Are The Chiefs Idiots?
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Smith is a "decent" QB, if not a spectacular one. He can manage a game well, and that seems to be what that team needs now.
Game manager QBs are what we call QBs who can't throw. I imagine we'll see a KC offense based on handing it off and dumping it off to TEs.
Game manager QBs are what we call QBs who can't throw. I imagine we'll see a KC offense based on handing it off and dumping it off to TEs.
I am sure there will be a share of that...and there is nothing wrong with that. A few teams have won championships with that formula. If Andy Reid is going to run his WCO, then Smith may be very adept at that system.
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The best 2-14 team in history. Heard it here, they will be in the playoffs 2013.
The best 2-14 team in history. Heard it here, they will be in the playoffs 2013.
the Chiefs are the best example of recent memory on how important QB play is to a team's success. No QB=shitty team, period. Cardinals had the exact same problem.
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The Chiefs overpaid. They could've had Alex Smith last year for less. Alex Smith was worth, at best, a mid-3rd round pick.
NFL teams, especially ones who have underperformed for what seems like decades, really need to develop long term strategies...3-5 year plans say. Reaching/Overspending on average players really ain't the way to go. Okay, so maybe you don't like the top QBs of this years draft class (while your drafting high), draft the best players available who will be key positional players in the future. Then take a chance on some cheap/late round QBs (New England scored with Brady so there is a slim chance a team can get lucky). If the QBs don't pan out this year, you'll be drafting high again next year.
You can get a top QB and build a team around him (Dallas/Aikman, Colts/Manning) or surround your future QB with talent already in place (San Diego/Rivers or Pittsburgh/Roethlisberger). What happens if/when KC isn't in the hunt next year? Coach gets fired? QB gets tossed to the curb? That's spending alot of money/draft potential on a high failure probability. A high second round draft choice could've yielded a good future building block...possibly making 2014's season far less predicated on failure. Didn't KC learn their lesson overspending on Matt Cassel?
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The Chiefs overpaid. They could've had Alex Smith last year for less. Alex Smith was worth, at best, a mid-3rd round pick.
NFL teams, especially ones who have underperformed for what seems like decades, really need to develop long term strategies...3-5 year plans say. Reaching/Overspending on average players really ain't the way to go. Okay, so maybe you don't like the top QBs of this years draft class (while your drafting high), draft the best players available who will be key positional players in the future. Then take a chance on some cheap/late round QBs (New England scored with Brady so there is a slim chance a team can get lucky). If the QBs don't pan out this year, you'll be drafting high again next year.
You can get a top QB and build a team around him (Dallas/Aikman, Colts/Manning) or surround your future QB with talent already in place (San Diego/Rivers or Pittsburgh/Roethlisberger). What happens if/when KC isn't in the hunt next year? Coach gets fired? QB gets tossed to the curb? That's spending alot of money/draft potential on a high failure probability. A high second round draft choice could've yielded a good future building block...possibly making 2014's season far less predicated on failure. Didn't KC learn their lesson overspending on Matt Cassel?
Endymion said:
The Chiefs overpaid. They could've had Alex Smith last year for less. Alex Smith was worth, at best, a mid-3rd round pick.
NFL teams, especially ones who have underperformed for what seems like decades, really need to develop long term strategies...3-5 year plans say. Reaching/Overspending on average players really ain't the way to go. Okay, so maybe you don't like the top QBs of this years draft class (while your drafting high), draft the best players available who will be key positional players in the future. Then take a chance on some cheap/late round QBs (New England scored with Brady so there is a slim chance a team can get lucky). If the QBs don't pan out this year, you'll be drafting high again next year.
You can get a top QB and build a team around him (Dallas/Aikman, Colts/Manning) or surround your future QB with talent already in place (San Diego/Rivers or Pittsburgh/Roethlisberger). What happens if/when KC isn't in the hunt next year? Coach gets fired? QB gets tossed to the curb? That's spending alot of money/draft potential on a high failure probability. A high second round draft choice could've yielded a good future building block...possibly making 2014's season far less predicated on failure. Didn't KC learn their lesson overspending on Matt Cassel?
As was mentioned before....the Chiefs have not drafted a QB that has started and won a game for them since 1983 when they drafted Todd Blackledge...and he was pretty clearly the runt of that 1983 QB first round draft class.
