Playoff Predictions
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Offense, particularly offense with a great QB, is the central theme to building a winning football team.
I don't care how great teh defense is, if the O goes 3 and out, 3 and out, 3 and out all day long, the defense will tire, falter and get whipped. Without ofense, the defense not only tires, but lacks the belief in winning that causes men to play with emotion and adrenaline.
Furthermore, a defense that has to lay too many downs is a defense that is injury prone and that wears out orribly by the last 1/3 of the season.
Defense as always depended on a strong offense to win year after year. The Ravens won in spite of Dilfer, BUT, the NY Giants were a weak, weak opponent.
Dumb teams draft multi-situational payers, and as history shows, the Kordell Stewart/RG3 experiments never work. Mingo is a hybrid player. Ooooh, Oooooh , Oooooh, I can hear your excitement now, "Oh he can play OLB or DE, he is like Kearse.............. ah, no, he isn't. He is too lanky for OLB and too small for DE. He fits neither mold and will excell at neither. Like Cribbs...... another waste of space, on a weak team like the Browns, he will make some plays, get the fans emotional,, BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT, like Joe Thomas.............. another waste of space............. will do jack-fugging-nothing to win ball games.
Bottom line? The Browns don't have enough big league skill at positions that touch the ball and make a difference. Just like Jim Brown was shut down in so many title attempts, it is easy to shut down Richardso because of our one dimensional offense.
Be realistic. No QB, no deep threats, and no running game support. Our Dwill be improved, but it will tire, wear out, hav more injuries than other defenses and do absolutely nothing to win games in the long run of teh season.
Add to this that the NFL is pressuring the Haslam ownership to sell, to avoid an NFL scandal, and again you have a season over before it has started.
The Browns will go 3-13 +/- 1 win. That's it. Done. fini.
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Offense, particularly offense with a great QB, is the central theme to building a winning football team.
I don't care how great teh defense is, if the O goes 3 and out, 3 and out, 3 and out all day long, the defense will tire, falter and get whipped. Without ofense, the defense not only tires, but lacks the belief in winning that causes men to play with emotion and adrenaline.
Furthermore, a defense that has to lay too many downs is a defense that is injury prone and that wears out orribly by the last 1/3 of the season.
Defense as always depended on a strong offense to win year after year. The Ravens won in spite of Dilfer, BUT, the NY Giants were a weak, weak opponent.
Dumb teams draft multi-situational payers, and as history shows, the Kordell Stewart/RG3 experiments never work. Mingo is a hybrid player. Ooooh, Oooooh , Oooooh, I can hear your excitement now, "Oh he can play OLB or DE, he is like Kearse.............. ah, no, he isn't. He is too lanky for OLB and too small for DE. He fits neither mold and will excell at neither. Like Cribbs...... another waste of space, on a weak team like the Browns, he will make some plays, get the fans emotional,, BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT, like Joe Thomas.............. another waste of space............. will do jack-fugging-nothing to win ball games.
Bottom line? The Browns don't have enough big league skill at positions that touch the ball and make a difference. Just like Jim Brown was shut down in so many title attempts, it is easy to shut down Richardso because of our one dimensional offense.
Be realistic. No QB, no deep threats, and no running game support. Our Dwill be improved, but it will tire, wear out, hav more injuries than other defenses and do absolutely nothing to win games in the long run of teh season.
Add to this that the NFL is pressuring the Haslam ownership to sell, to avoid an NFL scandal, and again you have a season over before it has started.
The Browns will go 3-13 +/- 1 win. That's it. Done. fini.
Offense, particularly offense with a great QB, is the central theme to building a winning football team.
I don't care how great teh defense is, if the O goes 3 and out, 3 and out, 3 and out all day long, the defense will tire, falter and get whipped. Without ofense, the defense not only tires, but lacks the belief in winning that causes men to play with emotion and adrenaline.
Furthermore, a defense that has to lay too many downs is a defense that is injury prone and that wears out orribly by the last 1/3 of the season.
Defense as always depended on a strong offense to win year after year. The Ravens won in spite of Dilfer, BUT, the NY Giants were a weak, weak opponent.
Dumb teams draft multi-situational payers, and as history shows, the Kordell Stewart/RG3 experiments never work. Mingo is a hybrid player. Ooooh, Oooooh , Oooooh, I can hear your excitement now, "Oh he can play OLB or DE, he is like Kearse.............. ah, no, he isn't. He is too lanky for OLB and too small for DE. He fits neither mold and will excell at neither. Like Cribbs...... another waste of space, on a weak team like the Browns, he will make some plays, get the fans emotional,, BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT, like Joe Thomas.............. another waste of space............. will do jack-fugging-nothing to win ball games.
Bottom line? The Browns don't have enough big league skill at positions that touch the ball and make a difference. Just like Jim Brown was shut down in so many title attempts, it is easy to shut down Richardso because of our one dimensional offense.
