Josh Gordon Suspened Two Games
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Sorry but you are being a bit dramatic stating that people suffer every day from anti pot laws. You don't have to agree with any law - that's your choice. But bitching about the ramifications of knowingly breaking the law is moronic.. Gordon and every other professional athlete know the substance abuse policies whether they choose to follow them or not. Let's just hope he has finally learned his lesson and that Davone Bess is as good a mentor as everyone seems to think...
Exactly. Sick of these rich spoiled athletes failing drug tests when they know the rules, then these fools come and defend them. Fuck them.
Exactly. Sick of these rich spoiled athletes failing drug tests when they know the rules, then these fools come and defend them. Fuck them.
I can guarantee you'd fail an NFL drug test at this very moment, you ignorant asshole. These players cannot take most OTC medications for aches and pains nor many vitamins and supplements that even the oldest, most impotent bastard has to take just to get up in the morning.
If you don't know shit about dick, keep your mouth shut. It's simple.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
You need to read up on the rules. It doesn't matter if he had a scrip or not, he would still be suspended. The fact that he had proof of a visit and a scrip won't keep him from being suspended but that proof will get his suspension reduced. Doctors do prescribe antibiotics to heal strep, but they also prescripe alot of different things to short term releief, espessially to athletes. Two of the biggest things that doctors prescrib to patients with strep who still need to work out are steriods and cough syrup. I have strep my senior year in high school and my doctor wanted to give me a steriod shot, but ended up giving me a steriod inhaler.
Your letting your disapointment over what happened cloud your thinking. Yes it is disappointing, and yes Gordon fucked up. But he sure as shit isn't lying and he just made a mistake, a mistake that doesn't hurt us as bad as if he was being an inconsiderate asshole.
things aren't that cloudy on my end
"NFL Policy and Program For Substance Abuse Appendix E (Page 32)
ABUSE OF PRESCRIPTION AND
OVER-THE-COUNTER DRUGS
Under the Policy, the abuse of prescription and over-the-counter drugs is prohibited.
Abuse of prescription drugs is defined as either:
a. the use of a prescription drug without a prescription issued to the player
by a licensed healthcare provider; or
b. the use of a prescription drug issued to the player by a licensed healthcare
provider more than thirty (30) days after the expiration date of the
prescription."
optimum word here in paragraph a is without
As I said before.....IF he had a valid prescription and it met the limitations of paragraph b then he would not be facing any discipline
things aren't that cloudy on my end
NFL Policy and Program For Substance Abuse Appendix E (Page 32)
ABUSE OF PRESCRIPTION AND
OVER-THE-COUNTER DRUGS
Under the Policy, the abuse of prescription and over-the-counter drugs is prohibited.
Abuse of prescription drugs is defined as either:
a. the use of a prescription drug without a prescription issued to the player
by a licensed healthcare provider; or
b. the use of a prescription drug issued to the player by a licensed healthcare
provider more than thirty (30) days after the expiration date of the
prescription.
optimum word here in paragraph a is without
As I said before.....IF he had a valid prescription and it met the limitations of paragraph b then he would not be facing any discipline
I've never been prescribed cough syrup a day in my life. Doesn't mean I don't take it if I need it.
It's an OTC drug. I doubt Gordon thought to get a scrip for cough syrup.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Exactly. Sick of these rich spoiled athletes failing drug tests when they know the rules, then these fools come and defend them. Fuck them.
I can guarantee you'd fail an NFL drug test at this very moment, you ignorant asshole. These players cannot take most OTC medications for aches and pains nor many vitamins and supplements that even the oldest, most impotent bastard has to take just to get up in the morning.
If you don't know shit about dick, keep your mouth shut. It's simple.
I can guarantee you'd fail an NFL drug test at this very moment, you ignorant asshole. These players cannot take most OTC medications for aches and pains nor many vitamins and supplements that even the oldest, most impotent bastard has to take just to get up in the morning.
If you don't know shit about dick, keep your mouth shut. It's simple.
Shut up. Codeine is a prescription drug, not OTC. Where the hell you live some hick town?
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things aren't that cloudy on my end
NFL Policy and Program For Substance Abuse Appendix E (Page 32)
ABUSE OF PRESCRIPTION AND
OVER-THE-COUNTER DRUGS
Under the Policy, the abuse of prescription and over-the-counter drugs is prohibited.
Abuse of prescription drugs is defined as either:
a. the use of a prescription drug without a prescription issued to the player
by a licensed healthcare provider; or
b. the use of a prescription drug issued to the player by a licensed healthcare
provider more than thirty (30) days after the expiration date of the
prescription.
optimum word here in paragraph a is without
As I said before.....IF he had a valid prescription and it met the limitations of paragraph b then he would not be facing any discipline
I've never been prescribed cough syrup a day in my life. Doesn't mean I don't take it if I need it.
