"solid Starters"
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Not according to TC. These guys will all be afraid of the snow and of their hair catching on fire from leftover sparks from the river burning 44 years ago. They will all have to come here and live in cardboard boxes in the ghetto, and they will all be afraid of drowning in that big lake that is just outside the stadium.
Yeah, three of those guys happen to be Greg Jennings, Connor Barwin and Mario Manningham.
You know... good players. Players that Cleveland hasn't seen in...ever.
You keep thinking Cleveland is this shining gem nestled on the shores of some glistening body of water. The rest of nation will continue to know that it's a dumpster on the shores of a cesspool.
You keep thinking Cleveland is this shining gem nestled on the shores of some glistening body of water. The rest of nation will continue to know that it's a dumpster on the shores of a cesspool.
I've been to Cleveland many times and would never classify it as a dumpster. Its truly one of my favorite places to visit, so much so that I'm trying to plan two trips back to Cleveland this season.
I can say this with absolute certainty. I'd rather hang out with the people from Cleveland than most of the people I come in contact with out here on a daily basis.
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You keep thinking Cleveland is this shining gem nestled on the shores of some glistening body of water. The rest of nation will continue to know that it's a dumpster on the shores of a cesspool.
I've been to Cleveland many times and would never classify it as a dumpster. Its truly one of my favorite places to visit, so much so that I'm trying to plan two trips back to Cleveland this season.
I can say this with absolute certainty. I'd rather hang out with the people from Cleveland than most of the people I come in contact with out here on a daily basis.
I've been to Cleveland many times and would never classify it as a dumpster. Its truly one of my favorite places to visit, so much so that I'm trying to plan two trips back to Cleveland this season.
I can say this with absolute certainty. I'd rather hang out with the people from Cleveland than most of the people I come in contact with out here on a daily basis.
The people of Cleveland & Ohio generally have solid, midwestern values. That's to be admired & respected. Thank you Mark.
Mike
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I've been to Cleveland many times and would never classify it as a dumpster. Its truly one of my favorite places to visit, so much so that I'm trying to plan two trips back to Cleveland this season.
I can say this with absolute certainty. I'd rather hang out with the people from Cleveland than most of the people I come in contact with out here on a daily basis.
The people of Cleveland & Ohio generally have solid, midwestern values. That's to be admired & respected. Thank you Mark.
Mike
The people of Cleveland & Ohio generally have solid, midwestern values. That's to be admired & respected. Thank you Mark.
Mike
The people were never in question, the city is what is the joke. It's in a constant state of disrepair.
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Not according to TC. These guys will all be afraid of the snow and of their hair catching on fire from leftover sparks from the river burning 44 years ago. They will all have to come here and live in cardboard boxes in the ghetto, and they will all be afraid of drowning in that big lake that is just outside the stadium.
Yeah, three of those guys happen to be Greg Jennings, Connor Barwin and Mario Manningham.
You know... good players. Players that Cleveland hasn't seen in...ever.
You keep thinking Cleveland is this shining gem nestled on the shores of some glistening body of water. The rest of nation will continue to know that it's a dumpster on the shores of a cesspool.
Yeah, three of those guys happen to be Greg Jennings, Connor Barwin and Mario Manningham.
You know... good players. Players that Cleveland hasn't seen in...ever.
You keep thinking Cleveland is this shining gem nestled on the shores of some glistening body of water. The rest of nation will continue to know that it's a dumpster on the shores of a cesspool.
If these guys don't want to come here it is because they have no faith in this organization being a winner. Ater changing GMs/Presidents/HCs every two years you can't necessarily blame them.
If the Browns were winning anything else would be meaningless. Winning and money are the only factors. Plain and simple. Anyone that believes otherwise is a fool.
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The people of Cleveland & Ohio generally have solid, midwestern values. That's to be admired & respected. Thank you Mark.
Mike
The people were never in question, the city is what is the joke. It's in a constant state of disrepair.
