Official Free Agency Activity Thread
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Why are we getting rid of guys? This guy first perfectly. Winning and Hughes are depth.
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Zombo said:
Why are we getting rid of guys? This guy first perfectly. Winning and Hughes are depth.
Z
My point exactly. If we make moves and trade guys, it won't be until after we have seen what they can do in the 3-4 or if we get a great offer. People want to lean on Winn, but he was a 6th rounder, who knows what he can do. We know what Bryant can do and that is play as one of the better 3-4 DE in the league.
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Now what... We fill two of our biggest holes in the transition to the 3-4.
Do we look for a S or CB now in FA? Do we need another OLB and where would he come from, draft or FA?
These signings really have me questioning what we will do in the draft...
Do we grab Warmack or Milliner to fill one of our other two needs? Do we grab Geno (I hope not)? Are we still players for Jordan, Jones or Anzah? Maybe we go with Cordelle Patterson? Trade back and go after Tyler Eifert?
Gonna be an interesting rest of FA.
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We need a lot of DB help, and we have to go after a CB and FS in FA IMHO.
We could also use help at WR, TE, G, ILB, and more OLB help.
I still see at least one more big FA to fill one of those spots.
As for the draft, I'm still thinking J.Jones, D.Jordan, or D.Milliner. I just can't see drafting a G at #6. However, we may be able to trade down 2 spots w/ BUF since they NEED to make sure they get their QB, after cutting Fitzpatrick. Then we could look at Patterson or Warmack at #8.
Too early for all the speculating, but this is starting to get exciting!!
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Trade Rubin for picks while stock is high?
At what point is that a good idea? Winn and Hughes are unproven. Taylor/Rubin/Bryant is a fearsome DL group, the D had significant problems shutting down the run last year, and Rubin is still on a reasonable contract for a difference-maker at his position.
Hughes and Winn are both smaller in size than Rubin and Bryant, and neither have played in the 3-4 in the pros.. so we can't say conclusively that both will be good. I want them to succeed, I hope they're great.. but we can't confirm that today.
Good pickup by the Browns FO: It will allow Hughes/Winn another year+ to learn the pro game.
Also: Did the browns shut down the run on any 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1 last year? I can remember exactly zero times, and someone proposes we trade away one of our starting DT's when we have a need to improve our run defense? Bad idea. Yes, Rubin's value is high -- because he is good, and we should keep him for the same reason.
Another problem with the idea of "making a trade" is that there's always the magical fantasy that we will receive equal value in return. That almost never happens. Bill Simmons has a term for it.. the pu-pu platter.
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We need a lot of DB help, and we have to go after a CB and FS in FA IMHO.
We could also use help at WR, TE, G, ILB, and more OLB help.
I still see at least one more big FA to fill one of those spots.
As for the draft, I'm still thinking J.Jones, D.Jordan, or D.Milliner. I just can't see drafting a G at #6. However, we may be able to trade down 2 spots w/ BUF since they NEED to make sure they get their QB, after cutting Fitzpatrick. Then we could look at Patterson or Warmack at #8.
Too early for all the speculating, but this is starting to get exciting!!
We need a lot of DB help, and we have to go after a CB and FS in FA IMHO.
We could also use help at WR, TE, G, ILB, and more OLB help.
I still see at least one more big FA to fill one of those spots.
As for the draft, I'm still thinking J.Jones, D.Jordan, or D.Milliner. I just can't see drafting a G at #6. However, we may be able to trade down 2 spots w/ BUF since they NEED to make sure they get their QB, after cutting Fitzpatrick. Then we could look at Patterson or Warmack at #8.
Too early for all the speculating, but this is starting to get exciting!!
Also need a kicker and hopefully a new punter.
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We need a lot of DB help, and we have to go after a CB and FS in FA IMHO.
We could also use help at WR, TE, G, ILB, and more OLB help.
I still see at least one more big FA to fill one of those spots.
As for the draft, I'm still thinking J.Jones, D.Jordan, or D.Milliner. I just can't see drafting a G at #6. However, we may be able to trade down 2 spots w/ BUF since they NEED to make sure they get their QB, after cutting Fitzpatrick. Then we could look at Patterson or Warmack at #8.
Too early for all the speculating, but this is starting to get exciting!!
We need a lot of DB help, and we have to go after a CB and FS in FA IMHO.
We could also use help at WR, TE, G, ILB, and more OLB help.
I still see at least one more big FA to fill one of those spots.
As for the draft, I'm still thinking J.Jones, D.Jordan, or D.Milliner. I just can't see drafting a G at #6. However, we may be able to trade down 2 spots w/ BUF since they NEED to make sure they get their QB, after cutting Fitzpatrick. Then we could look at Patterson or Warmack at #8.
Too early for all the speculating, but this is starting to get exciting!!
