Tyler Bray Declares For Nfl Draft
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Weeden would have plenty of swagger in a Mike Martz style of system. People over analyze the player and forget the system of the coach. When it is broke, no player will make it work.
Considering Holmgren began shying away from Shurmur last year after he said he was going to help him plan for games, told me alot: Mike knew he was as a dud before the first snap of the 2011 season.
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Weeden would have plenty of swagger in a Mike Martz style of system. People over analyze the player and forget the system of the coach. When it is broke, no player will make it work.
Considering Holmgren began shying away from Shurmur last year after he said he was going to help him plan for games, told me alot: Mike knew he was as a dud before the first snap of the 2011 season.
Weeden would have plenty of swagger in a Mike Martz style of system. People over analyze the player and forget the system of the coach. When it is broke, no player will make it work.
Considering Holmgren began shying away from Shurmur last year after he said he was going to help him plan for games, told me alot: Mike knew he was as a dud before the first snap of the 2011 season.
It has nothing to do with the system. It has to do with the personality of the player.
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Weeden would have plenty of swagger in a Mike Martz style of system. People over analyze the player and forget the system of the coach. When it is broke, no player will make it work.
Considering Holmgren began shying away from Shurmur last year after he said he was going to help him plan for games, told me alot: Mike knew he was as a dud before the first snap of the 2011 season.
It has nothing to do with the system. It has to do with the personality of the player.
It has nothing to do with the system. It has to do with the personality of the player.
Wrong. The system creates the player. Peyton Manning doesn't like WCO offense and doesn't use it. Nor would he go to a team that did. Likewise, Weeden shouldn't expect any less than plenty of vertical passing and a coach who pushes him to do so.
I think we have to understand, that Shurmur's system is one of the most extreme example of trying to prevent mistakes by bringing everybody up to the line of scrimmage offenses out there. He really goes overboard. There are several times a game, we don't even move pass catchers beyond 3-5 yards.
The idea is it will create some TD's because defenses will over pursue at the line, and it did. But not enough and Shurmur did not call his shot enough. A vet QB may have been able to do so more of the time, but you are talking about a vet. Weeden may be that Vet at 31, which is still plenty young, but Shurmur didn't have that time.
The offensive design and playcalling didn't work. It simply didn't. Browns fans love to bash the players to much, but in this case, it starts with the coach.
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It has nothing to do with the system. It has to do with the personality of the player.
Wrong. The system creates the player. Peyton Manning doesn't like WCO offense and doesn't use it. Nor would he go to a team that did. Likewise, Weeden shouldn't expect any less than plenty of vertical passing and a coach who pushes him to do so.
I think we have to understand, that Shurmur's system is one of the most extreme example of trying to prevent mistakes by bringing everybody up to the line of scrimmage offenses out there. He really goes overboard. There are several times a game, we don't even move pass catchers beyond 3-5 yards.
The idea is it will create some TD's because defenses will over pursue at the line, and it did. But not enough and Shurmur did not call his shot enough. A vet QB may have been able to do so more of the time, but you are talking about a vet. Weeden may be that Vet at 31, which is still plenty young, but Shurmur didn't have that time.
The offensive design and playcalling didn't work. It simply didn't. Browns fans love to bash the players to much, but in this case, it starts with the coach.
Wrong. The system creates the player. Peyton Manning doesn't like WCO offense and doesn't use it. Nor would he go to a team that did. Likewise, Weeden shouldn't expect any less than plenty of vertical passing and a coach who pushes him to do so.
I think we have to understand, that Shurmur's system is one of the most extreme example of trying to prevent mistakes by bringing everybody up to the line of scrimmage offenses out there. He really goes overboard. There are several times a game, we don't even move pass catchers beyond 3-5 yards.
The idea is it will create some TD's because defenses will over pursue at the line, and it did. But not enough and Shurmur did not call his shot enough. A vet QB may have been able to do so more of the time, but you are talking about a vet. Weeden may be that Vet at 31, which is still plenty young, but Shurmur didn't have that time.
The offensive design and playcalling didn't work. It simply didn't. Browns fans love to bash the players to much, but in this case, it starts with the coach.
I'm not talking about Weeden's production, or lack thereof. I'm not talking about the system. I'm not talking about the coaching. That's what you fail to understand. I'm talking about the intangibles. I'm talking to what Russell Wilson and RG3 has brought to dying franchises. They brought excitement and renewed interest.
If you want to talk about scheming and philosophies, then I am all for it. And I agree, Shurmur's version of the WCO was outdated and ineffective. His failure to adapt not only to his player's strengths but to the game as it is played today is what ultimately proved to be his downfall.
Weeden may or may not prove to be a good QB. I hope that he does, because I've been singing his praises all season. But he has not shown that he is capable of being a franchise changing figurehead, and at this point that is what Cleveland needs. The Browns need a LeBron. Someone to get the people interested again. The franchise is fading into obscurity and Lerner did nothing to change that. Haslam, on the other hand, seems to be interested in putting Cleveland back on the map.
That's why I feel that we're going QB high in the draft. Not because of Weeden. But because of the decisions of Haslam thus far.
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Weeden will get another year. Regardless of if we take another QB in the draft (which if we do I doubt its b4 the 5th) the new guy will sit. Weeden has the most upside of any QB weve had since re-entry. His flaws are mental and system oriented and can be fixed. There are no clear upgrades available short of throwing a ton of money at Alex Smith. Im content with Weeden for another year. Lets build the D via FA and the draft and give the young offense some time to gel.
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Weeden will get another year. Regardless of if we take another QB in the draft (which if we do I doubt its b4 the 5th) the new guy will sit. Weeden has the most upside of any QB weve had since re-entry. His flaws are mental and system oriented and can be fixed. There are no clear upgrades available short of throwing a ton of money at Alex Smith. Im content with Weeden for another year. Lets build the D via FA and the draft and give the young offense some time to gel.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Weeden will get another year. Regardless of if we take another QB in the draft (which if we do I doubt its b4 the 5th) the new guy will sit. Weeden has the most upside of any QB weve had since re-entry. His flaws are mental and system oriented and can be fixed. There are no clear upgrades available short of throwing a ton of money at Alex Smith. Im content with Weeden for another year. Lets build the D via FA and the draft and give the young offense some time to gel.
Expound on his gigantic upside.
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Whatever happened to that Mallett rumor?
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Weeden will get another year. Regardless of if we take another QB in the draft (which if we do I doubt its b4 the 5th) the new guy will sit. Weeden has the most upside of any QB weve had since re-entry. His flaws are mental and system oriented and can be fixed. There are no clear upgrades available short of throwing a ton of money at Alex Smith. Im content with Weeden for another year. Lets build the D via FA and the draft and give the young offense some time to gel.
Expound on his gigantic upside.
Expound on his gigantic upside.
I bet you'd like to expound on his gigantic upside, you gayboy.
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I will bet evey penny I have that if Bray is around tin the third round we will take him... He is a good QB...
If Weeden is our starter next year, Brey would be his back up
If Mallet is our starter next year, Weeden will be the back up
regardless Weeden is a Brown next year and should be the starter
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Make sure to tell Eli you need swagger
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Expound on his gigantic upside.
I bet you'd like to expound on his gigantic upside, you gayboy.
I bet you'd like to expound on his gigantic upside, you gayboy.
You're so witty.
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Make sure to tell Eli you need swagger
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