Browns To Win Conference Next Year?
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Anyone who thinks we won't win at least 8 games next year(Given all key players can stay healthy) is probably just stuck in the past.
I've felt "excited" before every season, and in the past that excitement caused me and others to have wishful thinking. By the way, I really think we would have been 8-8 last year if Haden didn't get suspended.
In the past(last year) we had WHO coaching WHICH inexperienced players in WHAT offense?
Now its safe to say we got some really coaches paired with solid,young, physically gifted players on all the skill positions on offense: WR1, WR2, WR3, RB, TE with Weeden Gunslinging throwing down the field.
No more BS offense to watch.
Trent is a darkhorse per nfl.com to lead the league in rushing, as many of us recognized his rib injury to effect his performance.
And here is an example of why our defense will be awesome.
Ryan Clark:
"When Tom Brady gets pressure and when you're man-to-man and bumping those guys and making it hard for him to throw, he sees ghosts," Clark said Monday, via Comcast SportsNet New England. "Even when guys aren't around him, even when he's not about to be sacked, when his clock goes off in his head that the ball should be out, we'll see him duck, we'll see him flinch. When you get Tom Brady doing that, the whole New England Patriots mystique goes away."
We all know Brady has had the best O-Line, but if Mingo, Kruger, Sheard, Desmond, Rubin, and Phil are all out there AT THE SAME TIME?
If everyone is healthy, 11-5.
Anyone who thinks we won't win at least 8 games next year(Given all key players can stay healthy) is probably just stuck in the past.
I've felt "excited" before every season, and in the past that excitement caused me and others to have wishful thinking. By the way, I really think we would have been 8-8 last year if Haden didn't get suspended.
In the past(last year) we had WHO coaching WHICH inexperienced players in WHAT offense?
Now its safe to say we got some really coaches paired with solid,young, physically gifted players on all the skill positions on offense: WR1, WR2, WR3, RB, TE with Weeden Gunslinging throwing down the field.
No more BS offense to watch.
Trent is a darkhorse per nfl.com to lead the league in rushing, as many of us recognized his rib injury to effect his performance.
And here is an example of why our defense will be awesome.
Ryan Clark:
"When Tom Brady gets pressure and when you're man-to-man and bumping those guys and making it hard for him to throw, he sees ghosts," Clark said Monday, via Comcast SportsNet New England. "Even when guys aren't around him, even when he's not about to be sacked, when his clock goes off in his head that the ball should be out, we'll see him duck, we'll see him flinch. When you get Tom Brady doing that, the whole New England Patriots mystique goes away."
We all know Brady has had the best O-Line, but if Mingo, Kruger, Sheard, Desmond, Rubin, and Phil are all out there AT THE SAME TIME?
If everyone is healthy, 11-5.
You didn't even mention D'Qwell Jackson; one of the most under-rated linebackers in the game... He's a true Pro.
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Anyone who thinks we won't win at least 8 games next year(Given all key players can stay healthy) is probably just stuck in the past.
I've felt "excited" before every season, and in the past that excitement caused me and others to have wishful thinking. By the way, I really think we would have been 8-8 last year if Haden didn't get suspended.
In the past(last year) we had WHO coaching WHICH inexperienced players in WHAT offense?
Now its safe to say we got some really coaches paired with solid,young, physically gifted players on all the skill positions on offense: WR1, WR2, WR3, RB, TE with Weeden Gunslinging throwing down the field.
No more BS offense to watch.
Trent is a darkhorse per nfl.com to lead the league in rushing, as many of us recognized his rib injury to effect his performance.
And here is an example of why our defense will be awesome.
Ryan Clark:
"When Tom Brady gets pressure and when you're man-to-man and bumping those guys and making it hard for him to throw, he sees ghosts," Clark said Monday, via Comcast SportsNet New England. "Even when guys aren't around him, even when he's not about to be sacked, when his clock goes off in his head that the ball should be out, we'll see him duck, we'll see him flinch. When you get Tom Brady doing that, the whole New England Patriots mystique goes away."
We all know Brady has had the best O-Line, but if Mingo, Kruger, Sheard, Desmond, Rubin, and Phil are all out there AT THE SAME TIME?
If everyone is healthy, 11-5.
Entirely too optimistic. Rob Chudzinski is in his first year as HC. Ever. Not just in the NFL, but anywhere.
Mingo is still an unproven, undersized college DE looking to make the transition to OLB. He is just as good as a blocking dummy at this point because, until now, he's done nothing. Sheard is trying to transition from DE to OLB as well. Kruger is the only one of the three that has experience as an NFL OLB, and there are question marks about whether or not he's even an every down backer. Rubin and Phil are solid linemen, but they aren't superstars.
When all is said and done, Desmond Bryant is our most proven lineman and biggest "star" in the front 7. He's shown the ability to rush the passer on a defense that was barely better than ours and lacked playmakers just as we did.
Add to that we will have a rookie third round pick starting at CB and, most likely, a rookie FS as well. That's two or three rookies, one player who's never played a snap at OLB before and another player who's only started 5 games in his career all starting on defense. And we still don't know who our other MLB is going to be.
Furthermore, our offensive coordinator was the HC of a team that finished 31st in Total Offense last season.
So, once again, we have WHO coaching WHICH inexperienced players in WHAT offense (mostly defense)?
Let me be clear...I like Chud. I like Turner. I like Horton. I think we have a very good coaching staff for this upcoming season. I think our offensive scheme fits our players well. I think our defensive scheme is fantastic.
But I am realistic. 8-8 would be a great season for us.
I can see us splitting with Cinci and Pittsburgh and dropping both games to Baltimore. We will probably lose to the Vikings. We will lose to the Packers. We will lose to the Chiefs. We will lose to the Patriots. We will probably lose to the Lions. It seems likely that we will lose to the Dolphins, as well, seeing as we haven't won a season opener in 5 seasons.
6-10. Maybe 7-9. 8-8 would be a great season.
Entirely too optimistic. Rob Chudzinski is in his first year as HC. Ever. Not just in the NFL, but anywhere.
