My Theory Of The Browns' 2013 Draft... The Fo Agrees With Us
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No, those grades do not take into account Gordon as a second round pick.
Besides, I believe a lot of these grades, are simply "give the Steelers and Ratbirds a high grade,
because they are winning anyways"
Seriously, I see it that way. "Your team is losing, so the draft won't make you a winner, so your draft sucks"
We won't know the impact (the only true grade) of this draft until the season wears on.
The Browns will be competitive this year, I'm sure, and next year, with an extra third and fourth rounder,
watch their draft grade be higher, especially with them winning.
No, those grades do not take into account Gordon as a second round pick.
Besides, I believe a lot of these grades, are simply "give the Steelers and Ratbirds a high grade,
because they are winning anyways"
Seriously, I see it that way. "Your team is losing, so the draft won't make you a winner, so your draft sucks"
We won't know the impact (the only true grade) of this draft until the season wears on.
The Browns will be competitive this year, I'm sure, and next year, with an extra third and fourth rounder,
watch their draft grade be higher, especially with them winning.
They shouldn't take Gordon into account, because Gordon wasn't drafted by this regime. He was picked by Heckert, a guy who actually knew how to draft.
If you believe that the Steelers, Ravens and Bengals are getting good grades because they win, it just shows how dark the orange tinted glasses are that you are wearing. The Steelers have always drafted well, as have the Ravens. The Bengals have made some great picks in the last 3-4 drafts, and that's why they are winning. We, however, continue to make shitty selections year in and year out. The only competent GM we've had was handcuffed by an inept coaching staff trying to implement antiquated, vanilla schemes that haven't been successful in their base forms in the NFL in the last 20 years.
This draft was pitiful for us and nearly every expert and analyst agrees. We made marginal improvements, if that, and we left good players at positions of need on the board for no apparent reason. The best draft pick of this entire class for us very well be McFadden. Mingo is too much of a Gholston/Maybin clone for me to expect anything more and the rest of the picks are practice squad or special teams fodder.
By week eight, we may see a UDFA higher on the depth chart than Slaughter.
Mingo would have been available had we traded down, and if he wasn't, Jones would have been. We could have very easily recouped a second round pick and used that to take a guard who would have immediately started or an interior linebacker that we still desperately need.
Unless they FO decides to move Sheard for an interior linebacker, we still have a gaping hole in our front seven. Loading up with pass rushing outside linebackers is a moot point when the other linebackers aren't able to cover the checkdowns and valve reads. Kruger is still a question mark, Mingo is a big question mark, and so is Sheard. We don't know which D'Qwell Jackson we're going to get nor do we know how long we are going to get him for. We've loaded up with nothing but upside, yet have really no solid players in the LB corps that we can rely on. When all is said and done, the only players we know we can count on in the front 7 are going to be Rubin and Taylor.
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Think of picks as assets.
All of our picks are significantly more talented than the equivalent round picks in previous years.. I'm happy they took a chance on both of our 7th round picks: The 8th best OG and the DL who has the athleticism to be a starter.
The picks we didn't make this year will make our team better next year. Bess and Gordon are also good picks.
Our CB will be at minimum a decent starter. NFL.com compared him to Brent Grimes.. he's scrappy.
I don't get the hate!
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Here is why draft grades the day after the draft don't make a fucking difference.
Round 1 of the 2007 draft is a wrap. If you found it long and tedious, at least you can take some small comfort in the fact that you aren’t Brady Quinn:
Best picks
Brady Quinn, QB, Browns
Quinn had a rough afternoon. When the Dolphins dissed him with the ninth pick overall, Commissioner Goodell sent him to a special isolation room so that gawkers couldn’t watch him squirm on two television networks. And by the way, Aaron Rodgers wants to know where that isolation room was when he slipped to the Packers two years ago.
Quinn is a lifelong Browns fan who was coached at Notre Dame by Charlie Weis, a long-time colleague of Browns coach Romeo Crennel. He’s NFL-ready in terms of work habits, footwork and game knowledge. He needs to work on his timing, but that’s a correctable flaw. By 2009, Quinn will be a Pro Bowl-caliber quarterback.
