John Gruden fired by the Bucs
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Gruden manages to field good defenses, but if you're looking at the BIG picture...what has he done? He got the Raiders to the verge but couldn't win it all and he won the Super Bowl with Dungy's pre-built Buccaneers and that was 6 years ago. The NFL is VERY much a "what have you done for me lately" league.
Doug
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Speculation is Shanahan will end up there..or big d.
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Gruden manages to field good defenses, but if you're looking at the BIG picture...what has he done? He got the Raiders to the verge but couldn't win it all and he won the Super Bowl with Dungy's pre-built Buccaneers and that was 6 years ago. The NFL is VERY much a "what have you done for me lately" league.
Doug
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@inspecta said:
Yeah I get what you guys are saying, and it's kinda cliche' but I love his fire on the sidelines.Thats the one thing I really didn't like about Mangini, we got another emotionless coach on Sunday's, and I really think the cats on this team need a fire lit under their asses.
Amen
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This was just reported by Adam Schefter on NFL Network.
Shanahan and Gruden...two guys I'd give Lerner's left nut to coach the Browns...
-Al
This was just reported by Adam Schefter on NFL Network.
Shanahan and Gruden...two guys I'd give Lerner's left nut to coach the Browns...
-Al
Gruden never was worth a shiet just a product of players performing ........he was always just another overhyped stunnead.....who happened to be in the right place once
and neither is very good Geech so keep the left nut............my my disappointing on your part
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Speculation is Shanahan will end up there..or big d.
Speculation is Shanahan will end up there..or big d.
Sounds right to me but still thats hard to believe they let gruden go...talk about a big mistake..
Im still betting some on this board that hate mangini now will be drinking his mayonaise in 2 years..
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@inspecta said:
Yeah I get what you guys are saying, and it's kinda cliche' but I love his fire on the sidelines.Thats the one thing I really didn't like about Mangini, we got another emotionless coach on Sunday's, and I really think the cats on this team need a fire lit under their asses.
I've heard that Mangini is a very different locker room presence, and he runs tough training camps. Neither qualities RAC can claim.
Gruden is a Cleveland local guy isn't he? That's one for him. I think Mangini 'gets it', though (witness his sending dinner to the media).
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@inspecta said:
Yeah I get what you guys are saying, and it's kinda cliche' but I love his fire on the sidelines.Thats the one thing I really didn't like about Mangini, we got another emotionless coach on Sunday's, and I really think the cats on this team need a fire lit under their asses.
I've heard that Mangini is a very different locker room presence, and he runs tough training camps. Neither qualities RAC can claim.
Gruden is a Cleveland local guy isn't he? That's one for him. I think Mangini 'gets it', though (witness his sending dinner to the media).
I've heard that Mangini is a very different locker room presence, and he runs tough training camps. Neither qualities RAC can claim.
Gruden is a Cleveland local guy isn't he? That's one for him. I think Mangini 'gets it', though (witness his sending dinner to the media).
Gruden was born in my hometown (Sandusky), but left at an early age.
DWJ
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Gruden manages to field good defenses, but if you're looking at the BIG picture...what has he done? He got the Raiders to the verge but couldn't win it all and he won the Super Bowl with Dungy's pre-built Buccaneers and that was 6 years ago. The NFL is VERY much a "what have you done for me lately" league.
Doug
Gruden manages to field good defenses, but if you're looking at the BIG picture...what has he done? He got the Raiders to the verge but couldn't win it all and he won the Super Bowl with Dungy's pre-built Buccaneers and that was 6 years ago. The NFL is VERY much a "what have you done for me lately" league.
Doug
I don't buy the whole "he won with Dungy's players, so what" thing. While it's true that a foundation was in place, he did what Dungy wasn't able to do. His BIG picture includes five division championships in twelve years as a head coach and one Super Bowl ring. Parse the record any way you like, but that's a pretty a-okay BIG picture.
Much of the fan base and media down here don't care for the guy. He treated Alstott and Lynch poorly and that's pretty much enough to get you on the bad side of any Buc fan. I don't think he's a particularly likable man and I'm not at all sorry that he's not going to be our next coach, but Gruden has had a damn successful career.
Beanpot
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Speculation is Shanahan will end up there..or big d.
Speculation is Shanahan will end up there..or big d.
From ESPN....Shanahan said the Bucs have not contacted him and he has never spoken to them.
It's believed that Raheem Morris is going to be the Bucs next HC.
I think it's B.S. that TB waited so long to fire Gruden. Should've done it earlier to give him an opportunity to get another job if he so desires,
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Well with Monte Kiffin gone, Their defense is goona suck and TB have always been an unpredictable team ! I guess DAllas will go for Jon GRuden !
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Well with Monte Kiffin gone, Their defense is goona suck and TB have always been an unpredictable team ! I guess DAllas will go for Jon GRuden !
Well with Monte Kiffin gone, Their defense is goona suck and TB have always been an unpredictable team ! I guess DAllas will go for Jon GRuden !
You might be right. It sounds like a logical place for him to be, but... Gruden and Jerry Jones....I have a hard time picturing that.
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Man, the Bucs screwed Gruden by waiting so long to fire him. The Browns not only already filled the HC job, but just finalized the Coordinator jobs ... now with Shannahan coming back into the picture to interview, they really limited Grudens opportunities to get in with another franchise by next season.
I like Chucky ... I could see him here. Our timing is always messed up ... I am on record of advising Lerner to wait until the Super Bowl before selecting a coach.
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Gruden was on the hot seat after poor redzone offense this season so its not that surprising. Im very surprised they let Bruce Allen go though, can't think of many bad free agent aquisitions on his part and he has them around $46 mill under cap for next year...
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I don't know if Gruden lost his motivation or if he's still the same guy, but IMO - it's sort of class-lacking for a team to fire their coach a couple weeks after their last game. If you're going to fire a guy, do it so they can put themselves on the market.
This guy could have been a candidate for yinz possibly and that window's obviously closed. I'm not sure what kind of coin he would command though.
Regards
.... an'at
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Gruden has been an underachiever since he got lucky five years ago..........he probably was skating thin and some recent interchanges with the owner........pushed them over the top..........Tampa loses nothing Gruden never has been more than ordinary except for the chuckie face
Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes
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