Browns Vs. Redskins Score Predictions
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You're talking shit now, but you are not that good. You beat a team that is not that good and you're acting like it's a big deal. Typical asshole from the Northern VA/MA/DC area.
You are gonna whine and cry about someone talking shit after 95% of the members here talked about how the Browns would walk over the Skins? How you had this 3 game win streak going bla bla bla. Quit your sniveling. Oh and I am from Ohio....
You are gonna whine and cry about someone talking shit after 95% of the members here talked about how the Browns would walk over the Skins? How you had this 3 game win streak going bla bla bla. Quit your sniveling. Oh and I am from Ohio....
So you're a bandwagon asshole. LMAO. Figures.
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You're talking shit now, but you are not that good. You beat a team that is not that good and you're acting like it's a big deal. Typical asshole from the Northern VA/MA/DC area.
You are gonna whine and cry about someone talking shit after 95% of the members here talked about how the Browns would walk over the Skins? How you had this 3 game win streak going bla bla bla. Quit your sniveling. Oh and I am from Ohio....
You are gonna whine and cry about someone talking shit after 95% of the members here talked about how the Browns would walk over the Skins? How you had this 3 game win streak going bla bla bla. Quit your sniveling. Oh and I am from Ohio....
Because this is a Browns forum.
Not a Steelers forum. Not a Redskins forum. Not a Ravens forum. A Browns forum. Of course we're going to talk shit about the other team up until the clock flashes 0's.
What I took from this game was that maybe RG3 isn't as great as he was made out to be. Cousins played a fantastic game, but it's more likely that the team around him is just clicking more than Cousins is the next Tom Brady.
Also, Weeden looked abysmal today. He really is going to have to step up his game or I can't fathom not addressing QB again soon. He really displayed all the tools you'd want, but it is possible he isn't nearly as accurate as he was made out to be.
Furthermore, the coaches should not be allowed to talk to the team at halftime. I'm getting tired of feeling like we can't lose in the first half and then drinking myself into Bolivian in the second half.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
You are gonna whine and cry about someone talking shit after 95% of the members here talked about how the Browns would walk over the Skins? How you had this 3 game win streak going bla bla bla. Quit your sniveling. Oh and I am from Ohio....
Because this is a Browns forum.
Not a Steelers forum. Not a Redskins forum. Not a Ravens forum. A Browns forum. Of course we're going to talk shit about the other team up until the clock flashes 0's.
What I took from this game was that maybe RG3 isn't as great as he was made out to be. Cousins played a fantastic game, but it's more likely that the team around him is just clicking more than Cousins is the next Tom Brady.
Also, Weeden looked abysmal today. He really is going to have to step up his game or I can't fathom not addressing QB again soon. He really displayed all the tools you'd want, but it is possible he isn't nearly as accurate as he was made out to be.
Furthermore, the coaches should not be allowed to talk to the team at halftime. I'm getting tired of feeling like we can't lose in the first half and then drinking myself into Bolivian in the second half.
Because this is a Browns forum.
Not a Steelers forum. Not a Redskins forum. Not a Ravens forum. A Browns forum. Of course we're going to talk shit about the other team up until the clock flashes 0's.
What I took from this game was that maybe RG3 isn't as great as he was made out to be. Cousins played a fantastic game, but it's more likely that the team around him is just clicking more than Cousins is the next Tom Brady.
Also, Weeden looked abysmal today. He really is going to have to step up his game or I can't fathom not addressing QB again soon. He really displayed all the tools you'd want, but it is possible he isn't nearly as accurate as he was made out to be.
Furthermore, the coaches should not be allowed to talk to the team at halftime. I'm getting tired of feeling like we can't lose in the first half and then drinking myself into Bolivian in the second half.
Ha ha, exactly.
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You are gonna whine and cry about someone talking shit after 95% of the members here talked about how the Browns would walk over the Skins? How you had this 3 game win streak going bla bla bla. Quit your sniveling. Oh and I am from Ohio....
Because this is a Browns forum.
Not a Steelers forum. Not a Redskins forum. Not a Ravens forum. A Browns forum. Of course we're going to talk shit about the other team up until the clock flashes 0's.
