Spot Checks
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No, actually. They need your permission to search the car unless they have reason to do so (like you get pulled over for speeding and they see an open beer can in the back). The ACLU has a field day with cases like that where the person did nothing wrong and the cops search without a warrant and without reasonable cause.
While that's technically the case I don't think many officers need more than the weaving excuse.
We were at a winery, Susan had nothing to drink, and about a mile or 2 from it we were pulled over for, get this, going the speed limit.
There was a curve and a yellow triangular sign with 25 as in miles per hour on it.
She slowed to 25 and the officer pulled us over wanting to know why we were driving so slowly.
As for searching your car it's perfectly alright to search anything they can see through the windows.
And in most, if not all, States it is illegal to tint your windows so they can't see in.
But at the end of the day do you think drunk driving is serious or not?
If Susan had been drunk that officer might have saved someone's life.
And it was probably a good guess seeing a car leaving a winery, ya think?
So I'd say that stands true for gun violence.
It's not too weird to imagine that a hell of a lot of guns fall into the wrong hands because the owners don't keep them secure, how about it?
WSS
While that's technically the case I don't think many officers need more than the weaving excuse.
We were at a winery, Susan had nothing to drink, and about a mile or 2 from it we were pulled over for, get this, going the speed limit.
There was a curve and a yellow triangular sign with 25 as in miles per hour on it.
She slowed to 25 and the officer pulled us over wanting to know why we were driving so slowly.
As for searching your car it's perfectly alright to search anything they can see through the windows.
And in most, if not all, States it is illegal to tint your windows so they can't see in.
But at the end of the day do you think drunk driving is serious or not?
If Susan had been drunk that officer might have saved someone's life.
And it was probably a good guess seeing a car leaving a winery, ya think?
So I'd say that stands true for gun violence.
It's not too weird to imagine that a hell of a lot of guns fall into the wrong hands because the owners don't keep them secure, how about it?
WSS
Yeah, but she wasn't drunk. I'd rather a checkpoint be set up than to get pulled over for leaving a bar. Of course I think drunk driving is a problem, but your story doesn't justify why spot checks should exist. Most of the time, the cop's not going to find shit if he's just pulling people over for doing the speed limit. Either way, a car search is much, much different than a home search.
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While that's technically the case I don't think many officers need more than the weaving excuse.
We were at a winery, Susan had nothing to drink, and about a mile or 2 from it we were pulled over for, get this, going the speed limit.
There was a curve and a yellow triangular sign with 25 as in miles per hour on it.
She slowed to 25 and the officer pulled us over wanting to know why we were driving so slowly.
As for searching your car it's perfectly alright to search anything they can see through the windows.
And in most, if not all, States it is illegal to tint your windows so they can't see in.
But at the end of the day do you think drunk driving is serious or not?
If Susan had been drunk that officer might have saved someone's life.
And it was probably a good guess seeing a car leaving a winery, ya think?
So I'd say that stands true for gun violence.
It's not too weird to imagine that a hell of a lot of guns fall into the wrong hands because the owners don't keep them secure, how about it?
WSS
Yeah, but she wasn't drunk. I'd rather a checkpoint be set up than to get pulled over for leaving a bar. Of course I think drunk driving is a problem, but your story doesn't justify why spot checks should exist. Most of the time, the cop's not going to find shit if he's just pulling people over for doing the speed limit. Either way, a car search is much, much different than a home search.
Yeah, but she wasn't drunk. I'd rather a checkpoint be set up than to get pulled over for leaving a bar. Of course I think drunk driving is a problem, but your story doesn't justify why spot checks should exist. Most of the time, the cop's not going to find shit if he's just pulling people over for doing the speed limit. Either way, a car search is much, much different than a home search.
Of course announcing a check ahead of time sort of negates any usefulness.
And of course we're not talking about a search of the house, just hello sir could we check to see the weapons you have registered are secured?
Any of you guys, not necessarily you, who think there should be laws requiring firearms to be registered and secured, how else?
After the fact? After your lunatic 22 year old or you're stupid 14 year old take it out of your nightstand and shoot themselves or somebody else?
Charging someone posthumously seems like cold comfort to me.
WSS
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Yeah, but she wasn't drunk. I'd rather a checkpoint be set up than to get pulled over for leaving a bar. Of course I think drunk driving is a problem, but your story doesn't justify why spot checks should exist. Most of the time, the cop's not going to find shit if he's just pulling people over for doing the speed limit. Either way, a car search is much, much different than a home search.
Of course announcing a check ahead of time sort of negates any usefulness.
And of course we're not talking about a search of the house, just hello sir could we check to see the weapons you have registered are secured?
