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My Theory Of The Browns' 2013 Draft... The Fo Agrees With Us

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  • I was at a high school softball tourney all day and just got home. I thought I would be doing all sorts of research on all of the new players, but that isn't the case. Can someone detail what we got in return for all of our trades?

  • we traded with the steelers our 4th for next years 3rd of theirs, and then traded I forget who's maybe Ind';s 5th into next years 4th

  • Sounds good, thanks for the info!

  • This draft, IMHO, was nicely orchestrated. Next draft we will better know what our player & position needs are after a full season of actual game experience with new offensive & defensive systems. Those 2 extra picks in the 3rd & 4th rounds should net us viable players.

    We are finally seeing a designed plan being thought out & executed. I love it!

    Mike

    IN DORSEY I TRUST

  • I can agree... we had the youngest team in the NFL last year, and those guys deserve time to develop. We already have a nice core of talent with 2 bookend tackles, a stud RB, 2 good WRs going into their 2nd and 3rd years, a young TE who could be quality, great D-line and now solid pass-rushers, a stud CB and SS... we added a #2 CB hopefully and brought in a high risk/reward FS.... I don't think the sky is falling like some people on here. I think we have a good team. Weeden is the biggest ?? but we weren't going to replace him in this draft anyway. Smart, really. Our 4th and 5th rounders weren't going to make or break this season...

    #Justsayin'
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  • thenew23T thenew23

    I can agree... we had the youngest team in the NFL last year, and those guys deserve time to develop. We already have a nice core of talent with 2 bookend tackles, a stud RB, 2 good WRs going into their 2nd and 3rd years, a young TE who could be quality, great D-line and now solid pass-rushers, a stud CB and SS... we added a #2 CB hopefully and brought in a high risk/reward FS.... I don't think the sky is falling like some people on here. I think we have a good team. Weeden is the biggest ?? but we weren't going to replace him in this draft anyway. Smart, really. Our 4th and 5th rounders weren't going to make or break this season...

    @thenew23 said:

    I can agree... we had the youngest team in the NFL last year, and those guys deserve time to develop. We already have a nice core of talent with 2 bookend tackles, a stud RB, 2 good WRs going into their 2nd and 3rd years, a young TE who could be quality, great D-line and now solid pass-rushers, a stud CB and SS... we added a #2 CB hopefully and brought in a high risk/reward FS.... I don't think the sky is falling like some people on here. I think we have a good team. Weeden is the biggest ?? but we weren't going to replace him in this draft anyway. Smart, really. Our 4th and 5th rounders weren't going to make or break this season...

    so your're saying all we did was bring in a 2nd tier CB, a 'maybe' 3rd receiver via trade (in your words and an iffy safety.

    yeah i give this draft an A+!!

    not.

    hoortaH thenew23T The GipperT 3 Replies
  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    @thenew23 said:

    I can agree... we had the youngest team in the NFL last year, and those guys deserve time to develop. We already have a nice core of talent with 2 bookend tackles, a stud RB, 2 good WRs going into their 2nd and 3rd years, a young TE who could be quality, great D-line and now solid pass-rushers, a stud CB and SS... we added a #2 CB hopefully and brought in a high risk/reward FS.... I don't think the sky is falling like some people on here. I think we have a good team. Weeden is the biggest ?? but we weren't going to replace him in this draft anyway. Smart, really. Our 4th and 5th rounders weren't going to make or break this season...

    so your're saying all we did was bring in a 2nd tier CB, a 'maybe' 3rd receiver via trade (in your words and an iffy safety.

    yeah i give this draft an A+!!

    not.

    @miktoxic said:

    so your're saying all we did was bring in a 2nd tier CB, a 'maybe' 3rd receiver via trade (in your words and an iffy safety.

    yeah i give this draft an A+!!

    not.

    Well Mik, let's look at it another way. The Brown's FO decided (correctly IMHO) regardless what they did THIS YEAR not enough pieces to the puzzle to make a legit SB run.

