Spot Checks
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Everything that concerns gun control is a stupid idea to you, but no one has answered my simple question: who is going to pay for mental health reform? Who?
The same people that would pay for this. I don't understand how the government divvies up the money, and they seem to be able to create it out of thin air. Balancing the budget doesn't concern me at all when discussing these (or any) solutions. Therefore, I'd argue that the costs for overhauls of each proposal would be similar. The benefits of them couldn't be further from each other.
What are the benefits of a spot check? A bunch of people who are greatly inconvenienced and giving up a constitutionally guaranteed liberty (see the fourth amendment). The only people who will have to go through this hassle are those who legally purchased guns (even though we know that the vast majority of gun crimes are from illegal guns). You're saying it's a privilege to own a gun, that's fine, but if you legally own a gun, you're not seeing these checks as a privilege, you're seeing them as a punishment for following the law. Meanwhile, the money spent conducting spot checks on law-abiding citizens could rather be spent on trying to get illegal guns off the street (which your solution to the problem ignores).
The benefits of a mental health system overhaul? Firstly, you're not challenging any of the constitution by putting money into healthcare, unlike spot checks (which as I stated earlier would be opposed by the NRA AND the ACLU). How many violent crimes is it going to stop? Who knows. But what it will do is help reduce the stigma of mental illnesses such as depression (which 20% of Americans have!), and make treatment more available for those who are afflicted.
My point is, you don't know the effect either proposal will have on gun crimes, but you can take a look at what else will change. A spot check system would just be a huge inconvenience for people who follow the law and a surrender of constitutional rights. At least with a mental health overhaul, more people will be able to get the treatment they need for mental illness.
The same people that would pay for this. I don't understand how the government divvies up the money, and they seem to be able to create it out of thin air. Balancing the budget doesn't concern me at all when discussing these (or any) solutions. Therefore, I'd argue that the costs for overhauls of each proposal would be similar. The benefits of them couldn't be further from each other.
What are the benefits of a spot check? A bunch of people who are greatly inconvenienced and giving up a constitutionally guaranteed liberty (see the fourth amendment). The only people who will have to go through this hassle are those who legally purchased guns (even though we know that the vast majority of gun crimes are from illegal guns). You're saying it's a privilege to own a gun, that's fine, but if you legally own a gun, you're not seeing these checks as a privilege, you're seeing them as a punishment for following the law. Meanwhile, the money spent conducting spot checks on law-abiding citizens could rather be spent on trying to get illegal guns off the street (which your solution to the problem ignores).
The benefits of a mental health system overhaul? Firstly, you're not challenging any of the constitution by putting money into healthcare, unlike spot checks (which as I stated earlier would be opposed by the NRA AND the ACLU). How many violent crimes is it going to stop? Who knows. But what it will do is help reduce the stigma of mental illnesses such as depression (which 20% of Americans have!), and make treatment more available for those who are afflicted.
My point is, you don't know the effect either proposal will have on gun crimes, but you can take a look at what else will change. A spot check system would just be a huge inconvenience for people who follow the law and a surrender of constitutional rights. At least with a mental health overhaul, more people will be able to get the treatment they need for mental illness.
Wishful thinking. When it comes time to pay for it I guarantee republicans stymie it.
Btw. Ive said before in this very thread that home inspections would have to be but one of a wide range of initiatives designed to slow murderous gun rampages.
Also the NRA doesn't want mass shootings to stop. At all. It's good for their business after all.
Meanwhile there were more school shootings today. A five year old is being held in a bunker by a gunman today, and he will be killed I have no doubt. A prosecuter was gunned down on Texas. There was a shooting at a mediation yesterday.
If someone is cutting their own wrists is your priority to get the knife away first? Or examine what caused it first?
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The same people that would pay for this. I don't understand how the government divvies up the money, and they seem to be able to create it out of thin air. Balancing the budget doesn't concern me at all when discussing these (or any) solutions. Therefore, I'd argue that the costs for overhauls of each proposal would be similar. The benefits of them couldn't be further from each other.
What are the benefits of a spot check? A bunch of people who are greatly inconvenienced and giving up a constitutionally guaranteed liberty (see the fourth amendment). The only people who will have to go through this hassle are those who legally purchased guns (even though we know that the vast majority of gun crimes are from illegal guns). You're saying it's a privilege to own a gun, that's fine, but if you legally own a gun, you're not seeing these checks as a privilege, you're seeing them as a punishment for following the law. Meanwhile, the money spent conducting spot checks on law-abiding citizens could rather be spent on trying to get illegal guns off the street (which your solution to the problem ignores).