Be realistic. No QB, no deep threats, and no running game support. Our Dwill be improved, but it will tire, wear out, hav more injuries than other defenses and do absolutely nothing to win games in the long run of teh season.
Add to this that the NFL is pressuring the Haslam ownership to sell, to avoid an NFL scandal, and again you have a season over before it has started.
The Browns will go 3-13 +/- 1 win. That's it. Done. fini.
So, Ghoolie, are you saying that you have no faith in our particular skill players?
What is it about Weeden you don't like? He has the strongest arm of any Browns QB probably since Vinny Testaverde.
And Richardson? He gained 950 yards even though he missed some games and played the rest with bad shoulders/Knees/feet.
What about Gordon and Little? And Travis Benjamin and Davon Bess.
What about the TE situation?
What moves could the Browns have made at the skill positions that you would have like to see?
And I certainly don't think that you can't see the Chud/Norv offensive system as a vast improvement over what Shurmur/Holmgren brought us.
As for the defense....you DO still have to stop the other team.
But, do you think the Browns should have done nothing there to improve their talent there? Would you have still liked to have Juqua Parker/Kaluka Maiava/Usama Young over what we have now?
You can talk all you want about how important the skill players are, and they are. But it is still a 22 man game.
A guy can have a perfect working heart, a perfect working brain, perfect working lungs, perfect working liver...but, if he gets cancer in his pancreas...he is a dead motherfucker.
Just think of the Left Tackle as the pancreas of a football team. You need a good working one, for without it, you are a dead motherfucking offense. (picture Samuel Jackson saying these last two line).
Nice to see you back.
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Offense, particularly offense with a great QB, is the central theme to building a winning football team.
I don't care how great teh defense is, if the O goes 3 and out, 3 and out, 3 and out all day long, the defense will tire, falter and get whipped. Without ofense, the defense not only tires, but lacks the belief in winning that causes men to play with emotion and adrenaline.
Furthermore, a defense that has to lay too many downs is a defense that is injury prone and that wears out orribly by the last 1/3 of the season.
Defense as always depended on a strong offense to win year after year. The Ravens won in spite of Dilfer, BUT, the NY Giants were a weak, weak opponent.
Dumb teams draft multi-situational payers, and as history shows, the Kordell Stewart/RG3 experiments never work. Mingo is a hybrid player. Ooooh, Oooooh , Oooooh, I can hear your excitement now, "Oh he can play OLB or DE, he is like Kearse.............. ah, no, he isn't. He is too lanky for OLB and too small for DE. He fits neither mold and will excell at neither. Like Cribbs...... another waste of space, on a weak team like the Browns, he will make some plays, get the fans emotional,, BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT, like Joe Thomas.............. another waste of space............. will do jack-fugging-nothing to win ball games.
Bottom line? The Browns don't have enough big league skill at positions that touch the ball and make a difference. Just like Jim Brown was shut down in so many title attempts, it is easy to shut down Richardso because of our one dimensional offense.
Be realistic. No QB, no deep threats, and no running game support. Our Dwill be improved, but it will tire, wear out, hav more injuries than other defenses and do absolutely nothing to win games in the long run of teh season.
Add to this that the NFL is pressuring the Haslam ownership to sell, to avoid an NFL scandal, and again you have a season over before it has started.
The Browns will go 3-13 +/- 1 win. That's it. Done. fini.
Offense, particularly offense with a great QB, is the central theme to building a winning football team.
I don't care how great teh defense is, if the O goes 3 and out, 3 and out, 3 and out all day long, the defense will tire, falter and get whipped. Without ofense, the defense not only tires, but lacks the belief in winning that causes men to play with emotion and adrenaline.
Furthermore, a defense that has to lay too many downs is a defense that is injury prone and that wears out orribly by the last 1/3 of the season.
Defense as always depended on a strong offense to win year after year. The Ravens won in spite of Dilfer, BUT, the NY Giants were a weak, weak opponent.
Dumb teams draft multi-situational payers, and as history shows, the Kordell Stewart/RG3 experiments never work. Mingo is a hybrid player. Ooooh, Oooooh , Oooooh, I can hear your excitement now, "Oh he can play OLB or DE, he is like Kearse.............. ah, no, he isn't. He is too lanky for OLB and too small for DE. He fits neither mold and will excell at neither. Like Cribbs...... another waste of space, on a weak team like the Browns, he will make some plays, get the fans emotional,, BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT, like Joe Thomas.............. another waste of space............. will do jack-fugging-nothing to win ball games.
Bottom line? The Browns don't have enough big league skill at positions that touch the ball and make a difference. Just like Jim Brown was shut down in so many title attempts, it is easy to shut down Richardso because of our one dimensional offense.
