Whelp... Shurms Is Gone
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@mike-h said:
2.5 YPC is not a problem. RIGHT.... Two weeks in a row and for nearly every game this season he's been unable to do anything on his own. NOT Explosive.
How many runs of 20+ yards this year? 2.
That is awful no matter how many years you have been a pro.
Every cocksucker on here and in this "fan base" talked about how Trent Richardson is a BEAST. How he is the BEST RB PROSPECT SINCE ADRIAN PETERSON.
Now, you're justifying why he's good enough to even stay on the team?
Don't see what you people did and still don't. He runs hard and is a good player but No. 3 overall he is not. I'm not saying get rid of him, I'm saying they should have never drafted him.
BTW, your argument is Retarded. The Browns' O-line is regarded as one of the better units around the league. What pieces do the Browns need to add that will make him run faster and hit holes quicker? DUMB DUMB DUMB
I said when they drafted him- taking a RB @ #3, they had better be Peterson good. Just looking at Richardson's college tapes, you could tell he wasn't. Got run down from behind a couple of times at 'Bama. That NEVER happened to AP in college. Dances too much, and right now Hardesty shows better burst. BTW, I've seen "The Beast" got arm tackled by one guy plenty of times this year- never saw that happen to Jim Brown.
So he's got a bunch of touchdowns and will have a 1,000 yard season- that's nothing to write home about anymore for a RB. T-Rich is 16th in yardage. I do believe every one of the guys ahead of him were drafted lower.
I said when they drafted him- taking a RB @ #3, they had better be Peterson good. Just looking at Richardson's college tapes, you could tell he wasn't. Got run down from behind a couple of times at 'Bama. That NEVER happened to AP in college. Dances too much, and right now Hardesty shows better burst. BTW, I've seen "The Beast" got arm tackled by one guy plenty of times this year- never saw that happen to Jim Brown.
So he's got a bunch of touchdowns and will have a 1,000 yard season- that's nothing to write home about anymore for a RB. T-Rich is 16th in yardage. I do believe every one of the guys ahead of him were drafted lower.
Im not trying to defend the pick...But it may just be what the Browns wanted for the offense we run...Other than that...Im not all that impressed with T-rich...He looks "ordinary"...will that change?...Who knows...
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I said when they drafted him- taking a RB @ #3, they had better be Peterson good. Just looking at Richardson's college tapes, you could tell he wasn't. Got run down from behind a couple of times at 'Bama. That NEVER happened to AP in college. Dances too much, and right now Hardesty shows better burst. BTW, I've seen "The Beast" got arm tackled by one guy plenty of times this year- never saw that happen to Jim Brown.
So he's got a bunch of touchdowns and will have a 1,000 yard season- that's nothing to write home about anymore for a RB. T-Rich is 16th in yardage. I do believe every one of the guys ahead of him were drafted lower.
Im not trying to defend the pick...But it may just be what the Browns wanted for the offense we run...Other than that...Im not all that impressed with T-rich...He looks "ordinary"...will that change?...Who knows...
Im not trying to defend the pick...But it may just be what the Browns wanted for the offense we run...Other than that...Im not all that impressed with T-rich...He looks "ordinary"...will that change?...Who knows...
I'm not writing Richardson off yet- or Weeden for that matter.
However, I think it's safe to say we can write Shur-loss off come December 31st, if not sooner. Rams fans hated him, 90% of this board thinks he sucks, and even the knowledgeable 'Skins fans who posted here the past week were laughing at his ineptitude.
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I don't know about that. Trent is an upgrade but running the ball has taken a backseat to passing the ball in the NFL. The WRs have gotten better but they started off very slow. And while I agree Weeden is better than Colt thats like saying Sanchez is better than Mcelroy.
Running the ball hasn't taken a backseat in Minnesota. Peterson is carrying that team to the playoffs despite having one of the worst QB's in the NFL.
Running the ball hasn't taken a backseat in Minnesota. Peterson is carrying that team to the playoffs despite having one of the worst QB's in the NFL.
IF the Vikings make the playoffs, one and done. I'd rather have Brady, Rodgers, Manning or Brees over Peterson every day of the week and twice on Sunday as would every GM in the NFL. The NFL is a QB driven league, fact.
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Running the ball hasn't taken a backseat in Minnesota. Peterson is carrying that team to the playoffs despite having one of the worst QB's in the NFL.
IF the Vikings make the playoffs, one and done. I'd rather have Brady, Rodgers, Manning or Brees over Peterson every day of the week and twice on Sunday as would every GM in the NFL. The NFL is a QB driven league, fact.
IF the Vikings make the playoffs, one and done. I'd rather have Brady, Rodgers, Manning or Brees over Peterson every day of the week and twice on Sunday as would every GM in the NFL. The NFL is a QB driven league, fact.
So true..... This is why the browns have sucked for so long, and will continue to suck until we break the QB curse
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Im not trying to defend the pick...But it may just be what the Browns wanted for the offense we run...Other than that...Im not all that impressed with T-rich...He looks "ordinary"...will that change?...Who knows...