If you saw my thread on Mr. Irrelevent you will have learned that probably the VERY BEST QB the Chiefs have ever drafted they got with the next to the last pick of the entire draft. That was Bill Kenney. #333 overall pick. The only other QBs they ever drafted that played for them some in franchise history have been Steve Fuller and Mike Livingston. Not a stellar group. Their HOF QB Len Dawson was a FA pickup. Since the days of Kenney they have used pickup QBs of the likes of Steve DeBerg, Joe Montana, Steve Bono, Dave Kreig, Rich Gannon, Elvis Grbac, Damon Huard, Trent Green, Matt Cassell and Brady Quinn...and now Alex Smith.
So, if the Chiefs haven't learned that lesson in the last 30 years why do you think they would learn it now? The fact is, they keep looking for their next Len Dawson.
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The Chiefs overpaid. They could've had Alex Smith last year for less. Alex Smith was worth, at best, a mid-3rd round pick.
NFL teams, especially ones who have underperformed for what seems like decades, really need to develop long term strategies...3-5 year plans say. Reaching/Overspending on average players really ain't the way to go. Okay, so maybe you don't like the top QBs of this years draft class (while your drafting high), draft the best players available who will be key positional players in the future. Then take a chance on some cheap/late round QBs (New England scored with Brady so there is a slim chance a team can get lucky). If the QBs don't pan out this year, you'll be drafting high again next year.
You can get a top QB and build a team around him (Dallas/Aikman, Colts/Manning) or surround your future QB with talent already in place (San Diego/Rivers or Pittsburgh/Roethlisberger). What happens if/when KC isn't in the hunt next year? Coach gets fired? QB gets tossed to the curb? That's spending alot of money/draft potential on a high failure probability. A high second round draft choice could've yielded a good future building block...possibly making 2014's season far less predicated on failure. Didn't KC learn their lesson overspending on Matt Cassel?
Endymion said:
The Chiefs overpaid. They could've had Alex Smith last year for less. Alex Smith was worth, at best, a mid-3rd round pick.
NFL teams, especially ones who have underperformed for what seems like decades, really need to develop long term strategies...3-5 year plans say. Reaching/Overspending on average players really ain't the way to go. Okay, so maybe you don't like the top QBs of this years draft class (while your drafting high), draft the best players available who will be key positional players in the future. Then take a chance on some cheap/late round QBs (New England scored with Brady so there is a slim chance a team can get lucky). If the QBs don't pan out this year, you'll be drafting high again next year.
You can get a top QB and build a team around him (Dallas/Aikman, Colts/Manning) or surround your future QB with talent already in place (San Diego/Rivers or Pittsburgh/Roethlisberger). What happens if/when KC isn't in the hunt next year? Coach gets fired? QB gets tossed to the curb? That's spending alot of money/draft potential on a high failure probability. A high second round draft choice could've yielded a good future building block...possibly making 2014's season far less predicated on failure. Didn't KC learn their lesson overspending on Matt Cassel?
Romeo Crennel didn't want Smith, he liked Quinn. That's why they didnt make a move for Smith.
If Smith ends up becoming a franchise QB for them for the next five-six seasons, then they didn't overpay at all. But if he doesn't...
As for losing teams having 3-5 year plans, that is all well and good but will never happen in the NFL. It is a win now league. If you're not turning a team into a contender immediately, it's on to the next guy. That's just the nature of the beast. The coaches that say "This is a 5 year plan, lets stick it out" are gone within two seasons if they don't show marketed improvement.
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The best 2-14 team in history. Heard it here, they will be in the playoffs 2013.
The best 2-14 team in history. Heard it here, they will be in the playoffs 2013.
Agreed. May not be in playoffs but they will go at least 8-8
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I know this is THE BROWNS BOARD but I noticed that thi sthread has a bunch of replies and no fighting or name calling. I could get used to this.
Some good posts here too. I would argue with the thought of the Chiefs making the playoffs this year though. The Browns will be getting that wildcard spot not the Chiefs. TRich said it and I believe it. Write it down, and bet it in vegas now.