If you don’t believe the scouting, believe the numbers. The Football Outsiders Quarterback Projection System believes that Quinn will be successful. The system is rarely wrong.
Cleveland Browns
Grade: A-Details: Eric Mangini hasn’t made many fans in Cleveland, but this weekend should help win them over. They brilliantly moved down the draft board, grabbing three extra picks and three veterans. This was the perfect strategy for a thin roster in a deep draft without stars. Center Alex Mack, wideout Brian Robiskie, and OLB David Veikune all should help right away. Fourth-rounder Kaluka Maiava could be a steal out of USC.They didn’t get an A for two reasons: They may regret passing on Mark Sanchez and they didn’t improve their pass rush enough.http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/30413106/?pg=14#spt_nfl_draft_reportcard2009
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I can agree... we had the youngest team in the NFL last year, and those guys deserve time to develop. We already have a nice core of talent with 2 bookend tackles, a stud RB, 2 good WRs going into their 2nd and 3rd years, a young TE who could be quality, great D-line and now solid pass-rushers, a stud CB and SS... we added a #2 CB hopefully and brought in a high risk/reward FS.... I don't think the sky is falling like some people on here. I think we have a good team. Weeden is the biggest ?? but we weren't going to replace him in this draft anyway. Smart, really. Our 4th and 5th rounders weren't going to make or break this season...
so your're saying all we did was bring in a 2nd tier CB, a 'maybe' 3rd receiver via trade (in your words and an iffy safety.
yeah i give this draft an A+!!
not.
so your're saying all we did was bring in a 2nd tier CB, a 'maybe' 3rd receiver via trade (in your words and an iffy safety.
yeah i give this draft an A+!!
not.
As far as I was concerned, what the Browns needed going into this draft was the following:
1. Another stud pass rusher OLB
2. A complimentary CB to go along with Joe Haden, i.e. a step up from Buster Skrine
3. Someone to compete with Hagg and Gipson at FS.
4. Depth on the offensive line and perhaps someone to compete with Pinkston/Lauvao at the Guard positions
5. Depth at WR
What we got out of this draft is exactly what we needed/wanted.
A. Our first pick was going to be either that pass rusher or a CB. We took the pass rusher. Had we taken Milliner, then they would have needed to do something with the pass rush with the third round pick...and who knows what would have been there then.
B. So, in round 3 we get what we hope is the complimentary CB.
C. We got a guy to compete at FS, Jamoris Slaughter. He was probably undervalued because of his injuries. Had he played a full season, he may have been deemed 2d/3rd round talent.
D. With Gilkey there is someone to compete at the OG position. Who knows if a 7th rounder will work out, but apparently this guy has size and skills...and will perhaps push the incumbents.
E. Through trade down maneuvering they got what looks to be a solid young veteran WR.
Now, where can criticism come from? Obviously it comes from trading the 4th rounder and the 5th rounder this year for picks in next year's draft. .leaving the Browns with only 5 picks in what many said was a deep draft.
Maybe it will work out great. The Steelers, I think, will struggle this year. That 4th rounder could end up being in the top half of the 3rd round next year. Same with the 5th rounder that could be mid 4th round next year.
Of course, it pisses one off that we have to sit for an hour and a half anticipating the Browns pick, only to have them defer it for a year....and then do it again another hour and a half later.
The criticism comes where if a year or two or now a guy that they could have taken proves to be a real player.
E.g. I was hoping the Browns would have grabbed say, OG/OG Barrett Jones out of Alabama with their 4th round pick to provide the depth we needed in the interior OL. I guess the genius Mike Lombardi didn't think that highly of him.
The other potential criticism is that with their late round picks Lombardi seems to be infatuated with trying to prove how smart he is by taking these unknown players from unknown small schools.
I will say this however, Gilkey on a couple of draft services I reviewed was grade out to be perhaps a 6th rounder despite being from small Chadron St. So, maybe that is not a reach.
