Colt Mccoy
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You spend a seventh round pick on taking a flier on a some NFL prospect that might stick in the NFL. You don't trade a QB with vast untapped potential and someone who is a leader in the locker room, a team representative, someone who has more upside than any other player at the position on your team... for a seventh round pick. That's just as absurd as asking for a first round pick for him. Get my drift?
You spend a seventh round pick on taking a flier on a some NFL prospect that might stick in the NFL. You don't trade a QB with vast untapped potential and someone who is a leader in the locker room, a team representative, someone who has more upside than any other player at the position on your team... for a seventh round pick. That's just as absurd as asking for a first round pick for him. Get my drift?
Please elaborate on this "potential" you speak of. Technically, anybody has the "potential" to be anything.
Just like I could potentially be a giant, shit-breathing, dick-shaped lizard, Colt McCoy could potentially be an NFL starting QB. I'll grant you that.
But to realistically speak of someone's potential in sports, they would have had to have shown flashes of something, which McCoy hasn't done.
You say McCoy has Brees-like potential. Okay, I'll bite:
-Brees holds the record for average YPG with 342.3.
-McCoy has broken the 300 yard mark exactly once in his NFL career.
-In McCoy's only game in which he broke 300 yards, he had to throw the ball 61 times. He also threw for 1 TD and 1 INT.
-Brandon Weeden, however, broke the 300 yard barrier twice in his first 4 games and was one Greg Little dropped pass away from doing it in his 5th game as well. In his first 300 yard game, Weeden threw for 2 TD's and 0 INT's and it took him 24 less completions to do it.
To wrap that up:
-Drew Brees throws for a fuck ton of yards
- one of our QB's has only once thrown for 300+ yards in three years, and it took 61 passes to do it.
-the other QB has broken 300 yards three times in one year, and it takes him half the passes to do it.
Which one has Brees-like potential?
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You Tunapussy, are completely fucking useless. Unless you can form a complete thought and back it up with something other than rumor or speculation why don't you just shut the fuck up? Get your sour ass into another threat if your bitching snatch doesn't want to hear about Colt McCoy, why are you even here? Get lost you punk.
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You Tunapussy, are completely fucking useless. Unless you can form a complete thought and back it up with something other than rumor or speculation why don't you just shut the fuck up? Get your sour ass into another threat if your bitching snatch doesn't want to hear about Colt McCoy, why are you even here? Get lost you punk.
You Tunapussy, are completely fucking useless. Unless you can form a complete thought and back it up with something other than rumor or speculation why don't you just shut the fuck up? Get your sour ass into another threat if your bitching snatch doesn't want to hear about Colt McCoy, why are you even here? Get lost you punk.
Still waiting on that response.
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2001 NFL Draft
Brees' college success led to projections that he would be a mid-to-late first round draft pick in the 2001 NFL Draft, but he slipped due to concerns about his relatively short stature for a professional quarterback (6'0"), a perceived lack of arm strength, and a sense that he had succeeded in college in a spread offense. Ultimately, Brees was the second quarterback selected in the 2001 draft, chosen by the San Diego Chargers as the first pick of the second round.[15]
San Diego originally had the first pick in that draft, but traded it to Atlanta (which used it to draft Michael Vick) in return for the fifth pick of the first round, with which San Diego drafted LaDainian Tomlinson.[15]
Early career
Brees played in his first professional game on November 4, 2001 against the Kansas City Chiefs. He won the starting job over Doug Flutie during training camp before the start of the 2002 season. Brees started all 16 games for the Chargers during the 2002 season, leading the team to an 8-8 record. After a disappointing start to the 2003 season he was replaced by Flutie. Brees' career with the Chargers was in jeopardy after San Diego acquired NC State's Philip Rivers. After the trade, it was almost certain Brees' days as the Chargers' starting QB were over. However, Rivers held out nearly all of training camp,and Brees remained the starter throughout the 2004 season, where he started 15 games and led the team to a 12-4 regular season record. Brees posted spectacular numbers, completing 65.5% of his passes for 3,159 yards, with 27 touchdowns to only 7 interceptions, giving him a 104.8 passer rating. The Chargers won the AFC West and Brees was selected to the 2004 NFL Pro Bowl. He was named 2004 NFL Comeback Player of the Year.
Ring any bells?
