Your Top 5
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I agree with you there on the Curry Analysis AZBrowns, We can refer to what Pioli said recently in an interview that your 1st and 2nd round guys should be able to come in and contribute right away and if Curry has a big learning curve to have to overcome then you just screwed away your pick.
We have had enough projects in here and need someone who can step in and take charge. Someone who is smart and can read offenses not someone who has a brain fart and and cant menatlly catch up to NFL game speed. Maualuga can be that guy who can be a starter from day 1.
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I am not saying that Rey Mauluga is Leon, or that Rey will be a bust. What I am saying is we need to draft someone that not only is physically impressive, but also has a head for the game. Curry fits that more so than Rey.
Also, I thought the term "sackless" was funny.
I am not saying that Rey Mauluga is Leon, or that Rey will be a bust. What I am saying is we need to draft someone that not only is physically impressive, but also has a head for the game. Curry fits that more so than Rey.
Also, I thought the term "sackless" was funny.
LOL, I'm surprised I didn't catch that myself before posting.
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How do you know Rey's TFL shortage isnt beiong affected by a few things, things like...
a. The talent around him starting in a better position on the ball.
b. Dropping back or to the side in zone coverage.
c. A man coverage assignment.
d. The effectiveness of the pass rushers.
e. The opposing offense comepletely focusing on stopping Rey and letting the other players on the Trojans D slip through
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Curry's best position in a 3-4 is definitely ILB, not OLB (though he could play both).
And based on watching a lot of Curry this year, I'd say that his low sack totals are a function of not rushing a lot. Though he's not a particularly refined pass-rusher, his skills in coverage (4 INT's in '07, 3 returned for TD's) are the real reason why his sack totals are relatively low.
And if you're going to bring up stats, I'd ask you about Rey's stats this year, particularly his low TFL total. That, to me, is more disconcerting than Curry's sack totals.
Aloysius said:
Curry's best position in a 3-4 is definitely ILB, not OLB (though he could play both).And based on watching a lot of Curry this year, I'd say that his low sack totals are a function of not rushing a lot. Though he's not a particularly refined pass-rusher, his skills in coverage (4 INT's in '07, 3 returned for TD's) are the real reason why his sack totals are relatively low.
And if you're going to bring up stats, I'd ask you about Rey's stats this year, particularly his low TFL total. That, to me, is more disconcerting than Curry's sack totals.
Maualuga injured his knee against Oregon State in the third game of the year, missed the Oregon game the following week and played through a banged up knee the rest of the season. That had a lot to do with Mauauluga's dropping stats, including his sacks and TFL's.
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I agree with you there on the Curry Analysis AZBrowns, We can refer to what Pioli said recently in an interview that your 1st and 2nd round guys should be able to come in and contribute right away and if Curry has a big learning curve to have to overcome then you just screwed away your pick.
We have had enough projects in here and need someone who can step in and take charge. Someone who is smart and can read offenses not someone who has a brain fart and and cant menatlly catch up to NFL game speed. Maualuga can be that guy who can be a starter from day 1.
I agree with you there on the Curry Analysis AZBrowns, We can refer to what Pioli said recently in an interview that your 1st and 2nd round guys should be able to come in and contribute right away and if Curry has a big learning curve to have to overcome then you just screwed away your pick.
We have had enough projects in here and need someone who can step in and take charge. Someone who is smart and can read offenses not someone who has a brain fart and and cant menatlly catch up to NFL game speed. Maualuga can be that guy who can be a starter from day 1.
I will say this for Curry, he worked well for Wake Forrest as a project. He came in as a 205 pound, skinny, two-star DE and built his frame up and improved as a player. However, the other side of that is when a player already improves that much in four years, how much better he can really get?
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And if some scouts claim a guy hasn't gotten any better in the four years he's been at USC, how much should we expect him to get?
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Aloysius said:
Curry's best position in a 3-4 is definitely ILB, not OLB (though he could play both).And based on watching a lot of Curry this year, I'd say that his low sack totals are a function of not rushing a lot. Though he's not a particularly refined pass-rusher, his skills in coverage (4 INT's in '07, 3 returned for TD's) are the real reason why his sack totals are relatively low.
And if you're going to bring up stats, I'd ask you about Rey's stats this year, particularly his low TFL total. That, to me, is more disconcerting than Curry's sack totals.