The other guy though from north by northwest central eastern Oklahoma/Timbuktu state is a guy that Bill Parcells would describe as "May Day in Moscow" there are so many red flags flying around this guy.
Nevertheless, the Browns did exactly what they needed to accomplish in this draft. It just has to work out.
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The Browns had a fine draft. It was just a below average year for first round talent in some areas.
The following gives some perspective on the draft: (they don't take into consideration Gordon with the Browns'
second pick. I figure Gordon would have gone very high in the first round this year. That makes the Browns' second round
pick a huge steal. But getting an extra third and fourth next year, in a draft that is sure a better quality draft.... is very, very smart.
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AFC NORTHBaltimore RavensMatt Elam, S, FloridaArthur Brown, MLB, Kansas StateBrandon Williams, DT, Missouri SouthernOzzie Newsome beats everyone again. The Elam pick in the first round was solid. The trade up to get Brown in the second round was spectacular. He's more Dannell Ellerbe than Ray Lewis, but he may be even better than the new Dolphin. Williams is a little strange. Most predict him to shift to offense.Grade: B+****************************************************Cincinnati BengalsTyler Eifert, TE, Notre DameGiovani Bernard, RB, North CarolinaMargus Hunt, DE, SMUShawn Williams, S, GeorgiaThe choice of Eifert remains a good one because of how he can change the offense and be a dependable target for Andy Dalton. At one point Bernard was considered the top running back in the draft, so he's a fine pickup as well. With Hunt, he may only be a factor on special teams early in his career, and the same goes for Williams.Grade: B************************************************Cleveland BrownsBarkevious Mingo, OLB, LSULeon McFadden, CB, San Diego StateMingo was a good high-upside choice in the first round, a good gamble for a team unlikely to make the playoffs this season. The Browns absolutely needed to take a cornerback in the third round. Whether or not McFadden can beat out Buster Skrine, though, is a little shaky. McFadden has a lot of experience, though, so he shouldn't need a lot of fine tuning before breaking into the lineup.Grade: B******************************************************************Pittsburgh SteelersJarvis Jones, OLB, GeorgiaLe'Veon Bell, RB, Michigan StateMarkus Wheaton, WR, Oregon StateJarvis Jones remains one of the steals of the entire draft. Bell likely got the nod for Pittsburgh because he's a better blocker than most running backs. His playing style fits how the Steelers run the ball. The same can be said for Wheaton in the pass game. He should be one of the top rookie wide receivers this season because he can stretch the field vertically.Grade: A+The Browns had a fine draft. It was just a below average year for first round talent in some areas.
The following gives some perspective on the draft: (they don't take into consideration Gordon with the Browns'
second pick. I figure Gordon would have gone very high in the first round this year. That makes the Browns' second round
pick a huge steal. But getting an extra third and fourth next year, in a draft that is sure a better quality draft.... is very, very smart.
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AFC NORTHBaltimore RavensMatt Elam, S, FloridaArthur Brown, MLB, Kansas StateBrandon Williams, DT, Missouri SouthernOzzie Newsome beats everyone again. The Elam pick in the first round was solid. The trade up to get Brown in the second round was spectacular. He's more Dannell Ellerbe than Ray Lewis, but he may be even better than the new Dolphin. Williams is a little strange. Most predict him to shift to offense.Grade: B+****************************************************Cincinnati BengalsTyler Eifert, TE, Notre DameGiovani Bernard, RB, North CarolinaMargus Hunt, DE, SMUShawn Williams, S, GeorgiaThe choice of Eifert remains a good one because of how he can change the offense and be a dependable target for Andy Dalton. At one point Bernard was considered the top running back in the draft, so he's a fine pickup as well. With Hunt, he may only be a factor on special teams early in his career, and the same goes for Williams.Grade: B************************************************Cleveland BrownsBarkevious Mingo, OLB, LSULeon McFadden, CB, San Diego StateMingo was a good high-upside choice in the first round, a good gamble for a team unlikely to make the playoffs this season. The Browns absolutely needed to take a cornerback in the third round. Whether or not McFadden can beat out Buster Skrine, though, is a little shaky. McFadden has a lot of experience, though, so he shouldn't need a lot of fine tuning before breaking into the lineup.Grade: B******************************************************************Pittsburgh SteelersJarvis Jones, OLB, GeorgiaLe'Veon Bell, RB, Michigan StateMarkus Wheaton, WR, Oregon StateJarvis Jones remains one of the steals of the entire draft. Bell likely got the nod for Pittsburgh because he's a better blocker than most running backs. His playing style fits how the Steelers run the ball. The same can be said for Wheaton in the pass game. He should be one of the top rookie wide receivers this season because he can stretch the field vertically.Grade: A+Somebody is a Steeler jock sniffer with that grade. It was a good draft on paper....but not as good...on paper as the Bengals and Ravens drafts.