Mingo is still an unproven, undersized college DE looking to make the transition to OLB. He is just as good as a blocking dummy at this point because, until now, he's done nothing. Sheard is trying to transition from DE to OLB as well. Kruger is the only one of the three that has experience as an NFL OLB, and there are question marks about whether or not he's even an every down backer. Rubin and Phil are solid linemen, but they aren't superstars.
When all is said and done, Desmond Bryant is our most proven lineman and biggest "star" in the front 7. He's shown the ability to rush the passer on a defense that was barely better than ours and lacked playmakers just as we did.
Add to that we will have a rookie third round pick starting at CB and, most likely, a rookie FS as well. That's two or three rookies, one player who's never played a snap at OLB before and another player who's only started 5 games in his career all starting on defense. And we still don't know who our other MLB is going to be.
Furthermore, our offensive coordinator was the HC of a team that finished 31st in Total Offense last season.
So, once again, we have WHO coaching WHICH inexperienced players in WHAT offense (mostly defense)?
Let me be clear...I like Chud. I like Turner. I like Horton. I think we have a very good coaching staff for this upcoming season. I think our offensive scheme fits our players well. I think our defensive scheme is fantastic.
But I am realistic. 8-8 would be a great season for us.
I can see us splitting with Cinci and Pittsburgh and dropping both games to Baltimore. We will probably lose to the Vikings. We will lose to the Packers. We will lose to the Chiefs. We will lose to the Patriots. We will probably lose to the Lions. It seems likely that we will lose to the Dolphins, as well, seeing as we haven't won a season opener in 5 seasons.
6-10. Maybe 7-9. 8-8 would be a great season.
Like I said, we could've been 8-8 last year with a clearly unqualified coach in Shurmur. (Haden's injury had a big impact).
Rubin and Taylor's strength and presence are getting league wide respect nowadays, and that was when they were both playing NT, at different times, now they're out there at the same time pushing the O-Line back.
In this new scheme, those stout D-Lineman will be able to create GREAT push and we will certainly be attacking the QB with Mingo(explosive) and Kruger(strong and explosive).
Think about Sheard's little success, what 8 sacks? With just an OKAY scheme while being worked hard.
Mingo and Kruger are respectively more physically gifted then Sheard, who is a very smart player. This will be awesome to watch when he is subbed in.
Now with those 2 guys as starters and Sheard rotating in when the time is right? And even Groves too, only to a lesser extent then Sheard.
Once again, lets really hope these guys can stay healthy. But if thats the case, 11-5.
It's about time we start to realize whats being put together right in front of us.
The Sunday suffering will soon be over people, and as hard as it is for a Cleveland fan to believe anymore, have some faith.
If this current roster remained relatively healthy and went 8-8 I would be disgusted. This is a GOOD team we have now.
And yes PoeticG, D'Qwell is great, but I didn't include him because I was emphasizing the new pass rushers and how effective they will be.
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Entirely too optimistic. Rob Chudzinski is in his first year as HC. Ever. Not just in the NFL, but anywhere.
Mingo is still an unproven, undersized college DE looking to make the transition to OLB. He is just as good as a blocking dummy at this point because, until now, he's done nothing. Sheard is trying to transition from DE to OLB as well. Kruger is the only one of the three that has experience as an NFL OLB, and there are question marks about whether or not he's even an every down backer. Rubin and Phil are solid linemen, but they aren't superstars.
When all is said and done, Desmond Bryant is our most proven lineman and biggest "star" in the front 7. He's shown the ability to rush the passer on a defense that was barely better than ours and lacked playmakers just as we did.
Add to that we will have a rookie third round pick starting at CB and, most likely, a rookie FS as well. That's two or three rookies, one player who's never played a snap at OLB before and another player who's only started 5 games in his career all starting on defense. And we still don't know who our other MLB is going to be.
Furthermore, our offensive coordinator was the HC of a team that finished 31st in Total Offense last season.
So, once again, we have WHO coaching WHICH inexperienced players in WHAT offense (mostly defense)?
Let me be clear...I like Chud. I like Turner. I like Horton. I think we have a very good coaching staff for this upcoming season. I think our offensive scheme fits our players well. I think our defensive scheme is fantastic.
But I am realistic. 8-8 would be a great season for us.
I can see us splitting with Cinci and Pittsburgh and dropping both games to Baltimore. We will probably lose to the Vikings. We will lose to the Packers. We will lose to the Chiefs. We will lose to the Patriots. We will probably lose to the Lions. It seems likely that we will lose to the Dolphins, as well, seeing as we haven't won a season opener in 5 seasons.
6-10. Maybe 7-9. 8-8 would be a great season.
Like I said, we could've been 8-8 last year with a clearly unqualified coach in Shurmur. (Haden's injury had a big impact).
Rubin and Taylor's strength and presence are getting league wide respect nowadays, and that was when they were both playing NT, at different times, now they're out there at the same time pushing the O-Line back.
In this new scheme, those stout D-Lineman will be able to create GREAT push and we will certainly be attacking the QB with Mingo(explosive) and Kruger(strong and explosive).
Think about Sheard's little success, what 8 sacks? With just an OKAY scheme while being worked hard.
Mingo and Kruger are respectively more physically gifted then Sheard, who is a very smart player. This will be awesome to watch when he is subbed in.
Now with those 2 guys as starters and Sheard rotating in when the time is right? And even Groves too, only to a lesser extent then Sheard.
Once again, lets really hope these guys can stay healthy. But if thats the case, 11-5.
It's about time we start to realize whats being put together right in front of us.
The Sunday suffering will soon be over people, and as hard as it is for a Cleveland fan to believe anymore, have some faith.
If this current roster remained relatively healthy and went 8-8 I would be disgusted. This is a GOOD team we have now.
And yes PoeticG, D'Qwell is great, but I didn't include him because I was emphasizing the new pass rushers and how effective they will be.
Like I said, we could've been 8-8 last year with a clearly unqualified coach in Shurmur. (Haden's injury had a big impact).
Rubin and Taylor's strength and presence are getting league wide respect nowadays, and that was when they were both playing NT, at different times, now they're out there at the same time pushing the O-Line back.