“The Wait Is Over, The Browns Will Be In The Playoffs This Year!" -
Smith is pedestrian at best. Harbaugh is a genius. True, KC had no other option, but this was still monumentally stupid. I'm glad the Browns were never seriously in this, because Smith would not beat out McCoy for the backup job.
The reason Smith was good last year is because the team around him was great. Defenses had to respect the run, so Smith had time for the play-action to work.
The problem is simply the Chiefs -- they payed a ridiculous boatload for Crappy Matt Cassel, and now they payed a second-round plus a midround next year for a player Harbaugh considered releasing when he took the job. Of course the 49ers couldn't make the super bowl with Smith at QB.. that's why Kaepernick took over.
The chiefs already have the receivers: Baldwin from Pitt was a first-rounder, McCluster will have 3 really good games each year, and TE Moeaki was injured in preseason last year. The offense's issues are the OL at KC is worse than useless, Reid's playcalling will of course stink, and Hillis isn't.
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Endymion said:
The Chiefs overpaid. They could've had Alex Smith last year for less. Alex Smith was worth, at best, a mid-3rd round pick.
NFL teams, especially ones who have underperformed for what seems like decades, really need to develop long term strategies...3-5 year plans say. Reaching/Overspending on average players really ain't the way to go. Okay, so maybe you don't like the top QBs of this years draft class (while your drafting high), draft the best players available who will be key positional players in the future. Then take a chance on some cheap/late round QBs (New England scored with Brady so there is a slim chance a team can get lucky). If the QBs don't pan out this year, you'll be drafting high again next year.
You can get a top QB and build a team around him (Dallas/Aikman, Colts/Manning) or surround your future QB with talent already in place (San Diego/Rivers or Pittsburgh/Roethlisberger). What happens if/when KC isn't in the hunt next year? Coach gets fired? QB gets tossed to the curb? That's spending alot of money/draft potential on a high failure probability. A high second round draft choice could've yielded a good future building block...possibly making 2014's season far less predicated on failure. Didn't KC learn their lesson overspending on Matt Cassel?
Romeo Crennel didn't want Smith, he liked Quinn. That's why they didnt make a move for Smith.
If Smith ends up becoming a franchise QB for them for the next five-six seasons, then they didn't overpay at all. But if he doesn't...
As for losing teams having 3-5 year plans, that is all well and good but will never happen in the NFL. It is a win now league. If you're not turning a team into a contender immediately, it's on to the next guy. That's just the nature of the beast. The coaches that say "This is a 5 year plan, lets stick it out" are gone within two seasons if they don't show marketed improvement.
As for losing teams having 3-5 year plans, that is all well and good but will never happen in the NFL. It is a win now league. If you're not turning a team into a contender immediately, it's on to the next guy. That's just the nature of the beast. The coaches that say "This is a 5 year plan, lets stick it out" are gone within two seasons if they don't show marketed improvement.
but that's a problem within itself. if the ownership held strong and could endure the fan base screaming that they DON"T see marked improvement within the first 2 years of a 5 year plan, then why hire the guy/staff and give them the backing that you say you will?
hell, i'm sure butch davis if given the 5 years coulda made the browns a contender, the same with mangini.
what it really comes down to is $$. the more the fans scream that the team sucks and that they won't show up to games the less time these coaches and GMs have to instill their plan with their offense and defense and the players needed to run both.
when it comes down to it, we as fans are probably one of the main reasons why owners blow up coaching staffs and their ideals every 3 years.
if KC sucks next year it ain't gonna be because of alex smith. it will be because that no one in the previous 5 years hadn't solidified either line, didn't garner offensive weapons and the ownership didn't allow a HC and it's staff time to implement 'their' system.
Smith is pedestrian at best. Harbaugh is a genius. Of course the 49ers couldn't make the super bowl with Smith at QB.. that's why Kaepernick took over.
The chiefs already have the receivers: Baldwin from Pitt was a first-rounder, McCluster will have 3 really good games each year, and TE Moeaki was injured in preseason last year.
wow. really? smith took them to the championship game the year before without as much talent. did kaepernick win the super bowl?
those weapons you mention for KC are laughable. mccluster 3 good games a year? well let's vote him to the pro bowl right now!
we have better receivers.
give it a rest.