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No, those grades do not take into account Gordon as a second round pick.
Besides, I believe a lot of these grades, are simply "give the Steelers and Ratbirds a high grade,
because they are winning anyways"
Seriously, I see it that way. "Your team is losing, so the draft won't make you a winner, so your draft sucks"
We won't know the impact (the only true grade) of this draft until the season wears on.
The Browns will be competitive this year, I'm sure, and next year, with an extra third and fourth rounder,
watch their draft grade be higher, especially with them winning.
No, those grades do not take into account Gordon as a second round pick.
Besides, I believe a lot of these grades, are simply "give the Steelers and Ratbirds a high grade,
because they are winning anyways"
Seriously, I see it that way. "Your team is losing, so the draft won't make you a winner, so your draft sucks"
We won't know the impact (the only true grade) of this draft until the season wears on.
The Browns will be competitive this year, I'm sure, and next year, with an extra third and fourth rounder,
watch their draft grade be higher, especially with them winning.
The biggest advantage the Bengals/Steelers/Ravens had on the Browns in this draft? Simply numbers.
The Ravens had 10 picks, the Bengals 10, the Steelers 9, the Browns 5.
One of the reasons the Steelers and Ravens had so many picks was because they were given compensatory picks from their losses of so many Free Agents.
One other way to look at it is: those 2 teams had many more holes to fill than the Browns.. And that's true.
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The Browns had a fine draft. It was just a below average year for first round talent in some areas.
The following gives some perspective on the draft: (they don't take into consideration Gordon with the Browns'
second pick. I figure Gordon would have gone very high in the first round this year. That makes the Browns' second round
pick a huge steal. But getting an extra third and fourth next year, in a draft that is sure a better quality draft.... is very, very smart.
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AFC NORTHBaltimore RavensMatt Elam, S, FloridaArthur Brown, MLB, Kansas StateBrandon Williams, DT, Missouri SouthernOzzie Newsome beats everyone again. The Elam pick in the first round was solid. The trade up to get Brown in the second round was spectacular. He's more Dannell Ellerbe than Ray Lewis, but he may be even better than the new Dolphin. Williams is a little strange. Most predict him to shift to offense.Grade: B+****************************************************Cincinnati BengalsTyler Eifert, TE, Notre DameGiovani Bernard, RB, North CarolinaMargus Hunt, DE, SMUShawn Williams, S, GeorgiaThe choice of Eifert remains a good one because of how he can change the offense and be a dependable target for Andy Dalton. At one point Bernard was considered the top running back in the draft, so he's a fine pickup as well. With Hunt, he may only be a factor on special teams early in his career, and the same goes for Williams.Grade: B************************************************Cleveland BrownsBarkevious Mingo, OLB, LSULeon McFadden, CB, San Diego StateMingo was a good high-upside choice in the first round, a good gamble for a team unlikely to make the playoffs this season. The Browns absolutely needed to take a cornerback in the third round. Whether or not McFadden can beat out Buster Skrine, though, is a little shaky. McFadden has a lot of experience, though, so he shouldn't need a lot of fine tuning before breaking into the lineup.Grade: B******************************************************************Pittsburgh SteelersJarvis Jones, OLB, GeorgiaLe'Veon Bell, RB, Michigan StateMarkus Wheaton, WR, Oregon StateJarvis Jones remains one of the steals of the entire draft. Bell likely got the nod for Pittsburgh because he's a better blocker than most running backs. His playing style fits how the Steelers run the ball. The same can be said for Wheaton in the pass game. He should be one of the top rookie wide receivers this season because he can stretch the field vertically.Grade: A+Somebody is a Steeler jock sniffer with that grade. It was a good draft on paper....but not as good...on paper as the Bengals and Ravens drafts.
