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  • Here are the "Plums" drafted by the Browns from 1950 to 1965:

    1. Jim Brown 148

    2. Doug Atkins 120

    3. Jim Marshall 114

    4. Willie Davis 113

    5. Henry Jordan 111

    6. Paul Warfield 105

    7. Bobby Mitchell 95

    8. Dick Shafrath 91

    9. Gene Hickerson 90

    10.t Leroy Kelly 87

    10.t Dick LeBeau 87

    All but Shafrath and Marshall are HOF....but half of them were not retained by the Browns. (Atkins/Marshall/Davis/Jordan/LeBeau)

  • Courtney Brown has to be on the "Prune" list....dude was a #1 overall pick

  • Funny how David Veikune managed as high as a 1. What with his 5 tackles in 14 game appearances, all of which came in his 4 games with the Broncos. We really pulled a quick one on the rest of the league.

  • 🙂 Wow, I can remember Billy Corbett, Cleveland Crosby, and Lester Sims being terrible choices. How about Willis Adams, Quiny Morgan, Andre Davis, and of course David Vekune? We haven't drafted very well over the years.

  • what about steve everitt (center from mich) and dan foote (de from FS)? both prunes picked by none other than mike lombardi. shit i looked at the list of players he picked with his first stint in cleveland and there were some great picks about 4% of the time. yes he landed us eric turner antonio langham derrick alexander BUT there were years in between where not one of his picks EVER panned out.

    live and learn my friend.

    The GipperT 1 Reply

  • Gotta give Everitt a pass for wearing a Browns bandanna in 96 under his Ravens helmet.

    "All Truth Passes Through Three stages. First, It Is Ridiculed, Second It Is Violently Opposed, And Third, It Is Accepted As Self-Evident" ~Arthur Schopenhauer

  • Here are the career production averages of our worst overall #1 choices. I like the stat because it can be somewhat comparative all positions....but also be reminded that it is "career production", so, I guess, technically a guy with a long mediocre career can have a better score that someone with a short excellent career, so, for this purpose, I am leaving out active players:

    Harry Agannis QB -0-

    Kurt Burris OC -0-

    John Bauer OG 1

    Craig Powell LB 1

    Bobby Garrett QB 1

    Mike Junkin LB 3

    Clifford Charlton LB 3

    Leroy Jackson RB 4

    Bobby Crespino WR 8

    Willis Adams WR 9

    Steve Holden WR 10

    Pete Adams WR12

    Don Rogers DB 13

    William Green RB14

    Robert L. Jackson LB 15

    Tommy Vardell RB 19

    Mack Mitchell DE 20

    Rich Kreitling WR 23

    Charles White RB 28

    Courtney Brown 28

    Courtney Brown actually sits 36th out of 63 Browns first round draft choices, which means that right now 27 Browns first round draft choices have had less productive careers than Courtney Brown. However, of those 27...5 of them are new active players including TR/BW3/Taylor/Haden/Mack).

    So, figuring that there have been over 20 some less productive 1st round picks than Brown, it means, yes, the Browns have had some bad choices. And FYI, Bobby Garrett, who was far less productive, was also a #1 overall.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    what about steve everitt (center from mich) and dan foote (de from FS)? both prunes picked by none other than mike lombardi. shit i looked at the list of players he picked with his first stint in cleveland and there were some great picks about 4% of the time. yes he landed us eric turner antonio langham derrick alexander BUT there were years in between where not one of his picks EVER panned out.

    live and learn my friend.

    @miktoxic said:

    what about steve everitt (center from mich) and dan foote (de from FS)? both prunes picked by none other than mike lombardi. shit i looked at the list of players he picked with his first stint in cleveland and there were some great picks about 4% of the time. yes he landed us eric turner antonio langham derrick alexander BUT there were years in between where not one of his picks EVER panned out.

    live and learn my friend.

    Steve Everitt had a 30 score for Browns first rounders and Langham had a 29. Those scores are right about average. Alexander and Foote, I don't know. would have to check.

  • Steve Holden is the one I really remember from 1973. He was quoted as saying he would bring his surfboard to get out on Lake Erie. I remember that being reported after the draft. Holden was the highest rated WR in that draft and the Bengals drafted Issac Curtis. Advantage Bengals on those two picks.

  • Here are the Plums and Prunes among NFL and AFL #1 overall picks since 1950:

    PLUMS:

    1. Peyton Manning 165

    2. Bruce Smith 143

    3. John Elway 138

    4. Steve Young 135

    5. Chuck Bednarik 129

    6. Ron Yary 118

    7. Terry Bradshaw 106

    8. Buck Buchanan 104 AFL

    9. Drew Bledsoe 103

    10.t Orlando Pace 98

    10.t OJ Simpson 98

    10.t Roman Gabriel 98 AFL

    13.t Troy Aikman 97

    13.t Vinny Testaverde 97

    13.t Ed Too Tall Jones 97

    16. Joe Namath 94

    17. Michael Vick 88

    18. Eli Manning 86

    19. Jim Plunkett 85

    20. Carson Palmer 81

    24. Bernie Kosar 71 Supplemental

    And here are the Prunes among #1 overall picks, but here, just since 1950:

    1. Ernie Davis DNP

    2. Bobby Garret 2

    3. Randy Duncan 2

    4. Harry Babcock 4

    5. Terry Baker 6

    6. Jamarcus Russell 7

    7. Bob Gaiter 11 AFL

    8. KiJana Carter 12

    9. Steve Emtman 13

    10. King Hill 19

    A theme with a few of these prunes of course is injury/illness. Ernie Davis we know died of Leukemia. Emtman and Carter had devastating knee injuries.

    The others just couldn't play. Garrett, Baker, Russell etc.

  • A couple of notes: The Productivity Scores, like several other statistics can be skewed I believe to the more wide open offensive game played more recently. That is why the likes of Steve Young and Peyton Manning are so high on this list....and why QBs who had longevity get high scores, like Testaverde and Bledsoe. Those guys played a lot and produced a lot of yards/passes/TDs....but neither was ever an elite QB I don't believe.

    Plus, scouting now is so much better than it was in the 50s/60s. Back then sometimes scouting was done just by reading Street and Smiths college review. That is why busts like Garrett, Duncan, Hill, Baker could occur so readily then.

    Now it is different. Now scouting is far more sophisticated and supposedly accurate.

    And that is why I would say Jamarcus Russell may be by far the biggest scouting blunder/draft bust in history. Much, much more is know about the guys who are drafted now.

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