Biggest Pussy Move Ever
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The flagrant holding on that safety wasn't just holding, it was a disgrace.
Looked a lot like the squeelers holding when it counts - those dont' get called either.
Does anybody bet, that if the Browns had taken a safety, and their oline openly BEAR-HUGGED, that
it wouldn't be called?
Hell yes, it would be called. The safety was just smart football - unless you weren't
given a pass for your oliine making sure extra seconds ticked off the clock.
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Not sure how the rules would effect the clock in that situation.. but since holding in the endzone is a safety and your plan is to take the safety anyhow...why not hold?
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Think NFL will certainly look at situations like that, they would have rather had 49ers get another chance to win or lose it rather than what happened at the end there. Should either have called the holding as soon as started so clock gets stopped with more like 10 seconds left, or else if get caught holding in endzone like that for a intentional safety penalize them 10yd holding penalty on the free kick to move it back from the 20yd to 10yd line, just do something to make sure a farsical play cant unfold like you seen to end a Superbowl game.
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Think NFL will certainly look at situations like that, they would have rather had 49ers get another chance to win or lose it rather than what happened at the end there. Should either have called the holding as soon as started so clock gets stopped with more like 10 seconds left, or else if get caught holding in endzone like that for a intentional safety penalize them 10yd holding penalty on the free kick to move it back from the 20yd to 10yd line, just do something to make sure a farsical play cant unfold like you seen to end a Superbowl game.
Think NFL will certainly look at situations like that, they would have rather had 49ers get another chance to win or lose it rather than what happened at the end there. Should either have called the holding as soon as started so clock gets stopped with more like 10 seconds left, or else if get caught holding in endzone like that for a intentional safety penalize them 10yd holding penalty on the free kick to move it back from the 20yd to 10yd line, just do something to make sure a farsical play cant unfold like you seen to end a Superbowl game.
They wouldn't have been able to enforce it on the kick, as the penalty would have been an offensive penalty. The only penalty they would have been able to enforce on the kick would have been a personal foul dead ball penalty after the whistle. What they should have done was blow the whistle at the moment of the infraction, giving the 49ers an automatic safety and an extra 6 seconds.
There's no rule in the book stating that a holding penalty does not have to be called based on the circumstances of its occurrence. That was a whiff by the refs and it ultimately changed the outcome of the game.
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BTW, I won't start a thread on it, but did anybody else notice #29 , Williams, a ratbird..... in an altercation with a niner,
who finally got up, and INTENTIONALLY PUSHED A REF ! Go back and look if you can. It was clear as day.
No....freakin.......call. No call. Nothin.
That is plain obvious that the refereeing was biased, squeeler playoff style.
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BTW, I won't start a thread on it, but did anybody else notice #29 , Williams, a ratbird..... in an altercation with a niner,
who finally got up, and INTENTIONALLY PUSHED A REF ! Go back and look if you can. It was clear as day.
No....freakin.......call. No call. Nothin.
That is plain obvious that the refereeing was biased, squeeler playoff style.
BTW, I won't start a thread on it, but did anybody else notice #29 , Williams, a ratbird..... in an altercation with a niner,
who finally got up, and INTENTIONALLY PUSHED A REF ! Go back and look if you can. It was clear as day.
No....freakin.......call. No call. Nothin.
That is plain obvious that the refereeing was biased, squeeler playoff style.
I was stunned at the refs hesitation. A ref got his hat knocked off. There were punches being thrown after plays, and guys were being trampled in piles. A punch was swung at a ref and there were ravens players swinging/shoving/bumping into 9ers players after the plays. The officiating was embarrassingly hesitant to make calls in the biggest game of the year
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I don't see how anyone other than a Ravens fan could have watched that safety and not have been appalled by it. Blatant holding since the line knew that it wouldn't hurt them which gave the punter 8 seconds to fuck around. If you don't have enough faith in your defense and special teams to keep the other team from scoring a touchdown with only 12 seconds to go then you shouldn't be in the super bowl and you shouldn't be coaching in the NFL in general. That shit was sickening and if there is any rule change for next season it should be to make that kind of shit illegal.