In this new scheme, those stout D-Lineman will be able to create GREAT push and we will certainly be attacking the QB with Mingo(explosive) and Kruger(strong and explosive).
Think about Sheard's little success, what 8 sacks? With just an OKAY scheme while being worked hard.
Mingo and Kruger are respectively more physically gifted then Sheard, who is a very smart player. This will be awesome to watch when he is subbed in.
Now with those 2 guys as starters and Sheard rotating in when the time is right? And even Groves too, only to a lesser extent then Sheard.
Once again, lets really hope these guys can stay healthy. But if thats the case, 11-5.
It's about time we start to realize whats being put together right in front of us.
The Sunday suffering will soon be over people, and as hard as it is for a Cleveland fan to believe anymore, have some faith.
If this current roster remained relatively healthy and went 8-8 I would be disgusted. This is a GOOD team we have now.
And yes PoeticG, D'Qwell is great, but I didn't include him because I was emphasizing the new pass rushers and how effective they will be.
i love your optimism and agree with 90% of your post.
but you can't fix ugly and you can't fix dumb. to blame our past 5 years of shit seasons solely on coaching (cuz i think mangini was a very good coach) IMO isn't the right spot to place the specific blame.
hell yeah shurmur sucked and blame that on holmgren. but shurmur didn't overthrow the receivers every other play or not block the DL and push open open a hole for TR to get through.
coaches gotta coach. players gotta play, meaning execute what you have been taught.
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Anyone who thinks we won't win at least 8 games next year(Given all key players can stay healthy) is probably just stuck in the past.
I've felt "excited" before every season, and in the past that excitement caused me and others to have wishful thinking. By the way, I really think we would have been 8-8 last year if Haden didn't get suspended.
In the past(last year) we had WHO coaching WHICH inexperienced players in WHAT offense?
Now its safe to say we got some really coaches paired with solid,young, physically gifted players on all the skill positions on offense: WR1, WR2, WR3, RB, TE with Weeden Gunslinging throwing down the field.
No more BS offense to watch.
Trent is a darkhorse per nfl.com to lead the league in rushing, as many of us recognized his rib injury to effect his performance.
And here is an example of why our defense will be awesome.
Ryan Clark:
"When Tom Brady gets pressure and when you're man-to-man and bumping those guys and making it hard for him to throw, he sees ghosts," Clark said Monday, via Comcast SportsNet New England. "Even when guys aren't around him, even when he's not about to be sacked, when his clock goes off in his head that the ball should be out, we'll see him duck, we'll see him flinch. When you get Tom Brady doing that, the whole New England Patriots mystique goes away."
We all know Brady has had the best O-Line, but if Mingo, Kruger, Sheard, Desmond, Rubin, and Phil are all out there AT THE SAME TIME?
If everyone is healthy, 11-5.
Entirely too optimistic. Rob Chudzinski is in his first year as HC. Ever. Not just in the NFL, but anywhere.
Mingo is still an unproven, undersized college DE looking to make the transition to OLB. He is just as good as a blocking dummy at this point because, until now, he's done nothing. Sheard is trying to transition from DE to OLB as well. Kruger is the only one of the three that has experience as an NFL OLB, and there are question marks about whether or not he's even an every down backer. Rubin and Phil are solid linemen, but they aren't superstars.
When all is said and done, Desmond Bryant is our most proven lineman and biggest "star" in the front 7. He's shown the ability to rush the passer on a defense that was barely better than ours and lacked playmakers just as we did.
Add to that we will have a rookie third round pick starting at CB and, most likely, a rookie FS as well. That's two or three rookies, one player who's never played a snap at OLB before and another player who's only started 5 games in his career all starting on defense. And we still don't know who our other MLB is going to be.
Furthermore, our offensive coordinator was the HC of a team that finished 31st in Total Offense last season.
So, once again, we have WHO coaching WHICH inexperienced players in WHAT offense (mostly defense)?
Let me be clear...I like Chud. I like Turner. I like Horton. I think we have a very good coaching staff for this upcoming season. I think our offensive scheme fits our players well. I think our defensive scheme is fantastic.
But I am realistic. 8-8 would be a great season for us.
I can see us splitting with Cinci and Pittsburgh and dropping both games to Baltimore. We will probably lose to the Vikings. We will lose to the Packers. We will lose to the Chiefs. We will lose to the Patriots. We will probably lose to the Lions. It seems likely that we will lose to the Dolphins, as well, seeing as we haven't won a season opener in 5 seasons.
6-10. Maybe 7-9. 8-8 would be a great season.
Entirely too optimistic. Rob Chudzinski is in his first year as HC. Ever. Not just in the NFL, but anywhere.
Mingo is still an unproven, undersized college DE looking to make the transition to OLB. He is just as good as a blocking dummy at this point because, until now, he's done nothing. Sheard is trying to transition from DE to OLB as well. Kruger is the only one of the three that has experience as an NFL OLB, and there are question marks about whether or not he's even an every down backer. Rubin and Phil are solid linemen, but they aren't superstars.
When all is said and done, Desmond Bryant is our most proven lineman and biggest "star" in the front 7. He's shown the ability to rush the passer on a defense that was barely better than ours and lacked playmakers just as we did.
Add to that we will have a rookie third round pick starting at CB and, most likely, a rookie FS as well. That's two or three rookies, one player who's never played a snap at OLB before and another player who's only started 5 games in his career all starting on defense. And we still don't know who our other MLB is going to be.
Furthermore, our offensive coordinator was the HC of a team that finished 31st in Total Offense last season.
So, once again, we have WHO coaching WHICH inexperienced players in WHAT offense (mostly defense)?
Let me be clear...I like Chud. I like Turner. I like Horton. I think we have a very good coaching staff for this upcoming season. I think our offensive scheme fits our players well. I think our defensive scheme is fantastic.
But I am realistic. 8-8 would be a great season for us.
I can see us splitting with Cinci and Pittsburgh and dropping both games to Baltimore. We will probably lose to the Vikings. We will lose to the Packers. We will lose to the Chiefs. We will lose to the Patriots. We will probably lose to the Lions. It seems likely that we will lose to the Dolphins, as well, seeing as we haven't won a season opener in 5 seasons.
