My Theory Of The Browns' 2013 Draft... The Fo Agrees With Us
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I spew facts/truth. You just can't handle it. Like here. We were making some very cogent points back and forth until I essentially advised you that you were causing a snooze fest amongst the patrons here your boring Steeler rant. But, you couldn't handle the truth of that....so you get all pissy.....because you still can't tell the difference between apathy and interest.
Besides....when your fist sentence was "Adams was not bad last year", then you lose all credibility...because you are contradicting what just about every other Steeler fan said about him.
If you don't have credibility amongst your own kind, then why should we give you any?
He had a couple of rough games and then settled down. He played like a rookie but had some flashes were his game displayed some real run game prowess. he wasnt "bad" and im not pissy but youve been dishing the occasional backhanded dig, like calling the steelers mediocre. if they are mediocre what are the browns?
He had a couple of rough games and then settled down. He played like a rookie but had some flashes were his game displayed some real run game prowess. he wasnt "bad" and im not pissy but youve been dishing the occasional backhanded dig, like calling the steelers mediocre. if they are mediocre what are the browns?
The Steelers were 8-8.....if not mediocre then what? Highly rated defense in yards and points, but below average in turnover margin....and well below average on offense.
Bill Parcells said it best: you are what your record is. They were mediocre.
The Browns? They sucked again. But, at least we got rid of Pat Shurmur, so there may be some hope for the future. Maybe.
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He had a couple of rough games and then settled down. He played like a rookie but had some flashes were his game displayed some real run game prowess. he wasnt "bad" and im not pissy but youve been dishing the occasional backhanded dig, like calling the steelers mediocre. if they are mediocre what are the browns?
The Steelers were 8-8.....if not mediocre then what? Highly rated defense in yards and points, but below average in turnover margin....and well below average on offense.
Bill Parcells said it best: you are what your record is. They were mediocre.
The Browns? They sucked again. But, at least we got rid of Pat Shurmur, so there may be some hope for the future. Maybe.
The Steelers were 8-8.....if not mediocre then what? Highly rated defense in yards and points, but below average in turnover margin....and well below average on offense.
Bill Parcells said it best: you are what your record is. They were mediocre.
The Browns? They sucked again. But, at least we got rid of Pat Shurmur, so there may be some hope for the future. Maybe.
your arguing with a steeler fan that swore the stools would never,ever be .500. ...and look at them now...LOL.
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i don't know about you guys in london land but when we call a fag here we call it a fag.
same things with vags. vags can be long strolled out pussies or just a couple of grey lips looking for affection.
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Yo Nickers please find where.i.said they would never be .500. They have had two strong seasons and a down season in that pattern since the early 2000's. Keep being an idiot. Dont forget your pom pom's.
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Yo Nickers please find where.i.said they would never be .500. They have had two strong seasons and a down season in that pattern since the early 2000's. Keep being an idiot. Dont forget your pom pom's.
Yo Nickers please find where.i.said they would never be .500. They have had two strong seasons and a down season in that pattern since the early 2000's. Keep being an idiot. Dont forget your pom pom's.
Look...you said it so dont reneg on it..you said the steelers would never finish .500...Own up to it and admit you were wrong..Im not gonna go searching for back logs of old,redundant posts...I know you said it..and you know you said it..Be a fucking man instead of a whiney ass entitled pipsqueek and take responsibility for your blind stupidity for once. and quit acting like your the fucking victim....
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Yo Nickers please find where.i.said they would never be .500. They have had two strong seasons and a down season in that pattern since the early 2000's. Keep being an idiot. Dont forget your pom pom's.
Yo Nickers please find where.i.said they would never be .500. They have had two strong seasons and a down season in that pattern since the early 2000's. Keep being an idiot. Dont forget your pom pom's.
If you did a losses vs. gains comparison of the Steelers like I did with the Browns where you took each unit (QB/RB/FB/TE/WR/DL/LB/DB/STs) and compared what you lost in free agency/cuts to what you gained in FA and the draft, I am not sure that there would be many positions where you could say the Steelers "upgraded".
Though, perhaps I am wrong....lets see what you come up with. Illuminate us.
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Yo Nickers please find where.i.said they would never be .500. They have had two strong seasons and a down season in that pattern since the early 2000's. Keep being an idiot. Dont forget your pom pom's.
