Dawson To 49Ers
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That's right- what Mike said. Only thing similar between LeBron and Dawson is they left to win. Everything else is a horse of a different color. I'm sure you just love it when the rare Michigan born HS stud heads south to play for Ohio State. Multiply that by a factor of 100, and you'll get the general idea of how people in Cleveland felt when the hometown boy took his talents to South Beach, and spit in our face on National TV.
It would be far easier to forget about the betrayal if James wasn't from Ohio- in fact it wouldn't even have been called that- just another Superstar moving on for a bigger payday. The Indians wrote a book on that type of scenario- there were two ex-Indians pitching against one another in a World Series not so long ago.
FYI, if it weren't for the people from Ohio that are associated with Michigan football, that team would be on about the level of Indiana or Purdue.
FYI, if it weren't for the people from Ohio that are associated with Michigan football, that team would be on about the level of Indiana or Purdue.
Then do a better job keeping talent in your state...
or don't knock us for recruiting in more than just our state
or offer the recruits more free cars, money and tattoos.... and then get a coach that can lie about it better
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
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FYI, if it weren't for the people from Ohio that are associated with Michigan football, that team would be on about the level of Indiana or Purdue.
Then do a better job keeping talent in your state...
or don't knock us for recruiting in more than just our state
or offer the recruits more free cars, money and tattoos.... and then get a coach that can lie about it better
Then do a better job keeping talent in your state...
or don't knock us for recruiting in more than just our state
or offer the recruits more free cars, money and tattoos.... and then get a coach that can lie about it better
They do keep the best talent in state. Only the dregs go to Michigan.
Dregs R US
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Stay in Michigan Woody. The toilet of the USA.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
I am from Strongsville, suburb of Clevland. Outside of school, I've lived their my whole life. I have been a fan of Cleveland sports since I was a kid. I worked an internship last summer at a company on St Claire. I'd like to try to have a career here if I can find a good enough opportunity. I definitely don't "hate" Cleveland...
I could care less about CSU sports, as I'm guessing most users on this board don't either. I don't think Case has any sports.
You are too young to remember Cleveland State's run to the Sweet 16. Until yesteday with Florida Gulf Coast CSU was the lowest seed ever to make it to the Sweet 16.
Mouse McFadden, Clinton Smith, Eric Mudd. Coached by Kevin Mackey. And if it were not for the refs allowing David Robinson to commit foul after foul on CSU players by going over the back for rebounds and charging every time he went to the basket (fouls not called) CSU would have made it to the Elite 8. They lost by only 2 points to Navy.
I am a fan of the Cavs, the NBA has just never been a main league for me to follow.
I hate baseball and could care less about the MLB.
I think it is ridiculous that people burned Lebron's jersey. I think it made Cleveland sports fans look like idiots. I think the fact people actually think he "betrayed" us is laughable. Just because Lebron was from the area doesn't mean he owed anything to this team or city. Our owner didn't put enough around him to get him to stay, that's the owners fault. The NBA is a business, he left to further his and to win. He had every right to leave. If he didn't then contracts would be life long.
What LeBron did was violate an oath that he made to the people of this area. He made a specific promise to "do everything in my power to bring a championship to Cleveland".
Maybe an oath, a promise like that means nothing to you or your generation where honesty and honor are just things to pay lip service to. But, to many of us, a promise, an oath like that is a sacred thing.
And you also have no clue what you are talking about. Dan Gilbert asked LeBron to help him to recruit Chris Bosh to play for the Cavs. LeBron either refused to do that, or put absolutely no effort into it. LeBron basically let Bosh lead him by the nose, when it should have been the other way around.
You are too young to remember Cleveland State's run to the Sweet 16. Until yesteday with Florida Gulf Coast CSU was the lowest seed ever to make it to the Sweet 16.
Mouse McFadden, Clinton Smith, Eric Mudd. Coached by Kevin Mackey. And if it were not for the refs allowing David Robinson to commit foul after foul on CSU players by going over the back for rebounds and charging every time he went to the basket (fouls not called) CSU would have made it to the Elite 8. They lost by only 2 points to Navy.
