Newest Mock Has Us Taking Dee Milliner, I Love It

drocksthaparty

I am really happy with this pick, I want Milliner if he is there at 6. He is a stud corner

http://nfldraftzone.com/draft-news/damond-talbots-first-2013-mock-draft-1-0/

miktoxic

it would be nice.

got a feeling if someone offeres a second rounder to us we'll be trading down.

VaporTrail

trading down and getting rhodes or trufant and then someone in the 2nd would be just fine by me.

CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS

I just don't think you can beat 2 SEC studs. Shit, how about Mathieu in the 3rd? That would be some serious talent.

We wouldn't even need a free safety..

CLEVELandMILIDH

Trade down and get Rhodes or Vaccaro, Milliner is no where near a top ten talent

Tim Couch Pulls Out

@clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

I just don't think you can beat 2 SEC studs. Shit, how about Mathieu in the 3rd? That would be some serious talent.

We wouldn't even need a free safety..

Matthieu will never be a legitimate starter anywhere in the NFL.

hoorta

@miktoxic said:

it would be nice.

got a feeling if someone offeres a second rounder to us we'll be trading down.

I'm with you there- a bunch of mocks have us doing exactly that. Put me solidly in Camp Trade-Down.

Rooster Dick

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Matthieu will never be a legitimate starter anywhere in the NFL.

Who are you to say anything about a player's potential? You're some bum who sits at home from the couch.

Tim Couch Pulls Out

@rooster-dick said:

Who are you to say anything about a player's potential? You're some bum who sits at home from the couch.

I'm some bum who sits at home on the couch and is right about Mathieu never being anything other than, at the very best, a slot CB.

By all means, continue to blow the kid because ESPN gave him a nickname.

Unsympathetic

I hope we stay at 6.

Rhodes and Trufant are simply not on the same level as Milliner. We've had too many years of suck at the CB2 position.. and the shutdown corners would help the front 7 transition from 4-3 to 3-4.

miktoxic

i still think mathieu is going to prove a lot of people wrong and will be a legit player in the nfl.....if he stays out of trouble.

but by the 3rd round we will have already addressed the CB spot (hopefully) and we'll be looking for OL or FS.

CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

I'm some bum who sits at home on the couch and is right about Mathieu never being anything other than, at the very best, a slot CB.

By all means, continue to blow the kid because ESPN gave him a nickname.

Yeah, who was our slot corner? Mathieu is a PLAYMAKER. Stats and on field tape don't lie. Not many are projecting Mathieu to be playing on the outside in the first place

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@clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

Yeah, who was our slot corner? Mathieu is a PLAYMAKER. Stats and on field tape don't lie. Not many are projecting Mathieu to be playing on the outside in the first place

What stats? His two interceptions in 2011? The two he had before that?

The guy played across from one of the best college football CB's in the last 10 or so years and still barely was able to snag any passes.

His "playmaking ability" is really just his ability to make tackles, which was greatly aided by the fact that Chavis could press-man Mo Claiborne on one side of the field and combo the other half of the field. Mathieu was put in positions to succeed by his coaches, his eyes rarely had to leave the backfield and when he was asked to cover man-on-man he would often line up 5 yards off his receiver. Chavis had Mathieu at safety and CB, but in most respects he was the closest thing to a "Rover" ("Wolfman", "Monster", et al.) that we've seen in CFB in like 10-15 years.

If a team were to do the same thing with him in the NFL, he could find success. But, outside of Mangini's UFO defense( which worked out so well), there hasn't been too many instances of defensive formation innovation in the NFL in the last 15 years.

Add to that he's way undersized, not entirely speedy, has already drawn criticism of his work ethic and has a rap sheet to rival Charlie Sheen's, I just couldn't justify spending a third or fourth round pick on him.

Maybe in the sixth, if he were to fall.

Unsympathetic

Also: The two safeties behind Mathieu and Claiborne that year he started were Brandon Taylor, 4th out of all safeties in the 2012 class and Eric Reid, 4th out of all safeties this year.

The only plays Mathieu made were when he took a wild guess where the QB would throw -- not at all how you're taught, because if it's a pump-fake, you give up a TD. He simply gambled because his other DB's were first-team AllSEC and would cover his mistakes up.

And, he won't be able to replicate what little success he did have even if he was drafted by the Browns.. because when LSU plays Valdosta State, LSU DB's are supposed to get INT's, but there's no similarly bad QB in the NFL to inflate his stats.

