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John Gruden fired by the Bucs

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  • Gruden was on the hot seat after poor redzone offense this season so its not that surprising. Im very surprised they let Bruce Allen go though, can't think of many bad free agent aquisitions on his part and he has them around $46 mill under cap for next year...

  • I don't know if Gruden lost his motivation or if he's still the same guy, but IMO - it's sort of class-lacking for a team to fire their coach a couple weeks after their last game. If you're going to fire a guy, do it so they can put themselves on the market.

    This guy could have been a candidate for yinz possibly and that window's obviously closed. I'm not sure what kind of coin he would command though.

    Regards

    .... an'at

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  • Gruden has been an underachiever since he got lucky five years ago..........he probably was skating thin and some recent interchanges with the owner........pushed them over the top..........Tampa loses nothing Gruden never has been more than ordinary except for the chuckie face

    Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes
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  • Ive never understood why the Bucs spent 2 1st rounders and 2 2nd rounders in order to get a coach who's biggest quality is his passion for quarterbacks and then fail to draft him a decent quarterback. They were 9-3 when Monte Kiffin let slip he was leaving, the defence folded and they missed out, i dont think he should have been sacked but the further removed he got from his superbowl year the easier it was to sack him...

  • Raheem Morris to be HC, Mark Dominik as GM for Bucs, per ESPN anyways, Press Conference tomorrow.

  • Its official - the Browns f.ucked up.....again.

  • I have to admit, I would have been a lot more pumped if the headlines read, "Browns hire former Buc's John Gruden as their new head coach"................No doubt.

  • Gruden has created a bad habit of selecting bad quarterbacks as his starter over the years.

  • If someone were to have told me at week 14, that both Shanahan and Gruden would be available, but we would get neither, I would have punched them. 🥷

  • Old dogs that forgot how to bury a bone. We will do fine with Mangini the Magnifecent.

  • Cheer up folks -

    No question, Mangini doesn't inspire anywhere near the confidence of nearly all the other coaches hired in this offseason - nor can I still figure out why Lerner felt compelled to rush out and sign a coach who no one else wanted to even interview...

    And while I actually think Mangini picked good matches given his coaching and personal style - no one seemed all that keen on hiring his assistants either

    That being said, even a blind squirrel finds a nut... even a broken clock is right twice a day - and its not out of the realm of possibility that in a day and age of NFL parity that the Browns could get back to respectability.

    Stranger things have happened.... though I agree with most of you, it'd feel a lot better to be inspired with one of the many highly touted Head Coaches and GM candidates that were available.

  • I always thought Gruden as a decent coach...but not great.

    I will say that I wouldn't mind him as the Rams head coach, but I would prefer Herm Edwards (but he won't be available for another week or so).

    Go Browns! Go Rams! - http://tksc.forumcircle.com/portal.php

  • I find this odd; why would they wait so long?

    I would not consider this a Browns failure; Lerner made the effective decision in an efficient manner. I am really looking forward to next season!

    ballpeenB 1 Reply

  • IF Gruden doesn't coach in '09 AND Weis falters, he'll end up at Notre Dame.

  • listercatL listercat

    I find this odd; why would they wait so long?

    I would not consider this a Browns failure; Lerner made the effective decision in an efficient manner. I am really looking forward to next season!

    @listercat said:

    I find this odd; why would they wait so long?

    I would not consider this a Browns failure; Lerner made the effective decision in an efficient manner. I am really looking forward to next season!

    I agree.....and I think Mangini is a better choice for this team.

    As we move forward...I assume with Quinn...Mangini runs a more normal offense. Gruden runs a O that is unlike any other in so far as terminology....by all accounts unnecessarily complicated. I wouldn't want to go through those growing pains on that side of the ball.

    Gruden available or not, I am happy with our situation.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    @listercat said:

    I find this odd; why would they wait so long?

    I would not consider this a Browns failure; Lerner made the effective decision in an efficient manner. I am really looking forward to next season!

    I agree.....and I think Mangini is a better choice for this team.

    As we move forward...I assume with Quinn...Mangini runs a more normal offense. Gruden runs a O that is unlike any other in so far as terminology....by all accounts unnecessarily complicated. I wouldn't want to go through those growing pains on that side of the ball.

    Gruden available or not, I am happy with our situation.

    @ballpeen said:

    ...Gruden available or not, I am happy with our situation.

    Amen brother. We have Mangini, our OC, DC, and special teams coordinator. Kokinis is as good as landed and now we're interviewing the QB coach at USC who is well respected and consider a big catch.

    Pretty damn good for Jan 17th.

  • Pretty damn good for Jan 17th.

    I agree. The season is 3 weeks done, and we have the important parts in place....with as you say, the GM just a formality...and even if that falls through, that isn't all that critical. There are other GM qualified candidates out there, even if it isn't a football guy. Nothing says the GM has to be a super scout...you have scouts and coaches who can do that. A GM needs to be organized, a team builder, a clear thinker, communicator, and be detail oriented. If he doesn't have those skills, it doesn't matter how good he is at seeing talent.

    We have the coach and the 2 main assistants with a possible QB coach in the wings. The other positions on the staff will come together with qualified teachers...there are hundreds who can do a good job if given the chance.

    I feel good....now check back with me in 2 years to see if the feeling is the same. 😉

    (Crossed fingers)

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

  • For the guys that think we messed up tell me why we need this guy?

    He runs the west coast offence..... is that something we would want in clev, when there is a foot of snow on the field and the wind is blowing 35+mph?

    Not me!

  • rich4eagleR rich4eagle

    Gruden has been an underachiever since he got lucky five years ago..........he probably was skating thin and some recent interchanges with the owner........pushed them over the top..........Tampa loses nothing Gruden never has been more than ordinary except for the chuckie face

    @rich4eagle said:

    an underachiever since he got lucky five years ago..........

    I thought we were talking about Gruden not Tressell. I guess they both can lay claim to No Mo Championships - it's just that 1 guy gets treated to Indiana, Northwestern, and Purdue more often - arguably less regular season challlenges in the Big 10. Same story though: winning records and talented rosters becoming better known for goose eggs destroying post season expectations the last 3 years.

    - Tom F.

    I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
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  • Maybe you can talk Tressell into coaching the Browns. Just think Jim would be a failure at the highest level. Can anyone say Super Bowl blowout?

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