Somebody is a Steeler jock sniffer with that grade. It was a good draft on paper....but not as good...on paper as the Bengals and Ravens drafts.
Shark Thomas would have been a very early day 2 pick if not for his size. He makes up for it in strength (28 reps) and vertical (40) but his size much like that of bob sanders scared teams off. Bell will start immediately and wheaton is already very polished. All of which doesnt mention drafting Jones . The steelers had the best draft. i love arthur brown tho and Margus hunt.
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Somebody is a Steeler jock sniffer with that grade. It was a good draft on paper....but not as good...on paper as the Bengals and Ravens drafts.
Shark Thomas would have been a very early day 2 pick if not for his size. He makes up for it in strength (28 reps) and vertical (40) but his size much like that of bob sanders scared teams off. Bell will start immediately and wheaton is already very polished. All of which doesnt mention drafting Jones . The steelers had the best draft. i love arthur brown tho and Margus hunt.
Chris Rainey would have been a very early day 2 pick if not for his size. He makes up for it in strength (28 reps) and vertical (40) but his size much like that of bob sanders scared teams off. Sean Spence will start immediately and Mike Adams is already very polished. All of which doesnt mention drafting Alameda Ta'amu . The steelers had the best draft. i love Trent Richardson tho and Josh Gordon.
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Somebody is a Steeler jock sniffer with that grade. It was a good draft on paper....but not as good...on paper as the Bengals and Ravens drafts.
Shark Thomas would have been a very early day 2 pick if not for his size. He makes up for it in strength (28 reps) and vertical (40) but his size much like that of bob sanders scared teams off. Bell will start immediately and wheaton is already very polished. All of which doesnt mention drafting Jones . The steelers had the best draft. i love arthur brown tho and Margus hunt.
Shark Thomas would have been a very early day 2 pick if not for his size. He makes up for it in strength (28 reps) and vertical (40) but his size much like that of bob sanders scared teams off. Bell will start immediately and wheaton is already very polished. All of which doesnt mention drafting Jones . The steelers had the best draft. i love arthur brown tho and Margus hunt.
If you look just at the prospect rating of each teams draft choices, I think, overall, the Ravens and Bengals got better prospects than the Steelers.
Whether it all works out on the field in 3-5 years remains to be seen.
See my Plums and Prunes thread where I evaluate the drafts from 5 and 3 years ago.
Five years ago the Ravens got 2 major cogs in their SB win this past year: Flacco and Rice.
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Chris Rainey would have been a very early day 2 pick if not for his size. He makes up for it in strength (28 reps) and vertical (40) but his size much like that of bob sanders scared teams off. Sean Spence will start immediately and Mike Adams is already very polished. All of which doesnt mention drafting Alameda Ta'amu . The steelers had the best draft. i love Trent Richardson tho and Josh Gordon.
Chris Rainey would have been a very early day 2 pick if not for his size. He makes up for it in strength (28 reps) and vertical (40) but his size much like that of bob sanders scared teams off. Sean Spence will start immediately and Mike Adams is already very polished. All of which doesnt mention drafting Alameda Ta'amu . The steelers had the best draft. i love Trent Richardson tho and Josh Gordon.
Cute but this makes absolutely no sense other than to point out we wont know anything until they play.
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Shark Thomas would have been a very early day 2 pick if not for his size. He makes up for it in strength (28 reps) and vertical (40) but his size much like that of bob sanders scared teams off. Bell will start immediately and wheaton is already very polished. All of which doesnt mention drafting Jones . The steelers had the best draft. i love arthur brown tho and Margus hunt.
If you look just at the prospect rating of each teams draft choices, I think, overall, the Ravens and Bengals got better prospects than the Steelers.