Remembering one bball team CSU had doesn't make you a fan of Cleveland college sports. Like I said, most people aren't and you don't need to be to be a "Cleveland fan"
What LeBron did was violate an oath that he made to the people of this area. He made a specific promise to "do everything in my power to bring a championship to Cleveland".
Maybe an oath, a promise like that means nothing to you or your generation where honesty and honor are just things to pay lip service to. But, to many of us, a promise, an oath like that is a sacred thing.
And you also have no clue what you are talking about. Dan Gilbert asked LeBron to help him to recruit Chris Bosh to play for the Cavs. LeBron either refused to do that, or put absolutely no effort into it. LeBron basically let Bosh lead him by the nose, when it should have been the other way around.
Oh yes, here we go. "Kids these days" "Your generation" BLAH BLAH BLAH
Shove it up your ass.
How about I am just a realist? I realize that the NBA is a business. Lebron didn't sign away his soul because he told his hometown team he was going to do whatever he could to win. Also, if you watched those games, he basically did. He couldn't get enough talent around him and it seemed like a lost cause. He played ou his contract and he left for somewhere where he could increase his brand. I am fine with that.
Sure I wanted him to stay. But I wasn't going to burn his jersey after he left and I'm not gonna hold a life long grudge like some 12 year old girl.
How do you know Lebron refused to recruit Bosh or that he didn't try? Maybe he tried a bunch but Bosh just wasn't interested in playing in Cleveland. Maybe our genius owner (the one that wrote the letter ripping on Lebron and basically making no FA ever want to come here) didn't put enough of HIS eggs in the basket when recruiting Bosh and offering a deal.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Then do a better job keeping talent in your state...
or don't knock us for recruiting in more than just our state
or offer the recruits more free cars, money and tattoos.... and then get a coach that can lie about it better
They do keep the best talent in state. Only the dregs go to Michigan.
Dregs R US
They do keep the best talent in state. Only the dregs go to Michigan.
Dregs R US
Two Heisman winners?
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Stay in Michigan Woody. The toilet of the USA.
Stay in Michigan Woody. The toilet of the USA.
From the Cleveland area and I am working in Columbus right now... so...
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
You are too young to remember Cleveland State's run to the Sweet 16. Until yesteday with Florida Gulf Coast CSU was the lowest seed ever to make it to the Sweet 16.
Mouse McFadden, Clinton Smith, Eric Mudd. Coached by Kevin Mackey. And if it were not for the refs allowing David Robinson to commit foul after foul on CSU players by going over the back for rebounds and charging every time he went to the basket (fouls not called) CSU would have made it to the Elite 8. They lost by only 2 points to Navy.
Remembering one bball team CSU had doesn't make you a fan of Cleveland college sports. Like I said, most people aren't and you don't need to be to be a "Cleveland fan"
What LeBron did was violate an oath that he made to the people of this area. He made a specific promise to "do everything in my power to bring a championship to Cleveland".
Maybe an oath, a promise like that means nothing to you or your generation where honesty and honor are just things to pay lip service to. But, to many of us, a promise, an oath like that is a sacred thing.
And you also have no clue what you are talking about. Dan Gilbert asked LeBron to help him to recruit Chris Bosh to play for the Cavs. LeBron either refused to do that, or put absolutely no effort into it. LeBron basically let Bosh lead him by the nose, when it should have been the other way around.
Oh yes, here we go. "Kids these days" "Your generation" BLAH BLAH BLAH
Shove it up your ass.
How about I am just a realist? I realize that the NBA is a business. Lebron didn't sign away his soul because he told his hometown team he was going to do whatever he could to win. Also, if you watched those games, he basically did. He couldn't get enough talent around him and it seemed like a lost cause. He played ou his contract and he left for somewhere where he could increase his brand. I am fine with that.