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As for losing teams having 3-5 year plans, that is all well and good but will never happen in the NFL. It is a win now league. If you're not turning a team into a contender immediately, it's on to the next guy. That's just the nature of the beast. The coaches that say "This is a 5 year plan, lets stick it out" are gone within two seasons if they don't show marketed improvement.
but that's a problem within itself. if the ownership held strong and could endure the fan base screaming that they DON"T see marked improvement within the first 2 years of a 5 year plan, then why hire the guy/staff and give them the backing that you say you will?
hell, i'm sure butch davis if given the 5 years coulda made the browns a contender, the same with mangini.
what it really comes down to is $$. the more the fans scream that the team sucks and that they won't show up to games the less time these coaches and GMs have to instill their plan with their offense and defense and the players needed to run both.
when it comes down to it, we as fans are probably one of the main reasons why owners blow up coaching staffs and their ideals every 3 years.
if KC sucks next year it ain't gonna be because of alex smith. it will be because that no one in the previous 5 years hadn't solidified either line, didn't garner offensive weapons and the ownership didn't allow a HC and it's staff time to implement 'their' system.
Smith is pedestrian at best. Harbaugh is a genius. Of course the 49ers couldn't make the super bowl with Smith at QB.. that's why Kaepernick took over.
The chiefs already have the receivers: Baldwin from Pitt was a first-rounder, McCluster will have 3 really good games each year, and TE Moeaki was injured in preseason last year.
wow. really? smith took them to the championship game the year before without as much talent. did kaepernick win the super bowl?
those weapons you mention for KC are laughable. mccluster 3 good games a year? well let's vote him to the pro bowl right now!
we have better receivers.
give it a rest.
but that's a problem within itself. if the ownership held strong and could endure the fan base screaming that they DON"T see marked improvement within the first 2 years of a 5 year plan, then why hire the guy/staff and give them the backing that you say you will?
hell, i'm sure butch davis if given the 5 years coulda made the browns a contender, the same with mangini.
what it really comes down to is $$. the more the fans scream that the team sucks and that they won't show up to games the less time these coaches and GMs have to instill their plan with their offense and defense and the players needed to run both.
when it comes down to it, we as fans are probably one of the main reasons why owners blow up coaching staffs and their ideals every 3 years.
if KC sucks next year it ain't gonna be because of alex smith. it will be because that no one in the previous 5 years hadn't solidified either line, didn't garner offensive weapons and the ownership didn't allow a HC and it's staff time to implement 'their' system.
Which begs the question: are some of these "miracle coaches" really as good as we've been led to believe? If Chud gets us to a 10 win season and the playoffs, is he a genius or is he just piggybacking off the solid corps of players his predecessors built? That's what I don't like about the NFL. Sometimes it's too hard to tell who's actually a good coach, who inherited a good team, and who is actually a shit coach.
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As for losing teams having 3-5 year plans, that is all well and good but will never happen in the NFL. It is a win now league. If you're not turning a team into a contender immediately, it's on to the next guy. That's just the nature of the beast. The coaches that say "This is a 5 year plan, lets stick it out" are gone within two seasons if they don't show marketed improvement.
but that's a problem within itself. if the ownership held strong and could endure the fan base screaming that they DON"T see marked improvement within the first 2 years of a 5 year plan, then why hire the guy/staff and give them the backing that you say you will?
hell, i'm sure butch davis if given the 5 years coulda made the browns a contender, the same with mangini.
what it really comes down to is $$. the more the fans scream that the team sucks and that they won't show up to games the less time these coaches and GMs have to instill their plan with their offense and defense and the players needed to run both.
when it comes down to it, we as fans are probably one of the main reasons why owners blow up coaching staffs and their ideals every 3 years.
if KC sucks next year it ain't gonna be because of alex smith. it will be because that no one in the previous 5 years hadn't solidified either line, didn't garner offensive weapons and the ownership didn't allow a HC and it's staff time to implement 'their' system.
Smith is pedestrian at best. Harbaugh is a genius. Of course the 49ers couldn't make the super bowl with Smith at QB.. that's why Kaepernick took over.