The benefits of a mental health system overhaul? Firstly, you're not challenging any of the constitution by putting money into healthcare, unlike spot checks (which as I stated earlier would be opposed by the NRA AND the ACLU). How many violent crimes is it going to stop? Who knows. But what it will do is help reduce the stigma of mental illnesses such as depression (which 20% of Americans have!), and make treatment more available for those who are afflicted.
My point is, you don't know the effect either proposal will have on gun crimes, but you can take a look at what else will change. A spot check system would just be a huge inconvenience for people who follow the law and a surrender of constitutional rights. At least with a mental health overhaul, more people will be able to get the treatment they need for mental illness.
Wishful thinking. When it comes time to pay for it I guarantee republicans stymie it.
Btw. Ive said before in this very thread that home inspections would have to be but one of a wide range of initiatives designed to slow murderous gun rampages.
Also the NRA doesn't want mass shootings to stop. At all. It's good for their business after all.
Meanwhile there were more school shootings today. A five year old is being held in a bunker by a gunman today, and he will be killed I have no doubt. A prosecuter was gunned down on Texas. There was a shooting at a mediation yesterday.
If someone is cutting their own wrists is your priority to get the knife away first? Or examine what caused it first?
Wishful thinking. When it comes time to pay for it I guarantee republicans stymie it.
Btw. Ive said before in this very thread that home inspections would have to be but one of a wide range of initiatives designed to slow murderous gun rampages.
Also the NRA doesn't want mass shootings to stop. At all. It's good for their business after all.
Meanwhile there were more school shootings today. A five year old is being held in a bunker by a gunman today, and he will be killed I have no doubt. A prosecuter was gunned down on Texas. There was a shooting at a mediation yesterday.
If someone is cutting their own wrists is your priority to get the knife away first? Or examine what caused it first?
I think that Cysco wants to establish a George Orwell type of Government i.e., 1984. We can have telescreens, thought police the whole nine yards. Give away all kinds of freedoms so them crazy bastards can't buy a gun.
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Wishful thinking. When it comes time to pay for it I guarantee republicans stymie it.
Btw. Ive said before in this very thread that home inspections would have to be but one of a wide range of initiatives designed to slow murderous gun rampages.
Also the NRA doesn't want mass shootings to stop. At all. It's good for their business after all.
Meanwhile there were more school shootings today. A five year old is being held in a bunker by a gunman today, and he will be killed I have no doubt. A prosecuter was gunned down on Texas. There was a shooting at a mediation yesterday.
If someone is cutting their own wrists is your priority to get the knife away first? Or examine what caused it first?
I think that Cysco wants to establish a George Orwell type of Government i.e., 1984. We can have telescreens, thought police the whole nine yards. Give away all kinds of freedoms so them crazy bastards can't buy a gun.
I think that Cysco wants to establish a George Orwell type of Government i.e., 1984. We can have telescreens, thought police the whole nine yards. Give away all kinds of freedoms so them crazy bastards can't buy a gun.
I'm surprised you've even heard of orwell. In your fear of a dystopian future you're ignoring the dystopian future we live in.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Yeah, I'm completely unwilling to go along with this idea. What exactly are they gonna check for, the owners being too black? Being a registered gun owner should NOT mean that you are submitting yourself to mandatory searches and potential seizures.
Yeah, I'm completely unwilling to go along with this idea. What exactly are they gonna check for, the owners being too black? Being a registered gun owner should NOT mean that you are submitting yourself to mandatory searches and potential seizures.
Actually if they look too Filipino.
But seriously you have a license, a registration, for a firearm.
Just like you do for your car.
With your car the cops can pull you over for anything and submit you to test, right?
So they spot check the house, much in the same manner.
Hello sir we know that you have 39 millimeter pistols registered here could we see where they are being kept?
Uh let's see ones under the kids bed the other 1 is over by the crack pipe.
But actually you know what I mean if they're not safely secured as required they can get flned.
Or they can get the license revoked.
Think about it you can't even drive or start your car if a passenger in the back seat has an open beer.
Those spot checks are completely legitimate, at least under today's law.
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
Check points on the roads are perfectly constitutional whether you've done something wrong or not.
These are only allowed when the police make it public knowledge were these checkpoints will be. They just can't set one up anywhere or anytime. Atleast not in Ohio.
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Gun inspectors? LOL
For cryin out loud.
1. Fire inspectors don't inspect HOMES, they inspect businesses. Home inspectors are hired to inspect for purchasing a used home, or a new home.
As it is, a home being built, is on schedule, inspected to comply with buidling regs. That is before the home is owned by the future owner.