What I took from this game was that maybe RG3 isn't as great as he was made out to be. Cousins played a fantastic game, but it's more likely that the team around him is just clicking more than Cousins is the next Tom Brady.
Also, Weeden looked abysmal today. He really is going to have to step up his game or I can't fathom not addressing QB again soon. He really displayed all the tools you'd want, but it is possible he isn't nearly as accurate as he was made out to be.
Furthermore, the coaches should not be allowed to talk to the team at halftime. I'm getting tired of feeling like we can't lose in the first half and then drinking myself into Bolivian in the second half.
Because this is a Browns forum.
Obviously - to bad you can't take it like you can dish it out.
What I took from this game was that maybe RG3 isn't as great as he was made out to be. Cousins played a fantastic game, but it's more likely that the team around him is just clicking more than Cousins is the next Tom Brady.
Great theory until you remember what the Skins did last year with Beck/Grossman. RG3 and to a lesser extent Cousins are playing pretty damn good. That, and their rookie RB isn't half bad either. To suggest RG isn't to a large part responsible for the skins sitting at 8-6 is silly. They are the Browns without RGIII (or Cousins today).
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LMAO Browns were lucky RGIII wasn't playing today. It wouldn't have been a game after the first quarter if he had - it appears resting him was the smart move. Your running back runs strong but there is some work to be done on that roster. 38-21
foreskins won't make the playoffs. Don't act all cocky because you beat us.
foreskins won't make the playoffs. Don't act all cocky because you beat us.
A skins fan can't act cocky after SOOO many Browns fans completely dismissed the Redskins???? Look at all the posts prior to his...
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You are gonna whine and cry about someone talking shit after 95% of the members here talked about how the Browns would walk over the Skins? How you had this 3 game win streak going bla bla bla. Quit your sniveling. Oh and I am from Ohio....
Because this is a Browns forum.
Not a Steelers forum. Not a Redskins forum. Not a Ravens forum. A Browns forum. Of course we're going to talk shit about the other team up until the clock flashes 0's.
What I took from this game was that maybe RG3 isn't as great as he was made out to be. Cousins played a fantastic game, but it's more likely that the team around him is just clicking more than Cousins is the next Tom Brady.
Also, Weeden looked abysmal today. He really is going to have to step up his game or I can't fathom not addressing QB again soon. He really displayed all the tools you'd want, but it is possible he isn't nearly as accurate as he was made out to be.
Furthermore, the coaches should not be allowed to talk to the team at halftime. I'm getting tired of feeling like we can't lose in the first half and then drinking myself into Bolivian in the second half.
What I took from this game was that maybe RG3 isn't as great as he was made out to be. Cousins played a fantastic game, but it's more likely that the team around him is just clicking more than Cousins is the next Tom Brady.
I was more impressed with the offensive line. All week I was worried about the Browns defense against a horrible Redskins offensive line. I don't know what it was today but Cousins had a lot more time to throw the ball than RG3 did - plain and simple. I don't mean to be talking smack but I was not impressed with the Browns defense either. I was expecting more. Their run defense was very stout however.
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What I took from this game was that maybe RG3 isn't as great as he was made out to be. Cousins played a fantastic game, but it's more likely that the team around him is just clicking more than Cousins is the next Tom Brady.
I was more impressed with the offensive line. All week I was worried about the Browns defense against a horrible Redskins offensive line. I don't know what it was today but Cousins had a lot more time to throw the ball than RG3 did - plain and simple. I don't mean to be talking smack but I was not impressed with the Browns defense either. I was expecting more. Their run defense was very stout however.
I was more impressed with the offensive line. All week I was worried about the Browns defense against a horrible Redskins offensive line. I don't know what it was today but Cousins had a lot more time to throw the ball than RG3 did - plain and simple. I don't mean to be talking smack but I was not impressed with the Browns defense either. I was expecting more. Their run defense was very stout however.
I feel its all about adjustments. At halftime, Kyle switched the scheme to the old Texans offense, PA's and rollouts. I think the honest to God reason why the Browns defense played bad today is because they were not prepared at all for Cousins. That is great coaching by Shanahan and bad coaching by Shurmer. Plain and simple. Weeden didnt help matters much.
I couldnt be happier with Cousins. I still think RG3s injury was a freak accident and for the most part he will be very healthy and I think we should try to get a 1st rounder for Cousins to replace the ones we lost. Just my opinion.
