracuse
7 9 2 225 Raymond Irvin DB Central Florida
8 9 16 239 Shawn Wiggins WR Wyoming
9 10 2 252 Brian Greenfield P Pittsburgh
10 11 2 280 Todd Jones G Henderson State
11 12 2 308 Elijah Austin DT North Carolina State
1990
1 2 20 45 Leroy Hoard RB Michigan
2 3 20 73 Anthony Pleasant DE Tennessee State
3 4 20 101 Harlon Barnett DB Michigan State
4 5 20 129 Rob Burnett DE Syracuse
5 6 20 157 Randy Hilliard DB Northwestern State (LA)
6 7 13 178 Scott Galbraith TE USC
7 8 19 212 Jock Jones LB Virginia Tech
8 9 20 240 Eugene Rowell WR Southern Mississippi
9 10 20 268 Mike Wallace DB Jackson State
10 11 20 296 Clemente Gordon QB Grambling State
11 12 19 323 Kerry Simien WR Texas A&I
1989
1 1 13 13 Eric Metcalf RB Texas
2 2 3 31 Lawyer Tillman WR Auburn
3 4 23 107 Andrew Stewart DE Cincinnati
4 5 2 114 Kyle Kramer DB Bowling Green
5 5 4 116 Vernon Joines WR Maryland
6 6 21 160 Gary Wilkerson DB Penn State
7 7 20 187 Mike Graybill T Boston University
8 8 19 214 Rick Aeilts TE Southeast Missouri State
9 10 23 274 John Buddenberg T Akron
10 11 22 301 Dan Plocki K Maryland
11 12 21 328 Marlon Brown LB Memphis State
1988
1 1 21 21 Clifford Charlton LB Florida
2 2 23 50 Michael Dean Perry DT Clemson
3 3 22 77 Van Waiters LB Indiana
4 4 21 103 Anthony Blaylock DB Winston-Salem State
5 7 23 188 Thane Gash DB East Tennessee State
6 8 23 216 J.J. Birden WR Oregon
7 9 23 244 Danny Copeland DB Eastern Kentucky
8 10 23 272 Brian Washington DB Nebraska
9 11 23 300 Hendley Hawkins WR Nebraska
10 12 23 328 Steve Slayden QB Duke
1987
1 1 5 5 Mike Junkin LB Duke
2 2 4 32 Gregg Rakoczy C Miami (FL)
3 3 24 80 Tim Manoa RB Penn State
4 3 26 82 Jeff Jaeger K Washington
5 6 25 165 Stephen Braggs DB Texas
6 8 25 220 Steve Bullitt LB Texas A&M
7 10 25 276 Frank Winters C Western Illinois
8 11 24 303 Larry Brewton DB Temple
Browns 87-95
Ummm. You have Robert Gallery in bold.
He was drafted second overall as a tackle and he became a mediocre guard that never made one pro bowl.
That's a bust at #2.
Zombo
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I have bolded his "good" moves.
1999 to 2007 – Oakland Raiders: Hired by owner Al Davis to become Senior Personnel Executive working closely with the owner on all football matters. Liaison with head coach and owner; responsible for pro and college player evaluations; and handled veteran contracts.