6-10. Maybe 7-9. 8-8 would be a great season.
It's beyond incredible that this "brain fart" called a Browns management group couldn't figure out a way to add quality depth in the secondary and get a real tight end so the team could at least somewhat compete in 2013. I say 5-11 and fans will cry as one QB after another flings pass after pass to open receivers over that vaunted front 7. It takes 11 players to play defense. Obviously Lombardi doesn't understand that a secondary is important, too!
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Like I said, we could've been 8-8 last year with a clearly unqualified coach in Shurmur. (Haden's injury had a big impact).
Rubin and Taylor's strength and presence are getting league wide respect nowadays, and that was when they were both playing NT, at different times, now they're out there at the same time pushing the O-Line back.
In this new scheme, those stout D-Lineman will be able to create GREAT push and we will certainly be attacking the QB with Mingo(explosive) and Kruger(strong and explosive).
Think about Sheard's little success, what 8 sacks? With just an OKAY scheme while being worked hard.
Mingo and Kruger are respectively more physically gifted then Sheard, who is a very smart player. This will be awesome to watch when he is subbed in.
Now with those 2 guys as starters and Sheard rotating in when the time is right? And even Groves too, only to a lesser extent then Sheard.
Once again, lets really hope these guys can stay healthy. But if thats the case, 11-5.
It's about time we start to realize whats being put together right in front of us.
The Sunday suffering will soon be over people, and as hard as it is for a Cleveland fan to believe anymore, have some faith.
If this current roster remained relatively healthy and went 8-8 I would be disgusted. This is a GOOD team we have now.
And yes PoeticG, D'Qwell is great, but I didn't include him because I was emphasizing the new pass rushers and how effective they will be.
i love your optimism and agree with 90% of your post.
but you can't fix ugly and you can't fix dumb. to blame our past 5 years of shit seasons solely on coaching (cuz i think mangini was a very good coach) IMO isn't the right spot to place the specific blame.
hell yeah shurmur sucked and blame that on holmgren. but shurmur didn't overthrow the receivers every other play or not block the DL and push open open a hole for TR to get through.
coaches gotta coach. players gotta play, meaning execute what you have been taught.
i love your optimism and agree with 90% of your post.
but you can't fix ugly and you can't fix dumb. to blame our past 5 years of shit seasons solely on coaching (cuz i think mangini was a very good coach) IMO isn't the right spot to place the specific blame.
hell yeah shurmur sucked and blame that on holmgren. but shurmur didn't overthrow the receivers every other play or not block the DL and push open open a hole for TR to get through.
coaches gotta coach. players gotta play, meaning execute what you have been taught.
But the fact is Shumur really did stink as a head coach. I think it's hilarious that the tight asshole Shurmur is running the wide open offense of Kelly in Philly. That's gotta be a joke, right?
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Entirely too optimistic. Rob Chudzinski is in his first year as HC. Ever. Not just in the NFL, but anywhere.
Mingo is still an unproven, undersized college DE looking to make the transition to OLB. He is just as good as a blocking dummy at this point because, until now, he's done nothing. Sheard is trying to transition from DE to OLB as well. Kruger is the only one of the three that has experience as an NFL OLB, and there are question marks about whether or not he's even an every down backer. Rubin and Phil are solid linemen, but they aren't superstars.
When all is said and done, Desmond Bryant is our most proven lineman and biggest "star" in the front 7. He's shown the ability to rush the passer on a defense that was barely better than ours and lacked playmakers just as we did.
Add to that we will have a rookie third round pick starting at CB and, most likely, a rookie FS as well. That's two or three rookies, one player who's never played a snap at OLB before and another player who's only started 5 games in his career all starting on defense. And we still don't know who our other MLB is going to be.
Furthermore, our offensive coordinator was the HC of a team that finished 31st in Total Offense last season.
So, once again, we have WHO coaching WHICH inexperienced players in WHAT offense (mostly defense)?
Let me be clear...I like Chud. I like Turner. I like Horton. I think we have a very good coaching staff for this upcoming season. I think our offensive scheme fits our players well. I think our defensive scheme is fantastic.
But I am realistic. 8-8 would be a great season for us.
I can see us splitting with Cinci and Pittsburgh and dropping both games to Baltimore. We will probably lose to the Vikings. We will lose to the Packers. We will lose to the Chiefs. We will lose to the Patriots. We will probably lose to the Lions. It seems likely that we will lose to the Dolphins, as well, seeing as we haven't won a season opener in 5 seasons.
6-10. Maybe 7-9. 8-8 would be a great season.
Like I said, we could've been 8-8 last year with a clearly unqualified coach in Shurmur. (Haden's injury had a big impact).
Rubin and Taylor's strength and presence are getting league wide respect nowadays, and that was when they were both playing NT, at different times, now they're out there at the same time pushing the O-Line back.
In this new scheme, those stout D-Lineman will be able to create GREAT push and we will certainly be attacking the QB with Mingo(explosive) and Kruger(strong and explosive).
Think about Sheard's little success, what 8 sacks? With just an OKAY scheme while being worked hard.
Mingo and Kruger are respectively more physically gifted then Sheard, who is a very smart player. This will be awesome to watch when he is subbed in.
Now with those 2 guys as starters and Sheard rotating in when the time is right? And even Groves too, only to a lesser extent then Sheard.
Once again, lets really hope these guys can stay healthy. But if thats the case, 11-5.
It's about time we start to realize whats being put together right in front of us.
The Sunday suffering will soon be over people, and as hard as it is for a Cleveland fan to believe anymore, have some faith.
If this current roster remained relatively healthy and went 8-8 I would be disgusted. This is a GOOD team we have now.
And yes PoeticG, D'Qwell is great, but I didn't include him because I was emphasizing the new pass rushers and how effective they will be.
Like I said, we could've been 8-8 last year with a clearly unqualified coach in Shurmur. (Haden's injury had a big impact).
Rubin and Taylor's strength and presence are getting league wide respect nowadays, and that was when they were both playing NT, at different times, now they're out there at the same time pushing the O-Line back.