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I was more impressed with the offensive line. All week I was worried about the Browns defense against a horrible Redskins offensive line. I don't know what it was today but Cousins had a lot more time to throw the ball than RG3 did - plain and simple. I don't mean to be talking smack but I was not impressed with the Browns defense either. I was expecting more. Their run defense was very stout however.
I feel its all about adjustments. At halftime, Kyle switched the scheme to the old Texans offense, PA's and rollouts. I think the honest to God reason why the Browns defense played bad today is because they were not prepared at all for Cousins. That is great coaching by Shanahan and bad coaching by Shurmer. Plain and simple. Weeden didnt help matters much.
I couldnt be happier with Cousins. I still think RG3s injury was a freak accident and for the most part he will be very healthy and I think we should try to get a 1st rounder for Cousins to replace the ones we lost. Just my opinion.
I feel its all about adjustments. At halftime, Kyle switched the scheme to the old Texans offense, PA's and rollouts. I think the honest to God reason why the Browns defense played bad today is because they were not prepared at all for Cousins. That is great coaching by Shanahan and bad coaching by Shurmer. Plain and simple. Weeden didnt help matters much.
I couldnt be happier with Cousins. I still think RG3s injury was a freak accident and for the most part he will be very healthy and I think we should try to get a 1st rounder for Cousins to replace the ones we lost. Just my opinion.
Not a bad idea to lobby for a pick for him,hes actually looked quite good...The most i see anyone paying is a 2nd though and even thats high...
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I feel its all about adjustments. At halftime, Kyle switched the scheme to the old Texans offense, PA's and rollouts. I think the honest to God reason why the Browns defense played bad today is because they were not prepared at all for Cousins. That is great coaching by Shanahan and bad coaching by Shurmer. Plain and simple. Weeden didnt help matters much.
I couldnt be happier with Cousins. I still think RG3s injury was a freak accident and for the most part he will be very healthy and I think we should try to get a 1st rounder for Cousins to replace the ones we lost. Just my opinion.
Not a bad idea to lobby for a pick for him,hes actually looked quite good...The most i see anyone paying is a 2nd though and even thats high...
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I feel its all about adjustments. At halftime, Kyle switched the scheme to the old Texans offense, PA's and rollouts. I think the honest to God reason why the Browns defense played bad today is because they were not prepared at all for Cousins. That is great coaching by Shanahan and bad coaching by Shurmer. Plain and simple. Weeden didnt help matters much.
I couldnt be happier with Cousins. I still think RG3s injury was a freak accident and for the most part he will be very healthy and I think we should try to get a 1st rounder for Cousins to replace the ones we lost. Just my opinion.
Not a bad idea to lobby for a pick for him,hes actually looked quite good...The most i see anyone paying is a 2nd though and even thats high...
Not a bad idea to lobby for a pick for him,hes actually looked quite good...The most i see anyone paying is a 2nd though and even thats high...
Based on what we have seen so far you are probably right... Problem is I don't know that the Skins can afford to until RG proves he can get through a 16 game season. The latest injury was a bit of a fluke IMO as it was not a designed run, but because of his abilities he is more apt to run when other QBs wouldn't. I think Cousins has more value as a back up than a 2nd this next year and who knows, perhaps he will be worth a 1st the following year.
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I was more impressed with the offensive line. All week I was worried about the Browns defense against a horrible Redskins offensive line. I don't know what it was today but Cousins had a lot more time to throw the ball than RG3 did - plain and simple. I don't mean to be talking smack but I was not impressed with the Browns defense either. I was expecting more. Their run defense was very stout however.
I feel its all about adjustments. At halftime, Kyle switched the scheme to the old Texans offense, PA's and rollouts. I think the honest to God reason why the Browns defense played bad today is because they were not prepared at all for Cousins. That is great coaching by Shanahan and bad coaching by Shurmer. Plain and simple. Weeden didnt help matters much.
I couldnt be happier with Cousins. I still think RG3s injury was a freak accident and for the most part he will be very healthy and I think we should try to get a 1st rounder for Cousins to replace the ones we lost. Just my opinion.