2007
1 1 1 1 JaMarcus Russell QB Louisiana State
2 2 6 38 Zach Miller TE Arizona State
3 3 1 65 Quentin Moses DE Georgia
4 3 28 91 Mario Henderson T Florida State
5 3 36 99 Johnnie Lee Higgins WR Texas-El Paso
6 4 1 100 Michael Bush RB Louisville
7 4 11 110 John Bowie DB Cincinnati
8 5 1 138 Jay Richardson DE Ohio State
9 5 28 165 Eric Frampton DB Washington State
10 6 1 175 Oren O'Neal RB Arkansas State
11 7 44 254 Johnathan Holland WR Louisiana Tech
2006
1 1 7 7 Michael Huff DB Texas
2 2 6 38 Thomas Howard LB Texas-El Paso
3 3 5 69 Paul McQuistan G Weber State
4 4 4 101 Darnell Bing DB USC
5 6 7 176 Kevin Boothe T Cornell
6 7 6 214 Chris Morris C Michigan State
7 7 47 255 Kevin McMahan WR Maine
2005
1 1 23 23 Fabian Washington DB Nebraska
2 2 6 38 Stanford Routt DB Houston
3 3 5 69 Andrew Walter QB Arizona State
4 3 14 78 Kirk Morrison LB San Diego State
5 6 1 175 Anttaj Hawthorne DT Wisconsin
6 6 38 212 Ryan Riddle DE California
7 6 40 214 Pete McMahon T Iowa
2004
1 1 2 2 Robert Gallery T Iowa
2 2 13 45 Jake Grove C Virginia Tech
3 3 4 67 Stuart Schweigert DB Purdue
4 4 3 99 Carlos Francis WR Texas Tech
5 5 2 134 Johnnie Morant WR Syracuse
6 6 1 166 Shawn Johnson DE Delaware
7 6 17 182 Cody Spencer LB North Texas
8 7 44 245 Courtney Anderson TE San Jose State
9 7 54 255 Andre Sommersell LB Colorado State
2003
1 1 31 31 Nnamdi Asomugha DB California
2 1 32 32 Tyler Brayton DE Colorado
3 2 31 63 Teyo Johnson WR Stanford
4 3 19 83 Sam Williams LB Fresno State
5 3 32 96 Justin Fargas RB USC
6 4 32 129 Shurron Pierson DE South Florida
7 5 32 167 Doug Gabriel WR Central Florida
8 6 31 204 Dustin Rykert T Brigham Young
9 7 32 246 Siddeeq Shabazz DB New Mexico State
10 7 48 262 Ryan Hoag WR Gustavus Adolphus
2002
1 1 17 17 Phillip Buchanon DB Miami (FL)
2 1 23 23 Napoleon Harris LB Northwestern
3 2 21 53 Langston Walker T California
4 2 23 55 Doug Jolley TE Brigham Young
5 5 12 147 Kenyon Coleman DE UCLA
6 6 17 189 Keyon Nash DB Albany State
7 6 25 197 Larry Ned RB San Diego State
8 7 24 235 Ronald Curry QB North Carolina
2001
1 1 28 28 Derrick Gibson DB Florida State
2 2 28 59 Marques Tuiasosopo QB Washington
3 3 27 89 DeLawrence Grant DE Oregon State
4 5 27 158 Raymond Perryman DB Northern Arizona
5 6 21 184 Chris Cooper DE Nebraska-Omaha
6 7 28 228 Derek Combs RB Ohio State
7 7 29 229 Ken-Yon Rambo WR Ohio State
2000
1 1 17 17 Sebastian Janikowski K Florida State
2 2 16 47 Jerry Porter WR West Virginia
3 4 13 107 Junior Ioane DT Arizona State
4 5 13 142 Shane Lechler P Texas A&M
5 7 21 227 Mondriel Fulcher RB Miami (FL)
6 7 25 231 Clifton Black DB Southwest Texas State
1999
1 1 18 18 Matt Stinchcomb T Georgia
2 2 9 40 Tony Bryant DE Florida State
3 4 7 102 Dameane Douglas WR California
4 5 13 146 Eric Barton LB Maryland
5 5 20 153 Roderick Coleman DE East Carolina
6 6 19 188 Daren Yancey DT Brigham Young
7 7 18 224 JoJuan Armour LB Miami (OH)
raiders 99-07
1998 – Philadelphia Eagles: Promoted to Director of Pro Personnel after serving as a consultant to team owner Jeffrey Lurie in 1997. Managed the professional personnel department and advised owner and chief financial officer on all player contracts and salary cap issues.