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You see, Brees struggled and he had the benefit of utilizing his first round draft picked runningback. He had questions about "arm strength" and size. Every QB is going to have a down year every once in a while. While Colt only had one legitimate season to prove his worth, unfortunetly it came on the heels of an NFL lockout and the hiring of a new head coach, one with questionable ability I might add, and no offensive coordinator. Pat Shurmur himself said he had too much on his plate to be effective his first year. You can't put it all on Colt's shoulders and expect people not to notice that he was pinned behind the proverbial eightball. Peyton Hillis was a headcase and Colt went into many games probably not even knowing who would be the starting runningback. He wasn't helped by receivers who couldn't hang onto the ball and an offensive line that collapsed from the right side almost instantaneously. How can you be so blind to obvious truths? I may not be Mike Holmgren or a paid NFL Scout, but I'm a paying Cleveland Brown Fan and I know that I would like to see Colt start as opposed to any other QB that is on our team right now, and in the end- that's all that counts.
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You see, Brees struggled and he had the benefit of utilizing his first round draft picked runningback. He had questions about "arm strength" and size. Every QB is going to have a down year every once in a while. While Colt only had one legitimate season to prove his worth, unfortunetly it came on the heels of an NFL lockout and the hiring of a new head coach, one with questionable ability I might add, and no offensive coordinator. Pat Shurmur himself said he had too much on his plate to be effective his first year. You can't put it all on Colt's shoulders and expect people not to notice that he was pinned behind the proverbial eightball. Peyton Hillis was a headcase and Colt went into many games probably not even knowing who would be the starting runningback. He wasn't helped by receivers who couldn't hang onto the ball and an offensive line that collapsed from the right side almost instantaneously. How can you be so blind to obvious truths? I may not be Mike Holmgren or a paid NFL Scout, but I'm a paying Cleveland Brown Fan and I know that I would like to see Colt start as opposed to any other QB that is on our team right now, and in the end- that's all that counts.
You see, Brees struggled and he had the benefit of utilizing his first round draft picked runningback. He had questions about "arm strength" and size. Every QB is going to have a down year every once in a while. While Colt only had one legitimate season to prove his worth, unfortunetly it came on the heels of an NFL lockout and the hiring of a new head coach, one with questionable ability I might add, and no offensive coordinator. Pat Shurmur himself said he had too much on his plate to be effective his first year. You can't put it all on Colt's shoulders and expect people not to notice that he was pinned behind the proverbial eightball. Peyton Hillis was a headcase and Colt went into many games probably not even knowing who would be the starting runningback. He wasn't helped by receivers who couldn't hang onto the ball and an offensive line that collapsed from the right side almost instantaneously. How can you be so blind to obvious truths? I may not be Mike Holmgren or a paid NFL Scout, but I'm a paying Cleveland Brown Fan and I know that I would like to see Colt start as opposed to any other QB that is on our team right now, and in the end- that's all that counts.
Sorry you're not going to get your wish. Congrats, long timers on this board will agree that you've now passed Lumburgh's love for Derek Anderson in your defense of McCoy. At least Anderson had 1\2 of a good season to back him up. Now it's everyone's fault except Colt that he couldn't produce.
Seriously, I've got a mind to lock this thread, but it's too much fun seeing you try to compare Colt to Drew Brees. Colt's ceiling is slightly higher than Charlie Frye's was- and it's not high enough to keep him around at $2+ million to be the third string qb.
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I found this while searching for ingredients for your "crow stew"... These are not my words, but they'll work just the same...
"I keep finding more ways that McCoy played far better than he was given credit for here in Cleveland all the time, like comments from Mangini after the Jetts game in 2010 on a windy bad weather day.
Mangini praised McCoy’s drive to tie the game and send it into overtime, saying he threaded the needle on his passes into some of the tightest coverage he’d ever seen.
And when I was looking at turnovers in 2011, I found that McCoy led the Browns to rank 4th in the NFL in limiting turnovers.
With McCoy we were tied with New Orleans(13-3) and behind New England (13-3), Green Bay (15-1), and San Francisco (13-3).
Losing teams almost never protect the ball well and winning teams always do. The 2011 team didn’t have the talent to be a winning team, but they had the quarterback to do as much as any one player could do to keep them in games.
And in the 4th quarter, if we were obviously behind and needed to take more chances, McCoy threw his rare interceptions, but he also led the league with the 5th highest number of 4th quarter game-winning drives.