It's an OTC drug. I doubt Gordon thought to get a scrip for cough syrup.
I've never been prescribed cough syrup a day in my life. Doesn't mean I don't take it if I need it.
It's an OTC drug. I doubt Gordon thought to get a scrip for cough syrup.
You beat me to it by 5 minutes DieHard, while I was typing
Hate to tell ya TC- but codeine cough syrup sure as hell is a prescription drug. Didn't used to be that way- back when you could go to the pharmacy and sign your life away in the narcotics log, and get a bottle of it- but no longer. Incidentally, the worthless shit you now get OTC- dextromethorphan- is the D-isomer of codeine, and it's about 1\10th as good at suppressing coughs.
Having worked in a hospital with nurses who can steer you to the "good stuff" from personal experience, isn't anything better than codeine + phenergan if you're hacking your lungs out with a bad chest cold.
I would question what Gordon was doing taking codeine if he had a strep throat. You take antibiotics- and there's far more effective high octane prescribable pain killers than codeine.
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I would question what Gordon was doing taking codeine if he had a strep throat. You take antibiotics- and there's far more effective high octane prescribable pain killers than codeine.
That is what I found perplexing. Codeine wouldn't do much for a strep infection. Now my biggest question is why 2 games and not 4? Something had to work in his favor.
Maybe he had a prescribed codeine medication that had expired and he started medicating himself for a strep infection.
In the scheme of things it doesn't look like the kid had a major slip, and we can do just fine for 2 games. Benji can stretch the field. Bess can get the underneath stuff.
I am eager to see what Nelson brings. He is the forgotten player in all of this. I think he has major upside. In 2011 he had 61 catches for over 650 yards, 5 TDs. If he comes back to form, he is going to be playing on Sundays.
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somebody told me yesterday that it was prescription codeine. I had no idea that was against league rules. WSS
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I thought if you had a prescription, it was okay.to take. I'm assuming that Gordon also had a case of
bronchitis, which would be a lot of coughing, and got strep throat from his resistance being down.
That's as smart a bunch of crap as I can muster, since I'm no health pro, and I'm not Mr. Hoorta. @@
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Codeine cough syrup is a schedule V drug by the FDA. Schedule V drugs are available OTC in Illinois, North Carolina, Ohio and Massachusetts.
It seems like I'm not the one from a hick town.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
You need to read up on the rules. It doesn't matter if he had a scrip or not, he would still be suspended. The fact that he had proof of a visit and a scrip won't keep him from being suspended but that proof will get his suspension reduced. Doctors do prescribe antibiotics to heal strep, but they also prescripe alot of different things to short term releief, espessially to athletes. Two of the biggest things that doctors prescrib to patients with strep who still need to work out are steriods and cough syrup. I have strep my senior year in high school and my doctor wanted to give me a steriod shot, but ended up giving me a steriod inhaler.
Your letting your disapointment over what happened cloud your thinking. Yes it is disappointing, and yes Gordon fucked up. But he sure as shit isn't lying and he just made a mistake, a mistake that doesn't hurt us as bad as if he was being an inconsiderate asshole.
things aren't that cloudy on my end
"NFL Policy and Program For Substance Abuse Appendix E (Page 32)
ABUSE OF PRESCRIPTION AND
OVER-THE-COUNTER DRUGS
Under the Policy, the abuse of prescription and over-the-counter drugs is prohibited.
Abuse of prescription drugs is defined as either:
a. the use of a prescription drug without a prescription issued to the player
by a licensed healthcare provider; or
b. the use of a prescription drug issued to the player by a licensed healthcare
provider more than thirty (30) days after the expiration date of the
prescription."
optimum word here in paragraph a is without
As I said before.....IF he had a valid prescription and it met the limitations of paragraph b then he would not be facing any discipline
things aren't that cloudy on my end
NFL Policy and Program For Substance Abuse Appendix E (Page 32)
ABUSE OF PRESCRIPTION AND
OVER-THE-COUNTER DRUGS
Under the Policy, the abuse of prescription and over-the-counter drugs is prohibited.
Abuse of prescription drugs is defined as either:
a. the use of a prescription drug without a prescription issued to the player
by a licensed healthcare provider; or
b. the use of a prescription drug issued to the player by a licensed healthcare
provider more than thirty (30) days after the expiration date of the
prescription.
optimum word here in paragraph a is without
As I said before.....IF he had a valid prescription and it met the limitations of paragraph b then he would not be facing any discipline
But there are drugs that you can not take even with an unexpired prescription from your doctor. Doctors can prescribe you steriods, but it sure as shit doesn't matter if you have a note from your doctor saying you can take steriods, your ass is going to be suspended. Same goes for codeine. This becomes an obvious fact since his prescription DID fall into the catagory that you mentioned, his suspension was reduced.
