Five Years After
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Though it is done, evaluating a draft immediately afterwards is actually quite silly. It usually takes 3-5 years to get a good handle on a draft. Here is a look back at the draft 5 years ago, 2008. See how it shapes up:
Top Quality from Round One, 2008:
#1 OT Jake Long 4 Pro Bowls, 1 All Pro selection
#3 QB Matt Ryan 2 Pro Bowls
#10 LB Jerod Mayo 2 Pro Bowls, 1 All Pro
#12 OT Ryan Clady 3 Pro Bowl, 2 All Pro
#16 DB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie 1 Pro Bowl
#18 QB Joe Flacco 1 Pro Bowl, 1 SB MVP
#24 RB Chris Johnson 3 Pro Bowl, 1 All Pro
#25 DB Mike Jenkins 1 Pro Bowl
#26 OT Dwane Brown 1 Pro Bowl 1 All Pro
Busts from the first round of the 2008 draft:
#6 DE Vernon Gholston out of the league
#8 DE Derrick Harvey out of the league
#19 OT Jeff Otah out of the league
#29 DT Kentwan Balmer out of the league
Best of rounds 2-5. These players have all made at least 1 Pro Bowl:
#44 RB Matt Forte
#49 WR DeSean Jackson
#55 RB Ray Rice
#73 RB Jamal Charles
#146 FB Jerome Felton
#153 WR Matt Slater
#164 OT Carl Nicks
Beat of round 6-7, by using PFR "Career Average" number ( a single number reflecting career):
Round 6:
#205 WR Pierre Garcon 29 CA
#190 DT Ahtyba Rubin 25
#187 OC John Sullivan 23
#175 LB Geno Hayes 21
Round 7:
#224 WR Steve Johnson 25 CA
#227 RB Peyton Hillis 19
#229 DB Cary William 17
#250 OG Mackenzie Bordeneaux 16
(Also QB Matt Flynn)
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But but but.... they didn't take the guy I wanted!
So I'll judge the draft now!
The picks were bad and the players are bad!
Bitch moan bitch moan
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
How did the various teams stack up in that 2008 draft? Here are the number of still active players in the league from those drafts from each team, and the Pro Bowlers drafted
Arizona: 3 active players Rodgers-Cromartie
Atlanta: 7....Matt Ryan
Baltimore: 6, Rice, Flacco
Buffalo: 2....none
Carolina: 6...none
Chicago: 6...Forte
Cincinnati: 6...none
Cleveland: 1...none (Rubin)
Dallas: 6...Mike Jenkins
Denver: 5...Ryan Clady
Detroit: 5...none
Green Bay: 6...none
Houston: 3...none
Indy: 4...none
Jax: 1...none (Quentin Groves)
Kansas City: 6...Jamal Charles
Miami: 7...Jake Long
Minnesota: 3...none
New England: 2...Jerod Mayo, Matt Slater
New Orleans: 3...Carl Nicks
Giants: 3...none
Jets: 3...none
Oakland: 4...none
Philly: 6...DeSean Jackson
Pittsburgh: 3...none
San Diego: 2...none
San Fran: 4...none
Seattle: 4...none
St. Louis: 4...none
Tampa Bay: 4...none
Tennessee: 6...Chris Johnson
Washington: 4...none
So, it seems probable that the team with the best 2008 draft had it pay off 5 years later: The Baltimore Ravens who had both Flacco and Rice....main cogs in their SB run taken that year.
The worst?: Either the Browns, or the Jaguars.
But, I will vote for the Jags because: A. that is the year the Browns didn't have a pick til the fourth round. Jax had picks in those earlier rounds including round 1 where they took Derrick Harvey who no longer plays. The one player the Browns took that was still active is Aytahba Rubin....a quality player.
And the only player still active from the Jags 2008 draft is Quentin Groves....now a Cleveland Brown.
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If we go three years back, here are the plums and the prunes:
Top Quality from Round One 2010:
#2 Ndamakong Suh DT 1 Pro Bowl 1 All Pro
#5 Eric Berry DB 1 PB
#14 Earl Thoma DB 1 PB
#15 Jason Pierre-Paul 1 AP 1 PB
#18 Maurkice Pounce OC 1 AP 2 PB
#27 Devin McCourty DB 1 PB
Potential Busts of 2010 first round, with their PFR Career average rating
#30 Jahvid Best RB out of the league
#13 Brandon Graham DE CA: 7 (compare a 32 for Suh)
#16 Derrick Morgan DE CA:11
#29 Kyle Wilson DB CA: 12
#28 Jared Odrick DE CA: 12
#25 QB Tim Tebow CA: 12
Best of the rest, other Pro Bowlers from 2010:
#42 RoB Gronkowski TE
#91 Navarro Bowman LB
#95 Jimmy Graham TE
#195 Antonion Graham WR
Second round busts:
#43 Sergio Kindle LB Baltimore -0- CA rating
#48 Jimmy Clausen QB -0- CA rating
#56 Mike Neal DB -1- CA rating
#41 Torell Troup DT out of the league CA rating of 2
Kindle shows that Ozzie Newsome is not infallible.
