Browns Sign Owens
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Haden is a top 3 corner and Millner is considered a shutdown corner out the gate.
Again, ask Philly how having two good corners and no pass rush worked.
Again, ask Philly how having two good corners and no pass rush worked.
Exactly. How can it be disputed that having a good secondary means nothing without pressure on the QB. When your QB has 8 seconds in the pocket, you WILL get open. I don't care if you have Haden, Milliner, Revis, and Sherman in coverage, you HAVE to get to the QB!!! When you improve your pass rush, you improve your secondary. Period.
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This draft is FILLED with outstanding edge pass rushers, get one!!!!!
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Again, ask Philly how having two good corners and no pass rush worked.
Exactly. How can it be disputed that having a good secondary means nothing without pressure on the QB. When your QB has 8 seconds in the pocket, you WILL get open. I don't care if you have Haden, Milliner, Revis, and Sherman in coverage, you HAVE to get to the QB!!! When you improve your pass rush, you improve your secondary. Period.
Exactly. How can it be disputed that having a good secondary means nothing without pressure on the QB. When your QB has 8 seconds in the pocket, you WILL get open. I don't care if you have Haden, Milliner, Revis, and Sherman in coverage, you HAVE to get to the QB!!! When you improve your pass rush, you improve your secondary. Period.
I agree, but didn't we address this already?
Luck is Tim Couch. Big, Dumb Goofy, slow thinking QB - Ghoolie, 2-28-12 -
Yeah I mean with Sheard,Kruger and Groves you'd think we are set at OLB.. like it or not.
Jauron ran a vanilla D that didn't blitz much and Horton will have a D aimed to confuse and sending 1-2 guys 50% of the time so we should see more pressure by default.
I think Haden will have another year like his rookie year 5+ ints.
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Yeah I mean with Sheard,Kruger and Groves you'd think we are set at OLB.. like it or not.
Jauron ran a vanilla D that didn't blitz much and Horton will have a D aimed to confuse and sending 1-2 guys 50% of the time so we should see more pressure by default.
I think Haden will have another year like his rookie year 5+ ints.
Yeah I mean with Sheard,Kruger and Groves you'd think we are set at OLB.. like it or not.
Jauron ran a vanilla D that didn't blitz much and Horton will have a D aimed to confuse and sending 1-2 guys 50% of the time so we should see more pressure by default.
I think Haden will have another year like his rookie year 5+ ints.
Well, it's my opinion but I disagree that we are set at LB. I think we are only set at DL. This Owens character is said to be a good back, so I would argue we are more set at DB right now than LB. With sheard and even Kruger still somewhat ?'s, I think you still have to improve there. I do agree that our scheme will change tremendously (hopefully) and that will help, but I still put LB at a bigger need
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Exactly. How can it be disputed that having a good secondary means nothing without pressure on the QB. When your QB has 8 seconds in the pocket, you WILL get open. I don't care if you have Haden, Milliner, Revis, and Sherman in coverage, you HAVE to get to the QB!!! When you improve your pass rush, you improve your secondary. Period.
I agree, but didn't we address this already?
I agree, but didn't we address this already?
Still keeps coming up? Don't ask me
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Yeah I mean with Sheard,Kruger and Groves you'd think we are set at OLB.. like it or not.
Jauron ran a vanilla D that didn't blitz much and Horton will have a D aimed to confuse and sending 1-2 guys 50% of the time so we should see more pressure by default.
I think Haden will have another year like his rookie year 5+ ints.
Well, it's my opinion but I disagree that we are set at LB. I think we are only set at DL. This Owens character is said to be a good back, so I would argue we are more set at DB right now than LB. With sheard and even Kruger still somewhat ?'s, I think you still have to improve there. I do agree that our scheme will change tremendously (hopefully) and that will help, but I still put LB at a bigger need
Well, it's my opinion but I disagree that we are set at LB. I think we are only set at DL. This Owens character is said to be a good back, so I would argue we are more set at DB right now than LB. With sheard and even Kruger still somewhat ?'s, I think you still have to improve there. I do agree that our scheme will change tremendously (hopefully) and that will help, but I still put LB at a bigger need
I agree Sheard and Kruger are still unproven at OLB but we just paid Kruger and Sheard as a 2nd rounder going into his third season, so if he's gonna be a backup..I'm not ready to chalk up that loss yet.
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Yeah I mean with Sheard,Kruger and Groves you'd think we are set at OLB.. like it or not.
Jauron ran a vanilla D that didn't blitz much and Horton will have a D aimed to confuse and sending 1-2 guys 50% of the time so we should see more pressure by default.