Any of you guys, not necessarily you, who think there should be laws requiring firearms to be registered and secured, how else?
After the fact? After your lunatic 22 year old or you're stupid 14 year old take it out of your nightstand and shoot themselves or somebody else?
Charging someone posthumously seems like cold comfort to me.
WSS
Of course announcing a check ahead of time sort of negates any usefulness.
And of course we're not talking about a search of the house, just hello sir could we check to see the weapons you have registered are secured?
WSS
1 - What do you mean by secure? What if the guy says they're in the gun cabinet? Is he going to bring the gun out to the officer? Of course not! Therefore, it'd be a search of the house.
2 - How often do you expect these checks to take place? The likelihood of these checks occurring between the time a gun gets stolen by a crazy and used to commit a massacre at a school seems astronomically low.
I just fail to see how anyone would benefit from that.
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Of course announcing a check ahead of time sort of negates any usefulness.
And of course we're not talking about a search of the house, just hello sir could we check to see the weapons you have registered are secured?
WSS
1 - What do you mean by secure? What if the guy says they're in the gun cabinet? Is he going to bring the gun out to the officer? Of course not! Therefore, it'd be a search of the house.
2 - How often do you expect these checks to take place? The likelihood of these checks occurring between the time a gun gets stolen by a crazy and used to commit a massacre at a school seems astronomically low.
I just fail to see how anyone would benefit from that.
1 - What do you mean by secure? What if the guy says they're in the gun cabinet? Is he going to bring the gun out to the officer? Of course not! Therefore, it'd be a search of the house.
2 - How often do you expect these checks to take place? The likelihood of these checks occurring between the time a gun gets stolen by a crazy and used to commit a massacre at a school seems astronomically low.
I just fail to see how anyone would benefit from that.
Same way the gas company comes in to check your meter. It's not a search of the house. Just looking at the meter.
Just talking about trying to change behavior a little bit, sorry. Many of the people here have expressed a desire to make it mandatory that your weapons be secure in your home, not laying around accessible to anyone.
If there's no possible way to enforce that then why bother with the law?
Except to provide some sanctimonious politicians with a little air time.
WSS
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1 - What do you mean by secure? What if the guy says they're in the gun cabinet? Is he going to bring the gun out to the officer? Of course not! Therefore, it'd be a search of the house.
2 - How often do you expect these checks to take place? The likelihood of these checks occurring between the time a gun gets stolen by a crazy and used to commit a massacre at a school seems astronomically low.
I just fail to see how anyone would benefit from that.
Same way the gas company comes in to check your meter. It's not a search of the house. Just looking at the meter.
Just talking about trying to change behavior a little bit, sorry. Many of the people here have expressed a desire to make it mandatory that your weapons be secure in your home, not laying around accessible to anyone.
If there's no possible way to enforce that then why bother with the law?
Except to provide some sanctimonious politicians with a little air time.
WSS
Same way the gas company comes in to check your meter. It's not a search of the house. Just looking at the meter.
Just talking about trying to change behavior a little bit, sorry. Many of the people here have expressed a desire to make it mandatory that your weapons be secure in your home, not laying around accessible to anyone.
If there's no possible way to enforce that then why bother with the law?
Except to provide some sanctimonious politicians with a little air time.
WSS
Steve, the gas man checking the meter is completely different than a cop ensuring your guns are "secured." Last time I checked, I don't think anyone stores their guns outside of their house.
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The gas meters when they are in the basement.
So do you think there should be a law requiring you take measures to secure your weapons in your home or not?
It's fine with me if you don't, just curious.
Do you think the health department should you spot checks in public eateries?
WSS
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Sorry Steve, it's a horrible idea. And quite different from comparing gas/electric meter readers to someone coming into your home unannounced to inspect your weapons. I just think it is a ridiculous idea.
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Sorry Steve, it's a horrible idea. And quite different from comparing gas/electric meter readers to someone coming into your home unannounced to inspect your weapons. I just think it is a ridiculous idea.
Sorry Steve, it's a horrible idea. And quite different from comparing gas/electric meter readers to someone coming into your home unannounced to inspect your weapons. I just think it is a ridiculous idea.
Why is it ridiculous? Do you just leave your weapons lying around where they could be stolen anytime you're not home? That would be highly irresponsible.
How about this? They mandate a law where a gun safe is necessary and it sends a signal to a monitoring company via gsm radio, phone or internet whenever the gun safe is opened, prompting them to call you and verify that you've removed the weapons. If you don't answer they call the cops.
Same as any alarm system?
Would that be too invasive for you? What if it were part of your home insurance?