I'm not writing Richardson off yet- or Weeden for that matter.
However, I think it's safe to say we can write Shur-loss off come December 31st, if not sooner. Rams fans hated him, 90% of this board thinks he sucks, and even the knowledgeable 'Skins fans who posted here the past week were laughing at his ineptitude.
I'm not writing Richardson off yet- or Weeden for that matter.
However, I think it's safe to say we can write Shur-loss off come December 31st, if not sooner. Rams fans hated him, 90% of this board thinks he sucks, and even the knowledgeable 'Skins fans who posted here the past week were laughing at his ineptitude.
90%, good lord I hope there's not an entire 10% of browns fans that like him
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@mike-h said:
They drafted a first-round QB and two second-round WRs.
How much more of a crutch are you going to keep giving TR? Does Adrian Peterson need fucking QBs or WRs to run the fucking football like a pro?
EARTH TO DUMB ASS --> When you pick a RB No. 3 overall you should not have to put him into the picture perfect offense for him to succeed. He is supposed to IMPACT the offense to help improve it. Not the other way around.
Petterson gets 25+ carries a game. Trent gets 11.............WE NEED A NEW COACH
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@mike-h said:
They drafted a first-round QB and two second-round WRs.
How much more of a crutch are you going to keep giving TR? Does Adrian Peterson need fucking QBs or WRs to run the fucking football like a pro?
EARTH TO DUMB ASS --> When you pick a RB No. 3 overall you should not have to put him into the picture perfect offense for him to succeed. He is supposed to IMPACT the offense to help improve it. Not the other way around.
To say Richardson isn't AD isn't an insult but he isn't and 31 other teams don't have him either.
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@mike-h said:
They drafted a first-round QB and two second-round WRs.
How much more of a crutch are you going to keep giving TR? Does Adrian Peterson need fucking QBs or WRs to run the fucking football like a pro?
EARTH TO DUMB ASS --> When you pick a RB No. 3 overall you should not have to put him into the picture perfect offense for him to succeed. He is supposed to IMPACT the offense to help improve it. Not the other way around.
Petterson gets 25+ carries a game. Trent gets 11.............WE NEED A NEW COACH
Petterson gets 25+ carries a game. Trent gets 11.............WE NEED A NEW COACH
If Richardson was Peterson he'd gert it 25+ times but TRich isn't even Ray Rice and look at that situation...
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Petterson gets 25+ carries a game. Trent gets 11.............WE NEED A NEW COACH
If Richardson was Peterson he'd gert it 25+ times but TRich isn't even Ray Rice and look at that situation...
If Richardson was Peterson he'd gert it 25+ times but TRich isn't even Ray Rice and look at that situation...
That trues. Rice can hit a hole and run. TRich is a dancer.
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Until the team is made up of 53 #1 overall picks who each make it to the Pro Bowl, you little girls will find something to bitch about.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Until the team is made up of 53 #1 overall picks who each make it to the Pro Bowl, you little girls will find something to bitch about.
Until the team is made up of 53 #1 overall picks who each make it to the Pro Bowl, you little girls will find something to bitch about.
Actually an 8-8 team we would all be happy for one year...
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I mean when the two most important people on the offense (Weed and Rich) are bitching about the poor play calling, there is obviously a problem with coaching.
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Until the team is made up of 53 #1 overall picks who each make it to the Pro Bowl, you little girls will find something to bitch about.
Actually an 8-8 team we would all be happy for one year...
Actually an 8-8 team we would all be happy for one year...
Untrue.
This time last year you could have said "a stable runningback position and we would all be happy for one year..." and here they are, still bitching.
There's a difference between aspiring to be the best and being an impossible-to-please corral of Marys
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Actually an 8-8 team we would all be happy for one year...
Untrue.
This time last year you could have said "a stable runningback position and we would all be happy for one year..." and here they are, still bitching.
There's a difference between aspiring to be the best and being an impossible-to-please corral of Marys
This time last year you could have said "a stable runningback position and we would all be happy for one year..." and here they are, still bitching.
There's a difference between aspiring to be the best and being an impossible-to-please corral of Marys
Not impossible to please- just calling 'em as we see 'em. I give Richardson a passing grade this year, with room for serious improvement.
Petterson gets 25+ carries a game. Trent gets 11.............WE NEED A NEW COACH
I won't disagree with you that we need a new coach- but hell's bells, to this point Richardson has looked pretty ordinary for a #3 overall RB.
In this case stats don't lie. I'll be precise, and this is straight from NFL.com Peterson averages 20.6 caries per game, Richardson 18.4 . OTOH, Peterson is averaging an unreal 6.3 YPC. Richardson? 3.5, which puts him DEAD LAST in YPC among the top 25 in total yardage. Incidentally our Super Stud is also tied for DEAD LAST in runs of 20+ yards (2) Can we say no breakaway gear? (Peterson 20 for comparison)
If you want to blame his (relative) lack of production on Shur-loss, hate to tell you Hardesty is averaging almost 1 ypc better - in the same stinking offense. I'd think if Richardson wasn't such a high pick and getting force fed the ball, he'd already have been benched in favor of Montario.