In this new scheme, those stout D-Lineman will be able to create GREAT push and we will certainly be attacking the QB with Mingo(explosive) and Kruger(strong and explosive).
Think about Sheard's little success, what 8 sacks? With just an OKAY scheme while being worked hard.
Mingo and Kruger are respectively more physically gifted then Sheard, who is a very smart player. This will be awesome to watch when he is subbed in.
Now with those 2 guys as starters and Sheard rotating in when the time is right? And even Groves too, only to a lesser extent then Sheard.
Once again, lets really hope these guys can stay healthy. But if thats the case, 11-5.
It's about time we start to realize whats being put together right in front of us.
The Sunday suffering will soon be over people, and as hard as it is for a Cleveland fan to believe anymore, have some faith.
If this current roster remained relatively healthy and went 8-8 I would be disgusted. This is a GOOD team we have now.
And yes PoeticG, D'Qwell is great, but I didn't include him because I was emphasizing the new pass rushers and how effective they will be.
D'Quell will get lost in this new defense and one wonders about Sheard, too, though we have an open mind about it.
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Like I said, we could've been 8-8 last year with a clearly unqualified coach in Shurmur. (Haden's injury had a big impact).
Rubin and Taylor's strength and presence are getting league wide respect nowadays, and that was when they were both playing NT, at different times, now they're out there at the same time pushing the O-Line back.
In this new scheme, those stout D-Lineman will be able to create GREAT push and we will certainly be attacking the QB with Mingo(explosive) and Kruger(strong and explosive).
Think about Sheard's little success, what 8 sacks? With just an OKAY scheme while being worked hard.
Mingo and Kruger are respectively more physically gifted then Sheard, who is a very smart player. This will be awesome to watch when he is subbed in.
Now with those 2 guys as starters and Sheard rotating in when the time is right? And even Groves too, only to a lesser extent then Sheard.
Once again, lets really hope these guys can stay healthy. But if thats the case, 11-5.
It's about time we start to realize whats being put together right in front of us.
The Sunday suffering will soon be over people, and as hard as it is for a Cleveland fan to believe anymore, have some faith.
If this current roster remained relatively healthy and went 8-8 I would be disgusted. This is a GOOD team we have now.
And yes PoeticG, D'Qwell is great, but I didn't include him because I was emphasizing the new pass rushers and how effective they will be.
i love your optimism and agree with 90% of your post.
but you can't fix ugly and you can't fix dumb. to blame our past 5 years of shit seasons solely on coaching (cuz i think mangini was a very good coach) IMO isn't the right spot to place the specific blame.
hell yeah shurmur sucked and blame that on holmgren. but shurmur didn't overthrow the receivers every other play or not block the DL and push open open a hole for TR to get through.
coaches gotta coach. players gotta play, meaning execute what you have been taught.
i love your optimism and agree with 90% of your post.
but you can't fix ugly and you can't fix dumb. to blame our past 5 years of shit seasons solely on coaching (cuz i think mangini was a very good coach) IMO isn't the right spot to place the specific blame.
hell yeah shurmur sucked and blame that on holmgren. but shurmur didn't overthrow the receivers every other play or not block the DL and push open open a hole for TR to get through.
coaches gotta coach. players gotta play, meaning execute what you have been taught.
We barely had any young good players 5 years ago. I don't feel like naming players, but this team was certainly not being built through the draft.
We should all thank Heckert for really starting this. I don't think Banner wouldn't have bought the team if he didn't recognize the potential, and I have fully backed his decisions regarding personnel.
No other Browns teams of late had legit potential before last year. And there were ROOKIES STARTING ON O.
Gordon and Little will shine and an experienced Bess will teach them things.
And I didn't mention Kruger's superbowl experience. Most of our players haven't seen the playoffs. Shit, have any of them?
When did we last have young, physically gifted, and smart players on offense coming into there second year? .....with a coach using them in the correct fashion?
andddd 90% of 11 is 9.9, round up and you my friend have us winning 10 games next year (Barring injuries)
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Cave, an UDFA, will start at OG next year and solidify one of the spots. He was the 3rd best C this year on some boards
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Cave, an UDFA, will start at OG next year and solidify one of the spots. He was the 3rd best C this year on some boards
Cave, an UDFA, will start at OG next year and solidify one of the spots. He was the 3rd best C this year on some boards
The Browns need a backup C/OG.
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Entirely too optimistic. Rob Chudzinski is in his first year as HC. Ever. Not just in the NFL, but anywhere.
Mingo is still an unproven, undersized college DE looking to make the transition to OLB. He is just as good as a blocking dummy at this point because, until now, he's done nothing. Sheard is trying to transition from DE to OLB as well. Kruger is the only one of the three that has experience as an NFL OLB, and there are question marks about whether or not he's even an every down backer. Rubin and Phil are solid linemen, but they aren't superstars.
When all is said and done, Desmond Bryant is our most proven lineman and biggest "star" in the front 7. He's shown the ability to rush the passer on a defense that was barely better than ours and lacked playmakers just as we did.
Add to that we will have a rookie third round pick starting at CB and, most likely, a rookie FS as well. That's two or three rookies, one player who's never played a snap at OLB before and another player who's only started 5 games in his career all starting on defense. And we still don't know who our other MLB is going to be.
Furthermore, our offensive coordinator was the HC of a team that finished 31st in Total Offense last season.
So, once again, we have WHO coaching WHICH inexperienced players in WHAT offense (mostly defense)?
Let me be clear...I like Chud. I like Turner. I like Horton. I think we have a very good coaching staff for this upcoming season. I think our offensive scheme fits our players well. I think our defensive scheme is fantastic.
But I am realistic. 8-8 would be a great season for us.
I can see us splitting with Cinci and Pittsburgh and dropping both games to Baltimore. We will probably lose to the Vikings. We will lose to the Packers. We will lose to the Chiefs. We will lose to the Patriots. We will probably lose to the Lions. It seems likely that we will lose to the Dolphins, as well, seeing as we haven't won a season opener in 5 seasons.
6-10. Maybe 7-9. 8-8 would be a great season.