    So sure, why not stockpile picks for next year? Unless you think we could pull another Tom Brady & Marquis Colston out of the rabbit hat in the last couple rounds this year.

  • We signed the other Kruger from Utah as UDFA.. I expect him to make the roster as the last DL.

    We hit all our needs with this draft, and set up next year's draft to be even better.

    *Mingo is the guy the SEC O-lines doubled -- not Montgomery.

    *The DE in the seventh has the talent to start.. but he was caught once selling drugs during practice, so he's a big character risk.

    *Slaughter had low-first/hi-second round talent, but had a season-ending injury.

    The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown

  • Next season hinges on the play of Weeden and the FO maybe had this in mind when trading for 2014 picks.

    They managed to pick up another pass rusher and while i wasnt impressed with pick at first, I'm coming around to it. Add to that, the lack of numbers in the S, CB and OL has been addressed and it could have been a lot worse given the level of confidence in Lombardi before the draft.

    It might not be a popular decision but they look to be using next season as a starting point to fully assess what they have before really making a push in 2014 and to be fair with a whole new coaching staff, overhaul of the defence and unproven QB it's probably not a bad way to go. It doesn't necessarily mean next year has to be a waste, they just aren't betting all their chips on it.

  • this team can buy there dope 'in house' now.....

    guns don't kill kids-pitt bulls do.

  • I'm happy with the draft and all the FA moves. But I do tire of the building for next year attitude. Its every season for us, building for next year. I just hope this years team can at least make a decent run at the playoffs.

    I'm tired of being pissed off every Sunday!

    👍

  • There's no reason why they can't do well this season. If you look back to before last season's draft the team is far better on both sides of the ball and has coaches who seem to have a game plan.

    The only problem is with Weeden still to prove he's a worthy first round pick it would be risky to throw everything at this season like Miami has, if you need something to pick up a top rated QB next year.

  • The Browns had a fine draft. It was just a below average year for first round talent in some areas.

    The following gives some perspective on the draft: (they don't take into consideration Gordon with the Browns'

    second pick. I figure Gordon would have gone very high in the first round this year. That makes the Browns' second round

    pick a huge steal. But getting an extra third and fourth next year, in a draft that is sure a better quality draft.... is very, very smart.

    ***********************************************************

    AFC NORTH
    Baltimore Ravens
    Matt Elam, S, Florida
    Arthur Brown, MLB, Kansas State
    Brandon Williams, DT, Missouri Southern
    Ozzie Newsome beats everyone again. The Elam pick in the first round was solid. The trade up to get Brown in the second round was spectacular. He's more Dannell Ellerbe than Ray Lewis, but he may be even better than the new Dolphin. Williams is a little strange. Most predict him to shift to offense.
    Grade: B+
    ****************************************************
    Cincinnati Bengals
    Tyler Eifert, TE, Notre Dame
    Giovani Bernard, RB, North Carolina
    Margus Hunt, DE, SMU
    Shawn Williams, S, Georgia
    The choice of Eifert remains a good one because of how he can change the offense and be a dependable target for Andy Dalton. At one point Bernard was considered the top running back in the draft, so he's a fine pickup as well. With Hunt, he may only be a factor on special teams early in his career, and the same goes for Williams.
    Grade: B
    ************************************************
    Cleveland Browns
    Barkevious Mingo, OLB, LSU
    Leon McFadden, CB, San Diego State
    Mingo was a good high-upside choice in the first round, a good gamble for a team unlikely to make the playoffs this season. The Browns absolutely needed to take a cornerback in the third round. Whether or not McFadden can beat out Buster Skrine, though, is a little shaky. McFadden has a lot of experience, though, so he shouldn't need a lot of fine tuning before breaking into the lineup.
    Grade: B
    ******************************************************************
    Pittsburgh Steelers
    Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia
    Le'Veon Bell, RB, Michigan State
    Markus Wheaton, WR, Oregon State
    Jarvis Jones remains one of the steals of the entire draft. Bell likely got the nod for Pittsburgh because he's a better blocker than most running backs. His playing style fits how the Steelers run the ball. The same can be said for Wheaton in the pass game. He should be one of the top rookie wide receivers this season because he can stretch the field vertically.
    Grade: A+
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  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    @thenew23 said:

    I can agree... we had the youngest team in the NFL last year, and those guys deserve time to develop. We already have a nice core of talent with 2 bookend tackles, a stud RB, 2 good WRs going into their 2nd and 3rd years, a young TE who could be quality, great D-line and now solid pass-rushers, a stud CB and SS... we added a #2 CB hopefully and brought in a high risk/reward FS.... I don't think the sky is falling like some people on here. I think we have a good team. Weeden is the biggest ?? but we weren't going to replace him in this draft anyway. Smart, really. Our 4th and 5th rounders weren't going to make or break this season...

    so your're saying all we did was bring in a 2nd tier CB, a 'maybe' 3rd receiver via trade (in your words and an iffy safety.

    yeah i give this draft an A+!!

    not.

    @miktoxic said:

    so your're saying all we did was bring in a 2nd tier CB, a 'maybe' 3rd receiver via trade (in your words and an iffy safety.

    yeah i give this draft an A+!!

    not.

    I never said this was an A+ draft.

    I said the sky wasn't falling like you seem to think

    Pretty good offseason so far, overall...

    #Justsayin'
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Simply put, just as many of us concluded through the 2012 season:

    - the Offense was not as bad as we feared;

    - the Defense was not as good as we hoped; and

    - the talent on both sides of the ball was there, but the coaching staff was a major... ahem... "hindrance".

    I think the FO (and the new staff) agree with us...

    Offensively Wheezy remains the big question mark, but he showed enough progress to warrant at least one more season. Otherwise the questions were third WR (maybe Bess fills the bill?) and OL depth (hello 7th round OL Gilkey... maybe).

    Defensively the secondary was our major source of frustration (howdy Messrs McFadden and Slaughter). Additionally DE/LB questions arose with the impending change back to the 3-4 (wazzup Messrs Kruger, Mingo and Bryant).

    Otherwise it looks to me like the new regime thinks they can coach the 2012 roster up, and into, the new schemes, but until they try they just will not know what it is they really have. So rather than make uncertain moves in a marginal draft, they made minimal moves and stockpiled 2014 picks.

    So 2013 may, once again, be a bumpy disappointment. If it is, then we are set for a critical 2014 draft, but if it is not, then we are set for a 2014 draft that just may move our Browns back to the relevance we all so desperately want.

    @tour2ma said:

    Simply put, just as many of us concluded through the 2012 season:

    - the Offense was not as bad as we feared;

    - the Defense was not as good as we hoped; and

    - the talent on both sides of the ball was there, but the coaching staff was a major... ahem... "hindrance".

    I think the FO (and the new staff) agree with us...

    Offensively Wheezy remains the big question mark, but he showed enough progress to warrant at least one more season. Otherwise the questions were third WR (maybe Bess fills the bill?) and OL depth (hello 7th round OL Gilkey... maybe).

    Defensively the secondary was our major source of frustration (howdy Messrs McFadden and Slaughter). Additionally DE/LB questions arose with the impending change back to the 3-4 (wazzup Messrs Kruger, Mingo and Bryant).

    Otherwise it looks to me like the new regime thinks they can coach the 2012 roster up, and into, the new schemes, but until they try they just will not know what it is they really have. So rather than make uncertain moves in a marginal draft, they made minimal moves and stockpiled 2014 picks.

    So 2013 may, once again, be a bumpy disappointment. If it is, then we are set for a critical 2014 draft, but if it is not, then we are set for a 2014 draft that just may move our Browns back to the relevance we all so desperately want.

    Frankly, I'm stunned at all the positive comments here about the draft.

    I've read and heard a lot of lukewarm assessment about Leon McFadden, who is not all that fast and is more of a slot receiver cover guy, vs. the outside cover guy he'll be for the Browns. If the guy is so good, why wasn't he on the radar of the experts? CBs like Poser and Webb, who were even available in round 4, are considered better than McFadden.