The chiefs already have the receivers: Baldwin from Pitt was a first-rounder, McCluster will have 3 really good games each year, and TE Moeaki was injured in preseason last year.
wow. really? smith took them to the championship game the year before without as much talent. did kaepernick win the super bowl?
those weapons you mention for KC are laughable. mccluster 3 good games a year? well let's vote him to the pro bowl right now!
we have better receivers.
give it a rest.
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As for losing teams having 3-5 year plans, that is all well and good but will never happen in the NFL. It is a win now league. If you're not turning a team into a contender immediately, it's on to the next guy. That's just the nature of the beast. The coaches that say "This is a 5 year plan, lets stick it out" are gone within two seasons if they don't show marketed improvement.
but that's a problem within itself. if the ownership held strong and could endure the fan base screaming that they DON"T see marked improvement within the first 2 years of a 5 year plan, then why hire the guy/staff and give them the backing that you say you will?
hell, i'm sure butch davis if given the 5 years coulda made the browns a contender, the same with mangini.
what it really comes down to is $$. the more the fans scream that the team sucks and that they won't show up to games the less time these coaches and GMs have to instill their plan with their offense and defense and the players needed to run both.
when it comes down to it, we as fans are probably one of the main reasons why owners blow up coaching staffs and their ideals every 3 years.
if KC sucks next year it ain't gonna be because of alex smith. it will be because that no one in the previous 5 years hadn't solidified either line, didn't garner offensive weapons and the ownership didn't allow a HC and it's staff time to implement 'their' system.
Smith is pedestrian at best. Harbaugh is a genius. Of course the 49ers couldn't make the super bowl with Smith at QB.. that's why Kaepernick took over.
The chiefs already have the receivers: Baldwin from Pitt was a first-rounder, McCluster will have 3 really good games each year, and TE Moeaki was injured in preseason last year.
wow. really? smith took them to the championship game the year before without as much talent. did kaepernick win the super bowl?
those weapons you mention for KC are laughable. mccluster 3 good games a year? well let's vote him to the pro bowl right now!
we have better receivers.
give it a rest.
wow. really? smith took them to the championship game the year before without as much talent. did kaepernick win the super bowl?
those weapons you mention for KC are laughable. mccluster 3 good games a year? well let's vote him to the pro bowl right now!
we have better receivers.
give it a rest.
Alex Smith blows and Harbargh has been trying to dump his ass ever since he got there. A lot of people seem to have fallen for his heartfelt story of being Wally Pipped. Kind of like how everybody's heartstrings yearned for Lady Quinn with a firm belief that he would lead the team to greatness because it was his destiny. A lot of people tend to fall for the heartfelt stories. But the real story here is that Harbaugh effed KC in the bunghole and he's probably happy to be rid of his backup QB. He is becoming the new Bill Bellicheck...propping up his dead weight players in the rumor mills and dumping them off on unsuspecting GMs for draft picks. Meanwhile Bill is fishing for a dumbshit to give him some picks for his coked-up Vanilla Ice Wanna-be backup QB too and it'll be interesting to see if anyone is stupid enough to fall for that one.
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but that's a problem within itself. if the ownership held strong and could endure the fan base screaming that they DON"T see marked improvement within the first 2 years of a 5 year plan, then why hire the guy/staff and give them the backing that you say you will?
hell, i'm sure butch davis if given the 5 years coulda made the browns a contender, the same with mangini.
what it really comes down to is $$. the more the fans scream that the team sucks and that they won't show up to games the less time these coaches and GMs have to instill their plan with their offense and defense and the players needed to run both.
when it comes down to it, we as fans are probably one of the main reasons why owners blow up coaching staffs and their ideals every 3 years.
if KC sucks next year it ain't gonna be because of alex smith. it will be because that no one in the previous 5 years hadn't solidified either line, didn't garner offensive weapons and the ownership didn't allow a HC and it's staff time to implement 'their' system.
Which begs the question: are some of these "miracle coaches" really as good as we've been led to believe? If Chud gets us to a 10 win season and the playoffs, is he a genius or is he just piggybacking off the solid corps of players his predecessors built? That's what I don't like about the NFL. Sometimes it's too hard to tell who's actually a good coach, who inherited a good team, and who is actually a shit coach.
is he a genius or is he just piggybacking off the solid corps of players
This shouldn't be a question in anyone's mind : If the new coach has the same players but achieves a significantly better record.. THE PREVIOUS COACH SUCKED.