Look...you said it so dont reneg on it..you said the steelers would never finish .500...Own up to it and admit you were wrong..Im not gonna go searching for back logs of old,redundant posts...I know you said it..and you know you said it..Be a fucking man instead of a whiney ass entitled pipsqueek and take responsibility for your blind stupidity for once. and quit acting like your the fucking victim....
Look...you said it so dont reneg on it..you said the steelers would never finish .500...Own up to it and admit you were wrong..Im not gonna go searching for back logs of old,redundant posts...I know you said it..and you know you said it..Be a fucking man instead of a whiney ass entitled pipsqueek and take responsibility for your blind stupidity for once. and quit acting like your the fucking victim....
Nickers i said under .500 not .500. They have a very clear pattern of two strong seasons and a down season and its been.that way since at least 2000. Man up and admit its convenient for you to put words in my mouth.
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Yo Nickers please find where.i.said they would never be .500. They have had two strong seasons and a down season in that pattern since the early 2000's. Keep being an idiot. Dont forget your pom pom's.
If you did a losses vs. gains comparison of the Steelers like I did with the Browns where you took each unit (QB/RB/FB/TE/WR/DL/LB/DB/STs) and compared what you lost in free agency/cuts to what you gained in FA and the draft, I am not sure that there would be many positions where you could say the Steelers "upgraded".
Though, perhaps I am wrong....lets see what you come up with. Illuminate us.
If you did a losses vs. gains comparison of the Steelers like I did with the Browns where you took each unit (QB/RB/FB/TE/WR/DL/LB/DB/STs) and compared what you lost in free agency/cuts to what you gained in FA and the draft, I am not sure that there would be many positions where you could say the Steelers "upgraded".
Though, perhaps I am wrong....lets see what you come up with. Illuminate us.
First you need to consider the players the Browns upgraded from vs the players the steelers are upgraded or replacing from.... Jason Worilds is no slouch and i expect him to prove that this season. They also drafted Jarvis Jones so those two guys for a aging Harrison. I would call that an upgrade. Bell from Mendenhall should he an uprade. The Steelers let Lewis leave because Cortez Allen is better. Yet another upgrade (3). Shamarko Thomas is a upgrade over Will Allen, thats 4. Colon is a injury nightmare, insert Foster (wash). Heath Miller is injured insert spaeth and paulsen. Id rather have miller.so.this is a downgrade. Mike Wallace is being replaced by Sanders. Ive preferred sanders for a while.especially.since wallace.said he.was.losing focus because.he wasnt.getting the ball enough. Insert sanders and.wheaton. i dont believe im missing anyone else. Looks like to me the steelers reloaded.just fine.
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Well, lets just see how some neutral observors see this......Go to the Gains/Losses Thread where I list the Steelers.
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vagi and all other steeler queefs that troll on this browns board can all tell you i called for their demise 2 years ago. i think i'm right on schedule as we'll have a better record than they this year.
cinci 1
browns 2
ravens 3
shittburg 4
read it and weep (again) beotch.
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If you did a losses vs. gains comparison of the Steelers like I did with the Browns where you took each unit (QB/RB/FB/TE/WR/DL/LB/DB/STs) and compared what you lost in free agency/cuts to what you gained in FA and the draft, I am not sure that there would be many positions where you could say the Steelers "upgraded".
Though, perhaps I am wrong....lets see what you come up with. Illuminate us.
First you need to consider the players the Browns upgraded from vs the players the steelers are upgraded or replacing from.... Jason Worilds is no slouch and i expect him to prove that this season. They also drafted Jarvis Jones so those two guys for a aging Harrison. I would call that an upgrade. Bell from Mendenhall should he an uprade. The Steelers let Lewis leave because Cortez Allen is better. Yet another upgrade (3). Shamarko Thomas is a upgrade over Will Allen, thats 4. Colon is a injury nightmare, insert Foster (wash). Heath Miller is injured insert spaeth and paulsen. Id rather have miller.so.this is a downgrade. Mike Wallace is being replaced by Sanders. Ive preferred sanders for a while.especially.since wallace.said he.was.losing focus because.he wasnt.getting the ball enough. Insert sanders and.wheaton. i dont believe im missing anyone else. Looks like to me the steelers reloaded.just fine.