    At least McFadden isn't hurt. I can't imagine the 6th round safety Slaughter being able to go on all cylinders in camp or at the start of the season, even though he says he'll be fine. If you read some of the draft expert analysis and grading of the Browns, several had negative things to offer about Slaughter, who a lot of people said wouldn't even be drafted. Even Slaughter himself was surprised he was drafted!

    And what happens if McFadden gets hurt? Owens and Barnes to cover the opponent's #2 receiver?! Are you kidding me? If Gipson gets hurt and Slaughter can't play, then we put in Hagge?!

    Browns should have used those 4th and 5th round picks to add another DB like Webb or Poser and add a quality safety like Rambo. It's bizarre to me that the Browns have an overabundance of quality depth in the front seven yet have almost nothing of quality in the secondary. I'm sorry. This is akin to building up your military force with far more tanks than you need but allocating almost no resources to providing air cover for your force. When battle comes, the opponents' QB and receivers will be the air force that goes over top of the Cleveland Browns tanks and dominates the air, beats the heck of your army and bases, and wins going away. It's insane to go in to a season with such a thin secondary! Same thing happened last year and we saw the result. Disaster.

    The other thing that bothers me is the "wait till next year" attitude AGAIN. I thought we had enough of that with "take the money and run" Holmgrem. The fans want the team to do all it can to win NOW, not in 2014. Those draft picks should have been used NOW. It's a slam, too, against all the loyal season ticket holders who expend thousands of dollars each year and now know that the product they see on the field in 2013 won't be good enough again due to a weak secondary.

    You didn't see all the other teams collecting draft picks for 2014, did you? They all knew that this current crop of collegians is a deep group of quality athletes, and they went after it. Pittsburgh and Cincy had far better drafts than the Browns and the Ravens have replaced all they lost from a world championship season.

    I still don't understand why they didn't aggressively go out and try and get CB and S at the start of free agency. That was a huge strategic mistake. If they had filled that need, they could have drafted a guy like Tavon Austin who would have accelerated the offense to a new level. But , you know, we never get big thinking from Browns executives. They always think small. And we see the result. Yes, it is a factory of sadness ... and ineptitude.

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Simply put, just as many of us concluded through the 2012 season:

    - the Offense was not as bad as we feared;

    - the Defense was not as good as we hoped; and

    - the talent on both sides of the ball was there, but the coaching staff was a major... ahem... "hindrance".

    I think the FO (and the new staff) agree with us...

    Offensively Wheezy remains the big question mark, but he showed enough progress to warrant at least one more season. Otherwise the questions were third WR (maybe Bess fills the bill?) and OL depth (hello 7th round OL Gilkey... maybe).

    Defensively the secondary was our major source of frustration (howdy Messrs McFadden and Slaughter). Additionally DE/LB questions arose with the impending change back to the 3-4 (wazzup Messrs Kruger, Mingo and Bryant).

    Otherwise it looks to me like the new regime thinks they can coach the 2012 roster up, and into, the new schemes, but until they try they just will not know what it is they really have. So rather than make uncertain moves in a marginal draft, they made minimal moves and stockpiled 2014 picks.

    So 2013 may, once again, be a bumpy disappointment. If it is, then we are set for a critical 2014 draft, but if it is not, then we are set for a 2014 draft that just may move our Browns back to the relevance we all so desperately want.

    @tour2ma said:

    Simply put, just as many of us concluded through the 2012 season:

    - the Offense was not as bad as we feared;

    - the Defense was not as good as we hoped; and

    - the talent on both sides of the ball was there, but the coaching staff was a major... ahem... "hindrance".

    I think the FO (and the new staff) agree with us...

    Offensively Wheezy remains the big question mark, but he showed enough progress to warrant at least one more season. Otherwise the questions were third WR (maybe Bess fills the bill?) and OL depth (hello 7th round OL Gilkey... maybe).