Maualuga injured his knee against Oregon State in the third game of the year, missed the Oregon game the following week and played through a banged up knee the rest of the season. That had a lot to do with Mauauluga's dropping stats, including his sacks and TFL's.
Maualuga injured his knee against Oregon State in the third game of the year, missed the Oregon game the following week and played through a banged up knee the rest of the season. That had a lot to do with Mauauluga's dropping stats, including his sacks and TFL's.
That may be true, along with the stuff Playground & Shep brought up. But the real concern for me is how Rey played in the Oregon State game before he got hurt.
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I agree with you there on the Curry Analysis AZBrowns, We can refer to what Pioli said recently in an interview that your 1st and 2nd round guys should be able to come in and contribute right away and if Curry has a big learning curve to have to overcome then you just screwed away your pick.
We have had enough projects in here and need someone who can step in and take charge. Someone who is smart and can read offenses not someone who has a brain fart and and cant menatlly catch up to NFL game speed. Maualuga can be that guy who can be a starter from day 1.
I agree with you there on the Curry Analysis AZBrowns, We can refer to what Pioli said recently in an interview that your 1st and 2nd round guys should be able to come in and contribute right away and if Curry has a big learning curve to have to overcome then you just screwed away your pick.
We have had enough projects in here and need someone who can step in and take charge. Someone who is smart and can read offenses not someone who has a brain fart and and cant menatlly catch up to NFL game speed. Maualuga can be that guy who can be a starter from day 1.
curry's responsibilities playing ILB in the 3-4 would be very similar to what he did in the 4-3: stop the run, play the middle of the field if we play zone, cover RBs and TEs, all things he's proven he can do. he wouldn't be a project, wouldn't really even be learning a new position. he'd have the same responsibilities as before; he'd just be executing them from a different spot on the field. there's no way can't come in and contribute right away.
@ az: you make a great point about maualuga's injury. i'd forgotten about that. definitely slowed him down. shows a lot of toughness to play through it all season. definitely a point in his favor.
@ shep: other teams scheming to stop him explains why i heard everyone else's names called when i watched USC play.
it's good that we can even have this debate, though. it definitely raises the chances of us getting a great player.
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I agree with you there on the Curry Analysis AZBrowns, We can refer to what Pioli said recently in an interview that your 1st and 2nd round guys should be able to come in and contribute right away and if Curry has a big learning curve to have to overcome then you just screwed away your pick.
We have had enough projects in here and need someone who can step in and take charge. Someone who is smart and can read offenses not someone who has a brain fart and and cant menatlly catch up to NFL game speed. Maualuga can be that guy who can be a starter from day 1.
I will say this for Curry, he worked well for Wake Forrest as a project. He came in as a 205 pound, skinny, two-star DE and built his frame up and improved as a player. However, the other side of that is when a player already improves that much in four years, how much better he can really get?
I will say this for Curry, he worked well for Wake Forrest as a project. He came in as a 205 pound, skinny, two-star DE and built his frame up and improved as a player. However, the other side of that is when a player already improves that much in four years, how much better he can really get?
it shows, though, that he's willing to learn and to do whatever it takes to succeed. there's no downside to that.
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And if some scouts claim a guy hasn't gotten any better in the four years he's been at USC, how much should we expect him to get?
Aloysius said:
And if some scouts claim a guy hasn't gotten any better in the four years he's been at USC, how much better can he get?I admit I have watched more Maualuga than Curry in the last four years, but I don't know a single Pac-10 coach or scout who believes for one second that Maualuga got worse. In fact, most coaches (I know for a fact that Arizona OC Sonny Dykes schemed away from Maualuga and Willie Tuitama would not throw the ball to Robert Gronkowski, a future NFL TE who could be a first round pick next season, because they didn't want to give Maualuga a chance to make plays.) in the Pac-10 scheme away from that guy.
One scout I talked to called Maualuga the Troy Polamalu of LB's.
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Curry reminds me of Derrick Brooks.. Kind of a complete backer...good skills in all areas.
I like Rey, but the only reason I shy away from him a bit is he seems like a boom or bust player. He is either going to be really good or something is always going to nag him....I also see him more of a MLB in a 4-3...to be honest, I am not sure he is disciplined enough to be a 3-4 middle backer...they have to maintain position a bit more and he seems like a free ranger....I think he needs a 4-3 in the NFL.