sound pretty confident ready to bet now fagboy?First you need to consider the players the Browns upgraded from vs the players the steelers are upgraded or replacing from.... Jason Worilds is no slouch and i expect him to prove that this season. They also drafted Jarvis Jones so those two guys for a aging Harrison. I would call that an upgrade. Bell from Mendenhall should he an uprade. The Steelers let Lewis leave because Cortez Allen is better. Yet another upgrade (3). Shamarko Thomas is a upgrade over Will Allen, thats 4. Colon is a injury nightmare, insert Foster (wash). Heath Miller is injured insert spaeth and paulsen. Id rather have miller.so.this is a downgrade. Mike Wallace is being replaced by Sanders. Ive preferred sanders for a while.especially.since wallace.said he.was.losing focus because.he wasnt.getting the ball enough. Insert sanders and.wheaton. i dont believe im missing anyone else. Looks like to me the steelers reloaded.just fine.
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sound pretty confident ready to bet now fagboy?First you need to consider the players the Browns upgraded from vs the players the steelers are upgraded or replacing from.... Jason Worilds is no slouch and i expect him to prove that this season. They also drafted Jarvis Jones so those two guys for a aging Harrison. I would call that an upgrade. Bell from Mendenhall should he an uprade. The Steelers let Lewis leave because Cortez Allen is better. Yet another upgrade (3). Shamarko Thomas is a upgrade over Will Allen, thats 4. Colon is a injury nightmare, insert Foster (wash). Heath Miller is injured insert spaeth and paulsen. Id rather have miller.so.this is a downgrade. Mike Wallace is being replaced by Sanders. Ive preferred sanders for a while.especially.since wallace.said he.was.losing focus because.he wasnt.getting the ball enough. Insert sanders and.wheaton. i dont believe im missing anyone else. Looks like to me the steelers reloaded.just fine.
sound pretty confident ready to bet now fagboy?
First and foremost was I name calling somewhere in regards to you? I get warnings from the mods for name calling but you mongos do it all the time. It's a fantastic double standard. As far as the bet is concerned what were we betting again? Just that the Steelers would have a better record than the Browns? If so yes I will bet. What are we betting?
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sound pretty confident ready to bet now fagboy?
First and foremost was I name calling somewhere in regards to you? I get warnings from the mods for name calling but you mongos do it all the time. It's a fantastic double standard. As far as the bet is concerned what were we betting again? Just that the Steelers would have a better record than the Browns? If so yes I will bet. What are we betting?
According to you a bad season is not making the playoffs. How far are they going to make it this year?First and foremost was I name calling somewhere in regards to you? I get warnings from the mods for name calling but you mongos do it all the time. It's a fantastic double standard. As far as the bet is concerned what were we betting again? Just that the Steelers would have a better record than the Browns? If so yes I will bet. What are we betting?
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Simply put, just as many of us concluded through the 2012 season:
- the Offense was not as bad as we feared;
- the Defense was not as good as we hoped; and
- the talent on both sides of the ball was there, but the coaching staff was a major... ahem... "hindrance".
I think the FO (and the new staff) agree with us...
Offensively Wheezy remains the big question mark, but he showed enough progress to warrant at least one more season. Otherwise the questions were third WR (maybe Bess fills the bill?) and OL depth (hello 7th round OL Gilkey... maybe).
Defensively the secondary was our major source of frustration (howdy Messrs McFadden and Slaughter). Additionally DE/LB questions arose with the impending change back to the 3-4 (wazzup Messrs Kruger, Mingo and Bryant).
Otherwise it looks to me like the new regime thinks they can coach the 2012 roster up, and into, the new schemes, but until they try they just will not know what it is they really have. So rather than make uncertain moves in a marginal draft, they made minimal moves and stockpiled 2014 picks.
So 2013 may, once again, be a bumpy disappointment. If it is, then we are set for a critical 2014 draft, but if it is not, then we are set for a 2014 draft that just may move our Browns back to the relevance we all so desperately want.
Frankly, I'm stunned at all the positive comments here about the draft.
I've read and heard a lot of lukewarm assessment about Leon McFadden, who is not all that fast and is more of a slot receiver cover guy, vs. the outside cover guy he'll be for the Browns. If the guy is so good, why wasn't he on the radar of the experts? CBs like Poser and Webb, who were even available in round 4, are considered better than McFadden.