So you won't pick Warmack at 6 but you will at 8?? With the rookie pay scale now they would make about the same. I'm not saying we should pick warmack(although I'm not against it) but I just don't understand that kind of logic
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We need a lot of DB help, and we have to go after a CB and FS in FA IMHO.
We could also use help at WR, TE, G, ILB, and more OLB help.
I still see at least one more big FA to fill one of those spots.
As for the draft, I'm still thinking J.Jones, D.Jordan, or D.Milliner. I just can't see drafting a G at #6. However, we may be able to trade down 2 spots w/ BUF since they NEED to make sure they get their QB, after cutting Fitzpatrick. Then we could look at Patterson or Warmack at #8.
Too early for all the speculating, but this is starting to get exciting!!
So you won't pick Warmack at 6 but you will at 8?? With the rookie pay scale now they would make about the same. I'm not saying we should pick warmack(although I'm not against it) but I just don't understand that kind of logic
So you won't pick Warmack at 6 but you will at 8?? With the rookie pay scale now they would make about the same. I'm not saying we should pick warmack(although I'm not against it) but I just don't understand that kind of logic
The logic is that you would accept taking a Guard at the beginning of the draft if you had the ability to trade back a few spots and pick up some extra picks to do so. Otherwise you look to a more important position.
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and from what i'm reading that means sheard or rubin might be on the trading block, which i don't like at all.
stock piling LBs makes me think we'll go another direction with our first pick in the draft.
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and from what i'm reading that means sheard or rubin might be on the trading block, which i don't like at all.
stock piling LBs makes me think we'll go another direction with our first pick in the draft.
called rubin trade last night everyone acted like I was crazy. Pretty obvious when u think about itand from what i'm reading that means sheard or rubin might be on the trading block, which i don't like at all.
stock piling LBs makes me think we'll go another direction with our first pick in the draft.
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Nice pickup! If we sign a CB I am going to predict that we are going QB in the draft. There are still plenty of CB out there so my guess is we will sign one. If so it makes sense that they would either be looking at a QB or trading back and then taking a QB later. But I have a feeling that somebody in the front office might have a thing for Geno Smith.
“The Wait Is Over, The Browns Will Be In The Playoffs This Year!" -
Rubin and Sheard are staying. No need to start rumors.
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So you won't pick Warmack at 6 but you will at 8?? With the rookie pay scale now they would make about the same. I'm not saying we should pick warmack(although I'm not against it) but I just don't understand that kind of logic
The logic is that you would accept taking a Guard at the beginning of the draft if you had the ability to trade back a few spots and pick up some extra picks to do so. Otherwise you look to a more important position.
The logic is that you would accept taking a Guard at the beginning of the draft if you had the ability to trade back a few spots and pick up some extra picks to do so. Otherwise you look to a more important position.
Exactly... Warmack plus picks >> Warmack
Pretty simple IMO
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Nice pickup! If we sign a CB I am going to predict that we are going QB in the draft. There are still plenty of CB out there so my guess is we will sign one. If so it makes sense that they would either be looking at a QB or trading back and then taking a QB later. But I have a feeling that somebody in the front office might have a thing for Geno Smith.
Nice pickup! If we sign a CB I am going to predict that we are going QB in the draft. There are still plenty of CB out there so my guess is we will sign one. If so it makes sense that they would either be looking at a QB or trading back and then taking a QB later. But I have a feeling that somebody in the front office might have a thing for Geno Smith.
Whether or not we get a CB it scares me that we bring in 2 OLBs when there are so many good ones at the top of the draft. Seems like we may be thinking about offense at 6 (Warmack, Geno, Coradelle)
#Justsayin' -
Everyone needs to calm down with the trade talk. We just signed a back up OLB. How in the hell does that tell you that we are trading Sheard. I don't understand how everyone assumes that every depth signing or every 6th round pick is supposed to be the new Cleveland superstar. Depth signing and nothing more.
Also notice how other good teams operate. Steelers and Ravens have been good because they have depth, the can rotate players. You want to trade away our second string players so that we can't rotate anyone. How does that make sense?
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and from what i'm reading that means sheard or rubin might be on the trading block, which i don't like at all.
stock piling LBs makes me think we'll go another direction with our first pick in the draft.
and from what i'm reading that means sheard or rubin might be on the trading block, which i don't like at all.
stock piling LBs makes me think we'll go another direction with our first pick in the draft.
Right. With the acquisitions of Kruger/Bryant/Groves, and with Rubin/Taylor/Sheard/Hughes/Winn/DQ/Gocong etc. still on the roster this team seems like it has its front 7 personell under hand.
So, maybe the Browns will go for their DB needs in the draft. Though the only guy that is rated high enough for the #6 pick is Milliner, and he may not be there at 6. If not, maybe a trade down to pick up that OG.
Let's face it: Despite Ghoolie's protests to the contrary a football team is make or break in the trenches. If they got Warmack then the Browns trenches could be looking like the Battle of the Marne or something.
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