1998
1 1 11 11 Tra Thomas T Florida State
2 3 11 72 Jeremiah Trotter LB Stephen F. Austin
3 3 24 85 Allen Rossum DB Notre Dame
4 4 20 112 Brandon Whiting DT California
5 4 24 116 Clarence Love DB Toledo
6 5 19 142 Ike Reese LB Michigan State
7 7 31 220 Chris Akins DT Texas
8 7 51 240 Melvin Thomas G Colorado
eagles1998
1996 – St. Louis Rams: Prepared advisory reports for ownership during head coach search.
Did not participate in the draft, per wiki.
1987 to 1996 – Cleveland Browns: Joined team as Pro Personnel Director in 1987. Promoted to Director of Player Personnel in 1992 where he worked under head coach Bill Belichick and was responsible for all college and pro personnel decisions; managed salary cap and player personnel issues; oversaw staff of 13 college and pro scouts; handled all player contracts and advised head coach on all football matters.
1995
1 1 30 30 Craig Powell LB Ohio State
2 3 20 84 Eric Zeier QB Georgia
3 3 30 94 Mike Frederick DE Virginia
4 5 2 136 Tau Pupua DT Weber State
5 5 13 147 Mike Miller WR Notre Dame
6 7 23 231 A.C. Tellison WR Miami (FL)
1994
1 1 9 9 Antonio Langham DB Alabama
2 1 29 29 Derrick Alexander WR Michigan
3 3 10 75 Romeo Bandison DT Oregon
4 5 10 141 Isaac Booth DB California
5 6 10 171 Robert Strait RB Baylor
6 7 9 203 Andre Hewitt T Clemson
1993
1 1 14 14 Steve Everitt C Michigan
2 2 13 42 Dan Footman DE Florida State
3 3 27 83 Mike Caldwell LB Middle Tennessee State
4 5 12 124 Herman Arvie T Grambling State
5 6 13 153 Rich McKenzie LB Penn State
6 7 12 180 Travis Hill LB Nebraska
1992
1 1 9 9 Tommy Vardell RB Stanford
2 2 24 52 Patrick Rowe WR San Diego State
3 3 9 65 Bill Johnson DT Michigan State
4 3 22 78 Gerald Dixon LB South Carolina
5 6 3 143 Rico Smith WR Colorado
6 6 23 163 George Williams DT Notre Dame
7 7 9 177 Selwyn Jones DB Colorado State
8 9 9 233 Tim Hill DB Kansas
9 10 8 260 Marcus Lowe DT Baylor
10 11 9 289 Augustin Olobia WR Washington State
11 12 8 316 Keithen McCant QB Nebraska
12 12 21 329 Tim Simpson C Illinois
1991
1 1 2 2 Eric Turner DB UCLA
2 2 2 29 Ed King G Auburn
3 3 2 57 James Jones DT Northern Iowa
4 4 2 85 Pio Sagapulutele DT San Diego State
5 6 2 141 Michael Jackson WR Southern Mississippi
6 8 2 197 Frank Conover DT Syracuse
7 9 2 225 Raymond Irvin DB Central Florida
8 9 16 239 Shawn Wiggins WR Wyoming
9 10 2 252 Brian Greenfield P Pittsburgh
10 11 2 280 Todd Jones G Henderson State
11 12 2 308 Elijah Austin DT North Carolina State
1990
1 2 20 45 Leroy Hoard RB Michigan
2 3 20 73 Anthony Pleasant DE Tennessee State
3 4 20 101 Harlon Barnett DB Michigan State
4 5 20 129 Rob Burnett DE Syracuse
5 6 20 157 Randy Hilliard DB Northwestern State (LA)
6 7 13 178 Scott Galbraith TE USC
7 8 19 212 Jock Jones LB Virginia Tech
8 9 20 240 Eugene Rowell WR Southern Mississippi
9 10 20 268 Mike Wallace DB Jackson State
10 11 20 296 Clemente Gordon QB Grambling State
11 12 19 323 Kerry Simien WR Texas A&I
1989
1 1 13 13 Eric Metcalf RB Texas
2 2 3 31 Lawyer Tillman WR Auburn
3 4 23 107 Andrew Stewart DE Cincinnati
4 5 2 114 Kyle Kramer DB Bowling Green
5 5 4 116 Vernon Joines WR Maryland
6 6 21 160 Gary Wilkerson DB Penn State
7 7 20 187 Mike Graybill T Boston University
8 8 19 214 Rick Aeilts TE Southeast Missouri State
9 10 23 274 John Buddenberg T Akron