The guy made a mistake, and now there are all these "sources" coming out of the wood works raining down hell fire on Gordon future career.
Ruining threads since 1897. -
GORDON ALREADY IN STAGE 3 OF THE NFL DRUG PROGRAM
I read this this morning. This means this is his second hit since being in the league and his next could end up being a one year suspension.
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I understand the concept that players know the rules... but pot being a banned substance is indeed ridiculous. Tough to think of a recreational "drug," including alcohol, that literally has no physical consequences. And in many cases, has legit medicinal purposes. If an athlete's gonna let his hair down a little, I'd say pot WAY ahead of booze.
I understand the concept that players know the rules... but pot being a banned substance is indeed ridiculous. Tough to think of a recreational "drug," including alcohol, that literally has no physical consequences. And in many cases, has legit medicinal purposes. If an athlete's gonna let his hair down a little, I'd say pot WAY ahead of booze.
Well, that's a load of bullshI** if I've ever heard it. Weed does cause a list of physical consequences, especially in athletes, including lowered testosterone levels - leading to decrease in muscle mass / muscle growth, short- and long-term memory impairment, long-term damage to areas in the brain that affect balance and coordination, lung damage (similar to smoking), HBP, impairment of sleep-wake cycles... and let's not forget "chronic laziness" (that one is a joke, sort of)
Marijuana does have some, however limited, positive medicinal purposes but that doesn't mean people should be able to go to the corner-store and buy it legally. Heroin and Cocaine also have some, however limited, positive medicinal purposes. Should they be legalized??
If I am paying an athlete, and my athlete just HAS to get intoxicated, I would WAYYY rather they use alcohol. Sure it causes a high-level of impairment when abused, but it is out of the system in 1-2 hours per drink. Weed causes a lower-level of impairment but stays in the system producing NO HIGH, yet damage to brain and body for 1-5 weeks...
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I read that article by Cabot too, and in it she says Gordon will most likely be pushed into phase 3 of the program due to his past.
My question is how is he already in phase 2 now?
Was he automatically put into phase 2 coming into the league due to his trouble in college?
It makes sense but from a legal standpoint a little unfair,I'm surprised the NFLPA doesn't have some kind of clause disallowing this.
"All Truth Passes Through Three stages. First, It Is Ridiculed, Second It Is Violently Opposed, And Third, It Is Accepted As Self-Evident" ~Arthur Schopenhauer -
Codeine cough syrup is a schedule V drug by the FDA. Schedule V drugs are available OTC in Illinois, North Carolina, Ohio and Massachusetts.
It seems like I'm not the one from a hick town.
Codeine cough syrup is a schedule V drug by the FDA. Schedule V drugs are available OTC in Illinois, North Carolina, Ohio and Massachusetts.
It seems like I'm not the one from a hick town.
I sent an email to the Ohio Pharmacy board asking about this and will post if/when I receive a reply. I have never seen any codeine cough syrup available otc in Ohio.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Codeine cough syrup is a schedule V drug by the FDA. Schedule V drugs are available OTC in Illinois, North Carolina, Ohio and Massachusetts.
It seems like I'm not the one from a hick town.
I sent an email to the Ohio Pharmacy board asking about this and will post if/when I receive a reply. I have never seen any codeine cough syrup available otc in Ohio.
I sent an email to the Ohio Pharmacy board asking about this and will post if/when I receive a reply. I have never seen any codeine cough syrup available otc in Ohio.
"Codeine-containing cough syrups are schedule V drugs according to the FDA. The FDA regulates how these drugs may be obtained and used. Drugs on schedules I through V are listed in order based upon the drugs medical applications, possibility of addiction and other drugs included in the mixture of each particular class. Generally, the higher the number on the schedule, the less a drug is regulated. Officially, schedule V drugs can be dispensed OTC--meaning they can be obtained from a pharmacist without a prescription. Over-the-counter drugs are not available on store shelves alongside other drugs that are not regulated; they are literally handed to the customer by the pharmacist after the pharmacist speaks with the customer, determines the need for the drug and offers advice and education on the use of the drug. Some states do not allow pharmacists to sell schedule V drugs without a prescription but some still do. Officially, the states where Codeine cough syrup can be purchased without a prescription are: Illinois, Ohio, North Carolina, Washington state and Massachusetts. The law does not require pharmacists to dispense schedule V drugs; the low merely allows the drugs to be sold in this manner. The sale of codeine cough syrup is limited to one bottle every 48 hours."