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Gronk and Graham, in different Offenses would have been a different outcome. I know its hind sight. The Jimmy Clausen draft pick was a Mid 2nd rounder, not sure if he was a savior pick or a franchise pick, but yes he was a dud. This shows the draft is a crap shoot and that our previous FO didnt get it right.
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But but but.... they didn't take the guy I wanted!
So I'll judge the draft now!
The picks were bad and the players are bad!
Bitch moan bitch moan
But but but.... they didn't take the guy I wanted!
So I'll judge the draft now!
The picks were bad and the players are bad!
Bitch moan bitch moan
But but but...they took the guy I wanted!
So this draft is perfect and people are stupid for thinking otherwise!
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If we go three years back, here are the plums and the prunes:
Top Quality from Round One 2010:
#2 Ndamakong Suh DT 1 Pro Bowl 1 All Pro
#5 Eric Berry DB 1 PB
#14 Earl Thoma DB 1 PB
#15 Jason Pierre-Paul 1 AP 1 PB
#18 Maurkice Pounce OC 1 AP 2 PB
#27 Devin McCourty DB 1 PB
Potential Busts of 2010 first round, with their PFR Career average rating
#30 Jahvid Best RB out of the league
#13 Brandon Graham DE CA: 7 (compare a 32 for Suh)
#16 Derrick Morgan DE CA:11
#29 Kyle Wilson DB CA: 12
#28 Jared Odrick DE CA: 12
#25 QB Tim Tebow CA: 12
Best of the rest, other Pro Bowlers from 2010:
#42 RoB Gronkowski TE
#91 Navarro Bowman LB
#95 Jimmy Graham TE
#195 Antonion Graham WR
Second round busts:
#43 Sergio Kindle LB Baltimore -0- CA rating
#48 Jimmy Clausen QB -0- CA rating
#56 Mike Neal DB -1- CA rating
#41 Torell Troup DT out of the league CA rating of 2
Kindle shows that Ozzie Newsome is not infallible.
If we go three years back, here are the plums and the prunes:
Top Quality from Round One 2010:
#2 Ndamakong Suh DT 1 Pro Bowl 1 All Pro
#5 Eric Berry DB 1 PB
#14 Earl Thoma DB 1 PB
#15 Jason Pierre-Paul 1 AP 1 PB
#18 Maurkice Pounce OC 1 AP 2 PB
#27 Devin McCourty DB 1 PB
Potential Busts of 2010 first round, with their PFR Career average rating
#30 Jahvid Best RB out of the league
#13 Brandon Graham DE CA: 7 (compare a 32 for Suh)
#16 Derrick Morgan DE CA:11
#29 Kyle Wilson DB CA: 12
#28 Jared Odrick DE CA: 12
#25 QB Tim Tebow CA: 12
Best of the rest, other Pro Bowlers from 2010:
#42 RoB Gronkowski TE
#91 Navarro Bowman LB
#95 Jimmy Graham TE
#195 Antonion Graham WR
Second round busts:
#43 Sergio Kindle LB Baltimore -0- CA rating
#48 Jimmy Clausen QB -0- CA rating
#56 Mike Neal DB -1- CA rating
#41 Torell Troup DT out of the league CA rating of 2
Kindle shows that Ozzie Newsome is not infallible.
...You forgot Joe Haden, a Cleveland Brown. I personally feel he has been probowl snubbed and last season he was denied the Probowl because of the suspension, but I tell ya the truth- I'd rather have Haden over ANY CB in the Probowl that represented the AFC, or the NFC for that matter. Joe Haden rules.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
If we go three years back, here are the plums and the prunes:
Top Quality from Round One 2010:
#2 Ndamakong Suh DT 1 Pro Bowl 1 All Pro
#5 Eric Berry DB 1 PB
#14 Earl Thoma DB 1 PB
#15 Jason Pierre-Paul 1 AP 1 PB
#18 Maurkice Pounce OC 1 AP 2 PB
#27 Devin McCourty DB 1 PB
Potential Busts of 2010 first round, with their PFR Career average rating
#30 Jahvid Best RB out of the league
#13 Brandon Graham DE CA: 7 (compare a 32 for Suh)
#16 Derrick Morgan DE CA:11
#29 Kyle Wilson DB CA: 12
#28 Jared Odrick DE CA: 12
#25 QB Tim Tebow CA: 12
Best of the rest, other Pro Bowlers from 2010:
#42 RoB Gronkowski TE
#91 Navarro Bowman LB
#95 Jimmy Graham TE
#195 Antonion Graham WR
Second round busts:
#43 Sergio Kindle LB Baltimore -0- CA rating
#48 Jimmy Clausen QB -0- CA rating
#56 Mike Neal DB -1- CA rating
#41 Torell Troup DT out of the league CA rating of 2
Kindle shows that Ozzie Newsome is not infallible.
...You forgot Joe Haden, a Cleveland Brown. I personally feel he has been probowl snubbed and last season he was denied the Probowl because of the suspension, but I tell ya the truth- I'd rather have Haden over ANY CB in the Probowl that represented the AFC, or the NFC for that matter. Joe Haden rules.
