Grossi On Lombardi
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There is nothing about the Lombardi hire that feels like the right move ... so I have the feeling the Browns finally nailed something
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Zombo said:
There is nothing about the Lombardi hire that feels like the right move ... so I have the feeling the Browns finally nailed something
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Sorry-
1) If it looks like it stinks, it does stink. Good coffee fetcher for Banner in Philly.
2)His draft record is 90% pure shit.
3) If he had such great GM potential, why was he out of the league for 5 years?
4) Who else was hot on the trail of this turd for a team management job? Answer: NO ONE.
5) Other owners sure scammed newbie owner Haslam. Yup, that Lombardi guy is a great hire- hire him and we'll be able to beat your ass for another couple of years until you figure it out (like the rest of the NFL already did) the guy is a dunce.
6) Joe Haden is "too slow", I'd take Brady Quinn over Joe Thomas, Josh Gordon was a bad move. Need anymore reasons when April rolls around, to lock this guy out of the draft room?
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I do not particularly like the lombardi hire but then again i am far from a joe banner fan as well..
IMHO i believe jimmy haslam has surrendered to joe banner and has allowed himself to be surrounded with some fairly incompetent people in the war room when the draft rolls around in late april i will put the blame or success squarely on joe banners tiny little shoulders for what happens on draft day..
While i do not care much for our top brass selections when it comes to the war room i do very much approve of our new coaching staff..
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Haslam speak with forked tongue.
I agree, they were intent on hiring this loser all along. I hope Jimmy knows Lombardi will get zero slack from the media and fans. His first draft had better be a home run. Also hope Chud has final say on who they draft, not the GM.
I agree, they were intent on hiring this loser all along. I hope Jimmy knows Lombardi will get zero slack from the media and fans. His first draft had better be a home run. Also hope Chud has final say on who they draft, not the GM.
If it isn't a homer, then what? Are you going to give up your season tickets?
I may not be all that big on the hire, but I sure am glad Haslam doesn't let fan reaction or media interference sway his decisions.
That would be a loser proposition.
Me, I'll wait and take it as it comes rather than get all worked up before anything bad happens.
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I agree, they were intent on hiring this loser all along. I hope Jimmy knows Lombardi will get zero slack from the media and fans. His first draft had better be a home run. Also hope Chud has final say on who they draft, not the GM.
If it isn't a homer, then what? Are you going to give up your season tickets?
I may not be all that big on the hire, but I sure am glad Haslam doesn't let fan reaction or media interference sway his decisions.
That would be a loser proposition.
Me, I'll wait and take it as it comes rather than get all worked up before anything bad happens.
Me, I'll wait and take it as it comes rather than get all worked up before anything bad happens.
I'm with you, I'm neither convinced it was a horrible hire nor overly optimistic about it, let's wait and see and give it a chance.
It's really interesting to see how much passion the people who are against the hire show. I'm not sure where this is all coming from, is it just because of his past? How much does the negative Cleveland media play into this?
6) Joe Haden is "too slow", I'd take Brady Quinn over Joe Thomas, Josh Gordon was a bad move. Need anymore reasons when April rolls around, to lock this guy out of the draft room?
I'm not going to hold everything he's said on tv against him. It's his job to come out and say stuff like this.
To Lombardi's credit he has said that Haden is a "blue chip" top5 corner.
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Zombo said:
There is nothing about the Lombardi hire that feels like the right move ... so I have the feeling the Browns finally nailed something
Z
Sorry-
1) If it looks like it stinks, it does stink. Good coffee fetcher for Banner in Philly.
2)His draft record is 90% pure shit.
3) If he had such great GM potential, why was he out of the league for 5 years?
4) Who else was hot on the trail of this turd for a team management job? Answer: NO ONE.
5) Other owners sure scammed newbie owner Haslam. Yup, that Lombardi guy is a great hire- hire him and we'll be able to beat your ass for another couple of years until you figure it out (like the rest of the NFL already did) the guy is a dunce.
6) Joe Haden is "too slow", I'd take Brady Quinn over Joe Thomas, Josh Gordon was a bad move. Need anymore reasons when April rolls around, to lock this guy out of the draft room?