Mark my words, if that shit isn't made illegal you are going to start seeing that shit at the end of games any time the team is within the 20. Just run backwards, take the safety to waste time, and punt it farther up to give yourself better field position.
I don't see how anyone other than a Ravens fan could have watched that safety and not have been appalled by it. Blatant holding since the line knew that it wouldn't hurt them which gave the punter 8 seconds to fuck around. If you don't have enough faith in your defense and special teams to keep the other team from scoring a touchdown with only 12 seconds to go then you shouldn't be in the super bowl and you shouldn't be coaching in the NFL in general. That shit was sickening and if there is any rule change for next season it should be to make that kind of shit illegal.
Mark my words, if that shit isn't made illegal you are going to start seeing that shit at the end of games any time the team is within the 20. Just run backwards, take the safety to waste time, and punt it farther up to give yourself better field position.
It's called winning football. Look into it.
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I don't see how anyone other than a Ravens fan could have watched that safety and not have been appalled by it. Blatant holding since the line knew that it wouldn't hurt them which gave the punter 8 seconds to fuck around. If you don't have enough faith in your defense and special teams to keep the other team from scoring a touchdown with only 12 seconds to go then you shouldn't be in the super bowl and you shouldn't be coaching in the NFL in general. That shit was sickening and if there is any rule change for next season it should be to make that kind of shit illegal.
Mark my words, if that shit isn't made illegal you are going to start seeing that shit at the end of games any time the team is within the 20. Just run backwards, take the safety to waste time, and punt it farther up to give yourself better field position.
It's called winning football. Look into it.
It's called winning football. Look into it.
Nope, a good point was made- the Super Bowl gets reefed differently than regular season games. Your guy would have gotten tossed for pushing a ref, there would have been a 15 yard unnecessary roughness for decking Flacco out of bounds- and I don't see the reason why the last minute of a game should get called differently than the first. If that wasn't flagrant holding on San Fran's 4th and seven, I don't know what was. You might argue the ball was uncatchable, but (I believe it was Crabtree) never got a chance to make a play on the ball.
It's not just isolated to this game either. a few years back when the Patriots were in the SB, one of their guards flat-out tackled a defender on a sweep- and no call.
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It's called winning football. Look into it.
Nope, a good point was made- the Super Bowl gets reefed differently than regular season games. Your guy would have gotten tossed for pushing a ref, there would have been a 15 yard unnecessary roughness for decking Flacco out of bounds- and I don't see the reason why the last minute of a game should get called differently than the first. If that wasn't flagrant holding on San Fran's 4th and seven, I don't know what was. You might argue the ball was uncatchable, but (I believe it was Crabtree) never got a chance to make a play on the ball.
It's not just isolated to this game either. a few years back when the Patriots were in the SB, one of their guards flat-out tackled a defender on a sweep- and no call.
Nope, a good point was made- the Super Bowl gets reefed differently than regular season games. Your guy would have gotten tossed for pushing a ref, there would have been a 15 yard unnecessary roughness for decking Flacco out of bounds- and I don't see the reason why the last minute of a game should get called differently than the first. If that wasn't flagrant holding on San Fran's 4th and seven, I don't know what was. You might argue the ball was uncatchable, but (I believe it was Crabtree) never got a chance to make a play on the ball.
It's not just isolated to this game either. a few years back when the Patriots were in the SB, one of their guards flat-out tackled a defender on a sweep- and no call.
Hoorta, I've always respected your opinion and I have enjoyed our back and forths. But the play he is talking about it a legit play that is run several times a year. Could there have been flags throughout the game? Yes. But was the safety play a pussy move? No, not by a long shot. It was smart football by a smart football coach.
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Ravensfan translation:
"Every ratbird player could be serial camel crap eater , and I would still give every one of them great
big smoochies."
Pretty sick rep of the ratbird fan collection. "yawn"
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Ravensfan translation:
"Every ratbird player could be serial camel crap eater , and I would still give every one of them great
big smoochies."