Sure I wanted him to stay. But I wasn't going to burn his jersey after he left and I'm not gonna hold a life long grudge like some 12 year old girl.
How do you know Lebron refused to recruit Bosh or that he didn't try? Maybe he tried a bunch but Bosh just wasn't interested in playing in Cleveland. Maybe our genius owner (the one that wrote the letter ripping on Lebron and basically making no FA ever want to come here) didn't put enough of HIS eggs in the basket when recruiting Bosh and offering a deal.
Remembering one bball team CSU had doesn't make you a fan of Cleveland college sports. Like I said, most people aren't and you don't need to be to be a "Cleveland fan"
Oh yes, here we go. "Kids these days" "Your generation" BLAH BLAH BLAH
Shove it up your ass.
OK, so? I take it by your reaction that having honor and keeping promises is a character trait you have no use for? Is that what they teach at Meeshagun? No wonder it deserves disparagement.
How about I am just a realist?
Then apparently your realism is a world of dishonor. Given your own apparent acceptance of that I can only assume you too lack that kind of honorable character.
I realize that the NBA is a business. Lebron didn't sign away his soul because he told his hometown team he was going to do whatever he could to win. Also, if you watched those games, he basically did. He couldn't get enough talent around him and it seemed like a lost cause. He played ou his contract and he left for somewhere where he could increase his brand. I am fine with that.
Sure I wanted him to stay. But I wasn't going to burn his jersey after he left and I'm not gonna hold a life long grudge like some 12 year old girl.
I don't hold a grudge like a 12 year old girl. I hold a grudge like a Mafia Don.
I just don't act on it like a Mafia Don would. My sense of honor says that wouldn't be right.
How do you know Lebron refused to recruit Bosh or that he didn't try? Maybe he tried a bunch but Bosh just wasn't interested in playing in Cleveland. Maybe our genius owner (the one that wrote the letter ripping on Lebron and basically making no FA ever want to come here) didn't put enough of HIS eggs in the basket when recruiting Bosh and offering a deal.
How do I know? Because it was reported all over the place at the time.
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Stay in Michigan Woody. The toilet of the USA.
From the Cleveland area and I am working in Columbus right now... so...
From the Cleveland area and I am working in Columbus right now... so...
Columbus is Buckeye Territory. You will be converted.
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From the Cleveland area and I am working in Columbus right now... so...
Columbus is Buckeye Territory. You will be converted.
Columbus is Buckeye Territory. You will be converted.
hahahahah
You realize I go to school at Michigan while having grown up around OSU fans, right?
I think I'll be ok
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Yes Gipper...
I'm just a damn, dishonorable kid from this damn generation.
With their mobile phones, drug use and rock and roll
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Remembering one bball team CSU had doesn't make you a fan of Cleveland college sports. Like I said, most people aren't and you don't need to be to be a "Cleveland fan"
What else would you like to know about Cleveland area college sports? You asked specifically about CSU, and I gave you the top remembrance of that sport. I can also tell you that CSU had several NBA players. Franklin Edwards, first round draft pick, played at CSU when I was going to law school there. Darren Tillis, another first rounder played a couple of years later. Clinton Smith. The aforementioned Mouse McFadden. Norris Cole, current point guard for the Miami Heat is from CSU. And technically, so was Manute Bol. He transferred in, but never played here.
Then we can turn to Akron U. When I was young I watched Bobby Smith play. He then played some for the Goodyear Wingfoots, which also gave us guys like Larry Brown and others.
FYI, the Goodyear Wingfoots were a member of the NBL, forerunner of the NBA. They actually have had a continued existance as a semi-professional team since 1918...the oldest pro basketball team in the country.
Then there were the likes of Billy Turner and Lenny Paul when I went to school there. Turner played 5 years in the NBA.
Then there is football. Don Shula...heard of him? John Carroll grad.
If you saw my trivia one of the questions was who holds the NFL record for most fumble returns for TD. That would be Jason Taylor. Akron graduate.