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I will say this for Curry, he worked well for Wake Forrest as a project. He came in as a 205 pound, skinny, two-star DE and built his frame up and improved as a player. However, the other side of that is when a player already improves that much in four years, how much better he can really get?
it shows, though, that he's willing to learn and to do whatever it takes to succeed. there's no downside to that.
it shows, though, that he's willing to learn and to do whatever it takes to succeed. there's no downside to that.
I can see that for sure.
I just wonder about Curry.... While many people wonder if Maualuga is the benificiary of the talent around him, I wonder if Curry didn't explode on to the scene because of the offenses he has faced.
Maybe they'll both be great, maybe they will both suck. who knows?
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Here's an interesting comment made by Brent "SOBO" Sobleski:
What I'm finding out very quickly is that Maualuga is a product of his own highlight reels and too many are biting hook line and sinker.
Now that's not to say I wouldn't like the kid on this team but he's just not a legit option anymore with the Browns once again drafting in the top 5. If we traded down, then some interest would pique again, but right now those highlight reel hits are gaining him a lot of fans in Cleveland.
What's bothered me, and what bothers me with a lot of prospects, is that there has seemed to be no apparent development in his game. He started out solid this year, the knee got dinged. and he hasn't been that dominant force I expected. Would I mind having him? No, not at all. Still like his game and he would be a good fit in the 34 where he'd have less to read and less room to cover. That said, he's proven himself not to be a top 5 pick.
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Maybe they'll both be great, maybe they will both suck. who knows?
LOL....the quandary that has been perplexing GM's and Coaches for decades.
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Point being, for a team like this that has some serious needs, I'll take a versatile, steady, highly-regarded professional over a guy with a handful of highlight-reel plays, some (supposed) disappearing acts, and "humorous" antics.
Look, I'm not gonna go all rich/Ghoolie on us if we take Rey over Curry, I'm just liking Curry more at the moment.
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Point being, for a team like this that has some serious needs, I'll take a versatile, steady, highly-regarded professional over a guy with a handful of highlight-reel plays, some (supposed) disappearing acts, and "humorous" antics.
Look, I'm not gonna go all rich/Ghoolie on us if we take Rey over Curry, I'm just liking Curry more at the moment.
mz. said:
Point being, for a team like this that has some serious needs, I'll take a versatile, steady, highly-regarded professional over a guy with a handful of highlight-reel plays, some (supposed) disappearing acts, and "humorous" antics.Look, I'm not gonna go all rich/Ghoolie on us if we take Rey over Curry, I'm just liking Curry more at the moment.
One think about Mangini, he believes in taking guys with high character. I also like Curry. With all the Jrs. now coming out Curry is the only one holding his spot in the Top 5. With all the QB deficient teams in the top of the draft, I think Rey could drop out of the top ten or at least to 10.
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You are brilliant my man,,,,,,,,,even though you have been nearly 100% wrong on all things..........I am going to use your brilliance for all future ideas........meanwhile.......BOY DO YOU STINK IN ALL YOU SAY..the worst part is you have never admitted being wrong going on 97 out of a 100............oh my
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mz. said:
Point being, for a team like this that has some serious needs, I'll take a versatile, steady, highly-regarded professional over a guy with a handful of highlight-reel plays, some (supposed) disappearing acts, and "humorous" antics.Look, I'm not gonna go all rich/Ghoolie on us if we take Rey over Curry, I'm just liking Curry more at the moment.
One think about Mangini, he believes in taking guys with high character. I also like Curry. With all the Jrs. now coming out Curry is the only one holding his spot in the Top 5. With all the QB deficient teams in the top of the draft, I think Rey could drop out of the top ten or at least to 10.
I think Rey could drop out of the top ten or at least to 10.
I'm almost positive he will at this point. I have a hard time seeing him in a Browns uni unless we trade back...he will not be picked #5.
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I think Rey could drop out of the top ten or at least to 10.
I'm almost positive he will at this point. I have a hard time seeing him in a Browns uni unless we trade back...he will not be picked #5.
mz. said:
I'm almost positive he will at this point. I have a hard time seeing him in a Browns uni unless we trade back...he will not be picked #5.Funny you say that, look at my sig
haha
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