Foot In The Door, Camel's Nose In Under The Tent...

calfoxwc

Not to start a new thread, I'll post this here...

YAY ! Some gun sellers are refusing to sell to police depts in NY and other states, because of their gun control attempts and laws affecting

the rights of gun owning, honest American citizens.

I love the bounce back right back at em....

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/15/group-of-second-amendment-supporting-gun-makers-now-refusing-to-sell-arms-to-law-enforcement-in-new-york-and-other-gun-restricting-states/

The Cysko Kid

@calfoxwc said:

Not to start a new thread, I'll post this here...

YAY ! Some gun sellers are refusing to sell to police depts in NY and other states, because of their gun control attempts and laws affecting

the rights of gun owning, honest American citizens.

I love the bounce back right back at em....

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/15/group-of-second-amendment-supporting-gun-makers-now-refusing-to-sell-arms-to-law-enforcement-in-new-york-and-other-gun-restricting-states/

Some gun sellers will quickly go out of business.

Legacy Fan

@the-cysko-kid said:

Some gun sellers will quickly go out of business.

Ummm only because they can't keep inventory to keep up with demand. Most LGS's are operating with <20% inventory.

Westside Steve

http://civilliberty.about.com/od/guncontrol/a/Gun-Control-History-Georgia-Ban-1837.htm

This was probably the very first in de facto repealing of the Second Amendment as it was intended.

That horse, boys, has left the barn.

WSS

calfoxwc

Obama Justice Department Reveals Truth About State of the Union Claims

Posted on February 15, 2013

PrintShare on print EmailShare on email ShareMore Sharing Services Share on facebook Share on twitter Despite long odds, on Tuesday night, Barack Obama managed to turn in a State of the Union performance that was filled with more theatrical pandering than the event is typically known for. Once again seeking to capitalize off tragedy by opting for emotional, rather than reasoned arguments, the President reiterated his support for increased background checks and bans on common semi-automatic firearms and their magazines, which he referred to as "weapons of war and massive ammunition magazines."

As usual, Obama's remarks were short on evidence that his gun control proposals would work. Of course, that evidence is sorely lacking--and who would know that better than the experts at his own Justice Department?

In a white paper dated January 4 and obtained by NRA-ILA, the deputy director of the National Institute for Justice--DOJ's research and evaluation agency--said that the proposals before Congress are unlikely to have an effect unless they are made even more draconian. For instance, the document makes clear that the effectiveness of "universal" background checks "depends on … requiring gun registration." On the topic of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition, NIJ writes, "In order to have an impact, large capacity magazine regulation needs to sharply curtail availability to include restrictions on importation, manufacture, sale, and possession." As for popular semi-automatic firearms, the NIJ notes, "Since assault weapons are not a major contributor to U.S. gun homicide and the existing stock of guns is large, an assault weapons ban is unlikely to have an impact on gun violence. If coupled with a gun buyback and no exemptions then it could be effective."

The NRA's response was clear and strong. The evening of the speech, NRA-ILA released the memo along with a hard-hitting

. In the ad, NRA-ILA Executive Director Chris W. Cox points out these highlights of the memo and urges viewers to call Congress in opposition to new anti-gun legislation.

And two days after the speech, in a speech to the National Wild Turkey Federation's annual convention,

on what was notably absent in the State of the Union address: "It was only a few weeks ago when they were marketing their anti-gun agenda as a way of protecting school children from harm… That charade ended at the State of the Union, when the president himself exposed their fraudulent intentions. It's not about keeping kids safe at school. That wasn't even mentioned in the president's speech."

The Cysko Kid

Fuck the nra.

calfoxwc

baloney.

Were it not for the NRA -

this would happen all the time.

Would that make you happy, with parents getting killed by criminals with illegal guns because

the dimwit marxist left wants to take guns away...

from law abiding parents?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/13/heroic-super-dad-dies-protecting-his-11-year-old-daughter-from-armed-home-invaders/

The Cysko Kid

@calfoxwc said:

baloney.

Were it not for the NRA -

this would happen all the time.

Would that make you happy, with parents getting killed by criminals with illegal guns because

the dimwit marxist left wants to take guns away...

from law abiding parents?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/13/heroic-super-dad-dies-protecting-his-11-year-old-daughter-from-armed-home-invaders/

You let a slimy snake like Wayne lapierre champion your rights and wonder why I have no respect for you. If the NRA wants to be taken as anything but pieces of shit to be scraped from ones shoe, they need to be rid of lapierre.

calfoxwc

Dang, you spew hate.

Do you really think it's up to me to have him represent the NRA?

That's stupid. I'd rather have someone else at the top of the NRA.

He isn't the NRA at all - all the members of the NRA are the NRA.

What in the hell are you ever talking about?

So, you put me in charge of deciding, bigmouth, and I'll

choose someone else.

Ted Nugent rocks - I could pick him...

The Cysko Kid

The problem is youre rallying behind him. The NRA is letting a highly unsympathetic piece of garbage speak on behalf of their interests, and represent them as the face of their organization. Nobody thinks Wayne LaPierre is a good decent human being. He's more like a hissing cockroach wearing a human skin, and the longer the people who form the base of the NRA don't demand his immediate resignation the more complicit you become with his slimy money driven agenda, and the more ire you will draw from the moderate peoples of this country, regardless of political affiliation that are tired to the death of the NRA brass' transparently repugnant agenda.

The NRA might have used to been a decent group but now they are nothing but political pawns driven by a piece of trash. If you love the NRA take it back and drive out scum like LaPierre. Despite his son being a great example of how the NRA's supposed safety push has abysmally failed, David Keene would be a far more acceptable spokesman.