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
This would be not so much a gun control measure but more a way to keep them from being stolen, whether by a robber, or by Adam Lanza, and the greico family killer, who are the real problem.
How about you only have to have it if you have dependants, of any kind, living in the house, how about that?
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Cysko, please see point 2 in post 54
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In addition to the other stuff he contributes, Cysko also does a wonderful job of advertising his industry.
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Sorry Steve, it's a horrible idea. And quite different from comparing gas/electric meter readers to someone coming into your home unannounced to inspect your weapons. I just think it is a ridiculous idea.
Why is it ridiculous? Do you just leave your weapons lying around where they could be stolen anytime you're not home? That would be highly irresponsible.
How about this? They mandate a law where a gun safe is necessary and it sends a signal to a monitoring company via gsm radio, phone or internet whenever the gun safe is opened, prompting them to call you and verify that you've removed the weapons. If you don't answer they call the cops.
Same as any alarm system?
Would that be too invasive for you? What if it were part of your home insurance?
Why is it ridiculous? Do you just leave your weapons lying around where they could be stolen anytime you're not home? That would be highly irresponsible.
How about this? They mandate a law where a gun safe is necessary and it sends a signal to a monitoring company via gsm radio, phone or internet whenever the gun safe is opened, prompting them to call you and verify that you've removed the weapons. If you don't answer they call the cops.
Same as any alarm system?
Would that be too invasive for you? What if it were part of your home insurance?
lol, you have to check in with ADT every time you put your gun into or out of your safe? Yes, that's invasive and annoying.
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Why is it ridiculous? Do you just leave your weapons lying around where they could be stolen anytime you're not home? That would be highly irresponsible.
How about this? They mandate a law where a gun safe is necessary and it sends a signal to a monitoring company via gsm radio, phone or internet whenever the gun safe is opened, prompting them to call you and verify that you've removed the weapons. If you don't answer they call the cops.
Same as any alarm system?
Would that be too invasive for you? What if it were part of your home insurance?
lol, you have to check in with ADT every time you put your gun into or out of your safe? Yes, that's invasive and annoying.
lol, you have to check in with ADT every time you put your gun into or out of your safe? Yes, that's invasive and annoying.
How about a national database of "lunatics" is that invasive?
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Why is it ridiculous? Do you just leave your weapons lying around where they could be stolen anytime you're not home? That would be highly irresponsible.
How about this? They mandate a law where a gun safe is necessary and it sends a signal to a monitoring company via gsm radio, phone or internet whenever the gun safe is opened, prompting them to call you and verify that you've removed the weapons. If you don't answer they call the cops.
Same as any alarm system?
Would that be too invasive for you? What if it were part of your home insurance?
lol, you have to check in with ADT every time you put your gun into or out of your safe? Yes, that's invasive and annoying.
lol, you have to check in with ADT every time you put your gun into or out of your safe? Yes, that's invasive and annoying.
Youre long on criticism and arguement but quite short on ideas vapor.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Gentleman, some of you took issue with my idea of random spot checks.
Cal I think you mentioned warrants, others brought up some privacy issues etcetera.
Keep in mind that 5 or 10 a day doesn't really eat up much of the police time.
Add those with legally licensed weapons would know they could get checked at any time.
We all agree we don't want them accessible to teenagers or neighbors or friends or whoever, right?
So just remember when you get your license to drive a car you give up a lot of your so called rights.
You can basically be stopped for any reason even if there is none with the pretense of let's say weaving.
Check points on the roads are perfectly constitutional whether you've done something wrong or not.
Police are allowed to do a preliminary search of anything visible from the windows of your car.
Refusepal to show identification or other papers leads to a rest.
Refusal to submit to a battery of tests can result in the loss of your driving privileges and there for your ability to make a living in many cases.
So I wouldn't expect random home checks for weapons would have a very high legal hurdle to jump.
Just saying....
WSS
Gentleman, some of you took issue with my idea of random spot checks.
Cal I think you mentioned warrants, others brought up some privacy issues etcetera.
Keep in mind that 5 or 10 a day doesn't really eat up much of the police time.
Add those with legally licensed weapons would know they could get checked at any time.
We all agree we don't want them accessible to teenagers or neighbors or friends or whoever, right?
So just remember when you get your license to drive a car you give up a lot of your so called rights.
You can basically be stopped for any reason even if there is none with the pretense of let's say weaving.
Check points on the roads are perfectly constitutional whether you've done something wrong or not.
Police are allowed to do a preliminary search of anything visible from the windows of your car.
Refusepal to show identification or other papers leads to a rest.
Refusal to submit to a battery of tests can result in the loss of your driving privileges and there for your ability to make a living in many cases.