At least McFadden isn't hurt. I can't imagine the 6th round safety Slaughter being able to go on all cylinders in camp or at the start of the season, even though he says he'll be fine. If you read some of the draft expert analysis and grading of the Browns, several had negative things to offer about Slaughter, who a lot of people said wouldn't even be drafted. Even Slaughter himself was surprised he was drafted!
And what happens if McFadden gets hurt? Owens and Barnes to cover the opponent's #2 receiver?! Are you kidding me? If Gipson gets hurt and Slaughter can't play, then we put in Hagge?!
Browns should have used those 4th and 5th round picks to add another DB like Webb or Poser and add a quality safety like Rambo. It's bizarre to me that the Browns have an overabundance of quality depth in the front seven yet have almost nothing of quality in the secondary. I'm sorry. This is akin to building up your military force with far more tanks than you need but allocating almost no resources to providing air cover for your force. When battle comes, the opponents' QB and receivers will be the air force that goes over top of the Cleveland Browns tanks and dominates the air, beats the heck of your army and bases, and wins going away. It's insane to go in to a season with such a thin secondary! Same thing happened last year and we saw the result. Disaster.
The other thing that bothers me is the "wait till next year" attitude AGAIN. I thought we had enough of that with "take the money and run" Holmgrem. The fans want the team to do all it can to win NOW, not in 2014. Those draft picks should have been used NOW. It's a slam, too, against all the loyal season ticket holders who expend thousands of dollars each year and now know that the product they see on the field in 2013 won't be good enough again due to a weak secondary.
You didn't see all the other teams collecting draft picks for 2014, did you? They all knew that this current crop of collegians is a deep group of quality athletes, and they went after it. Pittsburgh and Cincy had far better drafts than the Browns and the Ravens have replaced all they lost from a world championship season.
I still don't understand why they didn't aggressively go out and try and get CB and S at the start of free agency. That was a huge strategic mistake. If they had filled that need, they could have drafted a guy like Tavon Austin who would have accelerated the offense to a new level. But , you know, we never get big thinking from Browns executives. They always think small. And we see the result. Yes, it is a factory of sadness ... and ineptitude.
Skeptical2013 said:
Frankly, I'm stunned at all the positive comments here about the draft.
I've read and heard a lot of lukewarm assessment about Leon McFadden, who is not all that fast and is more of a slot receiver cover guy, vs. the outside cover guy he'll be for the Browns. If the guy is so good, why wasn't he on the radar of the experts? CBs like Poser and Webb, who were even available in round 4, are considered better than McFadden.
At least McFadden isn't hurt. I can't imagine the 6th round safety Slaughter being able to go on all cylinders in camp or at the start of the season, even though he says he'll be fine. If you read some of the draft expert analysis and grading of the Browns, several had negative things to offer about Slaughter, who a lot of people said wouldn't even be drafted. Even Slaughter himself was surprised he was drafted!
And what happens if McFadden gets hurt? Owens and Barnes to cover the opponent's #2 receiver?! Are you kidding me? If Gipson gets hurt and Slaughter can't play, then we put in Hagge?!
Browns should have used those 4th and 5th round picks to add another DB like Webb or Poser and add a quality safety like Rambo. It's bizarre to me that the Browns have an overabundance of quality depth in the front seven yet have almost nothing of quality in the secondary. I'm sorry. This is akin to building up your military force with far more tanks than you need but allocating almost no resources to providing air cover for your force. When battle comes, the opponents' QB and receivers will be the air force that goes over top of the Cleveland Browns tanks and dominates the air, beats the heck of your army and bases, and wins going away. It's insane to go in to a season with such a thin secondary! Same thing happened last year and we saw the result. Disaster.
The other thing that bothers me is the "wait till next year" attitude AGAIN. I thought we had enough of that with "take the money and run" Holmgrem. The fans want the team to do all it can to win NOW, not in 2014. Those draft picks should have been used NOW. It's a slam, too, against all the loyal season ticket holders who expend thousands of dollars each year and now know that the product they see on the field in 2013 won't be good enough again due to a weak secondary.
You didn't see all the other teams collecting draft picks for 2014, did you? They all knew that this current crop of collegians is a deep group of quality athletes, and they went after it. Pittsburgh and Cincy had far better drafts than the Browns and the Ravens have replaced all they lost from a world championship season.