I found that"
...yeah, I found that.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
You can clearly see that even though it's made a huge deal about Colt's size in relation to Weeden's size, it's hardly noticeable that Weeden is bigger. I think that the arm strength debate is completely blown out of proportion in reality as well. I've seen Colt throw passes with plenty of zip on them. Every pass is different and each needs a different "touch" to complete. This is where Colt has the distinct advantage where as Colt will try and "fit" a pass in with touch, Weeden just throws each pass as hard as he can, often overthrowing receivers. When a touch pass is needed for Weeden it's often way off the mark and looks awkward... and it's because he's a pitcher whereas Colt is a Quarterback.
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I found this while searching for ingredients for your "crow stew"... These are not my words, but they'll work just the same...
"I keep finding more ways that McCoy played far better than he was given credit for here in Cleveland all the time, like comments from Mangini after the Jetts game in 2010 on a windy bad weather day.
Mangini praised McCoy’s drive to tie the game and send it into overtime, saying he threaded the needle on his passes into some of the tightest coverage he’d ever seen.
And when I was looking at turnovers in 2011, I found that McCoy led the Browns to rank 4th in the NFL in limiting turnovers.
With McCoy we were tied with New Orleans(13-3) and behind New England (13-3), Green Bay (15-1), and San Francisco (13-3).
Losing teams almost never protect the ball well and winning teams always do. The 2011 team didn’t have the talent to be a winning team, but they had the quarterback to do as much as any one player could do to keep them in games.
And in the 4th quarter, if we were obviously behind and needed to take more chances, McCoy threw his rare interceptions, but he also led the league with the 5th highest number of 4th quarter game-winning drives.
I found that"
...yeah, I found that.
I found this while searching for ingredients for your "crow stew"... These are not my words, but they'll work just the same...
"I keep finding more ways that McCoy played far better than he was given credit for here in Cleveland all the time, like comments from Mangini after the Jetts game in 2010 on a windy bad weather day.
Mangini praised McCoy’s drive to tie the game and send it into overtime, saying he threaded the needle on his passes into some of the tightest coverage he’d ever seen.
And when I was looking at turnovers in 2011, I found that McCoy led the Browns to rank 4th in the NFL in limiting turnovers.
With McCoy we were tied with New Orleans(13-3) and behind New England (13-3), Green Bay (15-1), and San Francisco (13-3).
Losing teams almost never protect the ball well and winning teams always do. The 2011 team didn’t have the talent to be a winning team, but they had the quarterback to do as much as any one player could do to keep them in games.
And in the 4th quarter, if we were obviously behind and needed to take more chances, McCoy threw his rare interceptions, but he also led the league with the 5th highest number of 4th quarter game-winning drives.
I found that"
...yeah, I found that.
Its called the internet. You can find whatever shit you want. I'll bet there are even some great YouTube videos of jamarcus Russell. If I post them, he must be good.
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Yeah, yeah, that's is not the point. What do you say about the evidence? BTW- Happy Easter!
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Yeah, yeah, that's is not the point. What do you say about the evidence? BTW- Happy Easter!
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Yeah, yeah, that's is not the point. What do you say about the evidence? BTW- Happy Easter!
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Yeah, yeah, that's is not the point. What do you say about the evidence? BTW- Happy Easter!
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ok slap dick...you have your "opinion" which isn't worth shit.
I've told you numerous times that it's being widely reported by people with more access and knowledge of the NFL and its inner workings than any of us on here combined.
Here's just one example...
Colt McCoy won't be cut by Cleveland Browns, for now
By Gregg Rosenthal
Around The League Editor
Published: March 27, 2013 at 02:36 p.m.
Updated: March 27, 2013 at 09:03 p.m.
The arrival of Brandon Weeden last April was supposed to mean the end for Colt McCoy on the Cleveland Browns. McCoy stuck around.
The arrival of new coach Rob Chudzinski in January surely was going to be it for McCoy. He remained on the roster.
After the signing of veteran quarterback Jason Campbell on Tuesday, McCoy's time with the Browns might be up. A Browns source told NFL.com's Albert Breer and Ian Rapoport on Wednesday that the team has no immediate plans to release McCoy for now, but a trade is possible. The key words there: "For now."
