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  • Here's a nice story about what can happen - and often does - when you require mandatory sentences.

    Got to love that drug war.

  • Moral of the story...don't sell your scripts to friends. If he'd just given them to his buddy they couldn't have got him for trafficking. He took the money, therefore he is, in fact, a drug dealer.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...

  • And you think he deserves 25 years mandatory for that?

    I think he deserves a fine and probation.

  • H heckofajobbrownie

    And you think he deserves 25 years mandatory for that?

    I think he deserves a fine and probation.

    @heckofajobbrownie said:

    And you think he deserves 25 years mandatory for that?

    I think he deserves a fine and probation.

    No he doesn't deserve 25 years mandatory, but he also didn't give them to his friend out of altruism or he'd have only charged the guy the cost of the scripts. Dude's a drug dealer hoping some fluff piece painting him as a do gooder just "helping his friend" will get him out of the hole he's dug himself into.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...

  • What do you think he deserves?

  • H heckofajobbrownie

    What do you think he deserves?

    @heckofajobbrownie said:

    What do you think he deserves?

    What does your standard heroin dealer get? 2-5 years with time off for good behaviour? Whatever you'd give that guy, this guy deserves.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
  • T The Cysko Kid

    @heckofajobbrownie said:

    What do you think he deserves?

    What does your standard heroin dealer get? 2-5 years with time off for good behaviour? Whatever you'd give that guy, this guy deserves.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    What does your standard heroin dealer get?

    Define "standard".

  • Erie DawgE Erie Dawg

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    What does your standard heroin dealer get?

    Define "standard".

    @erie-dawg said:

    Define "standard".

    What does a street corner, low level heroin dealer get when caught? Not an importer, not a trafficker, not a smuggler. Just the guy who stands on the corner peddling smack.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
    Erie DawgE 1 Reply

  • My moral of the story is that mandatory drug sentences are insane.

    Erie DawgE T 2 Replies
  • T The Cysko Kid

    @erie-dawg said:

    Define "standard".

    What does a street corner, low level heroin dealer get when caught? Not an importer, not a trafficker, not a smuggler. Just the guy who stands on the corner peddling smack.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    What does a street corner, low level heroin dealer get when caught? Not an importer, not a trafficker, not a smuggler. Just the guy who stands on the corner peddling smack.

    standard seemed like a pretty loose term, but anyway trafficking (the term) would still be used on the low level street corner guy, all the way up to the top. say if you bought a quarter pound of weed for personal use. even though not a huge qty.it could be said to be for resale.

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  • H heckofajobbrownie

    My moral of the story is that mandatory drug sentences are insane.

    @heckofajobbrownie said:

    My moral of the story is that mandatory drug sentences are insane.

    I agree.

  • H heckofajobbrownie

    My moral of the story is that mandatory drug sentences are insane.

    @heckofajobbrownie said:

    My moral of the story is that mandatory drug sentences are insane.

    so a street corner heroin dealer deserves a fine and probation? This guy is guilty of the same thing. So the rules shouldn't be different because he peddled oxycontin instead of Heroin. 25 years mandatory is crazy, but he doesn't get off with a fine and probation because he had a prescription for it. Sorry that's not how the world works. Drug dealing is drug dealing is drug dealing. Like I said, he sure didn't do it for sympathy. He did it for money and he's in a hole he dug himself into. I have no sympathy for him.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
    H 1 Reply
  • Erie DawgE Erie Dawg

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    What does a street corner, low level heroin dealer get when caught? Not an importer, not a trafficker, not a smuggler. Just the guy who stands on the corner peddling smack.

    standard seemed like a pretty loose term, but anyway trafficking (the term) would still be used on the low level street corner guy, all the way up to the top. say if you bought a quarter pound of weed for personal use. even though not a huge qty.it could be said to be for resale.

    @erie-dawg said:

    standard seemed like a pretty loose term, but anyway trafficking (the term) would still be used on the low level street corner guy, all the way up to the top. say if you bought a quarter pound of weed for personal use. even though not a huge qty.it could be said to be for resale.

    sorry, man. My drug dealer lingo isn't quite up to snuff. I guess it's because I don't deal drugs, but I'd always assumed a trafficker would be a large scale drug dealer. Like the guy who deals to the dealers. It makes sense, what you say though.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
  • T The Cysko Kid

    @heckofajobbrownie said:

    My moral of the story is that mandatory drug sentences are insane.

    so a street corner heroin dealer deserves a fine and probation? This guy is guilty of the same thing. So the rules shouldn't be different because he peddled oxycontin instead of Heroin. 25 years mandatory is crazy, but he doesn't get off with a fine and probation because he had a prescription for it. Sorry that's not how the world works. Drug dealing is drug dealing is drug dealing. Like I said, he sure didn't do it for sympathy. He did it for money and he's in a hole he dug himself into. I have no sympathy for him.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    so a street corner heroin dealer deserves a fine and probation? This guy is guilty of the same thing. So the rules shouldn't be different because he peddled oxycontin instead of Heroin. 25 years mandatory is crazy, but he doesn't get off with a fine and probation because he had a prescription for it. Sorry that's not how the world works. Drug dealing is drug dealing is drug dealing. Like I said, he sure didn't do it for sympathy. He did it for money and he's in a hole he dug himself into. I have no sympathy for him.