I still don't understand why they didn't aggressively go out and try and get CB and S at the start of free agency. That was a huge strategic mistake. If they had filled that need, they could have drafted a guy like Tavon Austin who would have accelerated the offense to a new level. But , you know, we never get big thinking from Browns executives. They always think small. And we see the result. Yes, it is a factory of sadness ... and ineptitude.
How can you say that they had better draft picks then us when nobody even stepped onto the field yet? For all we know everyone they picked could be busts. Wait until midway through the season then let us know what you think. It will make more sense.
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sound pretty confident ready to bet now fagboy?
First and foremost was I name calling somewhere in regards to you? I get warnings from the mods for name calling but you mongos do it all the time. It's a fantastic double standard. As far as the bet is concerned what were we betting again? Just that the Steelers would have a better record than the Browns? If so yes I will bet. What are we betting?
If so yes I will bet. What are we betting?
so i a m betting a six pack. your choice. could be cans of pabst could be bottles of hoegarten.
you in?
AND THE BET IS THE BROWNS HAVE A BETTER REOCRD THAN THE STEELERS THIS YEAR. understandable enough?
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what's up mik your muscling in on my gig here, LOLIf so yes I will bet. What are we betting?
so i a m betting a six pack. your choice. could be cans of pabst could be bottles of hoegarten.
you in?
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what's up mik your muscling in on my gig here, LOL
hopefully the kid has more than $10 he can throw down. guess he'll have to work another shift at pizza hut to cover the hoegarten though.
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what's up mik your muscling in on my gig here, LOL
hopefully the kid has more than $10 he can throw down. guess he'll have to work another shift at pizza hut to cover the hoegarten though.
hopefully the kid has more than $10 he can throw down. guess he'll have to work another shift at pizza hut to cover the hoegarten though.
hopefully the kid has more than $10 he can throw down. guess he'll have to work another shift at pizza hut to cover the hoegarten though.
Mik I remember a time when we were pretty civil. I make a nice living and I'm happy with my lot in life. It's also Hoegaarden and I'm a bit of a beer snob so your cute dig got a chuckle out of me. I spent 22 dollars on a make my own six pack for the draft. I think I can cover a 9 dollar six of Hoegaarden.
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hopefully the kid has more than $10 he can throw down. guess he'll have to work another shift at pizza hut to cover the hoegarten though.
hopefully the kid has more than $10 he can throw down. guess he'll have to work another shift at pizza hut to cover the hoegarten though.
Mik I remember a time when we were pretty civil. I make a nice living and I'm happy with my lot in life. It's also Hoegaarden and I'm a bit of a beer snob so your cute dig got a chuckle out of me. I spent 22 dollars on a make my own six pack for the draft. I think I can cover a 9 dollar six of Hoegaarden.
Mik I remember a time when we were pretty civil. I make a nice living and I'm happy with my lot in life. It's also Hoegaarden and I'm a bit of a beer snob so your cute dig got a chuckle out of me. I spent 22 dollars on a make my own six pack for the draft. I think I can cover a 9 dollar six of Hoegaarden.
My son is a molecular biology major at one of the most prestigious liberal arts colleges in America, and one of his classes this semester (his last as he graduates a week from Saturday) is "Beer lab". They take a highly sophisticated, scientific approach to the brewery craft. Interesting to hear him talk about it.
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Mik I remember a time when we were pretty civil. I make a nice living and I'm happy with my lot in life. It's also Hoegaarden and I'm a bit of a beer snob so your cute dig got a chuckle out of me. I spent 22 dollars on a make my own six pack for the draft. I think I can cover a 9 dollar six of Hoegaarden.
My son is a molecular biology major at one of the most prestigious liberal arts colleges in America, and one of his classes this semester (his last as he graduates a week from Saturday) is "Beer lab". They take a highly sophisticated, scientific approach to the brewery craft. Interesting to hear him talk about it.
My son is a molecular biology major at one of the most prestigious liberal arts colleges in America, and one of his classes this semester (his last as he graduates a week from Saturday) is "Beer lab". They take a highly sophisticated, scientific approach to the brewery craft. Interesting to hear him talk about i
*gasp* "Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow"
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