He's small, he's not fast, he's not quick. He is not good. Add in his failure of more than 10 drug tests at LSU, and I would not draft him at all.

tampadawgs

@miktoxic said:

i still think mathieu is going to prove a lot of people wrong and will be a legit player in the nfl.....if he stays out of trouble.

but by the 3rd round we will have already addressed the CB spot (hopefully) and we'll be looking for OL or FS.

I agree 100% Mathieu will be very good in the NFL

BendMeOver

I don't know, I hear alot of buzz about Cleveland trading down. Rumour is that the Chargers (#11 overall) really want Lane Johnson and will likely trade with Cleveland for him. If you trade down, Rhodes will most likely be your pick.

Since the Steelers retained Sanders for another year, they probably aren't looking to trade up for Austin/Patterson and will probably pick defensively, Jarvis Jones being a heavily rumoured favorite. However I can still see Pittsburgh trading up a few slots for a DB.

The Gipper

Endymion said:

I don't know, I hear alot of buzz about Cleveland trading down. Rumour is that the Chargers (#11 overall) really want Lane Johnson and will likely trade with Cleveland for him. If you trade down, Rhodes will most likely be your pick.

Since the Steelers retained Sanders for another year, they probably aren't looking to trade up for Austin/Patterson and will probably pick defensively, Jarvis Jones being a heavily rumoured favorite. However I can still see Pittsburgh trading up a few slots for a DB.

So? They matched the Patriots offer?

BendMeOver

@the-gipper said:

So? They matched the Patriots offer?

Unfortunately, yes, the Steelers matched the Patriots offer. A second third round pick could've given them some much needed leverage to move up in the draft or fill some glaring holes (WR, S, CB, OLB, ILB, RB). Sanders is an okay reciever and the Steelers recieving corps is better with him (well on paper prior to the draft), just not that much better. Sanders will most likely leave the Steelers after this year and keeping him probably cost them a painless way to move up and get Patterson/Austin (either of which look to be improvements over Sanders).

Unsympathetic

Endymion said:
I don't know, I hear alot of buzz about Cleveland trading down.

And none of it is from the Browns. You were correct with the first 3 words.

When you trade out of the top 10, you aren't drafting an impact starter.. and the Browns need impact starters. We're no longer trying to plug a leaky sieve of a bad roster.. rather, we're looking to get over the hump and draft impact players who can be around for a while.

We've actually got NFL talent but not enough impact/All-Pro players. We can get an NFL-caliber starting OG or SS with the 3rd round pick, we don't "need" a second round pick. This year's second round pick is named Josh Gordon, and he's going to be an All-Pro. Josh Gordon is better than every receiver on most teams' roster.. he is our first legit WR1 since The Year Of Braylon.

Trading down is a flat-out stupid idea because our only "need" is for an All-Pro. Browns take Milliner.

gftChris

@unsympathetic said:

And none of it is from the Browns. You were correct with the first 3 words.

When you trade out of the top 10, you aren't drafting an impact starter.. and the Browns need impact starters. We're no longer trying to plug a leaky sieve of a bad roster.. rather, we're looking to get over the hump and draft impact players who can be around for a while.

We've actually got NFL talent but not enough impact/All-Pro players. We can get an NFL-caliber starting OG or SS with the 3rd round pick, we don't "need" a second round pick. This year's second round pick is named Josh Gordon, and he's going to be an All-Pro. Josh Gordon is better than every receiver on most teams' roster.. he is our first legit WR1 since The Year Of Braylon.

Trading down is a flat-out stupid idea because our only "need" is for an All-Pro. Browns take Milliner.

I'm inclined to agree with you here. I think if we can pick up, say, Milliner in the first and then Rambo in the third, our defence is pretty much set. Maybe another ILB needed, and if Sheard doesn't pan out at OLB we need to look in to that, but I don't think those are priorities. That leaves us needing basically a guard and a tight end - we can manage with what we currently have for this season.

Having said that, I think if SD want to trade their 11th pick with us I'd probably go for it. The first round isn't eactly stacked with talent, and the most coveted position is either DE/OLB or LT from teams drafting - there's plenty of scope for us to trade down and still pick up a quality number 2 CB, then still get Rambo in the third and address another need with the second round pick - maybe we hit on a pass catching TE, or we look at an ILB or WR.