Be realistic. No QB, no deep threats, and no running game support. Our Dwill be improved, but it will tire, wear out, hav more injuries than other defenses and do absolutely nothing to win games in the long run of teh season.
Add to this that the NFL is pressuring the Haslam ownership to sell, to avoid an NFL scandal, and again you have a season over before it has started.
The Browns will go 3-13 +/- 1 win. That's it. Done. fini.
I for one am a fan of Goolie he speaks what is on his mind!!!! Love it, Goolie make sure You do not talk about anything but Browns SHHHHH anyways...
As much as I respect what you are saying I do disagree a little bit, but also know that Browns Fans have blinders on all the time.
On our players
I like Weeden- Better than any QB we have had in 10years, but does not mean he will be could he is a "If" player If Weeden cuts donw is INT and adjusts to Chud/Turner Offense
TRich- Love him, again another If player "If he can stay on the field, and If he can lift his head up"
Our offense is alot of "Ifs" now we all think they will be good, but they have not proved anything yet!!!!!
Our Defense is were I disagree with Goolie, We were pretty good last yr and only got better this year, as for Mingo he does not even start which is great!!!! He could be like Smith for the 49ers coming in on passing downs!!!!!
Browns will win 6 +/- 1 game, would I be shocked if they made the playoffs YES, Every year I hear the same shit about Pittsburgh and every year they find a way to make the playoffs, Balt who knows they lost ALOT OF PLAYERS, Cincy is more than likely the best team in the AFC North
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Zombo said:
You spelled Emperor wrong.
Zombo
Actualy, I didn't. If you read my first post I acknowledged Emperor, I chose teh ethnic speling on purpose.
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Zombo said:
You spelled Emperor wrong.
Zombo
Actualy, I didn't. If you read my first post I acknowledged Emperor, I chose teh ethnic speling on purpose.
Actualy, I didn't. If you read my first post I acknowledged Emperor, I chose teh ethnic speling on purpose.
oh boy.
tis teh doi of teh holadae seezon!
(this is not happening right? it's just a bad dream?)
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Offense, particularly offense with a great QB, is the central theme to building a winning football team.
I don't care how great teh defense is, if the O goes 3 and out, 3 and out, 3 and out all day long, the defense will tire, falter and get whipped. Without ofense, the defense not only tires, but lacks the belief in winning that causes men to play with emotion and adrenaline.
Furthermore, a defense that has to lay too many downs is a defense that is injury prone and that wears out orribly by the last 1/3 of the season.
Defense as always depended on a strong offense to win year after year. The Ravens won in spite of Dilfer, BUT, the NY Giants were a weak, weak opponent.
Dumb teams draft multi-situational payers, and as history shows, the Kordell Stewart/RG3 experiments never work. Mingo is a hybrid player. Ooooh, Oooooh , Oooooh, I can hear your excitement now, "Oh he can play OLB or DE, he is like Kearse.............. ah, no, he isn't. He is too lanky for OLB and too small for DE. He fits neither mold and will excell at neither. Like Cribbs...... another waste of space, on a weak team like the Browns, he will make some plays, get the fans emotional,, BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT, like Joe Thomas.............. another waste of space............. will do jack-fugging-nothing to win ball games.
Bottom line? The Browns don't have enough big league skill at positions that touch the ball and make a difference. Just like Jim Brown was shut down in so many title attempts, it is easy to shut down Richardso because of our one dimensional offense.
Be realistic. No QB, no deep threats, and no running game support. Our Dwill be improved, but it will tire, wear out, hav more injuries than other defenses and do absolutely nothing to win games in the long run of teh season.
Add to this that the NFL is pressuring the Haslam ownership to sell, to avoid an NFL scandal, and again you have a season over before it has started.
The Browns will go 3-13 +/- 1 win. That's it. Done. fini.
I for one am a fan of Goolie he speaks what is on his mind!!!! Love it, Goolie make sure You do not talk about anything but Browns SHHHHH anyways...
As much as I respect what you are saying I do disagree a little bit, but also know that Browns Fans have blinders on all the time.
On our players
I like Weeden- Better than any QB we have had in 10years, but does not mean he will be could he is a "If" player If Weeden cuts donw is INT and adjusts to Chud/Turner Offense
TRich- Love him, again another If player "If he can stay on the field, and If he can lift his head up"
Our offense is alot of "Ifs" now we all think they will be good, but they have not proved anything yet!!!!!
Our Defense is were I disagree with Goolie, We were pretty good last yr and only got better this year, as for Mingo he does not even start which is great!!!! He could be like Smith for the 49ers coming in on passing downs!!!!!