    Defensively the secondary was our major source of frustration (howdy Messrs McFadden and Slaughter). Additionally DE/LB questions arose with the impending change back to the 3-4 (wazzup Messrs Kruger, Mingo and Bryant).

    Otherwise it looks to me like the new regime thinks they can coach the 2012 roster up, and into, the new schemes, but until they try they just will not know what it is they really have. So rather than make uncertain moves in a marginal draft, they made minimal moves and stockpiled 2014 picks.

    So 2013 may, once again, be a bumpy disappointment. If it is, then we are set for a critical 2014 draft, but if it is not, then we are set for a 2014 draft that just may move our Browns back to the relevance we all so desperately want.

    I agree with the positive takes on the draft.

    Obviously I did not have Mingo graded high myself ... but what do I know? I like the fact they got the man they had targeted, and if they didn't get him they were prepared to trade down. That is War Room success.

    I also agree that the front office likes the talent level on this roster or they wouldn't be deferring picks to next year. They want to see what they have, who they want to re-sign, and they are loaded for next year's draft. If they hated our roster then would have been grabbing every body they could.

    I also like that they went "need" in the third round and got a corner that can compete for a starting position on this team right away. I liked the late round picks and I love what I am reading about the F/A signings.

    This front office has been on the ball since Day 1. The Kruger signing was crucial, as was targeting their guy for the open DE slot, bringing in depth like Groves, decent tight ends and secondary guys who can compete, and then trading virtually nothing to get one of the best possession receivers in the AFC and signing him to a nice deal.

    Obviously these guys love what Weeden should be able to do in this offense, and they acquired Campbell so that the position wasn't a "need" in this QB defiicent draft.

    I am stoked about this upcoming season, I already have tickets to two games, I love the Chud/Turner way of playing offense and I am excited about all these new defensive pieces in Horton's scheme.

    Oh ... and how bout a healthy T-Rich blowing holes up?

    Zombo

  • I'm glad Chud and Norv will have the opportunity to truly evaluate Weeden. If he sinks, the FO has acquired more firepower in next years draft to move up and get their guy. This team will be better than last years on merit of coaching change alone, can't wait to see how the brownies do.

  • A Assmunch

    @tour2ma said:

    Simply put, just as many of us concluded through the 2012 season:

    - the Offense was not as bad as we feared;

    - the Defense was not as good as we hoped; and

    - the talent on both sides of the ball was there, but the coaching staff was a major... ahem... "hindrance".

    I think the FO (and the new staff) agree with us...

    Offensively Wheezy remains the big question mark, but he showed enough progress to warrant at least one more season. Otherwise the questions were third WR (maybe Bess fills the bill?) and OL depth (hello 7th round OL Gilkey... maybe).

    Defensively the secondary was our major source of frustration (howdy Messrs McFadden and Slaughter). Additionally DE/LB questions arose with the impending change back to the 3-4 (wazzup Messrs Kruger, Mingo and Bryant).

    Otherwise it looks to me like the new regime thinks they can coach the 2012 roster up, and into, the new schemes, but until they try they just will not know what it is they really have. So rather than make uncertain moves in a marginal draft, they made minimal moves and stockpiled 2014 picks.

    So 2013 may, once again, be a bumpy disappointment. If it is, then we are set for a critical 2014 draft, but if it is not, then we are set for a 2014 draft that just may move our Browns back to the relevance we all so desperately want.

    Frankly, I'm stunned at all the positive comments here about the draft.

    I've read and heard a lot of lukewarm assessment about Leon McFadden, who is not all that fast and is more of a slot receiver cover guy, vs. the outside cover guy he'll be for the Browns. If the guy is so good, why wasn't he on the radar of the experts? CBs like Poser and Webb, who were even available in round 4, are considered better than McFadden.

    At least McFadden isn't hurt. I can't imagine the 6th round safety Slaughter being able to go on all cylinders in camp or at the start of the season, even though he says he'll be fine. If you read some of the draft expert analysis and grading of the Browns, several had negative things to offer about Slaughter, who a lot of people said wouldn't even be drafted. Even Slaughter himself was surprised he was drafted!