Whether it all works out on the field in 3-5 years remains to be seen.
See my Plums and Prunes thread where I evaluate the drafts from 5 and 3 years ago.
Five years ago the Ravens got 2 major cogs in their SB win this past year: Flacco and Rice.
If you look just at the prospect rating of each teams draft choices, I think, overall, the Ravens and Bengals got better prospects than the Steelers.
Whether it all works out on the field in 3-5 years remains to be seen.
See my Plums and Prunes thread where I evaluate the drafts from 5 and 3 years ago.
Five years ago the Ravens got 2 major cogs in their SB win this past year: Flacco and Rice.
I was elated to get Jones and Bell is a Steven Jackson clone, just ask Jackson. Wheaton was also a huge grab in the 3rd and reminds me of a more gritty mike wallace. bottom line we wont know much of anything until they hit the field. i love arthur brown. im not big eifert at all and think hes overrated but i guess we will see and didnt like the mingo pick for you guys at all in round one. i agree with some others, trade down and still draft jarvis jones.
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If you look just at the prospect rating of each teams draft choices, I think, overall, the Ravens and Bengals got better prospects than the Steelers.
Whether it all works out on the field in 3-5 years remains to be seen.
See my Plums and Prunes thread where I evaluate the drafts from 5 and 3 years ago.
Five years ago the Ravens got 2 major cogs in their SB win this past year: Flacco and Rice.
I was elated to get Jones and Bell is a Steven Jackson clone, just ask Jackson. Wheaton was also a huge grab in the 3rd and reminds me of a more gritty mike wallace. bottom line we wont know much of anything until they hit the field. i love arthur brown. im not big eifert at all and think hes overrated but i guess we will see and didnt like the mingo pick for you guys at all in round one. i agree with some others, trade down and still draft jarvis jones.
I was elated to get Jones and Bell is a Steven Jackson clone, just ask Jackson. Wheaton was also a huge grab in the 3rd and reminds me of a more gritty mike wallace. bottom line we wont know much of anything until they hit the field. i love arthur brown. im not big eifert at all and think hes overrated but i guess we will see and didnt like the mingo pick for you guys at all in round one. i agree with some others, trade down and still draft jarvis jones.
We probably won't "know" anything for 3-5 years. See my next thread
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I was elated to get Jones and Bell is a Steven Jackson clone, just ask Jackson. Wheaton was also a huge grab in the 3rd and reminds me of a more gritty mike wallace. bottom line we wont know much of anything until they hit the field. i love arthur brown. im not big eifert at all and think hes overrated but i guess we will see and didnt like the mingo pick for you guys at all in round one. i agree with some others, trade down and still draft jarvis jones.
We probably won't "know" anything for 3-5 years. See my next thread
We probably won't "know" anything for 3-5 years. See my next thread
i havent looked at your other thread but with rookies making more of an impact these days i disagree. However it also depends on the team and the areas of need. Typically and its a major point of contention with some pittsburgh fans is that rookies dont see the field much as rookies. I expect both Bell and Jones to see time with getting a substantial load. Receivers tend to get it three years in but some start fast. its all really relative...i expect guys to contribute this year. As Browns fans with your draft the last decade you should expect it too. If Mingo isnt at least spot pass rushing i would be pissed if i were a browns fan. See Bruce Irvin...mingo is crazy small tho. I hated the pick for you guys but loved it for the Steelers because we grabbed Jones.
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We probably won't "know" anything for 3-5 years. See my next thread
i havent looked at your other thread but with rookies making more of an impact these days i disagree. However it also depends on the team and the areas of need. Typically and its a major point of contention with some pittsburgh fans is that rookies dont see the field much as rookies. I expect both Bell and Jones to see time with getting a substantial load. Receivers tend to get it three years in but some start fast. its all really relative...i expect guys to contribute this year. As Browns fans with your draft the last decade you should expect it too. If Mingo isnt at least spot pass rushing i would be pissed if i were a browns fan. See Bruce Irvin...mingo is crazy small tho. I hated the pick for you guys but loved it for the Steelers because we grabbed Jones.
