Clowney Recently Ran Sub 4.5 40-Yard Dash

MLD Woody

@the-gipper said:

I don't know. There is a lot of sentiment to not just have the Heisman be a QB/RB award. If the guy stays healthy and has a monster season I think there would be a huge movement to have the first pure defensive player to win the award. (Woodson was a defender, but it helped him a lot that he was a very good return man.

I think Johnny Football will retrench a bit, and not be in the running, so this Clown has as good a chance as anyone.

If he gets hurt, then all bets are off.

Exactly. Clowney just plays DE. It'll be extremely hard to put up the numbers needed to compete with the QBs/HBs in the running.

I'll also root against it every step of the way for Woodson's sake. Unless it came down to Braxton and Clowney... that'd be tough.

MLD Woody

@tampadawgs said:

You are correct, there is a QB at Ohio State that I think has a great chance to win the Heisman, it is all set up for him

The schedule definitely is. I think he's one of the preseason favorites too

The Gipper

@mld-woody said:

Exactly. Clowney just plays DE. It'll be extremely hard to put up the numbers needed to compete with the QBs/HBs in the running.

I'll also root against it every step of the way for Woodson's sake. Unless it came down to Braxton and Clowney... that'd be tough.

You would root against Clowney winning the Heisman? Why? What does Woodson have to do with it? To be the only defensive player to have won it? Except, Woodson didn't really win it on the strength of his defense, but at least 50% on his return ability.

If he did not return kicks I do not believe he would have won.

I guess you just have to face it: 2 of the 3 top candidates will apparently be people you don't like. (the other being Manziel).

But, just like last year, I suggest someone will come out of the woodwork to become a top candidate.

MLD Woody

I'm not sure you can pencil in Braxton or Clowney as for sure being in the final three....

And yes, it would be so Woodson could remain the only primarily defensive player to win the Heisman.

I'm also not big on anything SEC, even though USC isn't that bad .

DieHardBrownsFan

As long as no one from Michigan wins, I'm cool.

The Gipper

@mld-woody said:
The schedule definitely is. I think he's one of the preseason favorites too

The Ohio State schedule and the Michigan schedule this year are pretty much on par:

OSU's non conference schedule:

Buffalo (MAC), home

San Diego St. (MWC) home

@ Cal Bears

Fla. A&M home

Mich. non conf. schedule:

Central Mich (MAC). home

Notre Dame, home

Akron (MAC)

@ UConn.

Ohio State's Big Ten opponents:

Wisconsin

@Northwestern

Iowa

Penn St.

@Purdue

@ Illinois

Indiana

@ Mich

Michigan's Big Ten sched:

Minnesota

@Penn St.

Indiana

@Mich State

Nebraska

@Northwestern

@Iowa

Ohio St.

My only objection about Ohio States schedule is the scheduling of FCS Florida A&M. Though Fla. A&M may be as good as any MAC school, I just don't like them scheduling FCS schools.

Both schools have their MAC opponents.

UConn and San Diego St. are programs that are about on par with each other.

Ohio St. has Cal, Mich has ND.

Ohio St. has traditionally done a rotation schedule with Pac-12 schools, though that won't be the case the following years when they do a home and home with Va. Tech. In the 2015 season they start playing Rutgers and Maryland who will be in the Big Ten. Their non conference games will be reduced from 4 to 3.

The only seeming "strength" of schedule next year that Mich has vs. OSU is that game vs. Notre Dame. Based on last season it seems that ND is a stronger opponent than Cal. But I am not sure that for the decade prior to last year that claim could be made.

The Gipper

@mld-woody said:

I'm not sure you can pencil in Braxton or Clowney as for sure being in the final three....

And yes, it would be so Woodson could remain the only primarily defensive player to win the Heisman.

I'm also not big on anything SEC, even though USC isn't that bad .

Jesus, now you have just given me motivation to root FOR Clowney. Though, since the Gamecocks are my father-in-laws favorite team (at 90 he lives just outside Columbia SC) , I might have been prone to favor him anyway. I too though would not root for an SEC team, except the Gamecocks.

The Gipper

You gotta love South Carolina's battle cry:

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MLD Woody

Well all I know is I've got a kick ass season lined up on the student section.