10 11 22 301 Dan Plocki K Maryland
11 12 21 328 Marlon Brown LB Memphis State
1988
1 1 21 21 Clifford Charlton LB Florida
2 2 23 50 Michael Dean Perry DT Clemson
3 3 22 77 Van Waiters LB Indiana
4 4 21 103 Anthony Blaylock DB Winston-Salem State
5 7 23 188 Thane Gash DB East Tennessee State
6 8 23 216 J.J. Birden WR Oregon
7 9 23 244 Danny Copeland DB Eastern Kentucky
8 10 23 272 Brian Washington DB Nebraska
9 11 23 300 Hendley Hawkins WR Nebraska
10 12 23 328 Steve Slayden QB Duke
1987
1 1 5 5 Mike Junkin LB Duke
2 2 4 32 Gregg Rakoczy C Miami (FL)
3 3 24 80 Tim Manoa RB Penn State
4 3 26 82 Jeff Jaeger K Washington
5 6 25 165 Stephen Braggs DB Texas
6 8 25 220 Steve Bullitt LB Texas A&M
7 10 25 276 Frank Winters C Western Illinois
8 11 24 303 Larry Brewton DB Temple
Browns 87-95
Ummm. You have Robert Gallery in bold.
He was drafted second overall as a tackle and he became a mediocre guard that never made one pro bowl.
That's a bust at #2.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Ummm. You have Robert Gallery in bold.
He was drafted second overall as a tackle and he became a mediocre guard that never made one pro bowl.
That's a bust at #2.
Zombo
My fault. I thought he was decent.
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If someone wants to look this up because I do not, I called this at the beginning of the year!!!! Lombardi becoming the GM is not a big deal because Saban will have all the player calls. I think Nick Saban would be a great coach. We have his fullback and Runningback already in Cleveland. Saban is a big Defense guy..
What Cleveland likes
Nasty defense and a Nasty run offense..SABAN perfect for the Browns....
There is no way Shurmer stays....Really our only good win is against Cincy.....
San Diego Sucks
Pittsburgh Sucks without Big Ben, Palomalo, harrison, Clark
Oakland really
Kansas City Really
What will cost Shurmer his job is the Philly, Indy, Balt, NY, Dallas games all games where we should or could have won. Getting Shurmered is not a good thing. Shit Shurmer tried to lose the Oakland game too
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If someone wants to look this up because I do not, I called this at the beginning of the year!!!! Lombardi becoming the GM is not a big deal because Saban will have all the player calls. I think Nick Saban would be a great coach. We have his fullback and Runningback already in Cleveland. Saban is a big Defense guy..
What Cleveland likes
Nasty defense and a Nasty run offense..SABAN perfect for the Browns....
There is no way Shurmer stays....Really our only good win is against Cincy.....
San Diego Sucks
Pittsburgh Sucks without Big Ben, Palomalo, harrison, Clark
Oakland really
Kansas City Really
What will cost Shurmer his job is the Philly, Indy, Balt, NY, Dallas games all games where we should or could have won. Getting Shurmered is not a good thing. Shit Shurmer tried to lose the Oakland game too
If someone wants to look this up because I do not, I called this at the beginning of the year!!!! Lombardi becoming the GM is not a big deal because Saban will have all the player calls. I think Nick Saban would be a great coach. We have his fullback and Runningback already in Cleveland. Saban is a big Defense guy..