I feel its all about adjustments. At halftime, Kyle switched the scheme to the old Texans offense, PA's and rollouts. I think the honest to God reason why the Browns defense played bad today is because they were not prepared at all for Cousins. That is great coaching by Shanahan and bad coaching by Shurmer. Plain and simple. Weeden didnt help matters much.
I couldnt be happier with Cousins. I still think RG3s injury was a freak accident and for the most part he will be very healthy and I think we should try to get a 1st rounder for Cousins to replace the ones we lost. Just my opinion.
I mean, they run a ton of play action and roll outs with RG3. Its the run game wasn't going as well. But quite honestly, Cousins had time to through. In comparison to just last week, it was night and day. But you are right, the Shanahans did a great job preparing Cousins for the game.
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Because this is a Browns forum.
Obviously - to bad you can't take it like you can dish it out.
What I took from this game was that maybe RG3 isn't as great as he was made out to be. Cousins played a fantastic game, but it's more likely that the team around him is just clicking more than Cousins is the next Tom Brady.
Great theory until you remember what the Skins did last year with Beck/Grossman. RG3 and to a lesser extent Cousins are playing pretty damn good. That, and their rookie RB isn't half bad either. To suggest RG isn't to a large part responsible for the skins sitting at 8-6 is silly. They are the Browns without RGIII (or Cousins today).
Obviously - to bad you can't take it like you can dish it out.
Great theory until you remember what the Skins did last year with Beck/Grossman. RG3 and to a lesser extent Cousins are playing pretty damn good. That, and their rookie RB isn't half bad either. To suggest RG isn't to a large part responsible for the skins sitting at 8-6 is silly. They are the Browns without RGIII (or Cousins today).
Yeah, I'm sure it has nothing to do with their 1,200 yard rusher with 7 TDs. It's clearly been all RG3.
I didn't say RG3 wasn't good, don't get your little panties in a wad. But Cousins proved today that he isn't as much of a game changer as some thought.
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Obviously - to bad you can't take it like you can dish it out.
Great theory until you remember what the Skins did last year with Beck/Grossman. RG3 and to a lesser extent Cousins are playing pretty damn good. That, and their rookie RB isn't half bad either. To suggest RG isn't to a large part responsible for the skins sitting at 8-6 is silly. They are the Browns without RGIII (or Cousins today).
Yeah, I'm sure it has nothing to do with their 1,200 yard rusher with 7 TDs. It's clearly been all RG3.
I didn't say RG3 wasn't good, don't get your little panties in a wad. But Cousins proved today that he isn't as much of a game changer as some thought.
Yeah, I'm sure it has nothing to do with their 1,200 yard rusher with 7 TDs. It's clearly been all RG3.
I didn't say RG3 wasn't good, don't get your little panties in a wad. But Cousins proved today that he isn't as much of a game changer as some thought.
You need to read my post again there Timmy...
I said the Rookie RB has played well and deserves credit... Also, Cousins did play well but it was against Cleveland lol.. I don't think anyone is ready to make him a starter over RGIII because he managed to beat Cleveland. The game would would have been out of reach for you after the first quarter had RG played. Similarly, there is no way he [Cousins] beats the Giants like RG did. RG had a win in Atlanta before he got knocked out of the game at the end - Cousins came in and lost the game. He made up for it against Baltimore and played well yesterday but no way Cousins is as good as RG in my opinion and Id say RG IS as big of a game changer as I thought.
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Yeah, I'm sure it has nothing to do with their 1,200 yard rusher with 7 TDs. It's clearly been all RG3.
I didn't say RG3 wasn't good, don't get your little panties in a wad. But Cousins proved today that he isn't as much of a game changer as some thought.
You need to read my post again there Timmy...
I said the Rookie RB has played well and deserves credit... Also, Cousins did play well but it was against Cleveland lol.. I don't think anyone is ready to make him a starter over RGIII because he managed to beat Cleveland. The game would would have been out of reach for you after the first quarter had RG played. Similarly, there is no way he [Cousins] beats the Giants like RG did. RG had a win in Atlanta before he got knocked out of the game at the end - Cousins came in and lost the game. He made up for it against Baltimore and played well yesterday but no way Cousins is as good as RG in my opinion and Id say RG IS as big of a game changer as I thought.
You need to read my post again there Timmy...