i havent looked at your other thread but with rookies making more of an impact these days i disagree. However it also depends on the team and the areas of need. Typically and its a major point of contention with some pittsburgh fans is that rookies dont see the field much as rookies. I expect both Bell and Jones to see time with getting a substantial load. Receivers tend to get it three years in but some start fast. its all really relative...i expect guys to contribute this year. As Browns fans with your draft the last decade you should expect it too. If Mingo isnt at least spot pass rushing i would be pissed if i were a browns fan. See Bruce Irvin...mingo is crazy small tho. I hated the pick for you guys but loved it for the Steelers because we grabbed Jones.
6'4 is crazy small?...No...Atyhba Rubin is crazy small at like 6'0...
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We probably won't "know" anything for 3-5 years. See my next thread
i havent looked at your other thread but with rookies making more of an impact these days i disagree. However it also depends on the team and the areas of need. Typically and its a major point of contention with some pittsburgh fans is that rookies dont see the field much as rookies. I expect both Bell and Jones to see time with getting a substantial load. Receivers tend to get it three years in but some start fast. its all really relative...i expect guys to contribute this year. As Browns fans with your draft the last decade you should expect it too. If Mingo isnt at least spot pass rushing i would be pissed if i were a browns fan. See Bruce Irvin...mingo is crazy small tho. I hated the pick for you guys but loved it for the Steelers because we grabbed Jones.
i havent looked at your other thread but with rookies making more of an impact these days i disagree. However it also depends on the team and the areas of need. Typically and its a major point of contention with some pittsburgh fans is that rookies dont see the field much as rookies. I expect both Bell and Jones to see time with getting a substantial load. Receivers tend to get it three years in but some start fast. its all really relative...i expect guys to contribute this year. As Browns fans with your draft the last decade you should expect it too. If Mingo isnt at least spot pass rushing i would be pissed if i were a browns fan. See Bruce Irvin...mingo is crazy small tho. I hated the pick for you guys but loved it for the Steelers because we grabbed Jones.
I think 3-5 yrs is fair to grade a draft. Its fun to grade right after the draft put the real proof is on the field. For example, you draft last yr was hailed as great. The reality is was it was probably one of the worst in the league. You draft from 2008 with Mendenhall and Sweed was again hailed as great. Doesn't look so great now. I think the Steelers get more credit than they deserve because they are the Steelers. You look at their recent drafts and they are mediocre at best which is why they are declining IMO. On paper the Steelers are to have a good draft. But there is a reason Jones dropped. I can speak to the back the Steelers drafted on how he will turn out, but in my opinion the Bengals got the best back in the draft. But I agree Bell and Jones should see significant time this year. A few years from now we can revisit this draft and see how it went.
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i havent looked at your other thread but with rookies making more of an impact these days i disagree. However it also depends on the team and the areas of need. Typically and its a major point of contention with some pittsburgh fans is that rookies dont see the field much as rookies. I expect both Bell and Jones to see time with getting a substantial load. Receivers tend to get it three years in but some start fast. its all really relative...i expect guys to contribute this year. As Browns fans with your draft the last decade you should expect it too. If Mingo isnt at least spot pass rushing i would be pissed if i were a browns fan. See Bruce Irvin...mingo is crazy small tho. I hated the pick for you guys but loved it for the Steelers because we grabbed Jones.
6'4 is crazy small?...No...Atyhba Rubin is crazy small at like 6'0...
6'4 is crazy small?...No...Atyhba Rubin is crazy small at like 6'0...
he only weighs in the 225 range and that is small for a 34 outside backer. im not sure how much more weight his frame willsupport without losing mobility.
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i havent looked at your other thread but with rookies making more of an impact these days i disagree. However it also depends on the team and the areas of need. Typically and its a major point of contention with some pittsburgh fans is that rookies dont see the field much as rookies. I expect both Bell and Jones to see time with getting a substantial load. Receivers tend to get it three years in but some start fast. its all really relative...i expect guys to contribute this year. As Browns fans with your draft the last decade you should expect it too. If Mingo isnt at least spot pass rushing i would be pissed if i were a browns fan. See Bruce Irvin...mingo is crazy small tho. I hated the pick for you guys but loved it for the Steelers because we grabbed Jones.