Pretty sick rep of the ratbird fan collection. "yawn"
Ravensfan translation:
"Every ratbird player could be serial camel crap eater , and I would still give every one of them great
big smoochies."
Pretty sick rep of the ratbird fan collection. "yawn"
Not sure how to even respond to that. On the whole, Baltimore Ravens players stay out of trouble and are great guys who do a lot of work in the community.
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Nope, a good point was made- the Super Bowl gets reefed differently than regular season games. Your guy would have gotten tossed for pushing a ref, there would have been a 15 yard unnecessary roughness for decking Flacco out of bounds- and I don't see the reason why the last minute of a game should get called differently than the first. If that wasn't flagrant holding on San Fran's 4th and seven, I don't know what was. You might argue the ball was uncatchable, but (I believe it was Crabtree) never got a chance to make a play on the ball.
It's not just isolated to this game either. a few years back when the Patriots were in the SB, one of their guards flat-out tackled a defender on a sweep- and no call.
Hoorta, I've always respected your opinion and I have enjoyed our back and forths. But the play he is talking about it a legit play that is run several times a year. Could there have been flags throughout the game? Yes. But was the safety play a pussy move? No, not by a long shot. It was smart football by a smart football coach.
Hoorta, I've always respected your opinion and I have enjoyed our back and forths. But the play he is talking about it a legit play that is run several times a year. Could there have been flags throughout the game? Yes. But was the safety play a pussy move? No, not by a long shot. It was smart football by a smart football coach.
It was not a pussy move, I agree. It was the right choice for that time.
Fortunately for you, it showed have blown up in your face but it didn't. The game should have come down a long field goal. Bad officiating robbed us all of what could have possibly been the greatest Super Bowl in the last decade.
As it stands, it was still fantastic, but can you imagine the game coming down to a long David Akers field goal? Miss it or make it, it still would have been the best ending ever.
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On that play, I heard the comments of newly minted Hall of Famer Cris Carter....who knows more about how to run that fade to the corner of the end zone than anyone.
He stated that he thought it was a good no call, and that Crabtree executed to play all wrong. He said instead of making a crisp hard move to the corner (and as Cris said "and maybe getting a little unseen pushoff in while doing it), Crabtree ran right into the defender whom he allowed to wrap him up. Cris said holding is almost never called in those instances where the receiver runs into the defender...and nor should it be he said.
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The Super Bowl came down to IMO two bad plays/sequences by the 49ers. The first was the opening Raven's TD to Anquan Boldin. I know the seam route when well thrown is very hard to defend, but Whitner/the scheme totally blew that coverage. I mean Boldin had only ran that route in the red zone idk 50 times in the playoffs. I'm not sure why they didn't game plan for that or if Whitner whiffed but that early TD gave Balt a lot of momentum early.
The second was the final four plays for the 49er's. That team was predicated on the run, and averaging something close to 7 yards a rush. So what do they do? Pass, Pass, Pass. It's unfortunate the QB run didn't develop right before the timeout because Kap could have walked into the endzone it appeared. Also, to leave the last play of the biggest game to a fade route is questionable at best. That's what these sorts of games come down to though, those few plays the winning team did right.
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If you were rooting for the 49ers - which I was because they have more OSU players - then you should demand Harbaugh pay more attention to his O coordinator next year.
Those last 4 plays from the 5 were terrible.
4 throws - all to the right, all to the same receiver? Bush league! Especially when Gore is averaging over 5 yards per carry on the night, and Kaepernick has already scored a TD on a run.
On the final play, Crabtree initiates the contact and never stops running into the CB.. that's not the CB's fault, he does have a right to his space. The rule covers defensive contact - not offensive contact. Also, on the other side of the line, AJ Jenkins [the 49ers rookie WR] threw his defender to the ground without receiving a call.
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If you were rooting for the 49ers - which I was because they have more OSU players - then you should demand Harbaugh pay more attention to his O coordinator next year.
Those last 4 plays from the 5 were terrible.