Browns will win 6 +/- 1 game, would I be shocked if they made the playoffs YES, Every year I hear the same shit about Pittsburgh and every year they find a way to make the playoffs, Balt who knows they lost ALOT OF PLAYERS, Cincy is more than likely the best team in the AFC North
I for one am a fan of Goolie he speaks what is on his mind!!!! Love it, Goolie make sure You do not talk about anything but Browns SHHHHH anyways...
As much as I respect what you are saying I do disagree a little bit, but also know that Browns Fans have blinders on all the time.
On our players
I like Weeden- Better than any QB we have had in 10years, but does not mean he will be could he is a "If" player If Weeden cuts donw is INT and adjusts to Chud/Turner Offense
TRich- Love him, again another If player "If he can stay on the field, and If he can lift his head up"
Our offense is alot of "Ifs" now we all think they will be good, but they have not proved anything yet!!!!!
Our Defense is were I disagree with Goolie, We were pretty good last yr and only got better this year, as for Mingo he does not even start which is great!!!! He could be like Smith for the 49ers coming in on passing downs!!!!!
Browns will win 6 +/- 1 game, would I be shocked if they made the playoffs YES, Every year I hear the same shit about Pittsburgh and every year they find a way to make the playoffs, Balt who knows they lost ALOT OF PLAYERS, Cincy is more than likely the best team in the AFC North
I am willing to bet $500 per game based on 4- 12 +/- one win.
The defense will indeed be improved, but without offense, the D will tire and as the year goes on get tired, injured and then demoralized. Weeden stinks. He isn't average, he outright stinks. There is no team identity with him, He isn't a gun slinger, he isn't a bad boy, he isn't a threat. None of our WR are threats.
People think our offense sucked because of play calling. I got news for you........... ALL 32 NFL teams have the same forking plays. Football is a simple game, it is about pressure. Our opponents pressure everything within 10 -12 yards of the line of scrimmage, We have nobody to threaten deep, so teh pressure they put on our O even shuts down Richardson.
ALl this bullshit about offensive linemen is ALSO horse shit. What makes an OL great is a casr of skilled players that cause te defense to have too many things to worry about. It gives the OL an edge and they can pummel the opposing D. HOWEVER........... when the opposing D doens't bite on anything, and stays home at theline?
Dude, you could take the ten greatest offensive linemen of all time and put them in their prime, on our OL. The offense would suck just as bad. Why? Because NO FIVE MEN CNA BLOCK OUT 8 or NINE men. Never have, never will.
We should have traded Joe Thomas and brought in some kind of WR who can threaten deep. WTF has Joe Thomas done for the Browns? Talk about a wasted draft pic and a waste of money.
Sorry bro, I look at this team and see an offense as blah as blah can be. Thre is no way they win 5 games.
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Mark Schlereth of ESPN, who I do like has made his playoff predictions for the coming season, and this is how he sees it:
AFC, IN:
Broncos
Patriots
Texans
Bengals
Steelers
Dolphins
NFC, In:
Falcons
49ers
Seahawks
Packers
Redskins
Saints
Now, this prediction flies in the face of recent history....except last year. For like 15 consecutive years at least 5 teams from the previous years playoff teams failed to make it back the following year. Last year was the first time in that time that less than 5 failed to make it. Only 3 made.
Schlereth has only 3 of last year's playoff team not making it again: Ravens, Colts, Vikings. To be replaced by Steelers, Dolphins, Saints.
Anyone agree with Schlereth on who gets in? If not....give your playoff teams.
Mark Schlereth of ESPN, who I do like has made his playoff predictions for the coming season, and this is how he sees it:
AFC, IN:
Broncos
well you better knock them down a notch or two with von miller's upcoming suspension.
could just be a wild card berth.
and BTW fuck john elway, the broncos and their holy 'air'. (believe me, did AIT at lowry AFB in aurora in the early eighties......i ran faster times in our PT tests then i had in missouri, kentucky and germany).
sorta like smokin one of them 'vapor' cigarettes.
w/o miller they go from a 11 and 5 team to a 9 and 7.
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Sorry bro, I look at this team and see an offense as blah as blah can be. Thre is no way they win 5 games
I'll bet you a nickel ($500) the Browns win at least five games
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I'm actually been smoking the 'vapor' e-cigs for two weeks and two days now... haven't really thought of smoking a real one yet- but, a couple times I almost tried to light the e-cig with a lighter! haha!
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I bet $900 they win at least 9 games!
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
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Zombo said:
You spelled Emperor wrong.
Zombo
Actualy, I didn't. If you read my first post I acknowledged Emperor, I chose teh ethnic speling on purpose.
Actualy, I didn't. If you read my first post I acknowledged Emperor, I chose teh ethnic speling on purpose.
So, you spelled it wrong, realized it during your first post, didn't know how to change it, so spelled it right in the post, then decided to refer to it as the "ethnic" spelling.
Oh well, you'll be entertaining until Hoorta's had enough of you.