I said the Rookie RB has played well and deserves credit... Also, Cousins did play well but it was against Cleveland lol.. I don't think anyone is ready to make him a starter over RGIII because he managed to beat Cleveland. The game would would have been out of reach for you after the first quarter had RG played. Similarly, there is no way he [Cousins] beats the Giants like RG did. RG had a win in Atlanta before he got knocked out of the game at the end - Cousins came in and lost the game. He made up for it against Baltimore and played well yesterday but no way Cousins is as good as RG in my opinion and Id say RG IS as big of a game changer as I thought.
It aslo helps the Skins by having a coach who taylors the gameplan for his players, instead of what we have.
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You need to read my post again there Timmy...
I said the Rookie RB has played well and deserves credit... Also, Cousins did play well but it was against Cleveland lol.. I don't think anyone is ready to make him a starter over RGIII because he managed to beat Cleveland. The game would would have been out of reach for you after the first quarter had RG played. Similarly, there is no way he [Cousins] beats the Giants like RG did. RG had a win in Atlanta before he got knocked out of the game at the end - Cousins came in and lost the game. He made up for it against Baltimore and played well yesterday but no way Cousins is as good as RG in my opinion and Id say RG IS as big of a game changer as I thought.
It aslo helps the Skins by having a coach who taylors the gameplan for his players, instead of what we have.
It aslo helps the Skins by having a coach who taylors the gameplan for his players, instead of what we have.
Good point - I have been impressed by the Shannys in their job this year with RG and yesterday with Cousins. I think this makes a big difference... Yesterdays game was the first Browns game Ive watched so its hard for me to critique your coaching but it does seem like the Brown's game plan could have been better. They were at a slight disadvantage not knowing who would play QB - it sounded like they (And most Skins fans and media) thought it would be RG.
I was surprised that T-Rich wasn't involved more. He runs so strong - similar to our RB. The Skins were playing the run just like the Browns were but getting the ball into his hands as much as possible would have been a goal of mine.
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It aslo helps the Skins by having a coach who taylors the gameplan for his players, instead of what we have.
Good point - I have been impressed by the Shannys in their job this year with RG and yesterday with Cousins. I think this makes a big difference... Yesterdays game was the first Browns game Ive watched so its hard for me to critique your coaching but it does seem like the Brown's game plan could have been better. They were at a slight disadvantage not knowing who would play QB - it sounded like they (And most Skins fans and media) thought it would be RG.
I was surprised that T-Rich wasn't involved more. He runs so strong - similar to our RB. The Skins were playing the run just like the Browns were but getting the ball into his hands as much as possible would have been a goal of mine.
Good point - I have been impressed by the Shannys in their job this year with RG and yesterday with Cousins. I think this makes a big difference... Yesterdays game was the first Browns game Ive watched so its hard for me to critique your coaching but it does seem like the Brown's game plan could have been better. They were at a slight disadvantage not knowing who would play QB - it sounded like they (And most Skins fans and media) thought it would be RG.
I was surprised that T-Rich wasn't involved more. He runs so strong - similar to our RB. The Skins were playing the run just like the Browns were but getting the ball into his hands as much as possible would have been a goal of mine.
I thought the Shannihan's coached a great game too. I was really impressed.
Would like to say that about my own team sometime.
I just think Weeden is a square peg in the round hole that is the West Coast Offense, and I don't think Shurmur is any kind of top NFL innovator in any way, shape or form.
The Shannihans designed a one-week offense that was perfect for Cousins, after completely changing their offense from last year to suit RGIII. The good coaches keep changing and innovating and adapting to the players ... Belichick's team this year resembles the one in 2001 in no way.
Yet here we are, the last team running a pure WCO, an offense that was great in the 90s but that no one has won a Super Bowl with since 2002.
Get rid of everything fucking Holmgren touched ... all this stupid WCO bullshit, all of the coaches, anybody associated with Holmgren his agent or that ancient offense. Chuck it all and get a young buck in here that has his own ideas and is willing to adapt to the players we have.
We just spent first rounders on Richardson and Weeden and second rounders on Gordon and Little and we have them all in a bullshit offense that gets old coaches a paycheck but doesn't make the players stars.
We draft at the top of the draft every year, we have talent ... we just have no direction, no innovation, no edge to where there is any kind of confidence that we are going to become one of the elite teams despite our constant high draft picks.