The people were never in question, the city is what is the joke. It's in a constant state of disrepair.
When is the last time you were here? 1979? It cannot have been in the last 20 years.
By the way....weren't you living in like Nags Head or the OBX somewhere? How did you get to Myrtle Beach?
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Players will only knock back certain cities if they aren't really sold on the team in the first place. Nobody would compare Pittsburg or Green Bay with Miami but they don't have to answer the same questions because the teams themselves are more successful.
The trouble the Browns have is they have neither a winning reputation nor a city on the beach so they might have to throw more money at some players, at least in the short term until the team looks a better proposition.
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It seems to me that what this front office has lacked since 1999 is that one or group of guys that can "sell a ketchup popsicle to a woman with white gloves". I promise you if some of them would challenge these players to come here some of them would. Ego is huge thing to these players. Let them know that their skills could be apart of the turn around and that will be something that will remain with them for the rest of their career and lives. I don't think the front office has really tapped into who these players are as men. While I understand that the lack of success coupled with a cold weather climate is a turn off...I fault the front office and coaching staffs of the past for not selling the point of them being apart of something special. Great teams that have come out of the cellar have done it in the past. The most recent....the New Orleans Saints. Say what you want about the bounty scandal but the front office, Sean Peyton, and his staff got together and put together a great team. Did they also do it with drafting well....sure did. However, selling that team to free agents must have been a challenge (A losing organization in a city that was ravaged by one of the worst hurricanes in U.S. history). So it can be done if the front office can talk to these guys the right way. Money of course helps but we've been sitting on 40 million for quite sometime. It will be challenging but it's not impossible.
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The best thing the Saints did was sell the dream to Drew Brees. If you can get a talisman figure to buy into the idea they'll put everything on the line for it and also make it easier to sell the dream to others
It's also about choosing the right guy to pitch the idea to. I don't see someone like Mike Wallace buying into a team idea and playing to achieve the common goals, where as maybe a Wes Welker would. Not saying the Browns would interest him but he seems to have more or the mentality needed to be successful.
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The best thing the Saints did was sell the dream to Drew Brees. If you can get a talisman figure to buy into the idea they'll put everything on the line for it and also make it easier to sell the dream to others
It's also about choosing the right guy to pitch the idea to. I don't see someone like Mike Wallace buying into a team idea and playing to achieve the common goals, where as maybe a Wes Welker would. Not saying the Browns would interest him but he seems to have more or the mentality needed to be successful.
The best thing the Saints did was sell the dream to Drew Brees. If you can get a talisman figure to buy into the idea they'll put everything on the line for it and also make it easier to sell the dream to others
It's also about choosing the right guy to pitch the idea to. I don't see someone like Mike Wallace buying into a team idea and playing to achieve the common goals, where as maybe a Wes Welker would. Not saying the Browns would interest him but he seems to have more or the mentality needed to be successful.
True but the point is...it has to start from somewhere.
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Yeah, three of those guys happen to be Greg Jennings, Connor Barwin and Mario Manningham.
You know... good players. Players that Cleveland hasn't seen in...ever.
You keep thinking Cleveland is this shining gem nestled on the shores of some glistening body of water. The rest of nation will continue to know that it's a dumpster on the shores of a cesspool.
If these guys don't want to come here it is because they have no faith in this organization being a winner. Ater changing GMs/Presidents/HCs every two years you can't necessarily blame them.
If the Browns were winning anything else would be meaningless. Winning and money are the only factors. Plain and simple. Anyone that believes otherwise is a fool.
If these guys don't want to come here it is because they have no faith in this organization being a winner. Ater changing GMs/Presidents/HCs every two years you can't necessarily blame them.
If the Browns were winning anything else would be meaningless. Winning and money are the only factors. Plain and simple. Anyone that believes otherwise is a fool.
We won't be a winner unless we get some FA talent, that's the point.