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Quoting something from google doesn't make it fact. If i'm wrong I'll admit it. You were acting like it was available on the shelves like normal cough syrup. I'm willing to bet that most drug stores don't sell it like this.
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Legally u don't have to have a script for the codeine cough syrup in Ohio. As noted in TCPO's retort, it is kept in the pharmacy not on an OTC
drug counter. Many pharmacists still like to see a valid prescription from the doctor. You have to sign a log the pharmacist keeps to prevent
abuse. Crucial here, also, is that the pharmacists don't have to sell the syrup to you if they don't want to.
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things aren't that cloudy on my end
NFL Policy and Program For Substance Abuse Appendix E (Page 32)
ABUSE OF PRESCRIPTION AND
OVER-THE-COUNTER DRUGS
Under the Policy, the abuse of prescription and over-the-counter drugs is prohibited.
Abuse of prescription drugs is defined as either:
a. the use of a prescription drug without a prescription issued to the player
by a licensed healthcare provider; or
b. the use of a prescription drug issued to the player by a licensed healthcare
provider more than thirty (30) days after the expiration date of the
prescription.
optimum word here in paragraph a is without
As I said before.....IF he had a valid prescription and it met the limitations of paragraph b then he would not be facing any discipline
But there are drugs that you can not take even with an unexpired prescription from your doctor. Doctors can prescribe you steriods, but it sure as shit doesn't matter if you have a note from your doctor saying you can take steriods, your ass is going to be suspended. Same goes for codeine. This becomes an obvious fact since his prescription DID fall into the catagory that you mentioned, his suspension was reduced.
The guy made a mistake, and now there are all these "sources" coming out of the wood works raining down hell fire on Gordon future career.
But there are drugs that you can not take even with an unexpired prescription from your doctor. Doctors can prescribe you steriods, but it sure as shit doesn't matter if you have a note from your doctor saying you can take steriods, your ass is going to be suspended. Same goes for codeine. This becomes an obvious fact since his prescription DID fall into the catagory that you mentioned, his suspension was reduced.
The guy made a mistake, and now there are all these "sources" coming out of the wood works raining down hell fire on Gordon future career.
An NFL player can take any fkcing drug if he has a legitimate medical condition and a valid rx prescribed by a dr for that condition. Lets say, for
example sake, that an NFL player has an appendix removed or a procedure to reattach ligaments to some joint. You think he is going to decline
pain meds (usually opioids) because they are banned by the NFL? Is he in violation of the leagues substance abuse policy if he takes meds for
his pain relief?. No and no Based on the language of the contract the league can't touch him as long as he possess a VALID prescription.
Case closed. BTW how would you know what "category his script fell into"? Surely you jest, Buffalo.
"da purple sizzurp" -
Codeine cough syrup is a schedule V drug by the FDA. Schedule V drugs are available OTC in Illinois, North Carolina, Ohio and Massachusetts.
It seems like I'm not the one from a hick town.
I sent an email to the Ohio Pharmacy board asking about this and will post if/when I receive a reply. I have never seen any codeine cough syrup available otc in Ohio.
I sent an email to the Ohio Pharmacy board asking about this and will post if/when I receive a reply. I have never seen any codeine cough syrup available otc in Ohio.
True enough. But it's not really OTC- it would be the same process you have to go through now to get sudafed decongestant. I'd damn well near guarantee if you walked up to the pharmacy counter and tried to get them to sell you a bottle of codeine cough syrup (terpin hydrate, or something similar)- you'd get turned away. Technically, it might still be legal, but I doubt most of the pharmacies want to go through the bother anymore.
It's sort of a damn shame- codeine is a highly effective cough suppressant, and has very low addiction potential. Oh, as I mentioned earlier, it does have significant abuse potential, mixing it with alcohol. And in that case, it could be dangerous- slamming a couple bottles of it, along with say a pint of cheap gin or whiskey could result in fatal respiratory arrest. However, the same scenario applies to those who get their hands on vicodin, percocet, or oxycontin from a pill mill.
For kicks & giggles, next time I get a prescription filled at my local Rite-Aid, I'll ask them if they still keep the narcotics log.
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wow! this has really turned into a political issue about gordonfailing a drug test.
sure, most of the old timers (and you know who you are) will always fight against anything that bides against their bringing-up-ski. thou shalt not do this or that or end up in hell with tebow kicking your face in while in purgatory.
who cares what the guy did? he could have down a bag of brown and stuck it in his arm. the real question IS whether or not the guy CAN and WILL stop his bullshit and be the player we all want him to be.
if not, sayanorra asshole. just another waste of talent.
and BTW i love the guy (not his fuckups). pull yourself together man. it's not like your a boozer or PED taker who just chimes in on the browns board. you're part of our fave team.
HA!!
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