Sorry-
1) If it looks like it stinks, it does stink. Good coffee fetcher for Banner in Philly.
2)His draft record is 90% pure shit.
3) If he had such great GM potential, why was he out of the league for 5 years?
4) Who else was hot on the trail of this turd for a team management job? Answer: NO ONE.
5) Other owners sure scammed newbie owner Haslam. Yup, that Lombardi guy is a great hire- hire him and we'll be able to beat your ass for another couple of years until you figure it out (like the rest of the NFL already did) the guy is a dunce.
6) Joe Haden is "too slow", I'd take Brady Quinn over Joe Thomas, Josh Gordon was a bad move. Need anymore reasons when April rolls around, to lock this guy out of the draft room?
I understand all that, Larry.
But, to a degree, I bought in on Butch Davis, and Savage, and Mangini and Holmgren and Heckert etc ... because, as a fan, I attached myself to the positive.
But with Lombardi, I see no positive to latch on to. No hope to inspire me.
Which leads me to believe that he will be a roaring success.
Zombo
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Sorry-
1) If it looks like it stinks, it does stink. Good coffee fetcher for Banner in Philly.
2)His draft record is 90% pure shit.
3) If he had such great GM potential, why was he out of the league for 5 years?
4) Who else was hot on the trail of this turd for a team management job? Answer: NO ONE.
5) Other owners sure scammed newbie owner Haslam. Yup, that Lombardi guy is a great hire- hire him and we'll be able to beat your ass for another couple of years until you figure it out (like the rest of the NFL already did) the guy is a dunce.
6) Joe Haden is "too slow", I'd take Brady Quinn over Joe Thomas, Josh Gordon was a bad move. Need anymore reasons when April rolls around, to lock this guy out of the draft room?
I understand all that, Larry.
But, to a degree, I bought in on Butch Davis, and Savage, and Mangini and Holmgren and Heckert etc ... because, as a fan, I attached myself to the positive.
But with Lombardi, I see no positive to latch on to. No hope to inspire me.
Which leads me to believe that he will be a roaring success.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I understand all that, Larry.
But, to a degree, I bought in on Butch Davis, and Savage, and Mangini and Holmgren and Heckert etc ... because, as a fan, I attached myself to the positive.
But with Lombardi, I see no positive to latch on to. No hope to inspire me.
Which leads me to believe that he will be a roaring success.
Zombo
I'm excited about the coaching staff, if we succeed this time I could see Lombardi taking more credit than he deserves if everything they say about him is true.
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Kind of like the Lotto.
I could make my fortune by selling my numbers as numbers that won't be picked.
In the last game I had two tickets with 11 different numbers....one number was on both tickets. None were picked, and it's like that nearly every time I buy tickets.
A buck a player for me tp provide 12 numbers that won't be selected....that would improve other players odds a great deal.
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Zombo said:
I understand all that, Larry.
But, to a degree, I bought in on Butch Davis, and Savage, and Mangini and Holmgren and Heckert etc ... because, as a fan, I attached myself to the positive.
But with Lombardi, I see no positive to latch on to. No hope to inspire me.
Which leads me to believe that he will be a roaring success.
Zombo
I'm excited about the coaching staff, if we succeed this time I could see Lombardi taking more credit than he deserves if everything they say about him is true.
I'm excited about the coaching staff, if we succeed this time I could see Lombardi taking more credit than he deserves if everything they say about him is true.
I am REAL excited about the coaching staff.
Chud was the type of guy I had in the back of my mind all along. Younger NFL assistant with no HC coach experience, but with success running an NFL offense. Vertical passing offense. Panthers players called him the "mad genius" type, without a warm personality ... love it! That doesn't describe the two coaches in the Super bowl this year ... but it sure as hell describes the two that were there last year. Ohio roots is a plus.
Norv Turner: If you give him talent he will produce a top offense. Everyone thinks of him and the passing game, but five different times, with three different teams, he has had the #1 rusher in the NFL in his offense.
Ray Horton: The most sought-after defensive guy out there. We hired him as DC about 5 minutes after he learned he wasn't going to be a HC. Glad we waited, wasn't enamored with the other names being bandied about. He's not married to 3-4 or 4-3, he's a hybrid guy and that means he will work with the talent he is given, we don't have to retool an entire young defense to fit a certain scheme.