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Players will only knock back certain cities if they aren't really sold on the team in the first place. Nobody would compare Pittsburg or Green Bay with Miami but they don't have to answer the same questions because the teams themselves are more successful.
The trouble the Browns have is they have neither a winning reputation nor a city on the beach so they might have to throw more money at some players, at least in the short term until the team looks a better proposition.
Players will only knock back certain cities if they aren't really sold on the team in the first place. Nobody would compare Pittsburg or Green Bay with Miami but they don't have to answer the same questions because the teams themselves are more successful.
The trouble the Browns have is they have neither a winning reputation nor a city on the beach so they might have to throw more money at some players, at least in the short term until the team looks a better proposition.
Whattaya mean English Brown that Cleveland doesn't have a beach? There are some very nice beaches here.
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You know exactly what I mean but if you really need it spelling out it is that selling the city to someone from somewhere else is going to be easy regardless of the rubber museum...
I take that picture wasnt taken in November???
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If these guys don't want to come here it is because they have no faith in this organization being a winner. Ater changing GMs/Presidents/HCs every two years you can't necessarily blame them.
If the Browns were winning anything else would be meaningless. Winning and money are the only factors. Plain and simple. Anyone that believes otherwise is a fool.
We won't be a winner unless we get some FA talent, that's the point.
We won't be a winner unless we get some FA talent, that's the point.
A number of players on the Browns roster now are FAs. They got Parker (since released) and Rucker last year. Brandon Jacobs, Sheldon Brown, Ben Watson, Alex Smith, Fujita, Gocong, Usama Young...all I believe were acquired as FAs.
They WILL get some free agents. How many and how good will they be? Who knows.
So just getting FAs will not in and of itself cause them to win.
The players they have drafted over the years: Weeden, TR, Gordon, JT, Mack, The Schwartz, Lauvao, Pinkston, Benjamin, Little, Cameron, Rubin, The Sausage King, Winn, Taylor, DQ, Haden, TJ Ward, et al plus whomever they pick up this year will be the main cogs in them winning or not.
FAs will just serve to fill some gaps. In the past they have had FAs do OK at those gap filling. Hopefully they get some decent ones now. If Fujita and Gocong were superstar OLBs we wouldn't be so desperate at that position.
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You know exactly what I mean but if you really need it spelling out it is that selling the city to someone from somewhere else is going to be easy regardless of the rubber museum...
I take that picture wasnt taken in November???
You know exactly what I mean but if you really need it spelling out it is that selling the city to someone from somewhere else is going to be easy regardless of the rubber museum...
I take that picture wasnt taken in November???
I don't know. I think that Rubber Museum may just be the piece de resistance, n'est ce pas
And FYI, the water in Lake Erie in November is quite warm. Unlike most of the oceans and the larger great lakes, Lake Erie is shallow and warms up quicker. Believe it or not the water temperature there is much more pleasant sooner than the water at any time in the Pacific north of LA, and in the Atlantic north of Florida.
Of course, being shallow it cools down quicker...so though Lake Erie may be warm still in November, by the end of the month it would not be pleasant.
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All of that maybe true but the fact of the matter is Cleveland, rightly or wrongly, doesn't have the reputation as a top city to live in. A view which your own national media seem to enjoy re-enforcing every chance they get.
You seriously think telling a free agent that the temperature of Lake Erie in November is 'pleasant' is going to wash?
The bottom line is if you want top players your going to have to pay for it, possibly even more than a Miami might have to, so make sure when you target the guy your going to splash out on its a guy whose willing to buy into the spirit of what theyre trying to achieve, rather than someone who thinks is doing everyone a favor playing for Cleveland.
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All of that maybe true but the fact of the matter is Cleveland, rightly or wrongly, doesn't have the reputation as a top city to live in. A view which your own national media seem to enjoy re-enforcing every chance they get.
You seriously think telling a free agent that the temperature of Lake Erie in November is 'pleasant' is going to wash?