Blow this shit up, Mr. Banner. Get rid of everything from the previous administration, burn every piece of paper Holmgren brought into the building.
We need to start fresh and build our own identity. There is some good young talent here, last not waste it for another minute in this bullshit system that simply isn't working.
Zombo
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Good point - I have been impressed by the Shannys in their job this year with RG and yesterday with Cousins. I think this makes a big difference... Yesterdays game was the first Browns game Ive watched so its hard for me to critique your coaching but it does seem like the Brown's game plan could have been better. They were at a slight disadvantage not knowing who would play QB - it sounded like they (And most Skins fans and media) thought it would be RG.
I was surprised that T-Rich wasn't involved more. He runs so strong - similar to our RB. The Skins were playing the run just like the Browns were but getting the ball into his hands as much as possible would have been a goal of mine.
I thought the Shannihan's coached a great game too. I was really impressed.
Would like to say that about my own team sometime.
I just think Weeden is a square peg in the round hole that is the West Coast Offense, and I don't think Shurmur is any kind of top NFL innovator in any way, shape or form.
The Shannihans designed a one-week offense that was perfect for Cousins, after completely changing their offense from last year to suit RGIII. The good coaches keep changing and innovating and adapting to the players ... Belichick's team this year resembles the one in 2001 in no way.
Yet here we are, the last team running a pure WCO, an offense that was great in the 90s but that no one has won a Super Bowl with since 2002.
Get rid of everything fucking Holmgren touched ... all this stupid WCO bullshit, all of the coaches, anybody associated with Holmgren his agent or that ancient offense. Chuck it all and get a young buck in here that has his own ideas and is willing to adapt to the players we have.
We just spent first rounders on Richardson and Weeden and second rounders on Gordon and Little and we have them all in a bullshit offense that gets old coaches a paycheck but doesn't make the players stars.
We draft at the top of the draft every year, we have talent ... we just have no direction, no innovation, no edge to where there is any kind of confidence that we are going to become one of the elite teams despite our constant high draft picks.
Blow this shit up, Mr. Banner. Get rid of everything from the previous administration, burn every piece of paper Holmgren brought into the building.
We need to start fresh and build our own identity. There is some good young talent here, last not waste it for another minute in this bullshit system that simply isn't working.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I thought the Shannihan's coached a great game too. I was really impressed.
Would like to say that about my own team sometime.
I just think Weeden is a square peg in the round hole that is the West Coast Offense, and I don't think Shurmur is any kind of top NFL innovator in any way, shape or form.
The Shannihans designed a one-week offense that was perfect for Cousins, after completely changing their offense from last year to suit RGIII. The good coaches keep changing and innovating and adapting to the players ... Belichick's team this year resembles the one in 2001 in no way.
Yet here we are, the last team running a pure WCO, an offense that was great in the 90s but that no one has won a Super Bowl with since 2002.
Get rid of everything fucking Holmgren touched ... all this stupid WCO bullshit, all of the coaches, anybody associated with Holmgren his agent or that ancient offense. Chuck it all and get a young buck in here that has his own ideas and is willing to adapt to the players we have.
We just spent first rounders on Richardson and Weeden and second rounders on Gordon and Little and we have them all in a bullshit offense that gets old coaches a paycheck but doesn't make the players stars.
We draft at the top of the draft every year, we have talent ... we just have no direction, no innovation, no edge to where there is any kind of confidence that we are going to become one of the elite teams despite our constant high draft picks.
Blow this shit up, Mr. Banner. Get rid of everything from the previous administration, burn every piece of paper Holmgren brought into the building.
We need to start fresh and build our own identity. There is some good young talent here, last not waste it for another minute in this bullshit system that simply isn't working.
Zombo
Your forgetting that Mr Banner was part of this system in Philly...so I dont see it disapearing anytime soon...get use to poor drafting with Lombardi on board...wont matter who the coach is...the team will still suck...BOOK IT!!
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Zombo said:
I thought the Shannihan's coached a great game too. I was really impressed.
Would like to say that about my own team sometime.
I just think Weeden is a square peg in the round hole that is the West Coast Offense, and I don't think Shurmur is any kind of top NFL innovator in any way, shape or form.