So I wouldn't expect random home checks for weapons would have a very high legal hurdle to jump.
Just saying....
WSS
And I'm late to this thread, but this isn't correct, which perhaps some people have already pointed out. The government has a pretty high and established legal hurdle to enter your home. It is not the same thing as your car. It's not even the same thing as the trunk of your car.
We're not going to be doing government "spot checks" of anyone's home in this country. It'd be a clear violation of the 4th amendment.
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Lots of trouble with this and the Castle law found in many states. You ring my doorbell, and if you appear threatening or trespassing, I can shoot you in the face.
I have a good friend who is a game warden. He was a former police officer and says he'd imagine walking a beat at Cabrini Green would be less stressful than trying to sneak up on hunters to attempt to accuse them of doing something wrong or not having all their "t's" crossed and "i's" dotted. You want to talk about "not welcome?" Wow.
Rough gig.
I think mandatory sentencing for crimes committed with your weapon because it was not secured or locked up is the way to go.
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No, actually. They need your permission to search the car unless they have reason to do so (like you get pulled over for speeding and they see an open beer can in the back). The ACLU has a field day with cases like that where the person did nothing wrong and the cops search without a warrant and without reasonable cause.
While that's technically the case I don't think many officers need more than the weaving excuse.
We were at a winery, Susan had nothing to drink, and about a mile or 2 from it we were pulled over for, get this, going the speed limit.
There was a curve and a yellow triangular sign with 25 as in miles per hour on it.
She slowed to 25 and the officer pulled us over wanting to know why we were driving so slowly.
As for searching your car it's perfectly alright to search anything they can see through the windows.
And in most, if not all, States it is illegal to tint your windows so they can't see in.
But at the end of the day do you think drunk driving is serious or not?
If Susan had been drunk that officer might have saved someone's life.
And it was probably a good guess seeing a car leaving a winery, ya think?
So I'd say that stands true for gun violence.
It's not too weird to imagine that a hell of a lot of guns fall into the wrong hands because the owners don't keep them secure, how about it?
WSS
While that's technically the case I don't think many officers need more than the weaving excuse.
We were at a winery, Susan had nothing to drink, and about a mile or 2 from it we were pulled over for, get this, going the speed limit.
There was a curve and a yellow triangular sign with 25 as in miles per hour on it.
She slowed to 25 and the officer pulled us over wanting to know why we were driving so slowly.
As for searching your car it's perfectly alright to search anything they can see through the windows.
And in most, if not all, States it is illegal to tint your windows so they can't see in.
But at the end of the day do you think drunk driving is serious or not?
If Susan had been drunk that officer might have saved someone's life.
And it was probably a good guess seeing a car leaving a winery, ya think?
So I'd say that stands true for gun violence.
It's not too weird to imagine that a hell of a lot of guns fall into the wrong hands because the owners don't keep them secure, how about it?
WSS
We agree most of the time my friend, but first, prove it, and second, who gives a damn?
If it is taken illegally and used illegally you want to hold me accountable?? Let's hope the same standard you propose isn't held to cars and someone doesn't steal your car and end up mowing down 10 children standing at a bus stop....I don't care if you left you left the car running with the doors unlocked while you zipped in to get your morning Joe.
You guys are talking crazy shit......it why I don't need to hang here.
Really man, spot checks?? Are you crazy?
Later
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I think it's valid to hold a parent responsible, for loaded pistols openly left available to kids. That's all.
This "idea" to have the gov know every gun to watch it, control it, have alarms on gun safes and home searches.......
that isn't "LOL", it's enough to make real Americans puke.
It all involves the gov having a green light to register every gun, and confiscate every gun soon afterwards.
BS. Heck and Cysko apparently read salon.com and suck it up.
One more time.... "gun show loophole" does not mean no background checks are done at gun shows.
That is one last fact to dumb, ignorant, genuine solution ignoring sumbeeches..
We bought our pistol at a gun show. Required background check. so shut the freakin up about it.
Private citizens should have the freedom to sell their guns, own their guns, will their guns, give their guns...
to family and friends any damn way they see fit. You can't declare some kind of martial law over the lissue
because it still will NOT SOLVE THE FREAKIN PROBLEM YOU PRETEND TO BE "concerned" about.
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lol, you have to check in with ADT every time you put your gun into or out of your safe? Yes, that's invasive and annoying.
Youre long on criticism and arguement but quite short on ideas vapor.
Youre long on criticism and arguement but quite short on ideas vapor.
It's better to be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
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Youre long on criticism and arguement but quite short on ideas vapor.
It's better to be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
It's better to be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
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