Richardson HAS to learn how to stop dancing- this isn't college ball. Every dance step lets a defender (that's as fast as he is) close in on him. And we've seen Trent is NOT another John Riggins\ Larry Csonka type that can just run guys over at will.
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Let me start this off right, I can't stand Pat Shurmur the media personality, the guy really comes off as condescending, or Pat Shurmur the playcaller, too conservative, especially when he has a weapon like Weeden/Gordon/Benjamin (I don't think they have established that deep threat enough. Do not take this as an endorsement for keeping Shurmur. I am on the "show him the door" bandwagon. Have been since the 0-5 start, haven't looked back.
BUT... here is the other side of the coin
More than one player has come out and said that they should keep Shurmur on as HC, most recently Sheldon Brown gave him the thumbs up, saying something about how the system is already in place and this offseason they would have a jumpstart and it would be more about tweaking things than implementing a new system.
My thought here is, would it be too much of a step back to go back to the drawing board with a new coaching staff and scheme (offense AND defense). We all have to admit that there has been some development and the on field product has vastly improved (even though the wins aren't quite there yet). This team is at least fun to watch.
Would it hurt more to keep this guy on another year i.e. mangini or kick him now and start from scratch. I would say that unless you can find a "can't miss" head coaching candidate it MIGHT be better to stick with Shurmur another year.
Again just arguing this point for the sake of argument. If it were up to me he would be gone, just playing devil's advocate.
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I would partially blame the coaches for not ingraining it into to TRich to hit the hole and stop dancing. But as said before for #3 he hasn't produced. Its not bitching its the truth. No one is saying to trade him or bench him. Just stating the facts.
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I would partially blame the coaches for not ingraining it into to TRich to hit the hole and stop dancing. But as said before for #3 he hasn't produced. Its not bitching its the truth. No one is saying to trade him or bench him. Just stating the facts.
I would partially blame the coaches for not ingraining it into to TRich to hit the hole and stop dancing. But as said before for #3 he hasn't produced. Its not bitching its the truth. No one is saying to trade him or bench him. Just stating the facts.
I am not absolving Trent for all that he hasn't done, he needs to be better next year for sure, but I think the coach is to blame more, for his lack of ability to use his players in the best situation. When the other team KNOWS you are going to run, you have very little chance to succeed
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Let me start this off right, I can't stand Pat Shurmur the media personality, the guy really comes off as condescending, or Pat Shurmur the playcaller, too conservative, especially when he has a weapon like Weeden/Gordon/Benjamin (I don't think they have established that deep threat enough. Do not take this as an endorsement for keeping Shurmur. I am on the "show him the door" bandwagon. Have been since the 0-5 start, haven't looked back.
BUT... here is the other side of the coin
More than one player has come out and said that they should keep Shurmur on as HC, most recently Sheldon Brown gave him the thumbs up, saying something about how the system is already in place and this offseason they would have a jumpstart and it would be more about tweaking things than implementing a new system.
My thought here is, would it be too much of a step back to go back to the drawing board with a new coaching staff and scheme (offense AND defense). We all have to admit that there has been some development and the on field product has vastly improved (even though the wins aren't quite there yet). This team is at least fun to watch.
Would it hurt more to keep this guy on another year i.e. mangini or kick him now and start from scratch. I would say that unless you can find a "can't miss" head coaching candidate it MIGHT be better to stick with Shurmur another year.
Again just arguing this point for the sake of argument. If it were up to me he would be gone, just playing devil's advocate.
More than one player has come out and said that they should keep Shurmur on as HC, most recently Sheldon Brown gave him the thumbs up, saying something about how the system is already in place and this offseason they would have a jumpstart and it would be more about tweaking things than implementing a new system.
My thought here is, would it be too much of a step back to go back to the drawing board with a new coaching staff and scheme (offense AND defense). We all have to admit that there has been some development and the on field product has vastly improved (even though the wins aren't quite there yet). This team is at least fun to watch.
Would it hurt more to keep this guy on another year i.e. mangini or kick him now and start from scratch. I would say that unless you can find a "can't miss" head coaching candidate it MIGHT be better to stick with Shurmur another year.
Again just arguing this point for the sake of argument. If it were up to me he would be gone, just playing devil's advocate.
I was almost thinking along the same lines- until the Washington game. The Browns didn't get out-talented- the Shanahans flat-out destroyed Shurmur and Jauron in the coaching department. They made adjustments, and our coaching staff was unable to adjust to their adjustments. Yeah- it didn't help Weeden played like a bum either.
We'll see if Patsy gets out(Fox)ed again in Denver- Fox IMHO is one of the better HCs around. In that case, It's certainly adios, Shur-loss.
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So how does this one fall to Shurmur? Weeden still stinks and the defense played poorly, so was it play calling again?
Vince Lombardi couldn't win with this team
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