2. Stopping a car for "weaving" ??? There is no Constitutional guarantee of car ownership, or driving privacy.
3. The safety and security of HOMES is guaranteed to be safe from random gov intrusion. I"m sure that nutjob Bloopberg of NY would have
:random inspections" of homes for sugar, guns, salt, butter.....it's all bs.
4. Isn't that profiling, to go after gun owners for special harrassment?
5. Trust me, and I"m not the only one who knows this.... a "scheduled random check" is dumb- you can rely on people all of a sudden locking up their gun(s)
and complying during the check. Like Inspector General inspections. Scheduled, and all of a sudden in the military, the enlisted mess hall looks beautiful,
....really nice table cloths, place settings, flowers, fancy napkins, you betcha. Day After Inspection? Gone like a freight train. LOL. Back to normal.
Won't work, is a silly idea.
6. I don't have time for six. Gotta run....
Everything that concerns gun control is a stupid idea to you, but no one has answered my simple question: who is going to pay for mental health reform? Who?
Everything that concerns gun control is a stupid idea to you, but no one has answered my simple question: who is going to pay for mental health reform? Who?
Legalize pot and use the taxes from that to pay for it. 2 problems solved with one joint
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Everything that concerns gun control is a stupid idea to you, but no one has answered my simple question: who is going to pay for mental health reform? Who?
Legalize pot and use the taxes from that to pay for it. 2 problems solved with one joint
Legalize pot and use the taxes from that to pay for it. 2 problems solved with one joint
Sin tax ammunition to ten times its actual worth like they've done to cigarettes. Using that to help reform mental health will make a positive statement.
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I'm for the legalization of pot btw. Why not? It's a lot less harmful than alcohol.
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I think that Cysco wants to establish a George Orwell type of Government i.e., 1984. We can have telescreens, thought police the whole nine yards. Give away all kinds of freedoms so them crazy bastards can't buy a gun.
I'm surprised you've even heard of orwell. In your fear of a dystopian future you're ignoring the dystopian future we live in.
I'm surprised you've even heard of orwell. In your fear of a dystopian future you're ignoring the dystopian future we live in.
I read Orwell in the 1960's dude. Get real.
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I'm surprised you've even heard of orwell. In your fear of a dystopian future you're ignoring the dystopian future we live in.
I read Orwell in the 1960's dude. Get real.
I read Orwell in the 1960's dude. Get real.
Who gives a shit?
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I read Orwell in the 1960's dude. Get real.
Who gives a shit?
Who gives a shit?
Obviously you asshole.
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Who gives a shit?
Obviously you asshole.
Obviously you asshole.
You, the guy who says you're welcome to poor people using an e.b.t. card, calling anyone an asshole is humorous. And here I thought cal was the more clever wingnut. Kudos.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Obviously you asshole.
You, the guy who says you're welcome to poor people using an e.b.t. card, calling anyone an asshole is humorous. And here I thought cal was the more clever wingnut. Kudos.
You, the guy who says you're welcome to poor people using an e.b.t. card, calling anyone an asshole is humorous. And here I thought cal was the more clever wingnut. Kudos.
Cysco quite frankly you come off as somewhat crazy in your posts. But whatever dude. Keep em coming!
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Yeah, I'm completely unwilling to go along with this idea. What exactly are they gonna check for, the owners being too black? Being a registered gun owner should NOT mean that you are submitting yourself to mandatory searches and potential seizures.
Actually if they look too Filipino.
But seriously you have a license, a registration, for a firearm.
Just like you do for your car.
With your car the cops can pull you over for anything and submit you to test, right?
So they spot check the house, much in the same manner.
Hello sir we know that you have 39 millimeter pistols registered here could we see where they are being kept?
Uh let's see ones under the kids bed the other 1 is over by the crack pipe.
But actually you know what I mean if they're not safely secured as required they can get flned.
Or they can get the license revoked.
Think about it you can't even drive or start your car if a passenger in the back seat has an open beer.
Those spot checks are completely legitimate, at least under today's law.
WSS
With your car the cops can pull you over for anything and submit you to test, right?
No, actually. They need your permission to search the car unless they have reason to do so (like you get pulled over for speeding and they see an open beer can in the back). The ACLU has a field day with cases like that where the person did nothing wrong and the cops search without a warrant and without reasonable cause.
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You, the guy who says you're welcome to poor people using an e.b.t. card, calling anyone an asshole is humorous. And here I thought cal was the more clever wingnut. Kudos.
Cysco quite frankly you come off as somewhat crazy in your posts. But whatever dude. Keep em coming!
Cysco quite frankly you come off as somewhat crazy in your posts. But whatever dude. Keep em coming!
Pot, meet kettle.