The Shannihans designed a one-week offense that was perfect for Cousins, after completely changing their offense from last year to suit RGIII. The good coaches keep changing and innovating and adapting to the players ... Belichick's team this year resembles the one in 2001 in no way.
Yet here we are, the last team running a pure WCO, an offense that was great in the 90s but that no one has won a Super Bowl with since 2002.
Get rid of everything fucking Holmgren touched ... all this stupid WCO bullshit, all of the coaches, anybody associated with Holmgren his agent or that ancient offense. Chuck it all and get a young buck in here that has his own ideas and is willing to adapt to the players we have.
We just spent first rounders on Richardson and Weeden and second rounders on Gordon and Little and we have them all in a bullshit offense that gets old coaches a paycheck but doesn't make the players stars.
We draft at the top of the draft every year, we have talent ... we just have no direction, no innovation, no edge to where there is any kind of confidence that we are going to become one of the elite teams despite our constant high draft picks.
Blow this shit up, Mr. Banner. Get rid of everything from the previous administration, burn every piece of paper Holmgren brought into the building.
We need to start fresh and build our own identity. There is some good young talent here, last not waste it for another minute in this bullshit system that simply isn't working.
Zombo
Your forgetting that Mr Banner was part of this system in Philly...so I dont see it disapearing anytime soon...get use to poor drafting with Lombardi on board...wont matter who the coach is...the team will still suck...BOOK IT!!
Your forgetting that Mr Banner was part of this system in Philly...so I dont see it disapearing anytime soon...get use to poor drafting with Lombardi on board...wont matter who the coach is...the team will still suck...BOOK IT!!
I know exactly who Mr. Banner is and I think he is smart enough to let this team take a bold new direction.
Banner is not a coach/philosophy guy like Holmgren. He's a bottom line guy.
Zombo
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Your forgetting that Mr Banner was part of this system in Philly...so I dont see it disapearing anytime soon...get use to poor drafting with Lombardi on board...wont matter who the coach is...the team will still suck...BOOK IT!!
I know exactly who Mr. Banner is and I think he is smart enough to let this team take a bold new direction.
Banner is not a coach/philosophy guy like Holmgren. He's a bottom line guy.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I know exactly who Mr. Banner is and I think he is smart enough to let this team take a bold new direction.
Banner is not a coach/philosophy guy like Holmgren. He's a bottom line guy.
Zombo
We need a bottom line guy. I hope he hires a coach that will use the talent we have, not put in some antiquated system that doesn't fit the talent we have
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Good point - I have been impressed by the Shannys in their job this year with RG and yesterday with Cousins. I think this makes a big difference... Yesterdays game was the first Browns game Ive watched so its hard for me to critique your coaching but it does seem like the Brown's game plan could have been better. They were at a slight disadvantage not knowing who would play QB - it sounded like they (And most Skins fans and media) thought it would be RG.
I was surprised that T-Rich wasn't involved more. He runs so strong - similar to our RB. The Skins were playing the run just like the Browns were but getting the ball into his hands as much as possible would have been a goal of mine.
I thought the Shannihan's coached a great game too. I was really impressed.
Would like to say that about my own team sometime.
I just think Weeden is a square peg in the round hole that is the West Coast Offense, and I don't think Shurmur is any kind of top NFL innovator in any way, shape or form.
The Shannihans designed a one-week offense that was perfect for Cousins, after completely changing their offense from last year to suit RGIII. The good coaches keep changing and innovating and adapting to the players ... Belichick's team this year resembles the one in 2001 in no way.
Yet here we are, the last team running a pure WCO, an offense that was great in the 90s but that no one has won a Super Bowl with since 2002.
Get rid of everything fucking Holmgren touched ... all this stupid WCO bullshit, all of the coaches, anybody associated with Holmgren his agent or that ancient offense. Chuck it all and get a young buck in here that has his own ideas and is willing to adapt to the players we have.
We just spent first rounders on Richardson and Weeden and second rounders on Gordon and Little and we have them all in a bullshit offense that gets old coaches a paycheck but doesn't make the players stars.
We draft at the top of the draft every year, we have talent ... we just have no direction, no innovation, no edge to where there is any kind of confidence that we are going to become one of the elite teams despite our constant high draft picks.