The bottom line is if you want top players your going to have to pay for it, possibly even more than a Miami might have to, so make sure when you target the guy your going to splash out on its a guy whose willing to buy into the spirit of what theyre trying to achieve, rather than someone who thinks is doing everyone a favor playing for Cleveland.
All of that maybe true but the fact of the matter is Cleveland, rightly or wrongly, doesn't have the reputation as a top city to live in. A view which your own national media seem to enjoy re-enforcing every chance they get.
On the contrary. Cleveland has an outstanding reputation as a city to live in. It does not have an outstanding reputation perhaps as a vacation destination. There is a hell of a difference.
That is why head to head it scored better than San Diego in 11 of 12 categories...better cost of living, less congested, less crime, less unemployment....even better sports teams...and several others. But San Diego has the great weather.....and that is all that some people can think about, including apparently you know who.
I think perhaps it would be like Liverpool compared to London or some other 'glamor spot" in the UK. To live and work and raise a family Liverpool may indeed be better than London. (I don't know, you would have to tell me if that is an apt statement).
You seriously think telling a free agent that the temperature of Lake Erie in November is 'pleasant' is going to wash?
No, my whole point was that a FA wouldn't care about such things. They would care about coaching and winning and getting paid a lot of money. TC seems to believe that all the peripheral BS is all a player cares about. I say they don't give a cabbage fart about that stuff, they car about what I just said.
The bottom line is if you want top players your going to have to pay for it, possibly even more than a Miami might have to, so make sure when you target the guy your going to splash out on its a guy whose willing to buy into the spirit of what theyre trying to achieve, rather than someone who thinks is doing everyone a favor playing for Cleveland.
A guy could get paid less in Cleveland, yet have more in the end than if he took more in Miami...because the cost of living in Miami, say, is so much more.
The one thing that attracts some of these players to Fla is no taxes. Florida is no fucking picnic. It is a big sweathole. I would 10 times rather spend a winter in Ohio than a summer in Florida. And Florida has slums as bad as any third world country.
But if you go there in the winter or spring the weather is nice.
To me (having lived there one summer) Florida is just a vacation destination, not a place to live. Both my sister and niece moved away from Florida to come back to live in Ohio.
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I'm not exactly sure what point your even trying to make at the minute but I think you would sit here typing all day and im getting a little bored. So here goes at a short version of my point of view and you can agree with it or not :-
Cleveland will probably have to pay over the odds for FA because they are BOTH in city that isn't universally appreciated, regardless of surveys on education etc, and because the team has a history of losing. If they do try to spend big, choose the guy on attitude as much as ability.
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I'm not exactly sure what point your even trying to make at the minute but I think you would sit here typing all day and im getting a little bored. So here goes at a short version of my point of view and you can agree with it or not :-
Cleveland will probably have to pay over the odds for FA because they are BOTH in city that isn't universally appreciated, regardless of surveys on education etc, and because the team has a history of losing. If they do try to spend big, choose the guy on attitude as much as ability.
I'm not exactly sure what point your even trying to make at the minute but I think you would sit here typing all day and im getting a little bored. So here goes at a short version of my point of view and you can agree with it or not :-
Cleveland will probably have to pay over the odds for FA because they are BOTH in city that isn't universally appreciated, regardless of surveys on education etc, and because the team has a history of losing. If they do try to spend big, choose the guy on attitude as much as ability.
I understand that education may occassionally be boring.
As to whether or not the Browns will have to "overpay" for FAs, no one knows. They will pay whatever price the market bears for the commodities they want.
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Obviously, our new Management Team has more credibility as shown by the hiring of Turner & Horton, 2 Coordinators who are well respected throughout the NFL, so SOMEBODY is already "selling the dream" here in Cleveland. I'm sure they were in demand in more spots than Cleveland. Just the addition of those 2 guys will improve our chances of signing quality FAs.
I believe in what is being done. It's fun to watch PROS work!
Mike
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