I think 3-5 yrs is fair to grade a draft. Its fun to grade right after the draft put the real proof is on the field. For example, you draft last yr was hailed as great. The reality is was it was probably one of the worst in the league. You draft from 2008 with Mendenhall and Sweed was again hailed as great. Doesn't look so great now. I think the Steelers get more credit than they deserve because they are the Steelers. You look at their recent drafts and they are mediocre at best which is why they are declining IMO. On paper the Steelers are to have a good draft. But there is a reason Jones dropped. I can speak to the back the Steelers drafted on how he will turn out, but in my opinion the Bengals got the best back in the draft. But I agree Bell and Jones should see significant time this year. A few years from now we can revisit this draft and see how it went.
I think 3-5 yrs is fair to grade a draft. Its fun to grade right after the draft put the real proof is on the field. For example, you draft last yr was hailed as great. The reality is was it was probably one of the worst in the league. You draft from 2008 with Mendenhall and Sweed was again hailed as great. Doesn't look so great now. I think the Steelers get more credit than they deserve because they are the Steelers. You look at their recent drafts and they are mediocre at best which is why they are declining IMO. On paper the Steelers are to have a good draft. But there is a reason Jones dropped. I can speak to the back the Steelers drafted on how he will turn out, but in my opinion the Bengals got the best back in the draft. But I agree Bell and Jones should see significant time this year. A few years from now we can revisit this draft and see how it went.
Ugh, on my kindle and didnt want to type this in the quote. The below belongs to Rorbotron.
2008 wasa train wreck in hindsight, on draft day it was great which goes to gippers point. However i fail to see how you can say their 2012 draft was one of the worst. Decastro missed time, adams played admirably and will be a starting tackle. Sean Spence had a horrific knee injury. Beachum is a top back up at all line positions. Alameda s a dumb ass but hes still on the roster for a reason. The jury is far from out on last year. Bottom line on draft day the steelers always get great value and its why they are highly regarded. it doesnt mean the picks always pan out, just like combine numbers only say so much. I felt the Browns had a bad draft this time out, especially picking 6.
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he only weighs in the 225 range and that is small for a 34 outside backer. im not sure how much more weight his frame willsupport without losing mobility.
Weight doesnt have everything to do with it...it comes down to tackling,positioning,and speed...the rest is miscelleneous..However,,,I thought the pick was a waste IMO...I wouldve rather had Jarvis and most definately Milner.
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he only weighs in the 225 range and that is small for a 34 outside backer. im not sure how much more weight his frame willsupport without losing mobility.
Weight doesnt have everything to do with it...it comes down to tackling,positioning,and speed...the rest is miscelleneous..However,,,I thought the pick was a waste IMO...I wouldve rather had Jarvis and most definately Milner.
Weight doesnt have everything to do with it...it comes down to tackling,positioning,and speed...the rest is miscelleneous..However,,,I thought the pick was a waste IMO...I wouldve rather had Jarvis and most definately Milner.
I saw Jones and Mingo both play many games in college. I do think Mingo is going to be the better pro player than Jarvis Jones, but that many not be saying a whole lot. Both guys need to bulk up. I'll tell you, though, of the three guys you mention Milliner will be the best pro. Browns should have drafted him.
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he only weighs in the 225 range and that is small for a 34 outside backer. im not sure how much more weight his frame willsupport without losing mobility.
Weight doesnt have everything to do with it...it comes down to tackling,positioning,and speed...the rest is miscelleneous..However,,,I thought the pick was a waste IMO...I wouldve rather had Jarvis and most definately Milner.
Weight doesnt have everything to do with it...it comes down to tackling,positioning,and speed...the rest is miscelleneous..However,,,I thought the pick was a waste IMO...I wouldve rather had Jarvis and most definately Milner.
He is going to need that extra strength for leverage. He wont just be able to run past every tackle in the league. i agree erwsie.
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