4 throws - all to the right, all to the same receiver? Bush league! Especially when Gore is averaging over 5 yards per carry on the night, and Kaepernick has already scored a TD on a run.
On the final play, Crabtree initiates the contact and never stops running into the CB.. that's not the CB's fault, he does have a right to his space. The rule covers defensive contact - not offensive contact. Also, on the other side of the line, AJ Jenkins [the 49ers rookie WR] threw his defender to the ground without receiving a call.
If you were rooting for the 49ers - which I was because they have more OSU players - then you should demand Harbaugh pay more attention to his O coordinator next year.
Those last 4 plays from the 5 were terrible.
4 throws - all to the right, all to the same receiver? Bush league! Especially when Gore is averaging over 5 yards per carry on the night, and Kaepernick has already scored a TD on a run.
On the final play, Crabtree initiates the contact and never stops running into the CB.. that's not the CB's fault, he does have a right to his space. The rule covers defensive contact - not offensive contact. Also, on the other side of the line, AJ Jenkins [the 49ers rookie WR] threw his defender to the ground without receiving a call.
Yes, I agree, once Gore got them down to the 6 with First and Goal the play calling was terrible. The Ravens claim they did things to eliminate the ability of the 49ers to run the ball....but apparently they didn't do so much that they would have allowed a pass for a TD.
That whole series was bad karma.
And I agree with the post that talked about the 49ers defensive secondary. Time and again they seemed out of place or not keeping up with the Ravens receivers. They just looked bad.
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Nope, a good point was made- the Super Bowl gets reefed differently than regular season games. Your guy would have gotten tossed for pushing a ref, there would have been a 15 yard unnecessary roughness for decking Flacco out of bounds- and I don't see the reason why the last minute of a game should get called differently than the first. If that wasn't flagrant holding on San Fran's 4th and seven, I don't know what was. You might argue the ball was uncatchable, but (I believe it was Crabtree) never got a chance to make a play on the ball.
It's not just isolated to this game either. a few years back when the Patriots were in the SB, one of their guards flat-out tackled a defender on a sweep- and no call.
Hoorta, I've always respected your opinion and I have enjoyed our back and forths. But the play he is talking about it a legit play that is run several times a year. Could there have been flags throughout the game? Yes. But was the safety play a pussy move? No, not by a long shot. It was smart football by a smart football coach.
Hoorta, I've always respected your opinion and I have enjoyed our back and forths. But the play he is talking about it a legit play that is run several times a year. Could there have been flags throughout the game? Yes. But was the safety play a pussy move? No, not by a long shot. It was smart football by a smart football coach.
You didn't read closely enough. I said I called the play before it happened, and it was smart football. Killed some of the clock, gave you 15 yards of field position, and a free kick, with no chance of a block in the endzone for the game winning TD. -
BTW, I won't start a thread on it, but did anybody else notice #29 , Williams, a ratbird..... in an altercation with a niner,
who finally got up, and INTENTIONALLY PUSHED A REF ! Go back and look if you can. It was clear as day.
No....freakin.......call. No call. Nothin.
That is plain obvious that the refereeing was biased, squeeler playoff style.
BTW, I won't start a thread on it, but did anybody else notice #29 , Williams, a ratbird..... in an altercation with a niner,
who finally got up, and INTENTIONALLY PUSHED A REF ! Go back and look if you can. It was clear as day.
No....freakin.......call. No call. Nothin.
That is plain obvious that the refereeing was biased, squeeler playoff style.
i have to respectfully disagree with the word 'intentional'.
i think the guy got knocked on his ass with someone ripping off his helmet, got up all discombobulated and pushed at the first thing he saw. i betcha if it was one of his team mates standing in the same place as the ref he woulda pushed him as well. if you've ever been knocked down in a melee (been there) your first instinct is to get up and defend yourself which might mean pushing/swinging at anything in your immediate 'zone'.
now, i'm not saying it wasn't a penalty, but as everyone knows this ref crew swallowed their whistles the entire game, which i for one liked. wish every game was called like that. but, i'm sure, during the regular season, it would have been a foul, an ejection and a fine.
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