Like I said, we could've been 8-8 last year with a clearly unqualified coach in Shurmur. (Haden's injury had a big impact).
Rubin and Taylor's strength and presence are getting league wide respect nowadays, and that was when they were both playing NT, at different times, now they're out there at the same time pushing the O-Line back.
In this new scheme, those stout D-Lineman will be able to create GREAT push and we will certainly be attacking the QB with Mingo(explosive) and Kruger(strong and explosive).
Think about Sheard's little success, what 8 sacks? With just an OKAY scheme while being worked hard.
Mingo and Kruger are respectively more physically gifted then Sheard, who is a very smart player. This will be awesome to watch when he is subbed in.
Now with those 2 guys as starters and Sheard rotating in when the time is right? And even Groves too, only to a lesser extent then Sheard.
Once again, lets really hope these guys can stay healthy. But if thats the case, 11-5.
It's about time we start to realize whats being put together right in front of us.
The Sunday suffering will soon be over people, and as hard as it is for a Cleveland fan to believe anymore, have some faith.
If this current roster remained relatively healthy and went 8-8 I would be disgusted. This is a GOOD team we have now.
And yes PoeticG, D'Qwell is great, but I didn't include him because I was emphasizing the new pass rushers and how effective they will be.
Like I said, we could've been 8-8 last year with a clearly unqualified coach in Shurmur. (Haden's injury had a big impact).
Rubin and Taylor's strength and presence are getting league wide respect nowadays, and that was when they were both playing NT, at different times, now they're out there at the same time pushing the O-Line back.
In this new scheme, those stout D-Lineman will be able to create GREAT push and we will certainly be attacking the QB with Mingo(explosive) and Kruger(strong and explosive).
Think about Sheard's little success, what 8 sacks? With just an OKAY scheme while being worked hard.
Mingo and Kruger are respectively more physically gifted then Sheard, who is a very smart player. This will be awesome to watch when he is subbed in.
Now with those 2 guys as starters and Sheard rotating in when the time is right? And even Groves too, only to a lesser extent then Sheard.
Once again, lets really hope these guys can stay healthy. But if thats the case, 11-5.
It's about time we start to realize whats being put together right in front of us.
The Sunday suffering will soon be over people, and as hard as it is for a Cleveland fan to believe anymore, have some faith.
If this current roster remained relatively healthy and went 8-8 I would be disgusted. This is a GOOD team we have now.
And yes PoeticG, D'Qwell is great, but I didn't include him because I was emphasizing the new pass rushers and how effective they will be.
You're like the Browns management -- totally disregarding the fact that the Browns are horriific at the free safety position and have no quality depth at all in the secondary -- the same problem that contributed mightily to a couple of losses last season. If Haden or McFadden get hurt, and even with them in the lineup, this defense, big pass rush or not, will give up a ton of points and lose a lot of games. It takes ELEVEN guys to make up a defense, not SEVEN as you and the Browns management thinks!
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Cave, an UDFA, will start at OG next year and solidify one of the spots. He was the 3rd best C this year on some boards
Cave, an UDFA, will start at OG next year and solidify one of the spots. He was the 3rd best C this year on some boards
Excellent pick up by the Browns but I think Faulk and Gilkey are the two UDFAs to watch re the most playing time. I do expect Cave to contribute and probably more at the center position. Browns did more this draft re quality UDFA linemen than any other time I can remember. A genuine coup to get all three of these guys. I hate Lombardi but I give him some credit with this.
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Like I said, we could've been 8-8 last year with a clearly unqualified coach in Shurmur. (Haden's injury had a big impact).
Rubin and Taylor's strength and presence are getting league wide respect nowadays, and that was when they were both playing NT, at different times, now they're out there at the same time pushing the O-Line back.
In this new scheme, those stout D-Lineman will be able to create GREAT push and we will certainly be attacking the QB with Mingo(explosive) and Kruger(strong and explosive).
Think about Sheard's little success, what 8 sacks? With just an OKAY scheme while being worked hard.
Mingo and Kruger are respectively more physically gifted then Sheard, who is a very smart player. This will be awesome to watch when he is subbed in.
Now with those 2 guys as starters and Sheard rotating in when the time is right? And even Groves too, only to a lesser extent then Sheard.
Once again, lets really hope these guys can stay healthy. But if thats the case, 11-5.
It's about time we start to realize whats being put together right in front of us.
The Sunday suffering will soon be over people, and as hard as it is for a Cleveland fan to believe anymore, have some faith.
If this current roster remained relatively healthy and went 8-8 I would be disgusted. This is a GOOD team we have now.
And yes PoeticG, D'Qwell is great, but I didn't include him because I was emphasizing the new pass rushers and how effective they will be.
You're like the Browns management -- totally disregarding the fact that the Browns are horriific at the free safety position and have no quality depth at all in the secondary -- the same problem that contributed mightily to a couple of losses last season. If Haden or McFadden get hurt, and even with them in the lineup, this defense, big pass rush or not, will give up a ton of points and lose a lot of games. It takes ELEVEN guys to make up a defense, not SEVEN as you and the Browns management thinks!
Skeptical2013 said:
You're like the Browns management -- totally disregarding the fact that the Browns are horriific at the free safety position and have no quality depth at all in the secondary -- the same problem that contributed mightily to a couple of losses last season. If Haden or McFadden get hurt, and even with them in the lineup, this defense, big pass rush or not, will give up a ton of points and lose a lot of games. It takes ELEVEN guys to make up a defense, not SEVEN as you and the Browns management thinks!
The pass rush alone(Given there will be a pass rush, which i obviously believe in) will allow the whole secondary to shine.
And we are not horrific at FS, we have an experienced 2nd year player in Gibson. He's not "good" or "great", but he did his job.
Like management said, we won't fill all the needs this year: with what pick were we gonna use on a safety? That 4th rounder? So you think a 4th round grade safety is gonna help us?
C'mon man.