Blow this shit up, Mr. Banner. Get rid of everything from the previous administration, burn every piece of paper Holmgren brought into the building.
We need to start fresh and build our own identity. There is some good young talent here, last not waste it for another minute in this bullshit system that simply isn't working.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I thought the Shannihan's coached a great game too. I was really impressed.
Would like to say that about my own team sometime.
I just think Weeden is a square peg in the round hole that is the West Coast Offense, and I don't think Shurmur is any kind of top NFL innovator in any way, shape or form.
The Shannihans designed a one-week offense that was perfect for Cousins, after completely changing their offense from last year to suit RGIII. The good coaches keep changing and innovating and adapting to the players ... Belichick's team this year resembles the one in 2001 in no way.
Yet here we are, the last team running a pure WCO, an offense that was great in the 90s but that no one has won a Super Bowl with since 2002.
Get rid of everything fucking Holmgren touched ... all this stupid WCO bullshit, all of the coaches, anybody associated with Holmgren his agent or that ancient offense. Chuck it all and get a young buck in here that has his own ideas and is willing to adapt to the players we have.
We just spent first rounders on Richardson and Weeden and second rounders on Gordon and Little and we have them all in a bullshit offense that gets old coaches a paycheck but doesn't make the players stars.
We draft at the top of the draft every year, we have talent ... we just have no direction, no innovation, no edge to where there is any kind of confidence that we are going to become one of the elite teams despite our constant high draft picks.
Blow this shit up, Mr. Banner. Get rid of everything from the previous administration, burn every piece of paper Holmgren brought into the building.
We need to start fresh and build our own identity. There is some good young talent here, last not waste it for another minute in this bullshit system that simply isn't working.
Zombo
Zombo, I understand your frustration. I really do. But, if theres one thing Ive learned, its things must be constant and steady for things to work. For example, Kubiak was almost fired 100 times in Houston, yet now look at them. Skins finally keep a coach for longer than 3 years and its paid off. I think consistency is a must and a coach needs at least 3 years. HOWEVER, I do think Shurmers offense is from 1993. So I would change the coaching. But I wouldnt change the players. Trich gets 2 carries in the 2nd half and they were up 14-10 at halftime? Hows that make sense? Secondly, every SINGLE run Trich has, its right up the middle with 8 guys on D stacked in the box. I think with a good coach, Cleveland would be a really good team, and Im not kidding at all.
Yes, Weeden is a question mark, but lets see what he can do in his 2nd year, and maybe under a better offense. Weeden is used to a spread offense, like New England ran last year. Why not run it? Trich is a great pass catcher out of the backfield. If Weeden ran a hurry-up spread offense, it would be explosive. I guess they just thought because Weeden was older he would transition better to the NFL, but if you give him a completely different offense and dont let him have that bridge to help him transition, its not going to work well until he adjusts.
I dont see him regressing either, I think there were some real bright spots he had yesterday. The long bomb was a great pass and the last drive before the half was perfect. The interceptions were a fault of him telegraphing the throws, and not understanding where the zone LB or DB was, but that can be coached.
Hes a gunslinger, put him in a spread offense with Trich getting 25 carries a game and also a bunch of checkdowns, and you would see a big difference. Weeden has the talent, I just dont know if he has the heart. I always say, since baseball was his first sport/choice, I question if he has the fire that the great QBs do. Same thing with Tannehill. Tannehill doesnt even know what teams belong to what divisions in the NFL, I dont care what anyone tells me, he doesnt have the passion that others before him did. Either way, with a new offense that caters to the gun slinger, spread mentality, Weeden would thrive.
Im surprised you feel this way Zombo, Ive been reading these boards since last draft and you always been a Weeden supporter.
I do have one question, were you guys happy that you got Weeden with that reach of a pick? Dont you guys think he would have been there in the 2nd or 3rd round even? I cant understand why Holmgren reached for him. Riley Reiff, Decastro, and Hightower all went after Weeden. I just think you could have had him in a later round, and got an elite OT/OG or Hightower. Do you guys feel the same?
Also, how do you guys feel about Atlanta giving you all those draft picks for Julio Jones? Would you rather have Julio? Or did the players you guys receive you feel work out? Im just curious, since I dont know all the players you got.
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