What Cleveland likes
Nasty defense and a Nasty run offense..SABAN perfect for the Browns....
There is no way Shurmer stays....Really our only good win is against Cincy.....
San Diego Sucks
Pittsburgh Sucks without Big Ben, Palomalo, harrison, Clark
Oakland really
Kansas City Really
What will cost Shurmer his job is the Philly, Indy, Balt, NY, Dallas games all games where we should or could have won. Getting Shurmered is not a good thing. Shit Shurmer tried to lose the Oakland game too
I'm not sold or even on the wagon with Patty boy yet. I'm glad the team is learning to win and from last game, don't let up. But let's be real, the teams we beat stink. I'll have some faith on Pansy boy if we put up a good showing the last games.
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Who were the players he missed out on? I thought they showed an infographic during the Browns/Raiders game.
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Why the hell would Saban leave when he's the top dawg in college football? Why come here with the added stress and lack of recruiting advantage. Some coaches are just college coaches and Saban is one of them.
Why the hell would Saban leave when he's the top dawg in college football? Why come here with the added stress and lack of recruiting advantage. Some coaches are just college coaches and Saban is one of them.
No, I disagree. Saban, I believe, at heart is an NFL coach.
Why should he leave college football? Because he is bored there...and if he stays...as I have said before, he should just announce his retirement.
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If someone wants to look this up because I do not, I called this at the beginning of the year!!!! Lombardi becoming the GM is not a big deal because Saban will have all the player calls. I think Nick Saban would be a great coach. We have his fullback and Runningback already in Cleveland. Saban is a big Defense guy..
What Cleveland likes
Nasty defense and a Nasty run offense..SABAN perfect for the Browns....
There is no way Shurmer stays....Really our only good win is against Cincy.....
San Diego Sucks
Pittsburgh Sucks without Big Ben, Palomalo, harrison, Clark
Oakland really
Kansas City Really
What will cost Shurmer his job is the Philly, Indy, Balt, NY, Dallas games all games where we should or could have won. Getting Shurmered is not a good thing. Shit Shurmer tried to lose the Oakland game too
If someone wants to look this up because I do not, I called this at the beginning of the year!!!! Lombardi becoming the GM is not a big deal because Saban will have all the player calls. I think Nick Saban would be a great coach. We have his fullback and Runningback already in Cleveland. Saban is a big Defense guy..
What Cleveland likes
Nasty defense and a Nasty run offense..SABAN perfect for the Browns....
There is no way Shurmer stays....Really our only good win is against Cincy.....
San Diego Sucks
Pittsburgh Sucks without Big Ben, Palomalo, harrison, Clark
Oakland really
Kansas City Really
What will cost Shurmer his job is the Philly, Indy, Balt, NY, Dallas games all games where we should or could have won. Getting Shurmered is not a good thing. Shit Shurmer tried to lose the Oakland game too
Actually, bringing back Lombardi would be monumentally stupid. Much worse than the Walrus bringing in Patsy. Shurmur only failed once as an OC before Holmgren brought him in. Lombardi has an unabated record of failure. Puke- giving a job to one of your pals that doesn't deserve it by a long shot Joe? I'd perefer NO ONE instead. Sheeze, the season ain't over- yet. Patsy wins 2 out of 3 and my bet is he earns another year.
Plus, Saban has flopped once as an NFL HC- no guarantee he'd be any better the second time around.
As to the HC making the player calls with a doofus GM- I have two words for you BUTCH DAVIS. So how did that turn out?
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If someone wants to look this up because I do not, I called this at the beginning of the year!!!! Lombardi becoming the GM is not a big deal because Saban will have all the player calls. I think Nick Saban would be a great coach. We have his fullback and Runningback already in Cleveland. Saban is a big Defense guy..
What Cleveland likes
Nasty defense and a Nasty run offense..SABAN perfect for the Browns....