The Cysko Kid

@calfoxwc said:

Dang, you spew hate.

Do you really think it's up to me to have him represent the NRA?

That's stupid. I'd rather have someone else at the top of the NRA.

He isn't the NRA at all - all the members of the NRA are the NRA.

What in the hell are you ever talking about?

So, you put me in charge of deciding, bigmouth, and I'll

choose someone else.

Ted Nugent rocks - I could pick him...

Sweaty Teddy went full Retard a long time ago. Try again.

calfoxwc

Okay, I'm sending a letter to the NRA right now, and I'm demanding that wayne "retire"...

and I'm namiing Sarah Palin as his successor.

Happy now?

The Cysko Kid

@calfoxwc said:

Okay, I'm sending a letter to the NRA right now, and I'm demanding that wayne "retire"...

and I'm namiing Sarah Palin as his successor.

Happy now?

Well i'd be happy because it would be the political death knell of an organization I dont care for at all.

DieHardBrownsFan

@the-cysko-kid said:

Well i'd be happy because it would be the political death knell of an organization I dont care for at all.

LOl, really? You live in some fantasy land.

The Cysko Kid

@diehardbrownsfan said:

LOl, really? You live in some fantasy land.

You think Sarah palin would be an acceptable head of the NRA and I live in a fantasy land. Right.

calfoxwc

More likely, you live in fantasyland as in, you fantasize that you have a sense of humor.

And that ain't no joke, jack.

MLD Woody

@the-cysko-kid said:

You think Sarah palin would be an acceptable head of the NRA and I live in a fantasy land. Right.

lol exactly

calfoxwc

The Department of Homeland Security is set to purchase a further 21.6 million rounds of ammunition to add to the 1.6 billion bullets it has already obtained over the course of the last 10 months alone, figures which have stoked concerns that the federal agency is preparing for civil unrest.

A solicitation posted yesterday on the Fed Bid website details how the bullets are required for the DHS Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Artesia, New Mexico.

The solicitation asks for 10 million pistol cartridge .40 caliber 165 Grain, jacketed Hollow point bullets (100 quantities of 100,000 rounds) and 10 million 9mm 115 grain jacketed hollow point bullets (100 quantities of 100,000 rounds).

The document also lists a requirement for 1.6 million pistol cartridge 9mm ball bullets (40 quantities of 40,000 rounds).

An approximation of how many rounds of ammunition the DHS has now secured over the last 10 months stands at around 1.625 billion. In March 2012, ATK announced that they had agreed to provide the DHS with

a maximum of 450 million bullets over four years, a story that prompted questions about why the feds were buying ammunition in such large quantities. In September last year, the federal agency purchased a further 200 million bullets.

To put that in perspective, during the height of active battle operations in Iraq,

US soldiers used 5.5 million rounds of ammunition a month. Extrapolating the figures, the DHS has purchased enough bullets over the last 10 months to wage a full scale war for almost 30 years.

Such massive quantities of ammo purchases have stoked fears that the agency is preparing for some kind of domestic unrest. In 2011, Department of Homeland Security chief Janet Napolitano directed Immigration and Customs Enforcement to

prepare for a mass influx of immigrants into the United States, calling for the plan to deal with the “shelter” and “processing” of large numbers of people.

The federal agency’s primary concern is now centered around thwarting “homegrown terrorism,” but information produced and used by the DHS to train its personnel routinely equates conservative political ideology with domestic extremism.

A study funded by the Department of Homeland Security that was leaked last year characterizes Americans who are “suspicious of centralized federal authority,” and “reverent of individual liberty” as “extreme right-wing” terrorists.

In August 2012, the DHS censored information relating to the amount of bullets purchased by the federal agency on behalf of Immigration & Customs Enforcement, citing an “unusual and compelling urgency” to acquire the bullets, noting that there is a shortage of bullets which is threatening a situation that could cause “substantial safety issues for the government” should law enforcement officials not be adequately armed.

As we highlighted last month, the DHS’ previous ammunition solicitation was awarded to Evian Group, an organization that was formed just five days before the announcement of the solicitation and appeared to be little more than a front organization since it didn’t have a genuine physical address, a website, or even a phone number.

While Americans are being browbeaten with rhetoric about the necessity to give up semi-automatic firearms in the name of preventing school shootings, the federal government is arming itself to the teeth with both ammunition and guns. Last September,

the DHS purchased no less than 7,000 fully automatic assault rifles, labeling them “Personal Defense Weapons.”

MLD Woody

Aren't some of those numbers just the total amount of ammo bought of the length of a contract?

Also, what are you saying this is? Do you think Obama is arming a special militia to come take your guns, bibles and apple pie? I couldn't imagine living inside your paranoid head for even a day...

Cuz fuck training exercises, those aren't even a thing!

calfoxwc

ah, you are learning how to use the "straw man" tactic from heckbunker. so, you aren't COMPLETELY stupid.

Just a whole hell of a lot.

The concern is, on my part, that the enormous amount of ammo for training, is being purchased for

....decades and decades. Obamao marxit pig uses economic leverage as a weapon.

And, he has voted to dramatically raise ammo price taxes, etc etc etc.

So, they are trying to explode the price of ammo. Brilliant - when Obamao marxist pig is no longer president,

they won't have to buy ammo anymore for a long while. And the price will go down, and then the sales to

regular ole Americans will skyrocket past where it is now.

You still have no meaningful contribute to this thread. Perhaps you'd like to stay out of threads

where you aren't contributing to the THREAD SUBJECT. You keep proving that you are heckbunker's flea.

So much like the little, ignorant squirt down the street who was always saying stupid stuff, then running

back in his house while crying for "help".