    And what happens if McFadden gets hurt? Owens and Barnes to cover the opponent's #2 receiver?! Are you kidding me? If Gipson gets hurt and Slaughter can't play, then we put in Hagge?!

    Browns should have used those 4th and 5th round picks to add another DB like Webb or Poser and add a quality safety like Rambo. It's bizarre to me that the Browns have an overabundance of quality depth in the front seven yet have almost nothing of quality in the secondary. I'm sorry. This is akin to building up your military force with far more tanks than you need but allocating almost no resources to providing air cover for your force. When battle comes, the opponents' QB and receivers will be the air force that goes over top of the Cleveland Browns tanks and dominates the air, beats the heck of your army and bases, and wins going away. It's insane to go in to a season with such a thin secondary! Same thing happened last year and we saw the result. Disaster.

    The other thing that bothers me is the "wait till next year" attitude AGAIN. I thought we had enough of that with "take the money and run" Holmgrem. The fans want the team to do all it can to win NOW, not in 2014. Those draft picks should have been used NOW. It's a slam, too, against all the loyal season ticket holders who expend thousands of dollars each year and now know that the product they see on the field in 2013 won't be good enough again due to a weak secondary.

    You didn't see all the other teams collecting draft picks for 2014, did you? They all knew that this current crop of collegians is a deep group of quality athletes, and they went after it. Pittsburgh and Cincy had far better drafts than the Browns and the Ravens have replaced all they lost from a world championship season.

    I still don't understand why they didn't aggressively go out and try and get CB and S at the start of free agency. That was a huge strategic mistake. If they had filled that need, they could have drafted a guy like Tavon Austin who would have accelerated the offense to a new level. But , you know, we never get big thinking from Browns executives. They always think small. And we see the result. Yes, it is a factory of sadness ... and ineptitude.

    Skeptical2013 said:

    Frankly, I'm stunned at all the positive comments here about the draft.

    I've read and heard a lot of lukewarm assessment about Leon McFadden, who is not all that fast and is more of a slot receiver cover guy, vs. the outside cover guy he'll be for the Browns. If the guy is so good, why wasn't he on the radar of the experts? CBs like Poser and Webb, who were even available in round 4, are considered better than McFadden.

    McFadden NEVER played as a nickel corner, or slot cover guy, in college. He lined up outside every play, and was pretty damn good. He's a solid pick.

    #Justsayin'
  • thenew23T thenew23

    I can agree... we had the youngest team in the NFL last year, and those guys deserve time to develop. We already have a nice core of talent with 2 bookend tackles, a stud RB, 2 good WRs going into their 2nd and 3rd years, a young TE who could be quality, great D-line and now solid pass-rushers, a stud CB and SS... we added a #2 CB hopefully and brought in a high risk/reward FS.... I don't think the sky is falling like some people on here. I think we have a good team. Weeden is the biggest ?? but we weren't going to replace him in this draft anyway. Smart, really. Our 4th and 5th rounders weren't going to make or break this season...

    @thenew23 said:

    I can agree... we had the youngest team in the NFL last year, and those guys deserve time to develop. We already have a nice core of talent with 2 bookend tackles, a stud RB, 2 good WRs going into their 2nd and 3rd years, a young TE who could be quality, great D-line and now solid pass-rushers, a stud CB and SS... we added a #2 CB hopefully and brought in a high risk/reward FS.... I don't think the sky is falling like some people on here. I think we have a good team. Weeden is the biggest ?? but we weren't going to replace him in this draft anyway. Smart, really. Our 4th and 5th rounders weren't going to make or break this season...

    the Browns were one of the youngest not the youngest, but so were the Bengals, Seahawks, Vikings, Colts and Packers..so sick of that Bull shit excuse as to why this team sucked last year. Shitty coaching, drafting and FA is why this team sucked not age

  • I could give a shit about draft grades. Everyone was giving us high marks when we traded the Jets and when we traded the Falcons. Look at how many wins that got us.

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