Zombo
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Mark Schlereth of ESPN, who I do like has made his playoff predictions for the coming season, and this is how he sees it:
AFC, IN:
Broncos
well you better knock them down a notch or two with von miller's upcoming suspension.
could just be a wild card berth.
and BTW fuck john elway, the broncos and their holy 'air'. (believe me, did AIT at lowry AFB in aurora in the early eighties......i ran faster times in our PT tests then i had in missouri, kentucky and germany).
sorta like smokin one of them 'vapor' cigarettes.
w/o miller they go from a 11 and 5 team to a 9 and 7.
well you better knock them down a notch or two with von miller's upcoming suspension.
could just be a wild card berth.
and BTW fuck john elway, the broncos and their holy 'air'. (believe me, did AIT at lowry AFB in aurora in the early eighties......i ran faster times in our PT tests then i had in missouri, kentucky and germany).
sorta like smokin one of them 'vapor' cigarettes.
w/o miller they go from a 11 and 5 team to a 9 and 7.
Assuming Miller misses the first 4 games, their schedule is Ravens (H), Giants (A), Raiders(H), Eagles (H). The Donkeys could easily go 3-1 in that stretch, even without Miller.
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I for one am a fan of Goolie he speaks what is on his mind!!!! Love it, Goolie make sure You do not talk about anything but Browns SHHHHH anyways...
As much as I respect what you are saying I do disagree a little bit, but also know that Browns Fans have blinders on all the time.
On our players
I like Weeden- Better than any QB we have had in 10years, but does not mean he will be could he is a "If" player If Weeden cuts donw is INT and adjusts to Chud/Turner Offense
TRich- Love him, again another If player "If he can stay on the field, and If he can lift his head up"
Our offense is alot of "Ifs" now we all think they will be good, but they have not proved anything yet!!!!!
Our Defense is were I disagree with Goolie, We were pretty good last yr and only got better this year, as for Mingo he does not even start which is great!!!! He could be like Smith for the 49ers coming in on passing downs!!!!!
Browns will win 6 +/- 1 game, would I be shocked if they made the playoffs YES, Every year I hear the same shit about Pittsburgh and every year they find a way to make the playoffs, Balt who knows they lost ALOT OF PLAYERS, Cincy is more than likely the best team in the AFC North
I am willing to bet $500 per game based on 4- 12 +/- one win.
The defense will indeed be improved, but without offense, the D will tire and as the year goes on get tired, injured and then demoralized. Weeden stinks. He isn't average, he outright stinks. There is no team identity with him, He isn't a gun slinger, he isn't a bad boy, he isn't a threat. None of our WR are threats.
People think our offense sucked because of play calling. I got news for you........... ALL 32 NFL teams have the same forking plays. Football is a simple game, it is about pressure. Our opponents pressure everything within 10 -12 yards of the line of scrimmage, We have nobody to threaten deep, so teh pressure they put on our O even shuts down Richardson.
ALl this bullshit about offensive linemen is ALSO horse shit. What makes an OL great is a casr of skilled players that cause te defense to have too many things to worry about. It gives the OL an edge and they can pummel the opposing D. HOWEVER........... when the opposing D doens't bite on anything, and stays home at theline?
Dude, you could take the ten greatest offensive linemen of all time and put them in their prime, on our OL. The offense would suck just as bad. Why? Because NO FIVE MEN CNA BLOCK OUT 8 or NINE men. Never have, never will.
We should have traded Joe Thomas and brought in some kind of WR who can threaten deep. WTF has Joe Thomas done for the Browns? Talk about a wasted draft pic and a waste of money.
Sorry bro, I look at this team and see an offense as blah as blah can be. Thre is no way they win 5 games.
I am willing to bet $500 per game based on 4- 12 +/- one win.
The defense will indeed be improved, but without offense, the D will tire and as the year goes on get tired, injured and then demoralized. Weeden stinks. He isn't average, he outright stinks. There is no team identity with him, He isn't a gun slinger, he isn't a bad boy, he isn't a threat. None of our WR are threats.
People think our offense sucked because of play calling. I got news for you........... ALL 32 NFL teams have the same forking plays. Football is a simple game, it is about pressure. Our opponents pressure everything within 10 -12 yards of the line of scrimmage, We have nobody to threaten deep, so teh pressure they put on our O even shuts down Richardson.
ALl this bullshit about offensive linemen is ALSO horse shit. What makes an OL great is a casr of skilled players that cause te defense to have too many things to worry about. It gives the OL an edge and they can pummel the opposing D. HOWEVER........... when the opposing D doens't bite on anything, and stays home at theline?
Dude, you could take the ten greatest offensive linemen of all time and put them in their prime, on our OL. The offense would suck just as bad. Why? Because NO FIVE MEN CNA BLOCK OUT 8 or NINE men. Never have, never will.