    I do. Even under the worst reading of what he's done he's still not done anything terribly serious, and certainly nothing worth ruining his life for. But that's what we do in the name of "getting tough on drugs." We ruin lots of lives.

    And yes, I think a street corner heroin dealer deserves a stiff fine and no jail time for a first offense. If there's no violence involved, and you're not caught selling to minors, it should not land you in jail. You should be fined and put on probation.

    T DieHardBrownsFanD 2 Replies
  • H heckofajobbrownie

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    so a street corner heroin dealer deserves a fine and probation? This guy is guilty of the same thing. So the rules shouldn't be different because he peddled oxycontin instead of Heroin. 25 years mandatory is crazy, but he doesn't get off with a fine and probation because he had a prescription for it. Sorry that's not how the world works. Drug dealing is drug dealing is drug dealing. Like I said, he sure didn't do it for sympathy. He did it for money and he's in a hole he dug himself into. I have no sympathy for him.

    I do. Even under the worst reading of what he's done he's still not done anything terribly serious, and certainly nothing worth ruining his life for. But that's what we do in the name of "getting tough on drugs." We ruin lots of lives.

    And yes, I think a street corner heroin dealer deserves a stiff fine and no jail time for a first offense. If there's no violence involved, and you're not caught selling to minors, it should not land you in jail. You should be fined and put on probation.

    @heckofajobbrownie said:

    I do. Even under the worst reading of what he's done he's still not done anything terribly serious, and certainly nothing worth ruining his life for. But that's what we do in the name of "getting tough on drugs." We ruin lots of lives.

    And yes, I think a street corner heroin dealer deserves a stiff fine and no jail time for a first offense. If there's no violence involved, and you're not caught selling to minors, it should not land you in jail. You should be fined and put on probation.

    I don't know man. I respect your opinion but we're not talking about Pot here. Heroin and Opiates are powerful medicines and we as a society have an interest in keeping them off the streets. They belong with terminal cancer patients and soldiers dying on the battle field, not just to any joe schmoe that tweaks his back. Frankly they're not even that good of a pain reliever and I'd argue that your standard ibuprofen 800 is actually more effective at killing pain that opiates. Opiates make it so you don't care that you're dying.

    There's only one guy that posts here that I know of that has an honest to god right to prescribe drugs to patients, so I'd be interested to know what Legacy Fan thinks of it.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...

  • Oh, I'm not arguing that it's good for people to be using it recreationally, or isn't harmful. Hell, every time I've been prescribed it I don't even get the script filled.

    I'm just noting that there have been some discussions about mandatory sentencing in here, and how it's necessary to keep judges from being too lenient. But no judge in America would sentence this guy to 25 years in jail for what he did. He wouldn't even get five years. It shows you how fucked up this system is.

    As for heroin dealers, I'm not for putting non-violent drug offenders in jail. You can make it pay in other ways.

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  • Going after small fry drug dealers is such a waste of money. If no one's getting shot over a turf war, then who's the victim? I have zero pity for anyone who OD's on a serious drug, but that's completely on them, not the dealer.

  • Drug addiction can be extremely sad, tragic, or in others cases, entirely predictable and full of bad choices and not pitiable at all.

    Depends on the situation. But I'm surprised to hear you say that you'd have no sympathy for someone who ODed on a serious drug, Vapor.

    Man, you guys are some heartless motherfuckers in here...

    VaporTrailV 1 Reply
  • H heckofajobbrownie

    Oh, I'm not arguing that it's good for people to be using it recreationally, or isn't harmful. Hell, every time I've been prescribed it I don't even get the script filled.

    I'm just noting that there have been some discussions about mandatory sentencing in here, and how it's necessary to keep judges from being too lenient. But no judge in America would sentence this guy to 25 years in jail for what he did. He wouldn't even get five years. It shows you how fucked up this system is.

    As for heroin dealers, I'm not for putting non-violent drug offenders in jail. You can make it pay in other ways.

    @heckofajobbrownie said:

    I'm just noting that there have been some discussions about mandatory sentencing in here, and how it's necessary to keep judges from being too lenient. But no judge in America would sentence this guy to 25 years in jail for what he did. He wouldn't even get five years. It shows you how fucked up this system is.

    Imagine if the judicial system had a mandatory sentence for lets say drugs since its on topic. We would have to build new jails in nearly every county in the US...Or would we? Would those kind of sentences be enough to clean up crime?

  • H heckofajobbrownie

    Drug addiction can be extremely sad, tragic, or in others cases, entirely predictable and full of bad choices and not pitiable at all.

    Depends on the situation. But I'm surprised to hear you say that you'd have no sympathy for someone who ODed on a serious drug, Vapor.

    Man, you guys are some heartless motherfuckers in here...

    @heckofajobbrownie said:

    Drug addiction can be extremely sad, tragic, or in others cases, entirely predictable and full of bad choices and not pitiable at all.

    Depends on the situation. But I'm surprised to hear you say that you'd have no sympathy for someone who ODed on a serious drug, Vapor.

    Man, you guys are some heartless motherfuckers in here...

    It happened to one of my former best friend's brothers ~3 months ago. That friend of mine just got out of rehab. I am extremely sympathetic to the family, but christ, get a grip on things before you do enough drugs to end your life. It just seems selfish. It's not like you were depressed and didn't want to continue living, you just overestimated what you could handle and now you're gone. If you're going to do drugs, don't be nonchalant about it.

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