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The NRA wants mass murders?
This, Cysko, is where you are looking like a moron.
Taxing ammo to ten times ...what?
That type of simpleton emotional outburst will accomplish:
1. More hundreds of thousands of people joining the NRA. The NRA grows to even greater size, greater power. Cool.
2. Ammo is flying off the shelves already, talk of using price as a weapon will ramp up production, and increase ammo hoarding. Nice job.
3. Bashing the NRA is a diversion from true solutions, making the left, as usual, not only counter-productive and their own worst enemy...
but also a major reason mass murders still take place - the left puts political victories ahead of unborn children, why not up their bet
and put them ahead of gun violence victimes, right?
4. You aren't making any rational sense. I'm thinking you should try some of those chewy vitamins and a stool softener, because for the most part of this
discussion, you are full of it and may be suffering from maltrution - just a guess.....
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Obviously you asshole.
You, the guy who says you're welcome to poor people using an e.b.t. card, calling anyone an asshole is humorous. And here I thought cal was the more clever wingnut. Kudos.
You, the guy who says you're welcome to poor people using an e.b.t. card, calling anyone an asshole is humorous. And here I thought cal was the more clever wingnut. Kudos.
I am the one who say's you're welcome....
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You, the guy who says you're welcome to poor people using an e.b.t. card, calling anyone an asshole is humorous. And here I thought cal was the more clever wingnut. Kudos.
I am the one who say's you're welcome....
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The NRA wants mass murders?
This, Cysko, is where you are looking like a moron.
Taxing ammo to ten times ...what?
That type of simpleton emotional outburst will accomplish:
1. More hundreds of thousands of people joining the NRA. The NRA grows to even greater size, greater power. Cool.
2. Ammo is flying off the shelves already, talk of using price as a weapon will ramp up production, and increase ammo hoarding. Nice job.
3. Bashing the NRA is a diversion from true solutions, making the left, as usual, not only counter-productive and their own worst enemy...
but also a major reason mass murders still take place - the left puts political victories ahead of unborn children, why not up their bet
and put them ahead of gun violence victimes, right?
4. You aren't making any rational sense. I'm thinking you should try some of those chewy vitamins and a stool softener, because for the most part of this
discussion, you are full of it and may be suffering from maltrution - just a guess.....
The NRA wants mass murders?
This, Cysko, is where you are looking like a moron.
Taxing ammo to ten times ...what?
That type of simpleton emotional outburst will accomplish:
1. More hundreds of thousands of people joining the NRA. The NRA grows to even greater size, greater power. Cool.
2. Ammo is flying off the shelves already, talk of using price as a weapon will ramp up production, and increase ammo hoarding. Nice job.
3. Bashing the NRA is a diversion from true solutions, making the left, as usual, not only counter-productive and their own worst enemy...
but also a major reason mass murders still take place - the left puts political victories ahead of unborn children, why not up their bet
and put them ahead of gun violence victimes, right?
4. You aren't making any rational sense. I'm thinking you should try some of those chewy vitamins and a stool softener, because for the most part of this
discussion, you are full of it and may be suffering from maltrution - just a guess.....
The nra is a business. Every mass murder is good for the business, bottom line.
texting ammo is a great idea you don't like it so it sounds crazy to you
not having any form of gun control sounds crazy to me.
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With your car the cops can pull you over for anything and submit you to test, right?
No, actually. They need your permission to search the car unless they have reason to do so (like you get pulled over for speeding and they see an open beer can in the back). The ACLU has a field day with cases like that where the person did nothing wrong and the cops search without a warrant and without reasonable cause.
No, actually. They need your permission to search the car unless they have reason to do so (like you get pulled over for speeding and they see an open beer can in the back). The ACLU has a field day with cases like that where the person did nothing wrong and the cops search without a warrant and without reasonable cause.
While that's technically the case I don't think many officers need more than the weaving excuse.
We were at a winery, Susan had nothing to drink, and about a mile or 2 from it we were pulled over for, get this, going the speed limit.
There was a curve and a yellow triangular sign with 25 as in miles per hour on it.
She slowed to 25 and the officer pulled us over wanting to know why we were driving so slowly.
As for searching your car it's perfectly alright to search anything they can see through the windows.
And in most, if not all, States it is illegal to tint your windows so they can't see in.
But at the end of the day do you think drunk driving is serious or not?
If Susan had been drunk that officer might have saved someone's life.
And it was probably a good guess seeing a car leaving a winery, ya think?
So I'd say that stands true for gun violence.
It's not too weird to imagine that a hell of a lot of guns fall into the wrong hands because the owners don't keep them secure, how about it?
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
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