We should have traded Joe Thomas and brought in some kind of WR who can threaten deep. WTF has Joe Thomas done for the Browns? Talk about a wasted draft pic and a waste of money.
Sorry bro, I look at this team and see an offense as blah as blah can be. Thre is no way they win 5 games.
Ghoolie. I have to wonder if you are even watching what is going on with this team. Your whole mantra is "get guys that can threaten deep". Well, we have one of the fastest men in the NFL in Travis Benjamin...who can flat out burn deep. And did you see what Gordon did going deep last year? On numerous occasion he was burn baby burn.
Have you noticed that the Browns hired a new head coach, and a new offensive coordinator whose philosophies are: "Challenge deep". Have you noticed that they are very happy with the big armed QB we have....who primarily likes to challenge deep?
Have they done enough to this point to strike ultimate fear in the hearts of the opponents. No, not quite. But then we had rookie, rookie, rookie, 2d year guy, rookie. And those rookies were playing in the Shurmur "three passing yards and a cloud of dust" offense.
Why don't you take a wait and see attitude toward this team, with its new coaching staff and it new philosophy.
Or, are you stuck in a time warp and just want to complain about last year? If so, maybe your time out wasn't enough. Maybe you should wait until the middle of the season and by then Rip Van Winkle you will have woken up. A Revolution has occurred while you were asleep.
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Actualy, I didn't. If you read my first post I acknowledged Emperor, I chose teh ethnic speling on purpose.
So, you spelled it wrong, realized it during your first post, didn't know how to change it, so spelled it right in the post, then decided to refer to it as the "ethnic" spelling.
Oh well, you'll be entertaining until Hoorta's had enough of you.
Zombo
Zombo said:
So, you spelled it wrong, realized it during your first post, didn't know how to change it, so spelled it right in the post, then decided to refer to it as the "ethnic" spelling.
Oh well, you'll be entertaining until Hoorta's had enough of you.
Zombo
It wasn't so much that I had enough of Ghoolie- I think just about everyone did. Hey- if you need a break from the Board Mr. Tom, just take a break, no need to get everyone POed in the process.
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Offense, particularly offense with a great QB, is the central theme to building a winning football team.
I don't care how great teh defense is, if the O goes 3 and out, 3 and out, 3 and out all day long, the defense will tire, falter and get whipped. Without ofense, the defense not only tires, but lacks the belief in winning that causes men to play with emotion and adrenaline.
Furthermore, a defense that has to lay too many downs is a defense that is injury prone and that wears out orribly by the last 1/3 of the season.
Defense as always depended on a strong offense to win year after year. The Ravens won in spite of Dilfer, BUT, the NY Giants were a weak, weak opponent.
Dumb teams draft multi-situational payers, and as history shows, the Kordell Stewart/RG3 experiments never work. Mingo is a hybrid player. Ooooh, Oooooh , Oooooh, I can hear your excitement now, "Oh he can play OLB or DE, he is like Kearse.............. ah, no, he isn't. He is too lanky for OLB and too small for DE. He fits neither mold and will excell at neither. Like Cribbs...... another waste of space, on a weak team like the Browns, he will make some plays, get the fans emotional,, BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT, like Joe Thomas.............. another waste of space............. will do jack-fugging-nothing to win ball games.
Bottom line? The Browns don't have enough big league skill at positions that touch the ball and make a difference. Just like Jim Brown was shut down in so many title attempts, it is easy to shut down Richardso because of our one dimensional offense.
Be realistic. No QB, no deep threats, and no running game support. Our Dwill be improved, but it will tire, wear out, hav more injuries than other defenses and do absolutely nothing to win games in the long run of teh season.
Add to this that the NFL is pressuring the Haslam ownership to sell, to avoid an NFL scandal, and again you have a season over before it has started.
The Browns will go 3-13 +/- 1 win. That's it. Done. fini.
So, Ghoolie, are you saying that you have no faith in our particular skill players?
What is it about Weeden you don't like? He has the strongest arm of any Browns QB probably since Vinny Testaverde.
And Richardson? He gained 950 yards even though he missed some games and played the rest with bad shoulders/Knees/feet.
What about Gordon and Little? And Travis Benjamin and Davon Bess.
What about the TE situation?
What moves could the Browns have made at the skill positions that you would have like to see?
And I certainly don't think that you can't see the Chud/Norv offensive system as a vast improvement over what Shurmur/Holmgren brought us.
As for the defense....you DO still have to stop the other team.
But, do you think the Browns should have done nothing there to improve their talent there? Would you have still liked to have Juqua Parker/Kaluka Maiava/Usama Young over what we have now?
You can talk all you want about how important the skill players are, and they are. But it is still a 22 man game.
A guy can have a perfect working heart, a perfect working brain, perfect working lungs, perfect working liver...but, if he gets cancer in his pancreas...he is a dead motherfucker.