#1 alltime example: Look at Ohio State's massive performance this past year, especially on the O-Line and contrast that with the prior decade of O-line suckage. What's the difference? COACHING. Bollman blows donkey balls, Warriner is talented.
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I know this is THE BROWNS BOARD but I noticed that thi sthread has a bunch of replies and no fighting or name calling. I could get used to this.
Some good posts here too. I would argue with the thought of the Chiefs making the playoffs this year though. The Browns will be getting that wildcard spot not the Chiefs. TRich said it and I believe it. Write it down, and bet it in vegas now.
I know this is THE BROWNS BOARD but I noticed that thi sthread has a bunch of replies and no fighting or name calling. I could get used to this.
Some good posts here too. I would argue with the thought of the Chiefs making the playoffs this year though. The Browns will be getting that wildcard spot not the Chiefs. TRich said it and I believe it. Write it down, and bet it in vegas now.
The Browns won't need the wild card spot. They will win the division!!
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but that's a problem within itself. if the ownership held strong and could endure the fan base screaming that they DON"T see marked improvement within the first 2 years of a 5 year plan, then why hire the guy/staff and give them the backing that you say you will?
hell, i'm sure butch davis if given the 5 years coulda made the browns a contender, the same with mangini.
what it really comes down to is $$. the more the fans scream that the team sucks and that they won't show up to games the less time these coaches and GMs have to instill their plan with their offense and defense and the players needed to run both.
when it comes down to it, we as fans are probably one of the main reasons why owners blow up coaching staffs and their ideals every 3 years.
if KC sucks next year it ain't gonna be because of alex smith. it will be because that no one in the previous 5 years hadn't solidified either line, didn't garner offensive weapons and the ownership didn't allow a HC and it's staff time to implement 'their' system.
Which begs the question: are some of these "miracle coaches" really as good as we've been led to believe? If Chud gets us to a 10 win season and the playoffs, is he a genius or is he just piggybacking off the solid corps of players his predecessors built? That's what I don't like about the NFL. Sometimes it's too hard to tell who's actually a good coach, who inherited a good team, and who is actually a shit coach.
Which begs the question: are some of these "miracle coaches" really as good as we've been led to believe? If Chud gets us to a 10 win season and the playoffs, is he a genius or is he just piggybacking off the solid corps of players his predecessors built? That's what I don't like about the NFL. Sometimes it's too hard to tell who's actually a good coach, who inherited a good team, and who is actually a shit coach.
RAC was a "miracle coach" took like a 5-12 team to 10-6....then went back to what we thought he was.
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wow. really? smith took them to the championship game the year before without as much talent. did kaepernick win the super bowl?
those weapons you mention for KC are laughable. mccluster 3 good games a year? well let's vote him to the pro bowl right now!
we have better receivers.
give it a rest.
Alex Smith blows and Harbargh has been trying to dump his ass ever since he got there. A lot of people seem to have fallen for his heartfelt story of being Wally Pipped. Kind of like how everybody's heartstrings yearned for Lady Quinn with a firm belief that he would lead the team to greatness because it was his destiny. A lot of people tend to fall for the heartfelt stories. But the real story here is that Harbaugh effed KC in the bunghole and he's probably happy to be rid of his backup QB. He is becoming the new Bill Bellicheck...propping up his dead weight players in the rumor mills and dumping them off on unsuspecting GMs for draft picks. Meanwhile Bill is fishing for a dumbshit to give him some picks for his coked-up Vanilla Ice Wanna-be backup QB too and it'll be interesting to see if anyone is stupid enough to fall for that one.
Alex Smith blows and Harbargh has been trying to dump his ass ever since he got there. A lot of people seem to have fallen for his heartfelt story of being Wally Pipped. Kind of like how everybody's heartstrings yearned for Lady Quinn with a firm belief that he would lead the team to greatness because it was his destiny. A lot of people tend to fall for the heartfelt stories. But the real story here is that Harbaugh effed KC in the bunghole and he's probably happy to be rid of his backup QB. He is becoming the new Bill Bellicheck...propping up his dead weight players in the rumor mills and dumping them off on unsuspecting GMs for draft picks. Meanwhile Bill is fishing for a dumbshit to give him some picks for his coked-up Vanilla Ice Wanna-be backup QB too and it'll be interesting to see if anyone is stupid enough to fall for that one.