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Skeptical2013 said:
You're like the Browns management -- totally disregarding the fact that the Browns are horriific at the free safety position and have no quality depth at all in the secondary -- the same problem that contributed mightily to a couple of losses last season. If Haden or McFadden get hurt, and even with them in the lineup, this defense, big pass rush or not, will give up a ton of points and lose a lot of games. It takes ELEVEN guys to make up a defense, not SEVEN as you and the Browns management thinks!
The pass rush alone(Given there will be a pass rush, which i obviously believe in) will allow the whole secondary to shine.
And we are not horrific at FS, we have an experienced 2nd year player in Gibson. He's not "good" or "great", but he did his job.
Like management said, we won't fill all the needs this year: with what pick were we gonna use on a safety? That 4th rounder? So you think a 4th round grade safety is gonna help us?
C'mon man.
The pass rush alone(Given there will be a pass rush, which i obviously believe in) will allow the whole secondary to shine.
And we are not horrific at FS, we have an experienced 2nd year player in Gibson. He's not "good" or "great", but he did his job.
Like management said, we won't fill all the needs this year: with what pick were we gonna use on a safety? That 4th rounder? So you think a 4th round grade safety is gonna help us?
C'mon man.
Shamarko Thomas and Bacarri Rambo were on the board, along with three other safeties that were taken in the 4th and 5th.
Do you think Slaughter will help us?
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The pass rush alone(Given there will be a pass rush, which i obviously believe in) will allow the whole secondary to shine.
And we are not horrific at FS, we have an experienced 2nd year player in Gibson. He's not "good" or "great", but he did his job.
Like management said, we won't fill all the needs this year: with what pick were we gonna use on a safety? That 4th rounder? So you think a 4th round grade safety is gonna help us?
C'mon man.
Shamarko Thomas and Bacarri Rambo were on the board, along with three other safeties that were taken in the 4th and 5th.
Do you think Slaughter will help us?
Shamarko Thomas and Bacarri Rambo were on the board, along with three other safeties that were taken in the 4th and 5th.
Do you think Slaughter will help us?
Those guys were 4th round picks for a reason.
Who knows how Gibson or Slaughter will play, but they are no scrubs, and Slaughter might even turn out to be a steal.
And maybe Rambo is good, but he had some issues, and the FO decided it would be better to take the Steeler's next years third and stick it out this year with what we got.
Regardless, I'm excited for this year based off of our current scheme and talent. This team is constantly on the up rise now thanks to a solid GM in Heckert(picked up by Broncos) and a smart FO with a plan, for a superbowl, because it seems Browns fans just want playoffs, and the irony sets in as I recall my username.
This FO sees the bigger picture, they know what it takes to bring Cleveland what it so desperately needs.
In 2 years,the Browns will be an elite NFL team.
Everyone needs to realize this.
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Shamarko Thomas and Bacarri Rambo were on the board, along with three other safeties that were taken in the 4th and 5th.
Do you think Slaughter will help us?
Those guys were 4th round picks for a reason.
Who knows how Gibson or Slaughter will play, but they are no scrubs, and Slaughter might even turn out to be a steal.
And maybe Rambo is good, but he had some issues, and the FO decided it would be better to take the Steeler's next years third and stick it out this year with what we got.
Regardless, I'm excited for this year based off of our current scheme and talent. This team is constantly on the up rise now thanks to a solid GM in Heckert(picked up by Broncos) and a smart FO with a plan, for a superbowl, because it seems Browns fans just want playoffs, and the irony sets in as I recall my username.
This FO sees the bigger picture, they know what it takes to bring Cleveland what it so desperately needs.
In 2 years,the Browns will be an elite NFL team.
Everyone needs to realize this.
Those guys were 4th round picks for a reason.
Who knows how Gibson or Slaughter will play, but they are no scrubs, and Slaughter might even turn out to be a steal.
And maybe Rambo is good, but he had some issues, and the FO decided it would be better to take the Steeler's next years third and stick it out this year with what we got.
Regardless, I'm excited for this year based off of our current scheme and talent. This team is constantly on the up rise now thanks to a solid GM in Heckert(picked up by Broncos) and a smart FO with a plan, for a superbowl, because it seems Browns fans just want playoffs, and the irony sets in as I recall my username.
This FO sees the bigger picture, they know what it takes to bring Cleveland what it so desperately needs.
In 2 years,the Browns will be an elite NFL team.
Everyone needs to realize this.
So the 4th round picks of other teams sucked, but our fifth round pick was good.
Got it.
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Skeptical2013 said:
You're like the Browns management -- totally disregarding the fact that the Browns are horriific at the free safety position and have no quality depth at all in the secondary -- the same problem that contributed mightily to a couple of losses last season. If Haden or McFadden get hurt, and even with them in the lineup, this defense, big pass rush or not, will give up a ton of points and lose a lot of games. It takes ELEVEN guys to make up a defense, not SEVEN as you and the Browns management thinks!
The pass rush alone(Given there will be a pass rush, which i obviously believe in) will allow the whole secondary to shine.
And we are not horrific at FS, we have an experienced 2nd year player in Gibson. He's not "good" or "great", but he did his job.
Like management said, we won't fill all the needs this year: with what pick were we gonna use on a safety? That 4th rounder? So you think a 4th round grade safety is gonna help us?
C'mon man.
The pass rush alone(Given there will be a pass rush, which i obviously believe in) will allow the whole secondary to shine.
And we are not horrific at FS, we have an experienced 2nd year player in Gibson. He's not "good" or "great", but he did his job.
Like management said, we won't fill all the needs this year: with what pick were we gonna use on a safety? That 4th rounder? So you think a 4th round grade safety is gonna help us?
C'mon man.
No, the pass rush alone won't allow the secondary to shine. Itakes 11 good players to have a good defense, not seven. Gipson "experienced" with only a few games starting behind him? And what about talent level? If experience is all that counted, Woodson would have been the first FA signed, but he's old now and not nearly as quick and nimble as he used to be. How much talent Gipson has remains to be seen. But even if he is close to average at free safety, if he gets hurt there is absolutely nothing, and I mean nothing, to replace him! It'll be a disaster and a nightmare for Browns fans. And Haden or McFadden get hurt, we replace them with Owens or Barnes!? What a laugher that is! Re the Browns big pass rush, smart QBs and offensive coordinators wil roll out their QBs and quickly find receivers so open it'll be like they are on a deserted prarie out west.