The Browns source responded to a report from The Plain Dealer that said McCoy is expected to be released or traded for a late-round pick shortly. It sounds like the Browns will exhaust all opportunities to get something in return for McCoy before letting him go.
It would be surprising if the Browns found a suitor for McCoy. Capable-enough potential backups like Kevin Kolb are available on the open market. There's little reason to give up a pick for a player who could be a No. 3 quarterback.
Perhaps McCoy will remain on the Browns' roster through the draft, but we'd be very surprised if he was on the team come minicamp season. He's the latest Browns "quarterback of the future" to fail to stick since the franchise re-boot in 1999, following Tim Couch, Kelly Holcomb, Charlie Frye, Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn.
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And slap dick...since you love college stats and highlights so much... How about this gem of a scouting report coming out of college of your boyfriend Colt...
Strengths:
Very athletic
Mobile
Experienced
Short and deep range accuracy
Quick release
Gets rid of football quickly
Makes quick decisions
Good pocket awareness
Crafty with football in hands
Leader with good character
Weaknesses:
Average frame
Offensive system exaggerate strengths, masks weaknesses
Mobility doesn't translate to NFL with zone reads and scripted runs
Weak arm
Aims ball and it doesn't look natural; passive thrower
Absolutely no stick throws (18-yard deep out, curl, dig, etc.)
Footwork needs a ton of work
Doesn't take many hits
Never operated under center
Stares down receivers
Floats deep ball
Limited upside
Summary: Colt McCoy is the next overhyped collegiate quarterback who really doesn't have much of a chance in the NFL. He is a late-round talent, and don't let ESPN fool you. His talent is pretty mediocre when you consider the things he will have to do in the NFL in terms of the transition to a more West Coast or pro-style spread scheme. He won't stretch a defense in the NFL and the system makes him look far better than he is at Texas.
McCoy is a great college quarterback, but simply isn't an NFL mold. He's a projected fifth-to-seventh-round prospect. McCoy might develop into a solid backup quarterback at the next level, but he is simply not the prospect ESPN wants you to think he is.
That sounds exactly what everyone around here has been trying to get through your demented thick skull...
I'm sure this guy though has a bias against Colt as well right???
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If I didn't know any better, I might start thinking poG is Colts daddy
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...And here's Weedens.
Positives:
Good size and ball-handling — very careful with the ball.
Outstanding arm strength — can drill back-shoulder throws and rip it with high rpm.
Has an over-the-top release and quick, compact snap throwing motion.
Knows how to change speeds and gauge his arm from short range.
Mature and grounded.
Strong work habits.
Respected team leader.
Negatives:
Operated heavily out of the shotgun in a spread offense featuring simple, half-field reads that inflated his statistics. Tended to bird-dog and force the ball to Justin Blackmon.
Inconsistent deep-ball placement — throws to spots.
Struggles to handle and escape pressure and has limited mobility to escape.
Can be rattled by the rush.
Does not like to be hit.
Wilts against the blitz.
Relies too much on his arm — footwork is not clean.
Overaged.
Arm durability needs to be evaluated.
Average Senior Bowl showing exposed difficulty adjusting to working under center and cycling through reads — will require time to adjust.
Limited upside.
Summary:
After an extended minor-league baseball career, Weeden embarks upon an NFL career with considerable tread worn off his tires, and the simplified offense in which he played could push his development into his 30s. Displayed the careful ballhandling and short-to-intermediate accuracy desired in a precision passing game, but passing instincts are still raw for a more sophisticated, layered, pro-style, rhythm passing game. Has the arm talent to function in a vertical offense with a strong protection scheme and supporting cast but is most ideally suited for a backup role.
What are you getting at? These both say that they are backup players. I guess we just start Jason Campbell then right? No thanks. You can insult and slap your dick until you're blue in the face, do you think I care? I'm not intimidated and won't be told who I should root for. In my opinion you need to chill out and find yourself another thread to enjoy since it's obvious you have some sick fetish with disrespecting Colt McCoy. This is going to be a fair QB competition and Colt is going to bring the heat. There are tens of thousands of Browns Fans that think Colt should start over Weeden, so don't act like I'm the only one. I'm just being the voice of reason here, and as bad as it pisses you off- you're going to have to grow up and get over it. Shake the hand of your opponent and lets move on. Colt's a winner and he's going to prove it this year.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain-
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