I'd still say OSU has an easier schedule though. If they aren't undefeated heading into the game it will be a disappointment

MLD Woody

@the-gipper said:
Jesus, now you have just given me motivation to root FOR Clowney. Though, since the Gamecocks are my father-in-laws favorite team (at 90 he lives just outside Columbia SC) , I might have been prone to favor him anyway. I too though would not root for an SEC team, except the Gamecocks.

Because OSU fans totally wouldn't root against someone that might win their second Heisman....

tampadawgs

I really think Ohio State is set up to take the National title and the Heisman this year. Miller is the real deal, now I do not know what he would do in the NFL. More than likely nothing, but you never know. As for the team up North, I hope they lose every game, but when bowl games come I hope they kick the shit out of a SEC team

The Gipper

@mld-woody said:

Well all I know is I've got a kick ass season lined up on the student section.

I'd still say OSU has an easier schedule though. If they aren't undefeated heading into the game it will be a disappointment

There are two things that might point to that:

A. Notre Dame should probably be ranked ahead of Cal.

B. Fla. A&M is a FCS school. Though, like I said, in a head to head game with Buffalo/Cent. Mich/Akron Florida A&M could likely even be favored.

miktoxic

what i've seen of the 'spring football' games and the 'white vs. red' games there was only one player that stood out to me and he was sammy watkins WR out of clemson.

being bored out of my mind with no projects started i watched a little of this game. the commentators were just sucking this dude's dick all game long and said that when tim brown had seen him play that he wanted to go down on the sidelines and give him his own heisman that he had won.

i guess he's also got the ? of injury.

the thing about clowney is, sure he has to be there this year, but suiting up in some adidas or nike sweatsuit and watching on the sidelines is a lot different than suiting up in pads and sticking your neck out when a 250 lb FB or TE is coming across a blindsides you with a legal block and your career is over.

but then the question comes in "well, hey that's not fair to the fans! we want to see the best players play, blah, blah, blah".

if i were a GM and the guy sat out and you couldn't see whether he is progressing in his football accumen, i wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole.

maybe a twenty foot pole, though.

Shep

It would be a crying shame if Clowney isn't a 4-3 DE in the NFL. I just don't see him in a 3-4. He'd lose money.

Zombo

Seems more like a 3-4 pass rusher to me.

Z

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@the-gipper said:

There are two things that might point to that:

A. Notre Dame should probably be ranked ahead of Cal.

B. Fla. A&M is a FCS school. Though, like I said, in a head to head game with Buffalo/Cent. Mich/Akron Florida A&M could likely even be favored.

I don't know who would favor them. They went 4-7 last season and lost to some pretty bad teams.

The teams they played strong were weak teams, like SC State and NC Central and barely bested them.

I think you're giving them way too much credit. If Michigan were playing them next season, you'd be talking about how crappy of a team they are.

The worst part of this whole thing? I'm a Buckeye fan.

MLD Woody

Starting next year (or year after, I forgot) B1G schools won't be allowed to schedule FCS schools

Harry Buffalo

@miktoxic said:

i thought he had some sort of degenerate neck or spine issue?

all i know is the scouts who have somehow talked to him said do not even play a down this year in college, sit it out for whatever reason (prob health) and he'd be guaranteed #1 pick.

everyone that knows calls me a downer and a pessimist. these kids that do great in college are not guaranteed to do great in the NFL and one great hit does not make a great college career.

either way we will be rolling the dice once again. but i really doubt that we'll be drafting DE with our first pick next year with what we did in FA this year and with sheard and mingo set to rock.

With a freak like Clowney, and with how much our FO loves to draft pass rushers, it would happen. Having said that we could also get a kings ransom for trading the if we unfortunatly had it.

Shep

Really? You think he's an OLB? Seems like a DE to me.

Zombo said:
Seems more like a 3-4 pass rusher to me.

Z

Shep

Man, we have too many OLBs (pass rushers) as it is. I can't predict Clowney to the Brownies. If Weeden works out (please!), I could see a TE, corner, guard, or ILB. No top 10 needs there so if we do end up drafting 9th or something, we could trade down.