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Shamarko Thomas and Bacarri Rambo were on the board, along with three other safeties that were taken in the 4th and 5th.
Do you think Slaughter will help us?
Those guys were 4th round picks for a reason.
Who knows how Gibson or Slaughter will play, but they are no scrubs, and Slaughter might even turn out to be a steal.
And maybe Rambo is good, but he had some issues, and the FO decided it would be better to take the Steeler's next years third and stick it out this year with what we got.
Regardless, I'm excited for this year based off of our current scheme and talent. This team is constantly on the up rise now thanks to a solid GM in Heckert(picked up by Broncos) and a smart FO with a plan, for a superbowl, because it seems Browns fans just want playoffs, and the irony sets in as I recall my username.
This FO sees the bigger picture, they know what it takes to bring Cleveland what it so desperately needs.
In 2 years,the Browns will be an elite NFL team.
Everyone needs to realize this.
Those guys were 4th round picks for a reason.
Who knows how Gibson or Slaughter will play, but they are no scrubs, and Slaughter might even turn out to be a steal.
And maybe Rambo is good, but he had some issues, and the FO decided it would be better to take the Steeler's next years third and stick it out this year with what we got.
Regardless, I'm excited for this year based off of our current scheme and talent. This team is constantly on the up rise now thanks to a solid GM in Heckert(picked up by Broncos) and a smart FO with a plan, for a superbowl, because it seems Browns fans just want playoffs, and the irony sets in as I recall my username.
This FO sees the bigger picture, they know what it takes to bring Cleveland what it so desperately needs.
In 2 years,the Browns will be an elite NFL team.
Everyone needs to realize this.
The view of most people: The Browns are the worst team in their division because they draft more poorly than their division competitors, and it was the same thing again this year. Case closed. Until the Browns get a GM who knows what he is doing instead of this long line of nitwits, the team will never be competitive for a playoff spot.
Oh, wasn't it smart for a team with so many holes to fill to draft away valuable 4th and 5th round picks that other teams jumped at, giving the Browns a minor chance next year to use those picks to try and get Teddy Twatwater. Do you think any bad team with a chance to draft Bridgewater, if he has a great 2013 season, will trade with the Browns? It'll be a repeat of the Robert Griffin fiasco and Lombardi will probably try to hunt down Craig Powell and "Touchdown" Tommy Vardell so he can re-draft them.
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@mike-h said:
Slaughter's appeal is likely for Horton's 2-3-6. He likes to run 3 safeties and have one play up at backer, something Slaughter did a lot of at ND.
Oh, isn't it great. We don't really have any good safeties but let'suse three of them on defense???!!! Sluaghter is aptly named -- fast receivers will slaughter him on deep pass routes. That's if Salughter can stay healthy which is a question mark in itself. Didn't anybody notice how slow Notre Dame players were against an SEC team? Shouldn't that tell you something???!!! And yet we take Slaughter over Bacari Rambo, who made firstteam all america in 2011 while playing in the SEC. One can only conclude that one has to have an IQ under 80 to be an NFLGM or coach.
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Those guys were 4th round picks for a reason.
Who knows how Gibson or Slaughter will play, but they are no scrubs, and Slaughter might even turn out to be a steal.
And maybe Rambo is good, but he had some issues, and the FO decided it would be better to take the Steeler's next years third and stick it out this year with what we got.
Regardless, I'm excited for this year based off of our current scheme and talent. This team is constantly on the up rise now thanks to a solid GM in Heckert(picked up by Broncos) and a smart FO with a plan, for a superbowl, because it seems Browns fans just want playoffs, and the irony sets in as I recall my username.
This FO sees the bigger picture, they know what it takes to bring Cleveland what it so desperately needs.
In 2 years,the Browns will be an elite NFL team.
Everyone needs to realize this.
The view of most people: The Browns are the worst team in their division because they draft more poorly than their division competitors, and it was the same thing again this year. Case closed. Until the Browns get a GM who knows what he is doing instead of this long line of nitwits, the team will never be competitive for a playoff spot.
Oh, wasn't it smart for a team with so many holes to fill to draft away valuable 4th and 5th round picks that other teams jumped at, giving the Browns a minor chance next year to use those picks to try and get Teddy Twatwater. Do you think any bad team with a chance to draft Bridgewater, if he has a great 2013 season, will trade with the Browns? It'll be a repeat of the Robert Griffin fiasco and Lombardi will probably try to hunt down Craig Powell and "Touchdown" Tommy Vardell so he can re-draft them.
Skeptical2013 said:
The view of most people: The Browns are the worst team in their division because they draft more poorly than their division competitors, and it was the same thing again this year. Case closed. Until the Browns get a GM who knows what he is doing instead of this long line of nitwits, the team will never be competitive for a playoff spot.
Oh, wasn't it smart for a team with so many holes to fill to draft away valuable 4th and 5th round picks that other teams jumped at, giving the Browns a minor chance next year to use those picks to try and get Teddy Twatwater. Do you think any bad team with a chance to draft Bridgewater, if he has a great 2013 season, will trade with the Browns? It'll be a repeat of the Robert Griffin fiasco and Lombardi will probably try to hunt down Craig Powell and "Touchdown" Tommy Vardell so he can re-draft them.
I've truly said all I have to say so if you think were gonna suck next year then so be it.
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Whichever way you look at it, not many teams have improved their roster as much as the Browns in the last two seasons. Whether you agree with moving up to take TRich at 3 the fact is before drafting him they had a few good players on the D and O lines, and Haden. After that there wasn't much to get excited about.
Since then theyve added a potential top RB, WRs who actually give the opposition something to worry about, and now a pass rush. Added to this, (hopefully) better coaches, setting up the team to the players, especially weeden's, strengths and things are on the up.
Obviously the team isn't there yet and I'd have liked them to try harder in FA to strengthen the back line by maybe gambling on paying Grimes but they have a policy and they are sticking to it. There's definately more reason to be positive than negative about next season and beyond than there has been in a while.
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