There is no way Shurmer stays....Really our only good win is against Cincy.....
San Diego Sucks
Pittsburgh Sucks without Big Ben, Palomalo, harrison, Clark
Oakland really
Kansas City Really
What will cost Shurmer his job is the Philly, Indy, Balt, NY, Dallas games all games where we should or could have won. Getting Shurmered is not a good thing. Shit Shurmer tried to lose the Oakland game too
Actually, bringing back Lombardi would be monumentally stupid. Much worse than the Walrus bringing in Patsy. Shurmur only failed once as an OC before Holmgren brought him in. Lombardi has an unabated record of failure. Puke- giving a job to one of your pals that doesn't deserve it by a long shot Joe? I'd perefer NO ONE instead. Sheeze, the season ain't over- yet. Patsy wins 2 out of 3 and my bet is he earns another year.
Plus, Saban has flopped once as an NFL HC- no guarantee he'd be any better the second time around.
As to the HC making the player calls with a doofus GM- I have two words for you BUTCH DAVIS. So how did that turn out?
Actually, bringing back Lombardi would be monumentally stupid. Much worse than the Walrus bringing in Patsy. Shurmur only failed once as an OC before Holmgren brought him in. Lombardi has an unabated record of failure. Puke- giving a job to one of your pals that doesn't deserve it by a long shot Joe? I'd perefer NO ONE instead. Sheeze, the season ain't over- yet. Patsy wins 2 out of 3 and my bet is he earns another year.
Plus, Saban has flopped once as an NFL HC- no guarantee he'd be any better the second time around.
Its really surprising the Shitstains are making bad moves.
, but everything's different this time. Huh Yuck Yuck. 
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Actually, bringing back Lombardi would be monumentally stupid. Much worse than the Walrus bringing in Patsy. Shurmur only failed once as an OC before Holmgren brought him in. Lombardi has an unabated record of failure. Puke- giving a job to one of your pals that doesn't deserve it by a long shot Joe? I'd perefer NO ONE instead. Sheeze, the season ain't over- yet. Patsy wins 2 out of 3 and my bet is he earns another year.
Plus, Saban has flopped once as an NFL HC- no guarantee he'd be any better the second time around.
Its really surprising the Shitstains are making bad moves.
, but everything's different this time. Huh Yuck Yuck. -
Actually, bringing back Lombardi would be monumentally stupid. Much worse than the Walrus bringing in Patsy. Shurmur only failed once as an OC before Holmgren brought him in. Lombardi has an unabated record of failure. Puke- giving a job to one of your pals that doesn't deserve it by a long shot Joe? I'd perefer NO ONE instead. Sheeze, the season ain't over- yet. Patsy wins 2 out of 3 and my bet is he earns another year.
Plus, Saban has flopped once as an NFL HC- no guarantee he'd be any better the second time around.
Its really surprising the Shitstains are making bad moves.
, but everything's different this time. Huh Yuck Yuck. Polamaulu said:
Its really surprising the Shitstains are making bad moves.
, but everything's different this time. Huh Yuck Yuck. Is this truly all you have to contribute? I mean, the vacuous intellectual level of certain Steeler trolls is smoetime laughable.
There are some really decent ones....Endymion e.g.
There is Vagitron who is not a totally unfortunate fool...he just often lives up to his name.
Maybe a few others.
Then there are the hordes of troglodytes and Simians like you....who are essentially characters from a Stanley Kubrick movie:
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I'm going to be pissed if Heckert is let go. PISSED.
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Polamaulu said:
Who needs that when you have the Cleveland Shitballs?
But this time is different right? Huh Yuck Yuck
Put your money on the table pussy boy. Or shut feckless fuck mouth up.
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any switch would be a mistake IMO. these guys look confident and are playing well (albeit we beat the worse team in the league BUT hey maybe that's what they thought about us...).
heckert is head and shoulder above lombardi and saban..? well, no.
