Coaches And Coaches And Coaches!
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What if they hired lovie smith and got norv turner as his o.c.
I think a lot of the players would want to play for lovie, and play hard for him. I know turner failed as a head coach but I only ever heard good things about him as a coordinator.
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I think Kyle Shanahan will be a good HC but at 33-34 years old I can't imagine he could garner the respect of the locker room. I could be off base there but I know it'd be interesting working under a guy who is the around the same age or even younger than you, especially in a sport like football.
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I think Kyle Shanahan will be a good HC but at 33-34 years old I can't imagine he could garner the respect of the locker room. I could be off base there but I know it'd be interesting working under a guy who is the around the same age or even younger than you, especially in a sport like football.
I think Kyle Shanahan will be a good HC but at 33-34 years old I can't imagine he could garner the respect of the locker room. I could be off base there but I know it'd be interesting working under a guy who is the around the same age or even younger than you, especially in a sport like football.
I hear what you are saying, but Mike Tomlin and Bill Cowher were both 34 and Chuck Noll 38 when they were hired. We've watched them go to 8 Super Bowls.
Zombo
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Ken Whisenhunt is a dude that had talent on his team but most of it left due to knuckleheaded decisions like starting DA and throwing their rookie qb under the bus..
Any coach that gets drunk on the arm power of a QB alone is not a guy i want evaluating and misusing the talent on my team.
You sure about that? I know they brought DA to Arizona, and benched Max Hall (the rookie). Yes, big mistake going with DA, but he probably wanted an "experienced" QB over a rookie.
Yes, the Cardinals died this season after a 4-0 start. Yes, they have a top WR in Larry Fitzgerald, and some decent defensive players. I'm not an Arizona expert, but Whisenhunt is only 50, so he probably has the drive/energy left in his tank. It wouldn't bother me if they hired Whisenhunt-I think he would embrace the AFC North "toughness" needed to compete.
We had Trestman as a QB coach/offensive coordinator long ago, and I remember bitching about some of his stuff- perhaps he's learned & may be ready, I don't know.
I will say I want an aggressive coach, preferably an offensive-minded coach. We Browns fans have seen far too many defensive coordinator coaches come in here and play not-to-lose (although Shurmer prefected that philosophy with an offensive back ground).
You sure about that? I know they brought DA to Arizona, and benched Max Hall (the rookie). Yes, big mistake going with DA, but he probably wanted an "experienced" QB over a rookie.
Yes, the Cardinals died this season after a 4-0 start. Yes, they have a top WR in Larry Fitzgerald, and some decent defensive players. I'm not an Arizona expert, but Whisenhunt is only 50, so he probably has the drive/energy left in his tank. It wouldn't bother me if they hired Whisenhunt-I think he would embrace the AFC North "toughness" needed to compete.
We had Trestman as a QB coach/offensive coordinator long ago, and I remember bitching about some of his stuff- perhaps he's learned & may be ready, I don't know.
I will say I want an aggressive coach, preferably an offensive-minded coach. We Browns fans have seen far too many defensive coordinator coaches come in here and play not-to-lose (although Shurmer prefected that philosophy with an offensive back ground).
I wouldn't be opposed to Whisenhunt. He could be a sort of baby Bill Belichick.
We know he is capable of getting a team to the Super Bowl.
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I think Kyle Shanahan will be a good HC but at 33-34 years old I can't imagine he could garner the respect of the locker room. I could be off base there but I know it'd be interesting working under a guy who is the around the same age or even younger than you, especially in a sport like football.
I think Kyle Shanahan will be a good HC but at 33-34 years old I can't imagine he could garner the respect of the locker room. I could be off base there but I know it'd be interesting working under a guy who is the around the same age or even younger than you, especially in a sport like football.
Don Shula was only 33 when he started. Mike Tomlin was only 34. John Madden was only 32. Al Davis was 33. Bill Cowher was 34. Mike Shanahan himself was only 35. Dick Nolan was 35. Norm Van Brocklin 34.
All good young coaches.
Other young ones perhaps not so much: Lane Kiffin: 31. David Shula 32. Raheem Morris 34.
And others no one has heard of much because they didn't do so good.
I would say it is a 50/50 proposition to get an outstanding young coach.
Now that the Skins are out of the mix....look into Kyle.
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What if they hired lovie smith and got norv turner as his o.c.
I think a lot of the players would want to play for lovie, and play hard for him. I know turner failed as a head coach but I only ever heard good things about him as a coordinator.
What if they hired lovie smith and got norv turner as his o.c.
I think a lot of the players would want to play for lovie, and play hard for him. I know turner failed as a head coach but I only ever heard good things about him as a coordinator.
If this were to happen I would definitely be looking forward to the next season.