Then I could recite the National Championships won by Baldwin-Wallace at the D-III level. And of course don't forget Mt. Union. One of the greatest football histories of any program at any level. Too bad the Browns couldn't pick up Pierre Garcon...Mt. Union grad.
And how about this for a tie-in: The very first Rock n' Roll Concert ever held, and the very first Cleveland Cavaliers game were held in the very same place: The Cleveland Arena. Which, by the way, prior to that served as the home of the NBA Cleveland Rebels....and also the Cincinnati Royals played a number of home games there before moving on.
Any more Cleveland sports stories? (hell, I didn't even talk about the Browns/Indians)
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Yes Gipper...
I'm just a damn, dishonorable kid from this damn generation.
With their mobile phones, drug use and rock and roll
Yes Gipper...
I'm just a damn, dishonorable kid from this damn generation.
With their mobile phones, drug use and rock and roll
Its not your use of mobile phones and drugs and rock n roll that is at issue (hell, I probably did more drugs than you....and listened to a hell of a lot more rock n roll).
It is your character, honesty, and trustworthiness that is at issue.
Or maybe you are OK with all that its just that are willing to overlook those flaws in others.
If so, then don't complain about getting screwed. And certainly don't complain about some rival team that may commit some rules violation. You are saying that you approve of that sort of thing, from what I hear.
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Yes Gipper...
I'm just a damn, dishonorable kid from this damn generation.
With their mobile phones, drug use and rock and roll
Its not your use of mobile phones and drugs and rock n roll that is at issue (hell, I probably did more drugs than you....and listened to a hell of a lot more rock n roll).
It is your character, honesty, and trustworthiness that is at issue.
Or maybe you are OK with all that its just that are willing to overlook those flaws in others.
If so, then don't complain about getting screwed. And certainly don't complain about some rival team that may commit some rules violation. You are saying that you approve of that sort of thing, from what I hear.
Its not your use of mobile phones and drugs and rock n roll that is at issue (hell, I probably did more drugs than you....and listened to a hell of a lot more rock n roll).
It is your character, honesty, and trustworthiness that is at issue.
Or maybe you are OK with all that its just that are willing to overlook those flaws in others.
If so, then don't complain about getting screwed. And certainly don't complain about some rival team that may commit some rules violation. You are saying that you approve of that sort of thing, from what I hear.
Oh my god I give up...
Lebron broke the rules now? Some how leaving when his contract expired equates to breaking NCAA rules then lying to the NCAA?
I don't even know anymore...
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
The hate for Lebron is just regurgitated disappointment.
Disappointment we never win in Cleveland,disappointment the hometown guy doesn't even like the hometowns teams and doesn't even consider Cleveland his hometown.
Disappointed that as good as a player he is he doesn't have the loyal,blue collar personality we wish he had.
He always hated Cleveland,never wanted to play for Cleveland.
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Its not your use of mobile phones and drugs and rock n roll that is at issue (hell, I probably did more drugs than you....and listened to a hell of a lot more rock n roll).
It is your character, honesty, and trustworthiness that is at issue.
Or maybe you are OK with all that its just that are willing to overlook those flaws in others.
If so, then don't complain about getting screwed. And certainly don't complain about some rival team that may commit some rules violation. You are saying that you approve of that sort of thing, from what I hear.
Oh my god I give up...
Lebron broke the rules now? Some how leaving when his contract expired equates to breaking NCAA rules then lying to the NCAA?
I don't even know anymore...
Oh my god I give up...
Lebron broke the rules now? Some how leaving when his contract expired equates to breaking NCAA rules then lying to the NCAA?
I don't even know anymore...
Are you sure you are a college kid, and not in reform school, what with your reading comprehension issues? I never said LeBron broke any rules...he just broke his oath.
(read my post...in it I refer to "rival team". Any clue in that for you?)
My point is that if you wish to overlook and tolerate that a man violates his solemn oath and promise, then you CANNOT be heard to complain if some rival school breaks some rules. You no further have any cause to complain about ANY wrongdoing.
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