Just think of the Left Tackle as the pancreas of a football team. You need a good working one, for without it, you are a dead motherfucking offense. (picture Samuel Jackson saying these last two line).
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<<So, Ghoolie, are you saying that you have no faith in our particular skill players? <<
I am saying we don't have any skilled players that make defenses adjust and worry about. I am saying our skilled players allow opponents to pretty much play in a 10 -15 yard ball field. That tires the OL, disrupts emotions and rhythm.
<<What is it about Weeden you don't like?>>
He is filler. No defense fears him and when he comes on the field, most people fat, yawn, or take the opportunity to go get a beer.
<<He has the strongest arm of any Browns QB probably since Vinny Testaverde.>>
Good for overthrowing recievers I suppose. But he doens't exactly carve anyone up, does he?
<<And Richardson? He gained 950 yards even though he missed some games and played the rest with bad shoulders/Knees/feet.>>
Before I got booted for making Kosar a laughing stock for getting brain treatment at a detox center, I made many posts about Richardson, and I like him. But as I said, without any othr threats, defenses will continue to pound him. He is not a guy designed to run like Pete Johnson or Kevin Mack. He is fast, and shifty, but he doesn't get holes that often to use his moves. This is NOT an OL problem. It is a skilled position problem. We don't force the opposing DO to account for a lot of options, just like the Browns could never get a lot f success with JB against teh Bears, Packers and Giants in those days.
Also, with all due respect, you are excited about RIchardson's upside. I can see teh gears turning in your mind. YOu contemplate things like a new OC, new O, more experience, and a healthy Trent = more wins.
Here is how I look at it, and I believe my view is more realistic. ALl offenses have teh same basic playbook, now, having the balls to call play action passes on second and 2 surely is better than the sissies who play for the first, but save making som more gutsy calls, and we don't even know if that will happen, the offense is going to look pretty much as it did in 2012-13. Weeden will still have to get rid of the ball too many times, sooner than he wants to.
Which brings us to Richardson. He isn't going to ay 16 games this year, he simply can't. You and I get an injury and we go back to our job in the condom factory like it's no big deal. But if you haven't noticed, skill players don't heal that well these days. Gone are the steroid days, now players can take teh testosterone DIRECT. They are big and fast beyond belief. Richardson will again be pounded at the line. I would probably be willing to make a reasonable bet that he doesn't eclipse 950 this year, and i would not be surprise to see him hurt early. We will see.
Our players are blah.
<What about Gordon and Little? And Travis Benjamin and Davon Bess.>
All good solid second or third WRs on a playof caliber team.
<What about the TE situation?>
LOL. Yeah, give me a great Tight End and Joe Thomas and I am on my way to the Lombardi, yes? No TE is carrying anyone, anywhere, Again, if we had two WRs that needed double coverage, then things loosen up for the RBs and TEs, but we aren't going to pressure any D with a TE,
<<What moves could the Browns have made at the skill positions that you would have like to see?>>
OVer this past year?
You aren't going to like this, but here goes. I would have traded down our 6th pick and traded Joe Thomas for a late first round or ealr second round pick. I would have drafted Tavon Austin and Deandre Hopklins. I would have packaged whoever I had to, to also add Eddie Lacy.
Along the way we could have sacrificed one of our WR's, even Little, to make a strong enough play for these players. The 2013 draft will feature a lot of wasted pics on non impact players. It was a unique draft in that skill player went late. Mark my words here and now......... the people who drafted all these Olaf linemen high? They wont be drafting in 2014.
We could have pulled off Hopkins, Austin and Lacy. If not Lacy, then what's his name, Zack Stacy.
Mingo strikes me as the reincarnation of Cortney Brown. DO I like the idea of getting at teh passer with MIngo nd Kruger on the corners? Sure. Getting at the QB is veryimportant, however, teams like th Steelers are going to put helmets on Mingo and run right at him. I think he was a bad pick, given teh guns we could have added.
At QB? For the short term, Tebow, Sanchez, anyone who can stir some emotion.
<<And I certainly don't think that you can't see the Chud/Norv offensive system as a vast improvement over what Shurmur/Holmgren brought us.>>
I think many of you are going to be very surprised, in a sad way to see that the offense is not going to be any better than it was, and it may even be worse. If you believe that Chud/Holmgren purposely went out to call plays that fizzled, I think you put way too much value on the playbook and play calling. Again, my friend, what makes an offens exciting, what makes an offense seeming unpredictable, is SKILL PLAYERS.
If you took a squad of high school players and had Paul Brown, Hallas, Shula and Lombardi coaching them against ME.............. but I have NFL players............... I would wipe my ass wiht Hallas, Brown, Shula and Lombardi. They would for sure be better coaches, but I could call dumb shit plays and win. I would win because my players would put too much pressure on teh high school kids, and they could not put any pressure on mine, even when I called the wrong formations.