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
Do you have an NCAA trophy stuck up your ass? Cleveland is the most storied town in all of pro football. WHy would he leave Alabama? Same reason we would drop your wife in a NY pork minute to go chase Jennifer Anniston.
BIG UPGRADE
That's your opinion, which is in sharp contrast to the rest of the football fans about Cleveland being A "big upgrade" for saban than bama. We'll see when the time comes
Why the fuck would you guys want him anyways? He wants toughness from his players but when things get tough for him he bails. He sucked as an NFL coach. Maybe he'd be the next Bill B but I don't want a liar who can't stand the heat coaching my team.
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
Do you have an NCAA trophy stuck up your ass? Cleveland is the most storied town in all of pro football. WHy would he leave Alabama? Same reason we would drop your wife in a NY pork minute to go chase Jennifer Anniston.
BIG UPGRADE
That's your opinion, which is in sharp contrast to the rest of the football fans about Cleveland being A "big upgrade" for saban than bama. We'll see when the time comes
Why the fuck would you guys want him anyways? He wants toughness from his players but when things get tough for him he bails. He sucked as an NFL coach. Maybe he'd be the next Bill B but I don't want a liar who can't stand the heat coaching my team.
That's your opinion, which is in sharp contrast to the rest of the football fans about Cleveland being A "big upgrade" for saban than bama. We'll see when the time comes
Why the fuck would you guys want him anyways? He wants toughness from his players but when things get tough for him he bails. He sucked as an NFL coach. Maybe he'd be the next Bill B but I don't want a liar who can't stand the heat coaching my team.
OK, you bring up a legitimate concern. That is: if he took the job and didn't contend for the first couple of years that he would bail out and go back to some college gig.
What I couldn't fathom is that he wouldn't at least be in playoff contention with the talent now on this team.
If he really did fail to contend in his first two years here then he probably isn't cut out for the NFL....and then he could probably go and take the Auburn job which would probably be opening up right around then.
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Lombardi is a joke. Big downgrade over Heckert. Saban is 61 years old now and will be
62 next year. How many years does he have left? I don't see the Browns taking either
one of these guys especially Lombardi. I've already called and e-mailed the Browns
about my opinion concerning the rumors concerning Lombardi.
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That's your opinion, which is in sharp contrast to the rest of the football fans about Cleveland being A "big upgrade" for saban than bama. We'll see when the time comes
Why the fuck would you guys want him anyways? He wants toughness from his players but when things get tough for him he bails. He sucked as an NFL coach. Maybe he'd be the next Bill B but I don't want a liar who can't stand the heat coaching my team.
OK, you bring up a legitimate concern. That is: if he took the job and didn't contend for the first couple of years that he would bail out and go back to some college gig.
What I couldn't fathom is that he wouldn't at least be in playoff contention with the talent now on this team.
If he really did fail to contend in his first two years here then he probably isn't cut out for the NFL....and then he could probably go and take the Auburn job which would probably be opening up right around then.
OK, you bring up a legitimate concern. That is: if he took the job and didn't contend for the first couple of years that he would bail out and go back to some college gig.
What I couldn't fathom is that he wouldn't at least be in playoff contention with the talent now on this team.
If he really did fail to contend in his first two years here then he probably isn't cut out for the NFL....and then he could probably go and take the Auburn job which would probably be opening up right around then.
How are we in playoff contention? I am excited we won the last 3 games, but we haven't beaten a play off caliber team yet. We beat the Raider (TERRIBLE), the Chiefs (TERRIBLE-ER), and the Steelers (without Ben, +8 turn overs, and the Steelers may not even make the playoffs).
Listen, I love the Browns as much as the next guy on here. But sometimes you need to take the Brown colored glasses off. Yea the team has talent now and potential, but they haven't beaten any team worth a damn. They have beaten bad teams, which is an improvement from Browns of the past. But before I say they are playoff contenders, I want to see a win over a real playoff contender.
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