I agree that BB does just what you say. That is why we really want no part of a trade for Ryan freeking Mallet.
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Yes, the Chiefs are idots. So are the Browns. That's why neither team has won a championship since the 60's.
The Chiefs haven't won a game by a QB they drafted since Todd Blackledge. Think about that.
If it wasn't for Marty Scottenheimer the last four decades would have been even much bleaker for these beleaguered franchises.
Zombo said:
Yes, the Chiefs are idots. So are the Browns. That's why neither team has won a championship since the 60's.
The Chiefs haven't won a game by a QB they drafted since Todd Blackledge. Think about that.
If it wasn't for Marty Scottenheimer the last four decades would have been even much bleaker for these beleaguered franchises.
If it wasnt for Martys ineptitude as a coach..we mightve been in a couple superbowls...but Martys vaunted prevent D,prevented that from happening...he made the same mistake everywhere hes been.
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Zombo said:
Yes, the Chiefs are idots. So are the Browns. That's why neither team has won a championship since the 60's.
The Chiefs haven't won a game by a QB they drafted since Todd Blackledge. Think about that.
If it wasn't for Marty Scottenheimer the last four decades would have been even much bleaker for these beleaguered franchises.
If it wasnt for Martys ineptitude as a coach..we mightve been in a couple superbowls...but Martys vaunted prevent D,prevented that from happening...he made the same mistake everywhere hes been.
If it wasnt for Martys ineptitude as a coach..we mightve been in a couple superbowls...but Martys vaunted prevent D,prevented that from happening...he made the same mistake everywhere hes been.
Inept Marty Took over a 1-7 team in Cleveland and made the playoffs the next four years, including three division championships and two trips to the AFC Championship.
Then inept Marty took over 4-11-1 Kansas City and led them to 9 straight winning seasons, including 7 playoff seasons and an AFC Championship appearance.
After one .500 season in Washington, inept Marty took over in San diego where they were coming off 1-15 and 5-11 seasons, and led them to three winning season, two playoff appearances and a 14-2 mark in their last season.
Since Marty left Cleveland he had two losing season in 16 years.
The Browns have had four winning seasons in 21 years since he left.
Yep, he didn't win the big one ... but I sure would take that brand of ineptness right about now.
Zombo
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If it wasnt for Martys ineptitude as a coach..we mightve been in a couple superbowls...but Martys vaunted prevent D,prevented that from happening...he made the same mistake everywhere hes been.
Inept Marty Took over a 1-7 team in Cleveland and made the playoffs the next four years, including three division championships and two trips to the AFC Championship.
Then inept Marty took over 4-11-1 Kansas City and led them to 9 straight winning seasons, including 7 playoff seasons and an AFC Championship appearance.
After one .500 season in Washington, inept Marty took over in San diego where they were coming off 1-15 and 5-11 seasons, and led them to three winning season, two playoff appearances and a 14-2 mark in their last season.
Since Marty left Cleveland he had two losing season in 16 years.
The Browns have had four winning seasons in 21 years since he left.
Yep, he didn't win the big one ... but I sure would take that brand of ineptness right about now.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Inept Marty Took over a 1-7 team in Cleveland and made the playoffs the next four years, including three division championships and two trips to the AFC Championship.
Then inept Marty took over 4-11-1 Kansas City and led them to 9 straight winning seasons, including 7 playoff seasons and an AFC Championship appearance.
After one .500 season in Washington, inept Marty took over in San diego where they were coming off 1-15 and 5-11 seasons, and led them to three winning season, two playoff appearances and a 14-2 mark in their last season.
Since Marty left Cleveland he had two losing season in 16 years.
The Browns have had four winning seasons in 21 years since he left.
Yep, he didn't win the big one ... but I sure would take that brand of ineptness right about now.
Zombo
I had enough of almost but not quite.
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marty and joe R. were responsible for the only good memories i have with the browns.
i'll never say anything bad about either one.
i guess marv levy really sucked the big one.
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