We kept Tabor as well, who is getting a reputation as one of the best ST coaches out there.
Yes, I love the coaching staff. Love the new ownership, the changes to the franchise .... I'm lukewarm on Banner and cold on Lombardi though ... but I am 100% ready to for them to convince me they are going to turn this franchise into a winner. Just do it. For the Love of God ... do it!
Zombo
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Gotta admit, after the on-field shite we've watched masquerading as an NFL team over the past 12 years.
you can color me pretty fookin' jaded. If we get to the halfway point of the '13 season and our record
is better than 2-6, I might start to get excited. Until then...
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Lombardi was a dumb hire, a retread. Go after Trent Gamble from 9ers, that team in 2 years is in the super bowl, he scouted Kaepernick, he was part of a team that found talent. He is young and up and coming.
Better yet keep Heckert, Clev had little talent and little depth when he came, now this team has depth and talent.
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Sorry-
1) If it looks like it stinks, it does stink. Good coffee fetcher for Banner in Philly.
2)His draft record is 90% pure shit.
3) If he had such great GM potential, why was he out of the league for 5 years?
4) Who else was hot on the trail of this turd for a team management job? Answer: NO ONE.
5) Other owners sure scammed newbie owner Haslam. Yup, that Lombardi guy is a great hire- hire him and we'll be able to beat your ass for another couple of years until you figure it out (like the rest of the NFL already did) the guy is a dunce.
6) Joe Haden is "too slow", I'd take Brady Quinn over Joe Thomas, Josh Gordon was a bad move. Need anymore reasons when April rolls around, to lock this guy out of the draft room?
I understand all that, Larry.
But, to a degree, I bought in on Butch Davis, and Savage, and Mangini and Holmgren and Heckert etc ... because, as a fan, I attached myself to the positive.
But with Lombardi, I see no positive to latch on to. No hope to inspire me.
Which leads me to believe that he will be a roaring success.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I understand all that, Larry.
But, to a degree, I bought in on Butch Davis, and Savage, and Mangini and Holmgren and Heckert etc ... because, as a fan, I attached myself to the positive.
But with Lombardi, I see no positive to latch on to. No hope to inspire me.
Which leads me to believe that he will be a roaring success.
Zombo
It's scary how much our fanbase has in common with battered women.
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Let's put it this way:
Bottom line, with these hires, the honeymoon is over. The fans are NOT going to give this organization "time" to do things right. They need to do things right from the giddyup.
Their free agent acquisitions must be substantial and productive. Their draft choice must be 80% hits. Their decisions on who or who not to retain from the current roster must be accurate and defensible.
They have no choice but to succeed, because come about 4 games into next season, if things are not looking good, they will become like Spartacus and his group: they will ALL be crucified.
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Let's put it this way:
Bottom line, with these hires, the honeymoon is over. The fans are NOT going to give this organization "time" to do things right. They need to do things right from the giddyup.
Their free agent acquisitions must be substantial and productive. Their draft choice must be 80% hits. Their decisions on who or who not to retain from the current roster must be accurate and defensible.
They have no choice but to succeed, because come about 4 games into next season, if things are not looking good, they will become like Spartacus and his group: they will ALL be crucified.
Let's put it this way:
Bottom line, with these hires, the honeymoon is over. The fans are NOT going to give this organization "time" to do things right. They need to do things right from the giddyup.
Their free agent acquisitions must be substantial and productive. Their draft choice must be 80% hits. Their decisions on who or who not to retain from the current roster must be accurate and defensible.
They have no choice but to succeed, because come about 4 games into next season, if things are not looking good, they will become like Spartacus and his group: they will ALL be crucified.
^+1 What's done is done, and I'll back off on the Lombardi hire (for the time being). No need for me to turn into a Ghoolie style Lombardi basher, you guys know how I feel about the hire. But for starters with the #6 pick they had better pick up a stud Pro Bowl caliber player, or trade out of it for a couple Phil Taylors.
PS if you listen to the Nance interview, sounds like he's claiming the Jamarcus Russell pick was all on Al Davis, Lombardi wanted no part of it.
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