I think Haden will have another year like his rookie year 5+ ints.
Yeah I mean with Sheard,Kruger and Groves you'd think we are set at OLB.. like it or not.
Jauron ran a vanilla D that didn't blitz much and Horton will have a D aimed to confuse and sending 1-2 guys 50% of the time so we should see more pressure by default.
I think Haden will have another year like his rookie year 5+ ints.
At best, Groves is a rotational player that will split time with Sheard and Kruger at OLB.
We're still lacking at the ILB spot opposite Jackson. I'm not ready to anoint JMJ the full time starter there, and I doubt the FO is either.
As of today, our starting LB's consist of: a guy who's never played OLB, a guy who's had barely a full season of starts and has been primarily a pass rush specialist, a second year player with barely any productivity and a guy who's had multiple pectoral injuries in consecutive seasons.
To me, I think that's a more glaring need than finding a second cornerback.
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I wouldn't be upset if they took Milliner but I'd rather take Warmack.
Trent Richardson
"They told me I better be in the best shape ever. They told me they’re gonna run the shoes off of me. They’re gonna pass me the ball more. … They’re going to do whatever they can … and they want me to be a leader for this team. Voice-wise, they want me to lead the group. They want me to get on that horse, man. They want me to be that stallion that’s gonna take this program to another level. They’re putting all this stress on me and all this faith in me, man, and so I know what my job is. I know what I gotta do."
So like I say, Warmack may not be the popular or even wisest choice but if Richardson is going to be the player we all hope he is we should do all we can to put the best players around him.
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Having Milliner and Haden with no pass rush will have as much effect as Philly having Samuel and Asomugha with no pass rush.
Having two good corners does nothing if we ask them to cover for 5-7 seconds per play.
It's dumb logic, and most people who want it just want to be able to say "the Browns have the best cornerback duo in the entire league".
Personally, I'd rather say "The Browns are in the playoffs this year".
Having Milliner and Haden with no pass rush will have as much effect as Philly having Samuel and Asomugha with no pass rush.
Having two good corners does nothing if we ask them to cover for 5-7 seconds per play.
It's dumb logic, and most people who want it just want to be able to say "the Browns have the best cornerback duo in the entire league".
Personally, I'd rather say "The Browns are in the playoffs this year".
This is why I say take the BPA in the position of need.
Say Milliner's draft grades are higher than say Jones or any other pass rusher (and our scouting dept agrees) do you take him?
Personally I would.
This team isn't one player away from a playoff team yet. But when we do get the front seven straightened out we will potentially have a solid secondary already in place. Either way you look at it something has a hole. But If we can nail the draft this year like Indy did last year we are a wildcard team without a doubt.
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Having Milliner and Haden with no pass rush will have as much effect as Philly having Samuel and Asomugha with no pass rush.
Having two good corners does nothing if we ask them to cover for 5-7 seconds per play.
It's dumb logic, and most people who want it just want to be able to say "the Browns have the best cornerback duo in the entire league".
Personally, I'd rather say "The Browns are in the playoffs this year".
This is why I say take the BPA in the position of need.
Say Milliner's draft grades are higher than say Jones or any other pass rusher (and our scouting dept agrees) do you take him?
Personally I would.
This team isn't one player away from a playoff team yet. But when we do get the front seven straightened out we will potentially have a solid secondary already in place. Either way you look at it something has a hole. But If we can nail the draft this year like Indy did last year we are a wildcard team without a doubt.
This is why I say take the BPA in the position of need.
Say Milliner's draft grades are higher than say Jones or any other pass rusher (and our scouting dept agrees) do you take him?
Personally I would.
This team isn't one player away from a playoff team yet. But when we do get the front seven straightened out we will potentially have a solid secondary already in place. Either way you look at it something has a hole. But If we can nail the draft this year like Indy did last year we are a wildcard team without a doubt.
I honestly think they're capable of winning the division, I know it seems homerish but I definitely didn't feel that way in years past.
When Shurmur was hired I pointed out he was the OC to a 7-9 team and bottom 3 offense in the league, I knew it would be bad from the start and didn't have any high hopes on that.
Chud is the first good coaching hire in a long time, and now we finally have a proven OC in Norv and a proven DC in Horton. I definitely like this team.
Say what you want about Banner, but he built the Eagles to be consistent contenders and I believe that's what he will do with the Browns. there will certainly be some roster moves that will annoy many, but there will be more good decisions than bad and that's the key.
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Zombo said:
Nickle and dime competition.
Could be our new gunner.
Zombo
Both C.O. (like that?) and K3 are essentially special teams/backups from what I can tell.
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