...You forgot Joe Haden, a Cleveland Brown. I personally feel he has been probowl snubbed and last season he was denied the Probowl because of the suspension, but I tell ya the truth- I'd rather have Haden over ANY CB in the Probowl that represented the AFC, or the NFC for that matter. Joe Haden rules.
Your personal feeling mean nothing in this matter. Is he considered one of the best CB in the league. Ya, but this list only shows players that have been to pro bowls.
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If we go three years back, here are the plums and the prunes:
Top Quality from Round One 2010:
#2 Ndamakong Suh DT 1 Pro Bowl 1 All Pro
#5 Eric Berry DB 1 PB
#14 Earl Thoma DB 1 PB
#15 Jason Pierre-Paul 1 AP 1 PB
#18 Maurkice Pounce OC 1 AP 2 PB
#27 Devin McCourty DB 1 PB
Potential Busts of 2010 first round, with their PFR Career average rating
#30 Jahvid Best RB out of the league
#13 Brandon Graham DE CA: 7 (compare a 32 for Suh)
#16 Derrick Morgan DE CA:11
#29 Kyle Wilson DB CA: 12
#28 Jared Odrick DE CA: 12
#25 QB Tim Tebow CA: 12
Best of the rest, other Pro Bowlers from 2010:
#42 RoB Gronkowski TE
#91 Navarro Bowman LB
#95 Jimmy Graham TE
#195 Antonion Graham WR
Second round busts:
#43 Sergio Kindle LB Baltimore -0- CA rating
#48 Jimmy Clausen QB -0- CA rating
#56 Mike Neal DB -1- CA rating
#41 Torell Troup DT out of the league CA rating of 2
Kindle shows that Ozzie Newsome is not infallible.
...You forgot Joe Haden, a Cleveland Brown. I personally feel he has been probowl snubbed and last season he was denied the Probowl because of the suspension, but I tell ya the truth- I'd rather have Haden over ANY CB in the Probowl that represented the AFC, or the NFC for that matter. Joe Haden rules.
...You forgot Joe Haden, a Cleveland Brown. I personally feel he has been probowl snubbed and last season he was denied the Probowl because of the suspension, but I tell ya the truth- I'd rather have Haden over ANY CB in the Probowl that represented the AFC, or the NFC for that matter. Joe Haden rules.
I only listed those who have made a Pro Bowl. For as good as I think he is and as much as I agree with you, Joe, apparently has yet to be named a Pro Bowler.
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If we go three years back, here are the plums and the prunes:
Top Quality from Round One 2010:
#2 Ndamakong Suh DT 1 Pro Bowl 1 All Pro
#5 Eric Berry DB 1 PB
#14 Earl Thoma DB 1 PB
#15 Jason Pierre-Paul 1 AP 1 PB
#18 Maurkice Pounce OC 1 AP 2 PB
#27 Devin McCourty DB 1 PB
Potential Busts of 2010 first round, with their PFR Career average rating
#30 Jahvid Best RB out of the league
#13 Brandon Graham DE CA: 7 (compare a 32 for Suh)
#16 Derrick Morgan DE CA:11
#29 Kyle Wilson DB CA: 12
#28 Jared Odrick DE CA: 12
#25 QB Tim Tebow CA: 12
Best of the rest, other Pro Bowlers from 2010:
#42 RoB Gronkowski TE
#91 Navarro Bowman LB
#95 Jimmy Graham TE
#195 Antonion Graham WR
Second round busts:
#43 Sergio Kindle LB Baltimore -0- CA rating
#48 Jimmy Clausen QB -0- CA rating
#56 Mike Neal DB -1- CA rating
#41 Torell Troup DT out of the league CA rating of 2
Kindle shows that Ozzie Newsome is not infallible.
If we go three years back, here are the plums and the prunes:
Top Quality from Round One 2010:
#2 Ndamakong Suh DT 1 Pro Bowl 1 All Pro
#5 Eric Berry DB 1 PB
#14 Earl Thoma DB 1 PB
#15 Jason Pierre-Paul 1 AP 1 PB
#18 Maurkice Pounce OC 1 AP 2 PB
#27 Devin McCourty DB 1 PB
Potential Busts of 2010 first round, with their PFR Career average rating
#30 Jahvid Best RB out of the league
#13 Brandon Graham DE CA: 7 (compare a 32 for Suh)
#16 Derrick Morgan DE CA:11
#29 Kyle Wilson DB CA: 12
#28 Jared Odrick DE CA: 12
#25 QB Tim Tebow CA: 12
Best of the rest, other Pro Bowlers from 2010:
#42 RoB Gronkowski TE
#91 Navarro Bowman LB
#95 Jimmy Graham TE
#195 Antonion Graham WR
Second round busts:
#43 Sergio Kindle LB Baltimore -0- CA rating
#48 Jimmy Clausen QB -0- CA rating
#56 Mike Neal DB -1- CA rating
#41 Torell Troup DT out of the league CA rating of 2
Kindle shows that Ozzie Newsome is not infallible.
not sure Ozzie knew he was gonna break his skull and F his career up.. But I get your point, think how many people loved the Dill Pickle back then..
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