I think Kyle Shanahan will be a good HC but at 33-34 years old I can't imagine he could garner the respect of the locker room. I could be off base there but I know it'd be interesting working under a guy who is the around the same age or even younger than you, especially in a sport like football.
The one thing you know Kyle will bring is a proven offensive system that has worked in Denver, Houston and Washington. Put together a solid coaching staff and maybe at some point draft a stud player or two I think things will start looking up. The first thing you would need to do the is interview him.
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You sure about that? I know they brought DA to Arizona, and benched Max Hall (the rookie). Yes, big mistake going with DA, but he probably wanted an "experienced" QB over a rookie.
Yes, the Cardinals died this season after a 4-0 start. Yes, they have a top WR in Larry Fitzgerald, and some decent defensive players. I'm not an Arizona expert, but Whisenhunt is only 50, so he probably has the drive/energy left in his tank. It wouldn't bother me if they hired Whisenhunt-I think he would embrace the AFC North "toughness" needed to compete.
We had Trestman as a QB coach/offensive coordinator long ago, and I remember bitching about some of his stuff- perhaps he's learned & may be ready, I don't know.
I will say I want an aggressive coach, preferably an offensive-minded coach. We Browns fans have seen far too many defensive coordinator coaches come in here and play not-to-lose (although Shurmer prefected that philosophy with an offensive back ground).
I wouldn't be opposed to Whisenhunt. He could be a sort of baby Bill Belichick.
We know he is capable of getting a team to the Super Bowl.
I wouldn't be opposed to Whisenhunt. He could be a sort of baby Bill Belichick.
We know he is capable of getting a team to the Super Bowl.
Don't know if it was injuries or what but- "The Wiz" went 1-11 after a 4-0 start this year, including getting blown out 58-0 by the Seahawks. Reason he's currently out of work. Caution advised.
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I think Kyle Shanahan will be a good HC but at 33-34 years old I can't imagine he could garner the respect of the locker room. I could be off base there but I know it'd be interesting working under a guy who is the around the same age or even younger than you, especially in a sport like football.
Don Shula was only 33 when he started. Mike Tomlin was only 34. John Madden was only 32. Al Davis was 33. Bill Cowher was 34. Mike Shanahan himself was only 35. Dick Nolan was 35. Norm Van Brocklin 34.
All good young coaches.
Other young ones perhaps not so much: Lane Kiffin: 31. David Shula 32. Raheem Morris 34.
And others no one has heard of much because they didn't do so good.
I would say it is a 50/50 proposition to get an outstanding young coach.
Now that the Skins are out of the mix....look into Kyle.
Don Shula was only 33 when he started. Mike Tomlin was only 34. John Madden was only 32. Al Davis was 33. Bill Cowher was 34. Mike Shanahan himself was only 35. Dick Nolan was 35. Norm Van Brocklin 34.
All good young coaches.
Other young ones perhaps not so much: Lane Kiffin: 31. David Shula 32. Raheem Morris 34.
And others no one has heard of much because they didn't do so good.
I would say it is a 50/50 proposition to get an outstanding young coach.
Now that the Skins are out of the mix....look into Kyle.
^+1, I've been touting this for weeks.
Not horribly opposed to Trestman either. Won the equivalent of two Super Bowls up north. Bruce Arians filled in OK for Pagano, and probably deserves a look. IMHO, Haslam & Banner aren't going to wait around to get a guy from a team with the potential to go deep into the playoffs, which probably rules out McCoy and McDaniels.
We've tried about everything else, so why not an experienced defensive minded HC (Lovie Smith) with say Norv Turner as OC?
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What if they hired lovie smith and got norv turner as his o.c.
I think a lot of the players would want to play for lovie, and play hard for him. I know turner failed as a head coach but I only ever heard good things about him as a coordinator.
What if they hired lovie smith and got norv turner as his o.c.
I think a lot of the players would want to play for lovie, and play hard for him. I know turner failed as a head coach but I only ever heard good things about him as a coordinator.
^^^This. I could give a Flying Rats a$$ about flash. I think this combo would produce wins. THAT is what I want.
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I think Kyle Shanahan will be a good HC but at 33-34 years old I can't imagine he could garner the respect of the locker room. I could be off base there but I know it'd be interesting working under a guy who is the around the same age or even younger than you, especially in a sport like football.
I hear what you are saying, but Mike Tomlin and Bill Cowher were both 34 and Chuck Noll 38 when they were hired. We've watched them go to 8 Super Bowls.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I hear what you are saying, but Mike Tomlin and Bill Cowher were both 34 and Chuck Noll 38 when they were hired. We've watched them go to 8 Super Bowls.
Zombo
You guys might be right, it's hard to say. I can't say I know anything about the man personally but I think it would depend on how he comes in and coaches. I just don't know if he's a tough nosed guy how that would go over. Honestly I'm just speculating though, I think he does have great HC caliber to him. I wouldn't be upset at all if that was the hire.
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