I don't imagine I am going to be very active this time around, for you see I am a character in a Rod Serlie TV show. I love the Browns dearly, but I am incapable of enthusiasm, so I don't want to spoil it for you guys any more. I don't want to say "I told you so" either.
Now, each year since 1999 I have been brutalized for my 4 - 12 predictions, and only once, was optimistic, that being with Butch, who I liked and still do. That is another conversation altogether. Have I become too negative to see clearly, or do I actually know something about football and because of that, am able to see the big picture?
There are many guys here who know the stats, players and playbook much better than I. You included. I am not a minutiae-man, but I do see trends and I do see the big picture. Because our offensive players are so average, the advantage of commanding the little details means nothing.
Is Joe Thomas a very good LT? Sure. Has he been any more valuable to us than a 4th round schlep would have been? No, he hasnt. oN a team devoid of offensive talent, a 1st round LT was a fatal error. He sucked resources and put no points on the board. The argument of " Oh if we didn't have him, our QBs would have been killed". Ah, Yeah, so fucking what? Seriously, Weeden, McCoy? So they get clobbered? SO what? Ou can get any ass clown to play at that level.
It is like paying teh top Hollywood entrtainment security company when your band plays polkas on the weekend. Joe Thomas wasn't just a mistake on draft day. He is a travesty of funds wasted ... ESPECIALLY in a boneheaded year when nincompoops wasted big money on clumsy linemen.
You watch this Lacy kid eat our lunch.
<<As for the defense....you DO still have to stop the other team.>>
Yes, but I don't think you understand hwo defense really works. Defense is a game of attrition. Defense is played for the entire game, and the offense sets the tone for how the defense will play. Always has, always will, The Steel Curtain, the two years Bradshaw was hurt, were a shit defense. They were without emotional drive/adrenaline, and they got worn out playing too much.
Offenses that control the ball put a fresh defense on the field. Offenses that can score allow the defense to take chances, blitz, have fun.Isnt it amazng hw much better the Colts D played with Luck? Hmmm, I didn't see him making many tackles, did you?
The Browns lost the "Drive game" because Kosar and Mrty didn't go for the juggular when they had a chance, They played it safe and let the defense get tired out. That's the truth, and if you watch the replay, you will see what conservative, cowardly offense does to the defense.
You will indeed see the Browns D look better, it will be visibly better, more pressure on the QB, not much better at stopping the run. But THAT is the minutiae. The BIG PICTURE? The one I see? I see this defense playing too many downs, I see them getting tired, over worked and by gae 10, injury prone.
<<But, do you think the Browns should have done nothing there to improve their talent there? Would you have still liked to have Juqua Parker/Kaluka Maiava/Usama Young over what we have now? >>
Hopkins, Austin, Lacy. That's your answer. They would have made the jackoffs we have better. ALso, we could have replaced those jackoffs with some later round guys and take a chance. The defensive additions will make no measurable difference in teh record. The new offense will not look much different than the last years version. Oh, it will look better the first few games because like that loser Hillis, it will be new, and previously not accounted for.
I see a 4-12 team with the same problems as last year.
<<You can talk all you want about how important the skill players are, and they are. But it is still a 22 man game. >>
No, it really isn't and it never has been. That is the fallacy, It is the story that is told so that the clumsy oafs, the least talented men on the field, the OL, and then the D players, will feel important enough to do their jobs, Are they important? Of course, but are they RARE and hard to find? AH no. The last 10 SB's or more were won by teams using substitutes and walk ons becaus of OL injuries ans DL injuries during the year.
You NEVER see walk on QBs, WR and RBs 12 games into the seasn, then going on to the SB. The QB goes down? Fuck the 21 other players, they ain't winning shit. Jim Brown goes down? Fuck Hickerson, because the Browns wouldn't win shit.
Football is a 5 or 6 man game, with a shitload of sacrificial players carrying out needed, but simple tasks.
<<A guy can have a perfect working heart, a perfect working brain, perfect working lungs, perfect working liver...but, if he gets cancer in his pancreas...he is a dead motherfucker.
Just think of the Left Tackle as the pancreas of a football team. You need a good working one, for without it, you are a dead motherfucking offense.>>
Not true. A LT is important, but guys at 4th round can play just as well as Thomas. IN fact, while he is agile, Thomas is not particularly strong, and he gets his ass pancaked on a lot of running plays. LT is not a pancreas. LT is a pair of cleats. Interchangeable. If Podesta were analyzing this team he would tell you.... Joe Thomas has no points value. his points per $million is in the shitter. He should have been traded this year. THIS was the time.
4-12 will be a good year.
(picture Samuel Jackson saying these last two line).
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